Any recommendations where one can still live free and unobserved in a non-nanny state?
Well, at least in Norway, The Data Inspectorate ("Datatilsynet") is extremely unsatisfied with the EU directive, and there are talks of Norway using it's veto right in order to not implement the directive.
Also - we've got laws protecting people copying code, reverse engieneering code, etc - so at the moment, Norway is a nice place to live.
By the way, the directive does not mean that data carriers need to store the body of the communication, it's just the headers (sending and recieving number, time, etc).
I guess it's got a lot to do with the working environment at where you are employed. I've resigned from computer jobs (managing quite large systems with lots of sensitive information floating around), and have always been working the entire notification period (3 months).
Maybe it's different here in Norway, but most contracts specify a 3 month notification period. This gives both the employer and the employee enough time to adjust. The employee to another job and the employer to find a new employee. It also allows for training of a new person.
No, in Norway, the state covers the expences for a lawyer, so the defendant will not suffer.
Remember, Norway is a social-democratic country; free health services, schools, etc... and high taxes.
Re:The World's biggest? I think not.
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Yeah, and that was indeed what I said. "All three..". It's not strictly a demo or programming party anymore, none of the four largest parties (The Gathering Norway, Dreamhack Sweden, Assembly Finland, The Party Denmark) are pure demo events anymore, unfortunately.
That time has passed, they are now a mix of demos/coding/computer art, game and general geek. Some people think it's sad, other people think it's good. I think it's kinda nice though - you have everyone represented at one area.
Typical scene from The Gathering: an area is marked with barricade tape ("DEMOSCENE AREA\n NO GAMERS"), there's some hostility between gamers and sceneres.. but in the end, some sceneres play a bit of games, and some gamers begin doing something useful with their time at the party - making graphics, watching demos, learning to code, etc.
You know - at these computer parties, people actually learn from eachother. If you want, you can sit in a corner and watch demos made in 1987 drinking beer (well, not according to the rules, but.. who cares? there's still a beer drinking competition at The Gathering at least, and in from of the entrance of The Party, there's always loads of finns constantly drunk:-), you can sit in front of your computer eating chips and drunking litres after litres of coke.. or you can actually mix, learn new things, get to know new people, attend a lecture/conference.. something.
It's sad if the creative (computer art) part of computer parties crumbles... haven't we heard "the demoscene is dead" a long time? bullshit. As I've noticed, there's new people taking an interest. Most of the hardcore old-school demogroups have departed from The Viking Ship (TG) a long time ago, but new people, young people are learning together.. it started in 2000/2001.. crappy demos.. better in 2002, and 2003? Well, awesome:-)
If you haven't already, log in to ftp.scene.org and download some demos.. it's worth it:-)
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Actually, it is far from the world's largest. It is surpassed by The Gathering in Norway with 5100 people (plus guests, of course) and Dreamhack in Sweden with about 5000 people (including guests, if I remember correctly). If I remember correctly, Assembly has about 4000 people, but it sure is amongst the world's largest:-)
Note that all three events I listed are Computer Parties, not to mistaken as Lan (Parties). What's the difference? At computer parties, the organizers try to encourage lots of other events other than gaming like creative competitions - coding of demos, graphics, music, etc. There are often also lectures/conferences on development, linux/unix, security, etc. For more information: The Gathering Tech:Server Crew - Why TG is not a LAN page.
To conclude, check out this way cool panorama picture of The Gathering 99 (only with about 4200 people then, but.. yeah, cool): Panorama of TG99
Note: I'm not neutral in my writing in this case since I'm the leader of the Tech:Server (former Tech:Linux) crew at The Gathering since 1999. And yes, it's without pay.. just loads of fun and experience:-)
Pretend you moved into an office, and got mail delivered to the previous occupant... it's still a federal crime for you to open that mail if it's not addressed to you. Now, I'm not saying it's necessarily as clear cut with email, but it's the same general thing, and it is immoral.
Federal crime? Please keep in mind that this is about a.nl domain, not in the USA, 'federal' has little or none importance.
But anyways, many countries do not see electronic communiction as "regular" communication. Let me give you an example: many people in corporations add silly "by reading this e-mail, you agree to blablabla and delete it if it isn't addressed to you." One problem: it's impossible. You haveto read it in order to know the content of the signature, and you automatically agree to it? I think not - invalid at least in Norway.
Addressing of post in the real world is much simpler - you haveto have a name. On the net, you can simply address 'webmaster', a handle/nickname, etc. I just checked with two friends of mine studying law here at the University of Oslo, and in norwegian law you have committed a crime by opening (or destroying) a letter not addressed to you. But there are no current cases that confirm that this is valid for electronic communication.
Morally, it's a grey zone also - by my point of view. I currently use 5 different domains. All incoming e-mail to those domains are redirected to one of my inboxes. If I forget to renew one of those domains, it's my fault. I wouldn't care what happens with e-mail to that domain then.. and yes, it's happened:-) If you want to protect your incoming e-mails, the least you need to do is to make sure that your domain is registered and has a proper MX:-)
Indeed, but also - remember The Gathering, Norway (this year, The Gathering again reclaimed the throne as the world's largest computer gathering with 5100 attendants).
But again, it's a computer party, not a strictly LAN-party. For those of you not into this, check tg.nlc.no/notalan.html for more information regarding competitions not game-oriented.
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Any recommendations where one can still live free and unobserved in a non-nanny state?
Well, at least in Norway, The Data Inspectorate ("Datatilsynet") is extremely unsatisfied with the EU directive, and there are talks of Norway using it's veto right in order to not implement the directive.
