So... your solution for needle anxiety is to tie them down beforehand and apply a bit of torture? Inducing medical problems would be inefficient when we invented so many ways to cause pain while inflicting minimal damage after all.
Well, those are certainly some reasons to use Linux from Scratch or Gentoo. However, you haven't given us any reasons not to use Linux Mint except the nebulous comment about "true traditional systems."
Perhaps you have different experience then I do , but in my experience, Asian parents don't shower their kids with praise unless the child is getting straight As in their academics, and even then it's not a surefire thing. Where are you getting this notion the culture in question inflates their kids ego?
Strange. Another thing I tend to hear about China (and all of Asia) is their schools are rather difficult compared to the West and many children have even more work because parents put them in multiple after school programs. Wouldn't that prep them for the "responsibilities and stresses of life?" At least as much as or more than academics does in our neck of the woods?
Thank you for the links, they were an interesting look at the fanbase. I'm not sure what you mean by par for course though. You mean they cut games that are profitable? They don't sell games that they no longer want?
Face in this case could be defined as a positive social value a person has. Some Asian cultures put more value to this compared to other parts of the works and are not as likely to air their dirty laundry as a result. And if people see their dirty laundry, people are more likely to take some act to show remorse.
True, companies do thing that we'd consider strange all the time (whether what they did is actually strange is another story). But my issue with the Anon's post is he seems to be assuming that because Asians care about keeping up appearances more than other cultures it must be the reason they cut City of Heroes, and I find that logic dubious. NCsoft is a business, and they tend to prioritize making money over all else regardless of nationality after all.
Since you know where the information is, it'd help if you just shared a link instead of making me repeat your efforts. I'll read any links anyone posts here, but I'm not going go out of my way to look for evidence of something that I consider outlandish and unlikely.
An... interesting post, but I really must ask, where are you getting this information? Articles? Insider information? To be frank, the notion that a business would cut something profitable simply because they didn't accurately analyze their foreign market is somewhat difficult to accept automatically.
You'll want to look at the 5th paragraph a bit more closely.
"Sankey, of New Castle, kicked off his trip in New York on Sept. 9. He has until Sept. 23 to make it to Los Angeles as he barters the bacon that he's towing in a trailer."
This is just my cynical side talking, and I certainly don't have any experience with international diplomacy, but I suspect nearly all of the foreign powers will merely be thinking; "UK did a dick move, but eh, getting their money is more important."
Am I correct in assuming you believe casual forms of racism/sexism/whatever should be tolerated? Possibly because you (as a possible white male) have to tolerate a bunch of shit that's arguably sexist/racist you think the others should too?
So, if someone were to say my computer is as annoying as a chink today (didn't hear that here but in South Korea, but that's another topic), it's ok so long as the person is not referring to a specific coworker? For a grayer example, what if the person is from a rather conservative background should they have to tolerate stereotypical High School antics and off color jokes especially when societal norms say otherwise? I'm not sure why you think productivity would be shot to hell if workers are told to keep their language PG.
Either way, I wouldn't worry too much about lawsuits in both cases. Typically someone will complain to the relevant person/group and the first case would be settled with a reprimand or firing. The second will probably merit no more than a stern reminder of company policies unless it keeps happening.
Yea, I mentioned talking to your boss/HR if you have a problem with a coworker.
You honestly can't understand why it's bad when people ignore trivial requests to be polite? You think there a pressing need for people to say whatever they want to people up to and including racial and gender slurs? Sigh... fine I don't think there's anything more I can say to convince you.
Oh for the love of... How about you play it safe and only talk about work maybe? Later, if you want, slowly push the envelope as you get to know your female coworker(s)? And of course, don't make any comments that could tie into race, gender, the usual crap.
Incidentally, people DON'T automatically sue when they're harassed. The courts demand some short of proof, and that actually involves first going to the boss and/or human resources and complaining.
