You've precisely made my point. You aren't buying the content. You are getting limited rights to utilize it on the seller's terms. DRM enforces that, or tries to. If you don't like the terms (DRM or not) then don't buy the product.
I'm sure the content owners would be willing to give you DRM free music, but they will probably want more money to cover the cost of piracy.
The construction worker expends resources for every porch built. Thus every porch needs to be payed for. The artist does not expend resources (bandwidth notwithstanding) for every copy distributed to every fan. Thus not every copy needs to be payed for. There will be enough people who will donate*, assuming the guy is any good, to make up for the costs. An artist who's not in it for the money, but rather for the love of doing it, will not care about getting every cent that could possibly be made under RIAA-style accounting**
Not that it matters, but the studios do spend money advertising and publishing media. I say it doesn't matter because there's this thing called "opportunity cost". Let's say God comes down to earth and creates a perfect DRM model. Basically your brain refuses to distribute content you don't own. Now, how many people would buy Album X and what would they pay? The difference between that amount and the amount earned because people copy content is what DRM attempts to recoup.
The "but it costs nothing for another copy" argument is just a distraction and not a real argument.
I will agree that RIAA/BSA/etc.. style accounting is wrong. e.g. if I copy a $1000 piece of software and play with it, they didn't lose $1000 because I wouldn't have bought it anyway.
Not quite, compare our wordings very carefully. Take a really good artist. He makes art because he loves to make art. If he does not make a load of money, he will continue to make art. As long as he has enough money to live off of his art, he will keep on doing it, and he'll get better. If you love what you're doing, chances are you're good at it.
This whole line of reasoning bores me with its stupidity, frankly. You're making a value judgement on a profession and arbitrarily claiming they should have motivations you agree with or that their ability is dictated by their lack of greed. I could make the same argument for a software developer. Or a doctor. Or a lawyer. You can say the same thing about any profession. It's nonsensical. What if I have a really good voice and musical ability, I can't treat that like a profession and instead should "suffer for my art"? Laughable.
That's not really true, though. Apple has found a model that people will largely live with. Itunes is doing just fine. Personally, I won't use Itunes until Requiem works for Itunes 8. So despite being proclaimed a pro-DRM shill, I won't buy DRM that doesn't suite my needs unless I can crack it. But when I do crack it I don't share out the content. That's the difference between me a Joe Schmoe.
Again, another SlashGenius who knows more than billion dollar corporations. Maybe you should notify these corporations that DRM doesn't work, maybe they'll pay you more than they pay their Ph.D technical people or their wunderkind finance people?
What you fail to comprehend is that the goal of DRM isn't to stop all illegal copying. The goal of DRM is to prevent copying and make it difficult enough such that the cost of the DRM (in customer anger and development costs) are outweighed by the prevention of day to day routine copying by Joe Schmoe.
And don't get me wrong. I dislike bad DRM as much as the next SlashDweeb. Bad DRM is...bad. I don't buy stuff with bad DRM. The goal of the studios is to maximize customer satisfaction while protecting their content. They haven't really hit that yet, though Apple is reasonably close.
Yeah, dubbing a tape is just as effective as publishing something on a torrent site. Piracy was even rampant back then, but the need to have physical media and the fairly noticeable loss of quality was a hindrance to it really affecting the studios.
What you people fail to understand, amazingly, is that DRM doesn't have to be perfect. Even the crappy DRM on DVDs stops the majority of people from copying them.
You all remind me of the people who want laws passed for "their own good". If DRM didn't work they wouldn't use it. It's as simple as that. I guess it's easy to assume that billion dollar industries are full of dummies who don't know what "UngleLoogie" on SlashDot knows, but the odds are they have very smart people, both technical and in finance, working for them.
Well holy shit, brilliant argument. Shit, I suppose a construction worker can go build porches on people's houses for free then hope they pay him some pittance! Maybe Adobe or Apple should follow this path to riches and make all their software free with "Donate Here" buttons, I'm sure they'll recoup the cost of development.
Your repetition of Slashdot's tired propaganda and your overall indistinguishability from a puckered asshole make you a douchebag.
