Sigh. Because if you use "SSH" and just run shit willy nilly you can't easily track successes, failures, etc.. It won't automatically run on new machines in your environment. That's why things like cfengine exist, you don't manage large environments by piping lists of hosts into a multi SSH script and running shit on all your machines on a whim.
Not to say this will _never_ be done, but it's typically for one off situations. For example, if I want to just quickly install a patch on all existing machines and I know it's a one-time-only thing (maybe it's only legacy machines I'm patching) an SSH task might be fine. But not for day to day management.
The difference is in the target audience. Developers, software engineers, hardware engineers, scientists, etc... use Workstations. They typically need a shitload of memory, high performance, and germane to this conversation the users are typically technical people.
Yeah... You don't know a lot about managing Windows, do you. Or Linux for that matter, you'd using something like Cfengine to achieve this, not god damned "gsh". What is this, 1986. Jesus Christ dude.
Sorry, the simple fact is there is no need for another desktop OS. Windows and Mac are fine. I don't know why people think Linux will _ever_ make headway in that space when there's no conceivable way it ever will.
Instead, how about focusing on being a workstation OS and a server OS?
I have a Wii, and if I were to buy one now I wouldn't pay more than $149. When you compare it to the Xbox 360 Arcade at the same price, it's a no brainer for most people - get the Xbox. It offers a lot more.
The draw of the Wii was that it was cheaper than the Big 2. Now, not so much. And the novelty of the controller for the Wii wears off soon and you're left with a low powered machine that will only play dated games. No media, no Netflix streaming, none of the other fancy features of the Xbox.
[Shrug]. I guess Nintendo will find out the hard way as sales continue to slow.
So you can't wait until approximately...20never? You won't see drivers for anything like this in Linux. You'll be lucky to get decent bog standard 3D drivers.
Not needing human training to function, and functioning much better with human training are two separate things. Just like speech recognition. It will work without training, but there are still cases where it needs training.
I didn't think what I described was that crazily complex. If the camera is stationary and you line everything up on a grid line and do edge detection to find outlines of people you can probably implement something like this. I'm just pulling stuff out of my ass, though, it's certainly not my field.
My guess is it applies a few simple heuristics to analyze the behavior and the real trick is identifying the behavior.
Example: In an alley behind a hotel people frequently walk out a door, put something in a container, and walk back in. This becomes "normal". Then someone goes out back and starts smoking. Whoops, wtf is this! Alert, alert. OK, so this gets flagged as OK a few times. The system decides it's OK. However, when two people hold a third at gunpoint and linger in an area of the alley not usually used for smoking, this would now trigger as abnormal.
Another thing it might notice is the same person coming back to the front of a convenience store, waiting a minute, then leaving, then coming back again. Most people only walk in, walk out - this is abnormal.
So it won't tell you someone is burglarizing you, but it might focus your attention on a camera where something could be happening. I'd assume it would get better over time as things were flagged "ok" or "not ok", but at best it would provide some simple pre-filtering to focus human attention on scenes that are slightly more likely to be "interesting".
Maybe it's because Hyper-V isn't a mature product and VMWare is the best out there for virtualization.
You're being dishonest about your numbers anyway. For $50 million dollars, that's enough licensing to get Enterprise level support from VMWare for over 16,500 processors.
I'm not clear what's "dishonest" about completely made up numbers used by way of example. The point wasn't the literal numbers, it was just that cost is a part of the equation.
Not true. It depends on what you're doing. Running a few hundred VM's on a few racks of blade servers? Hyper-V might be completely sufficient and almost certainly much cheaper if you've got existing Win2k8 infrastructure.
Running tens of thousands of dynamically allocated, provisioned, and managed VM's on thousands of hosts across a vast enterprise? Hyper-V might not be nearly sufficient.
Based on what I read about what Nissan is doing, sounds pretty small fries. I don't know why Joe Blow, IT commentator would think he knows anything about how or why the product was selected.
His whole rant is based on the "fact" (assumed) that Hyper-V doesn't meet Nissan's needs. He has no idea what Nissan needs. He has no idea if Hyper-V does or does not meet those needs.