And once again, I'd argue clinging to a mindset best left in High School to be even more childish. The group WILL have to learn to act professional sooner or later, so make them act like they're actually in a workplace and yea the vast majority will fit right in.
You'd classify telling your co-woker/boss that certain people are being offensive as "bickering?" I said nothing about arguing with people, and there usually isn't any bickering which I agree would be counter productive. First you tell ask your coworker to stop. If that doesn't work, you complain to a higher up. If the complaint is valid according to policy or the law, the offending party is simply told to stop. That's how adults deal with this. Being quiet is no different than a child tolerating a bully who thinks it's all good fun.
I'm not saying people who say things that are irritating (and goes against harassment policies) are automatically hateful. I'm saying if they consider a need to be crude, not PC, and in some cases actually hateful, to be vital to their workplace happiness, then yea they are being disrespectful dicks, and not all that mature to boot.
I suppose this is the main point of contention. You think we should tolerate all (and logically be able to make) any comments regardless of race, gender, life experiences, etc. I think when you're dealing with people from all walks of life you should act as politely as possible until you get to know them better cause not everyone thinks like you, and nothing says your way is objectively right.
As for the great thinkers who were also assholes, they were able to avoid dealing with social norms because they proved themselves with their abilities. Such people are exceptions, and not worth considering when trying to make millions of people productive all of whom have different genders, races, religions, sexualities, etc.
I'd argue acting like a bunch of stereotypes from MTV is the sign of childishness.
We're not children. We have legal and cultural institutions that says we don't have to deal with such shit in the work place. And while children of both genders may have to bow to the decisions of the group (or move), even children are told they should confront an annoying person or a bully and not just tolerate the bullshit. It's no different for adults.
What will proving your worth get you? You're still the one that's getting verbally slighted by the group. You'll soothe your annoyance towards with the group by reminding yourself you're the bestest of the bunch? You'll wait out for the chance of getting promoted and lording over the group? Neither is healthy if you don't like your cowokers. Grow a spine and go through channels if it turns out you have the moral and legal right to do so.
And if they all your coworkers acted this way, you'd still good naturally take the irritations? You won't be offended that the people who work with you can't even show a veneer of respect towards you and not treat you in manner you find offensive?
What exactly is so adult about ignoring someone who's being offensive? You seriously think being a guy who simmers quietly and has nothing but contempt, and anger towards his coworkers is a good thing? These are people you're going to have to interact with everyday. That mindset will not help you in any way.
Also, there seems to be a belief that the a work environment is somehow sacrosanct and shouldn't be altered. Why?
So if your co-workers made comments you find insulting, you'll be passive and not do anything? Not even tell them to shut up? I mean seriously, if a co-worker sneered at you for making a mistake and claimed "it's what we get for hiring a man to do a woman's job," you won't feel even the slightest desire to confront the mindset?
How is not complaining about your coworkers disrespecting you adapting to an environment? What exactly will you do if you leave out telling either your coworkers or your boss that people are being a bunch of unprofessional asses? Just simmer quietly and look for another job? That's hardly "manly" by any definition.
Yea, I agree the laws in question are rather pessimistic and assumes the worst of the employer. Then again, do you think getting rid of these laws and allowing employers to ask if you're a certain religion/ethnic group/political party/etc would be a good thing? That we'll have more cases of disruptive members of society being kept out of companies, instead of employers refusing to hire good people simply because the very notion of working with a homosexual/republican/whatnot is offensive?
When it come to your dislike for other group of people, you list more universally despised traits like being self-aggrandizing liars, and fanatics. What traits do you find equally offensive about gays when the thing most folks don't like to observe (sleeping with other men) is something you don't have to experience? Or is this a case where you don't like ANY display of homosexual affection? Or possibly you find the stereotypical mannerisms associated with gays offensive?
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So... your solution for needle anxiety is to tie them down beforehand and apply a bit of torture? Inducing medical problems would be inefficient when we invented so many ways to cause pain while inflicting minimal damage after all.