Seriously, did you just use the "they shouldn't be in it for the money if they're any good anyway" argument? What a jackass.
OK. Nice theory. Go rent a car and use it in a crash-up derby. Go buy a copy of Photoshop and post it up on your website for all to download. See what happens asshole.
I can see this is going to be a big long cry-fest from the anti-DRM crowd. What a wonderful world you all think you live in where you can just release digital content for all the wonderful people to share out for free and where apparently content is free to produce and content owners shouldn't worry about getting money for their work because they happen to work in a field where there's no perfect distribution model.
In my world, the real world, DRM is largely a necessary evil. People deserve to get paid for their work. Software and entertainment content requires work to create and the producers have the right to compensation. Couple that with the entitlement mentality rampant today and you'll find without DRM people will just give other people's shit away for free without a second thought, and other people will download said shit for free without a twinge of conscience.
Hell, I wish we there were no guns, no wars, no murder, no rape, etc... But here in the real world these are facts of life, just like DRM. The goal is to find a reasonable DRM model that lets people do what they want with only modest restrictions on use. If a DRM model doesn't fit that, then don't buy the product.
Raising issues about a particular DRM implementation is fine. Crying about the concept of DRM is like crying about death or taxes - i.e. pointless.
And if you think McCain meant we'd have "troops in direct conflict in Iraq for 100 years" you're a straight up moron. He was saying we'd have troops there maybe in 100 years. This is simply a fact. Inferring that the heated conflict in Iraq will go on for 100 years is stupid. So you made my point for me - thanks for that.
Let me ask you a question. How long have we had troops in Japan? How much longer do you think we will continue to have troops in Japan? I'm guessing a long time.
If you hold the "100 years" comment against McCain you are seriously lacking in critical thinking skills.
You would literally have to be an idiot to mistake e.g. Elbot for a human. In fact, no program written will even come close to fooling anyone over IQ 90 if they know they could conceivably be talking to a program.
e.g. I clicked the red button, it gave some "nobody has ever clicked me like that" crap. I asked "like what?" and it came back with some meaningless gibber jabber. Then I asked "what was your mother like" and it came back with something about its grandfather. When asked about its father (as next question) it told me about its mother. It's just retarded.
I'm not sure who they're trying to kid - nothing is even remotely close to being close to almost being anle to pass a real Turing test.
Nobody gives a shit. If you're developing for Linux, you'll develop for Linux. If you're developing for Windows, you'll develop for Windows. If you're developing for both and don't know what you're doing, tough shit.
I think it is a showstopper. MMO requires keyboard/mouse - period. Or at least, a standard console controller won't cut it.
Why do you keep posting that TIOBE link?
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It's meaningless. C# is used a lot in the enterprise application arena. I don't know why you would think "TIOBE" would have any insight into what Fortune 500 companies are developing internal automation and business software on. I get the hiring thing, but it doesn't mean a lot.
False. A lot of people propose it as some magic "something" with super-fancy-special properties. I always thought that was ridiculous, but even scientists sometimes make it out to be something like Fairy Dust.
You must not understand business. See, if my competitors are charging $8 a gallon and I know my gas costs me $0.80 a gallon, I'm not going to go "gee, I should charge my cost + 50% so I'll just charge $1.20". I'm going to go "shit, this asshole's charging $8 a gallon, I can charge $7.50 a gallon and make a killing". Only an idiot only looks at his prices and then sets the price based on some predetermined margin.
You're confusing "how good" someone is with "how much time they play". WoW is all about spending time in the game. It's blatantly (laughably) transparent the steps Blizzard has taken to make people have to spend time in the game to do things. Travel is tedious. Most of the grinding quests are tedious. If it takes you lots and lots of time to get to end-game you will be subscribed longer. Great for them, tedious for us.
I know. Everyone with any everyman common sense knows that a human looking super-being shit us out and cares about each of us individually. Those stupid int-eee-lec-tuuu-als think they know it all, don't they?
I guess you can never lose by appealing to the moron's distrust of people smarter than him.
Oh, the old "it feels faster" excuse. I think you need to go look at the VMWare performance data for the 74xx Xeon CPUs in 4 and 8 processor configurations before you go around claiming the AMDs "feel faster".