VMWare is indeed very mature and full of features, some of which are missing from Hyper-V. Now let's pretend we aren't snide little commentators and dig in more. What does Hyper-V have that VMWare doesn't? Like... an affordable price? Like...being built into and integrated with Windows Server 2008 very well?
Worthless article picked for SlashDot solely because the author makes nonsensical rants against a Microsoft product.
A more insightful article might have been about IT and IT pundits sometimes like to pretend _they_ are the business. Your boss will set certain parameters for you to do your job. Now sometimes they may just seem TOTALLY CRAZY, I mean like "don't spend $50 million on a virtualization solution, instead spend $10 million on this other product we've got a deal for with Microsoft to get much more cheaply". Crazy to save money though, I know. It's all about the admins and their expertise, right
Just out of curiosity, how does this tracker stop them from any of these things?
You're right, it doesn't. The problem with this whole discussion is people run it off the rails and get bogged down in side-issues and absolutism.
Some people are overprotective of their kids. This fact has led many to backlash against this, so they instantly think anything like this is mollycoddling. It's not.
Bad
Not letting your kids play at the park Keeping your kids indoors all the time for fear of "the swine flu" Going into a panic and putting your kid behind you every time a stranger approaches
Not Bad
Keeping track of where your kid is Keeping your kid home from a party where someone is known to have had the flu 2 days ago
etc..
Oooh, dramatic! I think you should come up with some hip viral video showing hordes of parents daring to keep their toddlers close to them via leashes as some sort of industrial child-rearing process much akin to the canning of milk in a large factory. That would be totally hip dude!
A toddler understands the concept of freedom about as well as a bird understands the concept of X-ray lithography. Furthermore, you seem to be obsessed around the idea of leashes as having some special meaning. Why not wax dramatic about the perils of cribs (it's a cage you monsters!)?
You're taking a pointless view on reality. A concealed weapon probably won't help you if someone decides they want to walk up and shoot you for no apparent reason. Wearing your seatbelt on a plane probably won't help you if you crash.
So what. It _might_ help you. If wearing this provides a 10% better chance of finding a missing kid, it could be worth it. Having a gun on your person could in a few limited cases save your life.
Holy fuck, you mean a Microsoft created organization is "stacked" with MS employees or partners? Say it ain't fucking so! If this isn't the biggest busted conspiracy theory since Jordan McNache discovered that Alicia Silverstein claimed she wore white panties but really wore blue panties in my 6th grade class, well I'll be a god damn monkey's uncle! A regular Oliver Stone, you are.
You people are like the Beta vs. VHS people claiming Beta was "better". In what way? In what way is Ubuntu "better" than Windows? "Different" I'll give you. Better in some dimensions, I'll even give you. Overall? In what way? Because it's "teh Unixez"?
You keep saying this in this thread and other threads. Do you have links to support that a RISC architecture (even OOO) beats the Atom in a clock for clock contest? On what workloads? SIMD workloads - I think not... Other workloads? Not sure, I can't really find any good data. On what workloads exactly is ARM faster, I'm genuinely curious for some data.
I don't know if you ever noticed it, but the web pretty much sucked dirty balls as an application platform until just a few years ago. CSS wasn't the problem or the solution. The problem was "click"...wait..."redraw".
It supports HD radio and HD video output, I'd say that's worthy of an HD in the name.
I'm not sure why you think a tiny display would look better with an HD resolution display anyway. Wow, my 3.3" screen is HD! If I scrunch my nose up to it it just looks a little bit better! Whoohoo!
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I know. I often name two files in the same path "File.xyz" and "file.XYZ". It's a mandatory requirement for me to work!
Just kidding, of course. It takes two seconds to realize a case sensitive filesystem is asinine. It should be case _preserving_ but insensitive.
You mean..."integrated graphics", "passive cooling", and "small 80G SSD drive"? Yeah, thought so.