Also - we've got laws protecting people copying code, reverse engieneering code, etc - so at the moment, Norway is a nice place to live.
By the way, the directive does not mean that data carriers need to store the body of the communication, it's just the headers (sending and recieving number, time, etc).
I guess it's got a lot to do with the working environment at where you are employed. I've resigned from computer jobs (managing quite large systems with lots of sensitive information floating around), and have always been working the entire notification period (3 months).
Maybe it's different here in Norway, but most contracts specify a 3 month notification period. This gives both the employer and the employee enough time to adjust. The employee to another job and the employer to find a new employee. It also allows for training of a new person.
Actually, the average age at TG03 was 24.
hm.. oops, it seems I was a bit mistaken.. that's the old article :-)
The Norwegian paper Aftenposten as an english article online: DVD-Jon wins new legal victory.
No, in Norway, the state covers the expences for a lawyer, so the defendant will not suffer.
Remember, Norway is a social-democratic country; free health services, schools, etc... and high taxes.
Yeah, and that was indeed what I said. "All three..". It's not strictly a demo or programming party anymore, none of the four largest parties (The Gathering Norway, Dreamhack Sweden, Assembly Finland, The Party Denmark) are pure demo events anymore, unfortunately.
:-), you can sit in front of your computer eating chips and drunking litres after litres of coke.. or you can actually mix, learn new things, get to know new people, attend a lecture/conference.. something.
:-)
:-)
That time has passed, they are now a mix of demos/coding/computer art, game and general geek. Some people think it's sad, other people think it's good. I think it's kinda nice though - you have everyone represented at one area.
Typical scene from The Gathering: an area is marked with barricade tape ("DEMOSCENE AREA\n NO GAMERS"), there's some hostility between gamers and sceneres.. but in the end, some sceneres play a bit of games, and some gamers begin doing something useful with their time at the party - making graphics, watching demos, learning to code, etc.
You know - at these computer parties, people actually learn from eachother. If you want, you can sit in a corner and watch demos made in 1987 drinking beer (well, not according to the rules, but.. who cares? there's still a beer drinking competition at The Gathering at least, and in from of the entrance of The Party, there's always loads of finns constantly drunk
It's sad if the creative (computer art) part of computer parties crumbles... haven't we heard "the demoscene is dead" a long time? bullshit. As I've noticed, there's new people taking an interest. Most of the hardcore old-school demogroups have departed from The Viking Ship (TG) a long time ago, but new people, young people are learning together.. it started in 2000/2001.. crappy demos.. better in 2002, and 2003? Well, awesome
If you haven't already, log in to ftp.scene.org and download some demos.. it's worth it
Actually, it is far from the world's largest. It is surpassed by The Gathering in Norway with 5100 people (plus guests, of course) and Dreamhack in Sweden with about 5000 people (including guests, if I remember correctly). If I remember correctly, Assembly has about 4000 people, but it sure is amongst the world's largest :-)
Note that all three events I listed are Computer Parties, not to mistaken as Lan (Parties). What's the difference? At computer parties, the organizers try to encourage lots of other events other than gaming like creative competitions - coding of demos, graphics, music, etc. There are often also lectures/conferences on development, linux/unix, security, etc. For more information: The Gathering Tech:Server Crew - Why TG is not a LAN page.
To conclude, check out this way cool panorama picture of The Gathering 99 (only with about 4200 people then, but.. yeah, cool): Panorama of TG99
Note: I'm not neutral in my writing in this case since I'm the leader of the Tech:Server (former Tech:Linux) crew at The Gathering since 1999. And yes, it's without pay.. just loads of fun and experience :-)
Pretend you moved into an office, and got mail delivered to the previous occupant... it's still a federal crime for you to open that mail if it's not addressed to you. Now, I'm not saying it's necessarily as clear cut with email, but it's the same general thing, and it is immoral.
Federal crime? Please keep in mind that this is about a .nl domain, not in the USA, 'federal' has little or none importance.
But anyways, many countries do not see electronic communiction as "regular" communication. Let me give you an example: many people in corporations add silly "by reading this e-mail, you agree to blablabla and delete it if it isn't addressed to you." One problem: it's impossible. You haveto read it in order to know the content of the signature, and you automatically agree to it? I think not - invalid at least in Norway.
Addressing of post in the real world is much simpler - you haveto have a name. On the net, you can simply address 'webmaster', a handle/nickname, etc. I just checked with two friends of mine studying law here at the University of Oslo, and in norwegian law you have committed a crime by opening (or destroying) a letter not addressed to you. But there are no current cases that confirm that this is valid for electronic communication.
Morally, it's a grey zone also - by my point of view. I currently use 5 different domains. All incoming e-mail to those domains are redirected to one of my inboxes. If I forget to renew one of those domains, it's my fault. I wouldn't care what happens with e-mail to that domain then.. and yes, it's happened :-) If you want to protect your incoming e-mails, the least you need to do is to make sure that your domain is registered and has a proper MX :-)
Indeed, but also - remember The Gathering, Norway (this year, The Gathering again reclaimed the throne as the world's largest computer gathering with 5100 attendants).
But again, it's a computer party, not a strictly LAN-party. For those of you not into this, check tg.nlc.no/notalan.html for more information regarding competitions not game-oriented.
That redhat establishes itself in europe is great for the entire linux community.
Here in Norway, most people I know use either redhat or slackware (a few people use suse and debian, but that isn't many).
Multiple choices is a great thing...
Windows tacticts don't work in the linux community... the faster they learn that, the better.
I just want to see the transmeta logo...where...where...Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeere?
Yeah...sure...what's the word I'm looking for here?
Idiot.