AMD has done a good job marketing HT, I'll give them that. People will swear up and down despite the facts that their "memory hungry" apps just "run better" on the Opteron. I wonder what magic fairy dust people will claim AMD has when CSI hits the market.
I think most people will acknowledge that the Opteron has better multi-socket performance (probably starting at 4 or 8 sockets, not sure). How many people are running these behemoths? Not many. The people who insist on Opterons are simply misinformed and don't know what they're talking about, or they are stuck in 2005 when Opteron really did dominate.
In single and dual socket machines, Intel chips perform better on a majority of real world tasks.
"Racist cops".. whatever makes you feel good about yourself. It has no bearing on the case. It's just something a defense team for a black defendant will automatically say to see if it sticks. BTW, it wasn't perjury. He was asked if he'd used the word in the last decade, and the tapes were close to 10 years old.
As for DNA evidence, tell me you're fucking joking. They found DNA all over the place. You seriously think that _shitload_ of DNA evidence in all sorts of places was just due to sloppy collection?
Murder weapon - irrelevant. How hard is it to get rid of a murder weapon? It's not hard at all, only in the case of a mentally defective idiot murderer will they find the murder weapon.
Gloves. Ahahaha. That bit of showmanship was ridiculous. Shrunken gloves exposed to moisture didn't fit on someone who didn't want them to fit and who was wearing latex gloves. Wow, what a shocker. You _do_ know it's trivial to induce joint swelling, right?
DNA evidence of a fight with an unidentified person.. ok. Cite? Not sure how it matters, with all the other evidence, unless you don't understand logic. Let's see, I have 100 things which say "guilty" and one unexplained thing which could be caused by any of a number of things. OK, I pick.. not guilty! Yeah, that makes sense. It's the same "logic" used by 9/11 truthers. My guess is you're one of those, also, based on your complete lack of logic in this instance.
Your problem is you don't understand that a "perfect" murder conviction is exceedingly rare. There are always little nagging questions that are never answered because time destroys evidence.
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I'm sure the content owners would be willing to give you DRM free music, but they will probably want more money to cover the cost of piracy.
The construction worker expends resources for every porch built. Thus every porch needs to be payed for. The artist does not expend resources (bandwidth notwithstanding) for every copy distributed to every fan. Thus not every copy needs to be payed for. There will be enough people who will donate*, assuming the guy is any good, to make up for the costs. An artist who's not in it for the money, but rather for the love of doing it, will not care about getting every cent that could possibly be made under RIAA-style accounting**
Not that it matters, but the studios do spend money advertising and publishing media. I say it doesn't matter because there's this thing called "opportunity cost". Let's say God comes down to earth and creates a perfect DRM model. Basically your brain refuses to distribute content you don't own. Now, how many people would buy Album X and what would they pay? The difference between that amount and the amount earned because people copy content is what DRM attempts to recoup. The "but it costs nothing for another copy" argument is just a distraction and not a real argument. I will agree that RIAA/BSA/etc.. style accounting is wrong. e.g. if I copy a $1000 piece of software and play with it, they didn't lose $1000 because I wouldn't have bought it anyway.
Not quite, compare our wordings very carefully. Take a really good artist. He makes art because he loves to make art. If he does not make a load of money, he will continue to make art. As long as he has enough money to live off of his art, he will keep on doing it, and he'll get better. If you love what you're doing, chances are you're good at it.
This whole line of reasoning bores me with its stupidity, frankly. You're making a value judgement on a profession and arbitrarily claiming they should have motivations you agree with or that their ability is dictated by their lack of greed. I could make the same argument for a software developer. Or a doctor. Or a lawyer. You can say the same thing about any profession. It's nonsensical. What if I have a really good voice and musical ability, I can't treat that like a profession and instead should "suffer for my art"? Laughable.
That's not really true, though. Apple has found a model that people will largely live with. Itunes is doing just fine. Personally, I won't use Itunes until Requiem works for Itunes 8. So despite being proclaimed a pro-DRM shill, I won't buy DRM that doesn't suite my needs unless I can crack it. But when I do crack it I don't share out the content. That's the difference between me a Joe Schmoe.
