Yes, because Open Source is the answer to everything!
How is it "logical" that IBM needs to open up their commercial products to entrench service standards? The standards should stand on their own. Open source products can embrace them regardless if commercial software remains closed.
I've got two Sun Fire X2100M2 boxes (AMD64 Next generation Opteron Model 1214) running FreeBSD 6.2 in 64 bit mode. I built them 90 days ago and they have never suffered any problems, much less a kernel panic.
Are you servers the first generation opteron? Maybe this "sleeping on a non-sleepable lock" panic is restricted to those chips.
That site features 19 programs implemented in 33 languages. Each program stresses something. You can see relative execution times and memory use, and it lets you pit one specific language and another and see how they compare.
Yes, PHP loses in pretty much every performance category against compiled languages and even C#/mono.
Just like every other lemming around. Nothing to be proud of in particular.
Many BSD users have been Linux-free this whole time, other than the ones that teethed on Linux, then quickly realized there was something better (like me). Just because someone doesn't use Linux doesn't automatically mean they are using an inferior OS.
Logistically that makes perfect sense, but I think that would highly irritate their distributors. As much as lines like this would seem annoying for the store, they probably like the hype. That hype probable does generate pre-orders, backorders, and interest for casual customers not aware the PS3 is nearing launch.
It's not like the tagging system is worth anything anyway. How many articles are tagged "yes" and "no", "fud" and "notfud", etc? If the tagging system is meant to be able to search for old articles later, it largely fails. Google seems to work better.
Sahib, let me tell you that I am wery much ressembling that remark
-- A.Chwunbee
Marked down to -1?
When a guy with an Indian surname says this, it's funny as it was intended to be.
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Not bad, wrong on all three counts.
count 1: He said he would abide by the cores wishes as long as they were state the difference between NetBSD mail and private mail AND that they applied to everyone.
count 2: He was in charge of the sparc port. They ripped those priviledges from him without cause or warning. He said NetBSD was welcome to have 10000 lines of bug fixes IF he could merge them himself because he didn't trust anyone to do it.
count 3: Besides contributing to a few OSS projects, I am the architect and project lead of one, used by 1000s downstream. How many OSS projects are you in charge of? Be careful with your arrogance.
Abrasive yes - short fuse no.
point 7 is absurd. They were not concerned that he would trash the system. It is CVS, you can't trash it. You just roll it back to before the "trashing".
More or less the timeline is correct except it wasn't some random user. There was a lot a previous history between that particular user and Theo, and the exchange happened on private email. I'm not defending Theo on what he said to the guy, but it's my understanding the "user" (which I believe was a junior contributor) was being a jerk. He would have had to be to get a response like that, right?
The short version is Theo said that he would not hand over 10,000+ changed lines of code UNLESS he could merge them himself. The guy who was assigned Theo's sparc port requested twice that Theo's priviledges be re-instated for this purpose, but the Core ignored the the new head of the Sparc port. Theo actually did agree to their demands of being cordial WITHIN reason. The problem was three fold:
They didn't really want him to agree, they wanted him out.
If he did agree, it would be without condition. Theo wanted extenuating circumstances to be considered
In the original incident, Theo did not verbally abuse some poor random user on the NetBSD mail list. Some guy repeatedly provoked Theo on his private email account. It did not come out of the clear blue and the "victim" was not innocent. He basically got what he deserved. The NetBSD didn't agree though
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I read the email log extremely closely. Charles was in the process of creating a "special" set of rules for Theo, that only Theo had to agree to. While he was being jerked around, five additional people earned commit priviledges, but where not made to agree to these "new" criteria. This set of rules was never completed, it was dragged out intentionally, basically "you have to agree to these rules first, but you can't do that until we write them, and we can't give you a date when we will write them even though it's already been weeks".
I would love to post the link to the email log but it would crash the server it's on.
Even though the developer put in charge of Theo's sparc port wanted Theo to have his commit priviledges restored, and asked for it a couple of times, the core refused. The only "workable" solution that was offered was that Theo could pass his diffs on to the port developer and let him merge them. Basically it was a set of conditions that nobody would agree to. The email chain is quite clear that Charles was instrumental in Theo losing the commit priviledges and never intended to restore them. It is also obvious they were jerking him around until he just quit on his own.