Well, those are certainly some reasons to use Linux from Scratch or Gentoo. However, you haven't given us any reasons not to use Linux Mint except the nebulous comment about "true traditional systems."
Perhaps you have different experience then I do , but in my experience, Asian parents don't shower their kids with praise unless the child is getting straight As in their academics, and even then it's not a surefire thing. Where are you getting this notion the culture in question inflates their kids ego?
Strange. Another thing I tend to hear about China (and all of Asia) is their schools are rather difficult compared to the West and many children have even more work because parents put them in multiple after school programs. Wouldn't that prep them for the "responsibilities and stresses of life?" At least as much as or more than academics does in our neck of the woods?
Thank you for the links, they were an interesting look at the fanbase. I'm not sure what you mean by par for course though. You mean they cut games that are profitable? They don't sell games that they no longer want?
Hi different Anon,
Face in this case could be defined as a positive social value a person has. Some Asian cultures put more value to this compared to other parts of the works and are not as likely to air their dirty laundry as a result. And if people see their dirty laundry, people are more likely to take some act to show remorse.
True, companies do thing that we'd consider strange all the time (whether what they did is actually strange is another story). But my issue with the Anon's post is he seems to be assuming that because Asians care about keeping up appearances more than other cultures it must be the reason they cut City of Heroes, and I find that logic dubious. NCsoft is a business, and they tend to prioritize making money over all else regardless of nationality after all.
Since you know where the information is, it'd help if you just shared a link instead of making me repeat your efforts. I'll read any links anyone posts here, but I'm not going go out of my way to look for evidence of something that I consider outlandish and unlikely.
An... interesting post, but I really must ask, where are you getting this information? Articles? Insider information? To be frank, the notion that a business would cut something profitable simply because they didn't accurately analyze their foreign market is somewhat difficult to accept automatically.
You'll want to look at the 5th paragraph a bit more closely.
"Sankey, of New Castle, kicked off his trip in New York on Sept. 9. He has until Sept. 23 to make it to Los Angeles as he barters the bacon that he's towing in a trailer."
Both Gordon and Chelle communicate through their actions. Make of that what you will.
Slashdot could make it impossible to edit your post if you get a moderation or a comment. It'd be better than nothing I think.
This is just my cynical side talking, and I certainly don't have any experience with international diplomacy, but I suspect nearly all of the foreign powers will merely be thinking; "UK did a dick move, but eh, getting their money is more important."
Am I correct in assuming you believe casual forms of racism/sexism/whatever should be tolerated? Possibly because you (as a possible white male) have to tolerate a bunch of shit that's arguably sexist/racist you think the others should too?
So, if someone were to say my computer is as annoying as a chink today (didn't hear that here but in South Korea, but that's another topic), it's ok so long as the person is not referring to a specific coworker? For a grayer example, what if the person is from a rather conservative background should they have to tolerate stereotypical High School antics and off color jokes especially when societal norms say otherwise? I'm not sure why you think productivity would be shot to hell if workers are told to keep their language PG.
Either way, I wouldn't worry too much about lawsuits in both cases. Typically someone will complain to the relevant person/group and the first case would be settled with a reprimand or firing. The second will probably merit no more than a stern reminder of company policies unless it keeps happening.
Yea, I mentioned talking to your boss/HR if you have a problem with a coworker.
You honestly can't understand why it's bad when people ignore trivial requests to be polite? You think there a pressing need for people to say whatever they want to people up to and including racial and gender slurs? Sigh... fine I don't think there's anything more I can say to convince you.
Oh for the love of... How about you play it safe and only talk about work maybe? Later, if you want, slowly push the envelope as you get to know your female coworker(s)? And of course, don't make any comments that could tie into race, gender, the usual crap.