Again, another SlashGenius who knows more than billion dollar corporations. Maybe you should notify these corporations that DRM doesn't work, maybe they'll pay you more than they pay their Ph.D technical people or their wunderkind finance people?
What you fail to comprehend is that the goal of DRM isn't to stop all illegal copying. The goal of DRM is to prevent copying and make it difficult enough such that the cost of the DRM (in customer anger and development costs) are outweighed by the prevention of day to day routine copying by Joe Schmoe.
And don't get me wrong. I dislike bad DRM as much as the next SlashDweeb. Bad DRM is...bad. I don't buy stuff with bad DRM. The goal of the studios is to maximize customer satisfaction while protecting their content. They haven't really hit that yet, though Apple is reasonably close.
Yeah, dubbing a tape is just as effective as publishing something on a torrent site. Piracy was even rampant back then, but the need to have physical media and the fairly noticeable loss of quality was a hindrance to it really affecting the studios.
What you people fail to understand, amazingly, is that DRM doesn't have to be perfect. Even the crappy DRM on DVDs stops the majority of people from copying them.
You all remind me of the people who want laws passed for "their own good". If DRM didn't work they wouldn't use it. It's as simple as that. I guess it's easy to assume that billion dollar industries are full of dummies who don't know what "UngleLoogie" on SlashDot knows, but the odds are they have very smart people, both technical and in finance, working for them.
Well holy shit, brilliant argument. Shit, I suppose a construction worker can go build porches on people's houses for free then hope they pay him some pittance! Maybe Adobe or Apple should follow this path to riches and make all their software free with "Donate Here" buttons, I'm sure they'll recoup the cost of development.
Your repetition of Slashdot's tired propaganda and your overall indistinguishability from a puckered asshole make you a douchebag.
Seriously, did you just use the "they shouldn't be in it for the money if they're any good anyway" argument? What a jackass.
OK. Nice theory. Go rent a car and use it in a crash-up derby. Go buy a copy of Photoshop and post it up on your website for all to download. See what happens asshole.
I can see this is going to be a big long cry-fest from the anti-DRM crowd. What a wonderful world you all think you live in where you can just release digital content for all the wonderful people to share out for free and where apparently content is free to produce and content owners shouldn't worry about getting money for their work because they happen to work in a field where there's no perfect distribution model.
In my world, the real world, DRM is largely a necessary evil. People deserve to get paid for their work. Software and entertainment content requires work to create and the producers have the right to compensation. Couple that with the entitlement mentality rampant today and you'll find without DRM people will just give other people's shit away for free without a second thought, and other people will download said shit for free without a twinge of conscience.
Hell, I wish we there were no guns, no wars, no murder, no rape, etc... But here in the real world these are facts of life, just like DRM. The goal is to find a reasonable DRM model that lets people do what they want with only modest restrictions on use. If a DRM model doesn't fit that, then don't buy the product.
Raising issues about a particular DRM implementation is fine. Crying about the concept of DRM is like crying about death or taxes - i.e. pointless.
And if you think McCain meant we'd have "troops in direct conflict in Iraq for 100 years" you're a straight up moron. He was saying we'd have troops there maybe in 100 years. This is simply a fact. Inferring that the heated conflict in Iraq will go on for 100 years is stupid. So you made my point for me - thanks for that.
Let me ask you a question. How long have we had troops in Japan? How much longer do you think we will continue to have troops in Japan? I'm guessing a long time.
If you hold the "100 years" comment against McCain you are seriously lacking in critical thinking skills.
You would literally have to be an idiot to mistake e.g. Elbot for a human. In fact, no program written will even come close to fooling anyone over IQ 90 if they know they could conceivably be talking to a program.
e.g. I clicked the red button, it gave some "nobody has ever clicked me like that" crap. I asked "like what?" and it came back with some meaningless gibber jabber. Then I asked "what was your mother like" and it came back with something about its grandfather. When asked about its father (as next question) it told me about its mother. It's just retarded.
I'm not sure who they're trying to kid - nothing is even remotely close to being close to almost being anle to pass a real Turing test.