My take on Theo:
I think his "utter asshole" reputation is not accurate. He's said some things he probably wants to have back, and likely hurt some feelings. I also think he was cordial during this 7 month jerk-around session, enduring it FAR longer than most people would, and he said all the right things to earn the commit priviledges back. He was willing to "play ball".
Charles might be a good guy, but he wasn't well like during this time in 1995 and forcing Theo out is a black mark on his record. You can't tell me NetBSD is better off now (dying) without Theo then they would have been with him on their team.
first, it would be absurdly difficult after 10 years of divergence.
Secondly, what would be in it for OpenBSD? I see no benefit for them.
Thirdly, ego's caused the original split. There is no way in hell that either side would merge for the same reason. I'd bet both would rather see both projects die before that happens.
What I'm surprised about is that you read the email chain but came to the conclusion that Theo's ideas were "ignored". That's not what happened. They desperated wanted his ideas and his code, but they told him he could not COMMIT the code himself, but rather work through an intermediary, one that had no technical skill. It's like telling the former CEO to report to the janitor.
You got it half right, but either you didn't read the whole chain, or your memory is failing you.
I'm a big BSD guy, mainly a FreeBSD user, but I intently follow DragonFlyBSD and OpenBSD. Unless I'm mistaken, this is the same Charles Hannum that was directly responsible for kicking fellow NetBSD founder, Theo de Raadt, out of the core group, removed his CVS priviledges, and made Theo twist in the wind for 7 months until he was forced to leave to found OpenBSD. (reading the log I don't see how Theo lasted 7 weeks, he really made an effort to continue with NetBSD despite all of that).
So now the evil cabal takes over and kicks Charles out of the core and removes his commit priviledges. It's sad, and I think Charles' points are spot on, but it's a bitter pill to swallow coming from this messenger.
You have to shake your head when you think of what NetBSD could have been had they been able to avoid childish political antics in their "cabal".
I was in fayetteville arkansas en route to Amsterdam. Delta was already an hour late getting off the ground because they seem to be incapable of leaving either Fayetteville or Atlanta on time. Due to this scare, we were grounded an additional 2 hours. No flights were allowed to depart. Of course, the international flights were in another terminal and they left on time. Cross-Atlantic flights only leave once a day, so this bug caused me to stay in atlanta for 24 hours. My wife and I were lucky to get on the next flight the next day. To add insult to injury, Delta wouldn't cover the cost of the hotel because the delay was caused by TSA (never mind that had they left on time, I would have probably made the flight).
There were hundreds of international travellers in the same boat. Ultimately this probably affected tens of thousands of passengers. The flight after mine in Fayetteville was cancelled outright immediately.
TSA really screwed the pooch on this one.
Ignoring the fact the grandparent didn't mention anything about a "tax", the parent still is a non-sequiter. America has it's own railway and highway system, it didn't augment an existing system built by another party.
If you wanted to compare apples to apples, your country would have invested it's money in a separate internet system that it could control as it sees fit. If your country didn't accept the control authority of the existing internet, it should not have invested in it.
To be fair, you need to include the userland code line count, not just the kernel. And who is going to determine what a "core" utility is?
It would be a lot easier to determine for a BSD, which comes complete out of the box, not "some assembly required" like linux.
I live in the Netherlands now (high cost of living) after living in Munich for 3 years (high cost of living) and I can assure you the price for DSL and cable here in Europe is less than or equal to the US, although the poster from France gets more for his/her money.
Are you pulling these facts out of your backside? Where do you get your information?
It's worse than that. Bitlord identifies itself as BitComet 1.0.1, so assuming Bitlord is also banned, that would meaning banning 94% of the traffic.
However, I don't see Bitcomet ratios this high.
1. Beastie is generic, it's associated with all of the BSDs and not specific to FreeBSD.
Let's see:
OpenBSD has a puff fish for a mascot
NetBSD has a yacht flag for a logo
DragonFlyBSD has a stillwater aquatic insect for the mascot and a logo.