Sigh. Because if you use "SSH" and just run shit willy nilly you can't easily track successes, failures, etc.. It won't automatically run on new machines in your environment. That's why things like cfengine exist, you don't manage large environments by piping lists of hosts into a multi SSH script and running shit on all your machines on a whim.
Not to say this will _never_ be done, but it's typically for one off situations. For example, if I want to just quickly install a patch on all existing machines and I know it's a one-time-only thing (maybe it's only legacy machines I'm patching) an SSH task might be fine. But not for day to day management.
The difference is in the target audience. Developers, software engineers, hardware engineers, scientists, etc... use Workstations. They typically need a shitload of memory, high performance, and germane to this conversation the users are typically technical people.
Nobody does that. Nobody even does that with Linux. You don't manage 10,000 machines with SSH scripts you primitive screwhead.
Yeah... You don't know a lot about managing Windows, do you. Or Linux for that matter, you'd using something like Cfengine to achieve this, not god damned "gsh". What is this, 1986. Jesus Christ dude.
It's not me. What is Linux's desktop usage percent, again? If I had a nickel for every Linux desktop user would I even be able to pay off my car loan?
Sorry, the simple fact is there is no need for another desktop OS. Windows and Mac are fine. I don't know why people think Linux will _ever_ make headway in that space when there's no conceivable way it ever will.
Instead, how about focusing on being a workstation OS and a server OS?
As opposed to the massive storage on the Wii, you're right.
As opposed to USB 3, which is...Intel's (and other consortium members) version of USB 3.
I have a Wii, and if I were to buy one now I wouldn't pay more than $149. When you compare it to the Xbox 360 Arcade at the same price, it's a no brainer for most people - get the Xbox. It offers a lot more.
The draw of the Wii was that it was cheaper than the Big 2. Now, not so much. And the novelty of the controller for the Wii wears off soon and you're left with a low powered machine that will only play dated games. No media, no Netflix streaming, none of the other fancy features of the Xbox.
[Shrug]. I guess Nintendo will find out the hard way as sales continue to slow.
So you can't wait until approximately...20never? You won't see drivers for anything like this in Linux. You'll be lucky to get decent bog standard 3D drivers.
Not needing human training to function, and functioning much better with human training are two separate things. Just like speech recognition. It will work without training, but there are still cases where it needs training.
I didn't think what I described was that crazily complex. If the camera is stationary and you line everything up on a grid line and do edge detection to find outlines of people you can probably implement something like this. I'm just pulling stuff out of my ass, though, it's certainly not my field.
My guess is it applies a few simple heuristics to analyze the behavior and the real trick is identifying the behavior.
Example: In an alley behind a hotel people frequently walk out a door, put something in a container, and walk back in. This becomes "normal". Then someone goes out back and starts smoking. Whoops, wtf is this! Alert, alert. OK, so this gets flagged as OK a few times. The system decides it's OK. However, when two people hold a third at gunpoint and linger in an area of the alley not usually used for smoking, this would now trigger as abnormal.
Another thing it might notice is the same person coming back to the front of a convenience store, waiting a minute, then leaving, then coming back again. Most people only walk in, walk out - this is abnormal.
So it won't tell you someone is burglarizing you, but it might focus your attention on a camera where something could be happening. I'd assume it would get better over time as things were flagged "ok" or "not ok", but at best it would provide some simple pre-filtering to focus human attention on scenes that are slightly more likely to be "interesting".
Maybe it's because Hyper-V isn't a mature product and VMWare is the best out there for virtualization.
You're being dishonest about your numbers anyway. For $50 million dollars, that's enough licensing to get Enterprise level support from VMWare for over 16,500 processors.
I'm not clear what's "dishonest" about completely made up numbers used by way of example. The point wasn't the literal numbers, it was just that cost is a part of the equation.
Not true. It depends on what you're doing. Running a few hundred VM's on a few racks of blade servers? Hyper-V might be completely sufficient and almost certainly much cheaper if you've got existing Win2k8 infrastructure.
Running tens of thousands of dynamically allocated, provisioned, and managed VM's on thousands of hosts across a vast enterprise? Hyper-V might not be nearly sufficient.