Incidentally, people DON'T automatically sue when they're harassed. The courts demand some short of proof, and that actually involves first going to the boss and/or human resources and complaining.
And once again, I'd argue clinging to a mindset best left in High School to be even more childish. The group WILL have to learn to act professional sooner or later, so make them act like they're actually in a workplace and yea the vast majority will fit right in.
You'd classify telling your co-woker/boss that certain people are being offensive as "bickering?" I said nothing about arguing with people, and there usually isn't any bickering which I agree would be counter productive. First you tell ask your coworker to stop. If that doesn't work, you complain to a higher up. If the complaint is valid according to policy or the law, the offending party is simply told to stop. That's how adults deal with this. Being quiet is no different than a child tolerating a bully who thinks it's all good fun.
I'm not saying people who say things that are irritating (and goes against harassment policies) are automatically hateful. I'm saying if they consider a need to be crude, not PC, and in some cases actually hateful, to be vital to their workplace happiness, then yea they are being disrespectful dicks, and not all that mature to boot.
I suppose this is the main point of contention. You think we should tolerate all (and logically be able to make) any comments regardless of race, gender, life experiences, etc. I think when you're dealing with people from all walks of life you should act as politely as possible until you get to know them better cause not everyone thinks like you, and nothing says your way is objectively right.
As for the great thinkers who were also assholes, they were able to avoid dealing with social norms because they proved themselves with their abilities. Such people are exceptions, and not worth considering when trying to make millions of people productive all of whom have different genders, races, religions, sexualities, etc.
I'd argue acting like a bunch of stereotypes from MTV is the sign of childishness.
We're not children. We have legal and cultural institutions that says we don't have to deal with such shit in the work place. And while children of both genders may have to bow to the decisions of the group (or move), even children are told they should confront an annoying person or a bully and not just tolerate the bullshit. It's no different for adults.
What will proving your worth get you? You're still the one that's getting verbally slighted by the group. You'll soothe your annoyance towards with the group by reminding yourself you're the bestest of the bunch? You'll wait out for the chance of getting promoted and lording over the group? Neither is healthy if you don't like your cowokers. Grow a spine and go through channels if it turns out you have the moral and legal right to do so.
And if they all your coworkers acted this way, you'd still good naturally take the irritations? You won't be offended that the people who work with you can't even show a veneer of respect towards you and not treat you in manner you find offensive?
What exactly is so adult about ignoring someone who's being offensive? You seriously think being a guy who simmers quietly and has nothing but contempt, and anger towards his coworkers is a good thing? These are people you're going to have to interact with everyday. That mindset will not help you in any way.
Also, there seems to be a belief that the a work environment is somehow sacrosanct and shouldn't be altered. Why?
So if your co-workers made comments you find insulting, you'll be passive and not do anything? Not even tell them to shut up? I mean seriously, if a co-worker sneered at you for making a mistake and claimed "it's what we get for hiring a man to do a woman's job," you won't feel even the slightest desire to confront the mindset?
How is not complaining about your coworkers disrespecting you adapting to an environment? What exactly will you do if you leave out telling either your coworkers or your boss that people are being a bunch of unprofessional asses? Just simmer quietly and look for another job? That's hardly "manly" by any definition.
Yea, I agree the laws in question are rather pessimistic and assumes the worst of the employer. Then again, do you think getting rid of these laws and allowing employers to ask if you're a certain religion/ethnic group/political party/etc would be a good thing? That we'll have more cases of disruptive members of society being kept out of companies, instead of employers refusing to hire good people simply because the very notion of working with a homosexual/republican/whatnot is offensive?
When it come to your dislike for other group of people, you list more universally despised traits like being self-aggrandizing liars, and fanatics. What traits do you find equally offensive about gays when the thing most folks don't like to observe (sleeping with other men) is something you don't have to experience? Or is this a case where you don't like ANY display of homosexual affection? Or possibly you find the stereotypical mannerisms associated with gays offensive?