Seems since the other BSD's have abandoned Beastie, he *is* specific to FreeBSD.
How can you say you don't have a logo? Go to http://www.freebsd.org/. I see stylized text of FreeBSD, which has been used for years. That's a logo and a common law trademark.
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Yes, because Open Source is the answer to everything!
How is it "logical" that IBM needs to open up their commercial products to entrench service standards? The standards should stand on their own. Open source products can embrace them regardless if commercial software remains closed.
I've got two Sun Fire X2100M2 boxes (AMD64 Next generation Opteron Model 1214) running FreeBSD 6.2 in 64 bit mode. I built them 90 days ago and they have never suffered any problems, much less a kernel panic.
Are you servers the first generation opteron? Maybe this "sleeping on a non-sleepable lock" panic is restricted to those chips.
DragonflyBSD 1.4.x, 1.6.x, and 1.8.x systems have already been patched.
This very serious message urging all users to upgrade was posted on their mailing list earlier this week: DFBSD Message 2007/5/63
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That site features 19 programs implemented in 33 languages. Each program stresses something. You can see relative execution times and memory use, and it lets you pit one specific language and another and see how they compare.
Yes, PHP loses in pretty much every performance category against compiled languages and even C#/mono.
Am I the only one who thinks this form-checkbox type of comment is trite? It's not original, it's not funny, it's annoying at best. Stop doing it.
Logistically that makes perfect sense, but I think that would highly irritate their distributors. As much as lines like this would seem annoying for the store, they probably like the hype. That hype probable does generate pre-orders, backorders, and interest for casual customers not aware the PS3 is nearing launch.
It's not like the tagging system is worth anything anyway. How many articles are tagged "yes" and "no", "fud" and "notfud", etc? If the tagging system is meant to be able to search for old articles later, it largely fails. Google seems to work better.
You remember incorrectly. It's exactly 800 ft. Even 10 feet too shallow, and that nuke is completely ineffective.
What do the Amish have against a blowfish?
Not bad, wrong on all three counts. count 1: He said he would abide by the cores wishes as long as they were state the difference between NetBSD mail and private mail AND that they applied to everyone. count 2: He was in charge of the sparc port. They ripped those priviledges from him without cause or warning. He said NetBSD was welcome to have 10000 lines of bug fixes IF he could merge them himself because he didn't trust anyone to do it. count 3: Besides contributing to a few OSS projects, I am the architect and project lead of one, used by 1000s downstream. How many OSS projects are you in charge of? Be careful with your arrogance. Abrasive yes - short fuse no.
point 7 is absurd. They were not concerned that he would trash the system. It is CVS, you can't trash it. You just roll it back to before the "trashing".
More or less the timeline is correct except it wasn't some random user. There was a lot a previous history between that particular user and Theo, and the exchange happened on private email. I'm not defending Theo on what he said to the guy, but it's my understanding the "user" (which I believe was a junior contributor) was being a jerk. He would have had to be to get a response like that, right?
The short version is Theo said that he would not hand over 10,000+ changed lines of code UNLESS he could merge them himself. The guy who was assigned Theo's sparc port requested twice that Theo's priviledges be re-instated for this purpose, but the Core ignored the the new head of the Sparc port. Theo actually did agree to their demands of being cordial WITHIN reason. The problem was three fold:
I read the email log extremely closely. Charles was in the process of creating a "special" set of rules for Theo, that only Theo had to agree to. While he was being jerked around, five additional people earned commit priviledges, but where not made to agree to these "new" criteria. This set of rules was never completed, it was dragged out intentionally, basically "you have to agree to these rules first, but you can't do that until we write them, and we can't give you a date when we will write them even though it's already been weeks".
I would love to post the link to the email log but it would crash the server it's on.
Even though the developer put in charge of Theo's sparc port wanted Theo to have his commit priviledges restored, and asked for it a couple of times, the core refused. The only "workable" solution that was offered was that Theo could pass his diffs on to the port developer and let him merge them. Basically it was a set of conditions that nobody would agree to. The email chain is quite clear that Charles was instrumental in Theo losing the commit priviledges and never intended to restore them. It is also obvious they were jerking him around until he just quit on his own.