Nobody gives a shit. If you're developing for Linux, you'll develop for Linux. If you're developing for Windows, you'll develop for Windows. If you're developing for both and don't know what you're doing, tough shit.
That money you don't pay for gas? Yeah, that's your reward.
FFXI not real MMO. Go look at e.g. WoW, AoC, Warhammer, etc... Not playable with console scheme. They'd have to be way dumbed down.
I think it is a showstopper. MMO requires keyboard/mouse - period. Or at least, a standard console controller won't cut it.
It's meaningless. C# is used a lot in the enterprise application arena. I don't know why you would think "TIOBE" would have any insight into what Fortune 500 companies are developing internal automation and business software on. I get the hiring thing, but it doesn't mean a lot.
Haha. Yeah, cheating in WoW is such a monumental wrong. How can he possibly sleep at night?
False. A lot of people propose it as some magic "something" with super-fancy-special properties. I always thought that was ridiculous, but even scientists sometimes make it out to be something like Fairy Dust.
You must not understand business. See, if my competitors are charging $8 a gallon and I know my gas costs me $0.80 a gallon, I'm not going to go "gee, I should charge my cost + 50% so I'll just charge $1.20". I'm going to go "shit, this asshole's charging $8 a gallon, I can charge $7.50 a gallon and make a killing". Only an idiot only looks at his prices and then sets the price based on some predetermined margin.
You're confusing "how good" someone is with "how much time they play". WoW is all about spending time in the game. It's blatantly (laughably) transparent the steps Blizzard has taken to make people have to spend time in the game to do things. Travel is tedious. Most of the grinding quests are tedious. If it takes you lots and lots of time to get to end-game you will be subscribed longer. Great for them, tedious for us.
I know. Everyone with any everyman common sense knows that a human looking super-being shit us out and cares about each of us individually. Those stupid int-eee-lec-tuuu-als think they know it all, don't they?
I guess you can never lose by appealing to the moron's distrust of people smarter than him.
Oh, the old "it feels faster" excuse. I think you need to go look at the VMWare performance data for the 74xx Xeon CPUs in 4 and 8 processor configurations before you go around claiming the AMDs "feel faster".
AMD has done a good job marketing HT, I'll give them that. People will swear up and down despite the facts that their "memory hungry" apps just "run better" on the Opteron. I wonder what magic fairy dust people will claim AMD has when CSI hits the market.
I think most people will acknowledge that the Opteron has better multi-socket performance (probably starting at 4 or 8 sockets, not sure). How many people are running these behemoths? Not many. The people who insist on Opterons are simply misinformed and don't know what they're talking about, or they are stuck in 2005 when Opteron really did dominate.
In single and dual socket machines, Intel chips perform better on a majority of real world tasks.
This is a server CPU. Not sure what XP has to do with it, really? People who run servers definitely use multiple cores.
"Racist cops".. whatever makes you feel good about yourself. It has no bearing on the case. It's just something a defense team for a black defendant will automatically say to see if it sticks. BTW, it wasn't perjury. He was asked if he'd used the word in the last decade, and the tapes were close to 10 years old.
As for DNA evidence, tell me you're fucking joking. They found DNA all over the place. You seriously think that _shitload_ of DNA evidence in all sorts of places was just due to sloppy collection?
Murder weapon - irrelevant. How hard is it to get rid of a murder weapon? It's not hard at all, only in the case of a mentally defective idiot murderer will they find the murder weapon.
Gloves. Ahahaha. That bit of showmanship was ridiculous. Shrunken gloves exposed to moisture didn't fit on someone who didn't want them to fit and who was wearing latex gloves. Wow, what a shocker. You _do_ know it's trivial to induce joint swelling, right?
DNA evidence of a fight with an unidentified person.. ok. Cite? Not sure how it matters, with all the other evidence, unless you don't understand logic. Let's see, I have 100 things which say "guilty" and one unexplained thing which could be caused by any of a number of things. OK, I pick.. not guilty! Yeah, that makes sense. It's the same "logic" used by 9/11 truthers. My guess is you're one of those, also, based on your complete lack of logic in this instance.
Your problem is you don't understand that a "perfect" murder conviction is exceedingly rare. There are always little nagging questions that are never answered because time destroys evidence.