Based on what I read about what Nissan is doing, sounds pretty small fries. I don't know why Joe Blow, IT commentator would think he knows anything about how or why the product was selected.
His whole rant is based on the "fact" (assumed) that Hyper-V doesn't meet Nissan's needs. He has no idea what Nissan needs. He has no idea if Hyper-V does or does not meet those needs.
VMWare is indeed very mature and full of features, some of which are missing from Hyper-V. Now let's pretend we aren't snide little commentators and dig in more. What does Hyper-V have that VMWare doesn't? Like... an affordable price? Like...being built into and integrated with Windows Server 2008 very well?
Worthless article picked for SlashDot solely because the author makes nonsensical rants against a Microsoft product.
A more insightful article might have been about IT and IT pundits sometimes like to pretend _they_ are the business. Your boss will set certain parameters for you to do your job. Now sometimes they may just seem TOTALLY CRAZY, I mean like "don't spend $50 million on a virtualization solution, instead spend $10 million on this other product we've got a deal for with Microsoft to get much more cheaply". Crazy to save money though, I know. It's all about the admins and their expertise, right
Just out of curiosity, how does this tracker stop them from any of these things?
You're right, it doesn't. The problem with this whole discussion is people run it off the rails and get bogged down in side-issues and absolutism.
Some people are overprotective of their kids. This fact has led many to backlash against this, so they instantly think anything like this is mollycoddling. It's not.
Bad
Not letting your kids play at the park
Keeping your kids indoors all the time for fear of "the swine flu"
Going into a panic and putting your kid behind you every time a stranger approaches
Not Bad
Keeping track of where your kid is
Keeping your kid home from a party where someone is known to have had the flu 2 days ago
etc..
Oooh, dramatic! I think you should come up with some hip viral video showing hordes of parents daring to keep their toddlers close to them via leashes as some sort of industrial child-rearing process much akin to the canning of milk in a large factory. That would be totally hip dude!
A toddler understands the concept of freedom about as well as a bird understands the concept of X-ray lithography. Furthermore, you seem to be obsessed around the idea of leashes as having some special meaning. Why not wax dramatic about the perils of cribs (it's a cage you monsters!)?
Sorry, that really is just very very silly.
You're taking a pointless view on reality. A concealed weapon probably won't help you if someone decides they want to walk up and shoot you for no apparent reason. Wearing your seatbelt on a plane probably won't help you if you crash.
So what. It _might_ help you. If wearing this provides a 10% better chance of finding a missing kid, it could be worth it. Having a gun on your person could in a few limited cases save your life.
Yes, most of the deadliest fighters in the world come from Tom's Dojo in the strip mall next to Lucy's Famous Nails.
Holy fuck, you mean a Microsoft created organization is "stacked" with MS employees or partners? Say it ain't fucking so! If this isn't the biggest busted conspiracy theory since Jordan McNache discovered that Alicia Silverstein claimed she wore white panties but really wore blue panties in my 6th grade class, well I'll be a god damn monkey's uncle! A regular Oliver Stone, you are.
You people are like the Beta vs. VHS people claiming Beta was "better". In what way? In what way is Ubuntu "better" than Windows? "Different" I'll give you. Better in some dimensions, I'll even give you. Overall? In what way? Because it's "teh Unixez"?
You keep saying this in this thread and other threads. Do you have links to support that a RISC architecture (even OOO) beats the Atom in a clock for clock contest? On what workloads? SIMD workloads - I think not... Other workloads? Not sure, I can't really find any good data. On what workloads exactly is ARM faster, I'm genuinely curious for some data.
I don't know if you ever noticed it, but the web pretty much sucked dirty balls as an application platform until just a few years ago. CSS wasn't the problem or the solution. The problem was "click"...wait..."redraw".
It supports HD radio and HD video output, I'd say that's worthy of an HD in the name.
I'm not sure why you think a tiny display would look better with an HD resolution display anyway. Wow, my 3.3" screen is HD! If I scrunch my nose up to it it just looks a little bit better! Whoohoo!