My take on Theo:
I think his "utter asshole" reputation is not accurate. He's said some things he probably wants to have back, and likely hurt some feelings. I also think he was cordial during this 7 month jerk-around session, enduring it FAR longer than most people would, and he said all the right things to earn the commit priviledges back. He was willing to "play ball".
Charles might be a good guy, but he wasn't well like during this time in 1995 and forcing Theo out is a black mark on his record. You can't tell me NetBSD is better off now (dying) without Theo then they would have been with him on their team.
first, it would be absurdly difficult after 10 years of divergence. Secondly, what would be in it for OpenBSD? I see no benefit for them. Thirdly, ego's caused the original split. There is no way in hell that either side would merge for the same reason. I'd bet both would rather see both projects die before that happens.
What I'm surprised about is that you read the email chain but came to the conclusion that Theo's ideas were "ignored". That's not what happened. They desperated wanted his ideas and his code, but they told him he could not COMMIT the code himself, but rather work through an intermediary, one that had no technical skill. It's like telling the former CEO to report to the janitor. You got it half right, but either you didn't read the whole chain, or your memory is failing you.
I'm a big BSD guy, mainly a FreeBSD user, but I intently follow DragonFlyBSD and OpenBSD. Unless I'm mistaken, this is the same Charles Hannum that was directly responsible for kicking fellow NetBSD founder, Theo de Raadt, out of the core group, removed his CVS priviledges, and made Theo twist in the wind for 7 months until he was forced to leave to found OpenBSD. (reading the log I don't see how Theo lasted 7 weeks, he really made an effort to continue with NetBSD despite all of that). So now the evil cabal takes over and kicks Charles out of the core and removes his commit priviledges. It's sad, and I think Charles' points are spot on, but it's a bitter pill to swallow coming from this messenger. You have to shake your head when you think of what NetBSD could have been had they been able to avoid childish political antics in their "cabal".
I was in fayetteville arkansas en route to Amsterdam. Delta was already an hour late getting off the ground because they seem to be incapable of leaving either Fayetteville or Atlanta on time. Due to this scare, we were grounded an additional 2 hours. No flights were allowed to depart. Of course, the international flights were in another terminal and they left on time. Cross-Atlantic flights only leave once a day, so this bug caused me to stay in atlanta for 24 hours. My wife and I were lucky to get on the next flight the next day. To add insult to injury, Delta wouldn't cover the cost of the hotel because the delay was caused by TSA (never mind that had they left on time, I would have probably made the flight). There were hundreds of international travellers in the same boat. Ultimately this probably affected tens of thousands of passengers. The flight after mine in Fayetteville was cancelled outright immediately. TSA really screwed the pooch on this one.
Ignoring the fact the grandparent didn't mention anything about a "tax", the parent still is a non-sequiter. America has it's own railway and highway system, it didn't augment an existing system built by another party. If you wanted to compare apples to apples, your country would have invested it's money in a separate internet system that it could control as it sees fit. If your country didn't accept the control authority of the existing internet, it should not have invested in it.
To be fair, you need to include the userland code line count, not just the kernel. And who is going to determine what a "core" utility is? It would be a lot easier to determine for a BSD, which comes complete out of the box, not "some assembly required" like linux.
We saw this just a few hours ago.
I live in the Netherlands now (high cost of living) after living in Munich for 3 years (high cost of living) and I can assure you the price for DSL and cable here in Europe is less than or equal to the US, although the poster from France gets more for his/her money. Are you pulling these facts out of your backside? Where do you get your information?
It's worse than that. Bitlord identifies itself as BitComet 1.0.1, so assuming Bitlord is also banned, that would meaning banning 94% of the traffic. However, I don't see Bitcomet ratios this high.
- OpenBSD has a puff fish for a mascot
- NetBSD has a yacht flag for a logo
- DragonFlyBSD has a stillwater aquatic insect for the mascot and a logo.
Seems since the other BSD's have abandoned Beastie, he *is* specific to FreeBSD. How can you say you don't have a logo? Go to http://www.freebsd.org/. I see stylized text of FreeBSD, which has been used for years. That's a logo and a common law trademark.