Just for reading the summary I can say this looks fishy. The latest Anroid release 4.4 was mainly dedicated to make Android run on smaller devices, adding tools to debug memory footprint, adding compresion of pages, sharing of things, etc. Google claims that now Android can run on a 512 MB device (which is fairly low end right now). And with ever decreasing memory prices is hard to imagine there's a place for a "lower than lower end" OS.
The "being open" reason is also not good enough. As a technology (i.e. removing Google services) Android is 100% free software. And the reason some telcos might want Firefox OS is to have a more closed environment which they can control.
Maybe Firefox could have been working to create its own Android fork, replacing Google service with Firefox services. That would be, IMO, much cooler.
You had said "shady law", now you talk about its merits. Now you recognize an "irregular adoption", but you had previously said "no evidence"... Let's stop this conversation... It's useless... ok? =/
The only reason you got modded up it's because you sounded interesting. Don't take advantage of people now knowing about Argentina to get karma.. =)
Just writing to point out the parent comment has loads of false information.
Some examples:
The new media law (which he chooses to describe as "shady") only puts anti-trust measures we didn't have here in Argentina. It has been praised by UN free speech "UN Special Rapporteur on the promotion and protection of the right to freedom of opinion and expression" Frank La Rue and by the NGO "Reporters Without Borders".
The bit about Ernestina Herrera's sons are also false. That's an old issue form before the government, and it has already been proved that the adoption was irregular. The media conglomerate owned by her has been blocking and stopping justics for more than 10 years. What the parent comment refers to is that the real parents have not been found yet (the "desaparecidos" (missing) bank is very incomplete, this is an ingoing thing). In any case, this is handled by courts, not by the government,
It's not honest to start a comment pretending to be "over the dispute", and then dump such biased bits of information...
The TOS "advertising providers" have to comply with are very very strict. I doubt Google will agree to things like these:
[...] upon request, the Advertising Provider agrees to provide Facebook the names of and contact information for any employees and/or contractors and to specify those employees and/or contractors involved in designing, targeting, serving advertising related products/services, or otherwise providing any services covered by this Agreement.
And Facebook would be able to "audit" Google for anything covered in the agreement:
Facebook reserves the right to audit the Advertising Provider for compliance with these terms.
And if anything goes wrong, Facebook already had decided the verdict of the trial:
The Advertising Provider agrees that any violation of these terms may result in an immediate ban from the Facebook Platform and all Facebook websites, products and services. The Advertising Provider acknowledges and agrees that a breach or threatened breach by the Advertising Provider of these terms would cause irreparable injury, that money damages would be an inadequate remedy,
The strange thing about this is that IPv6 and home routers are a perfect match. With IPv6 and automatic (or very easy) 6to4 configuration, home routers can provide access to inside machines (modulo firewall rules, of course) without using NAT. This means out-of-the-box support for your favorite P2P application. That could be a killer app for IPv6 (if you get IPv6 working you can download your torrent for many more places!). (Of course, there must be more 6to4 gateways as well for this to work properly)
You have all the moral crusaders, wannabe politics, religious zealots voting instead of the moderate peers, neighbours... Voting should be mandatory there as it is here in Argentina.
It really shows you don't know much about the new Argentine media law. Before the law, licenses were assigned by a government official, directly appointed by the president. Now, there is a commission, with some control by the opposition, and a formal public competition.
I do think the goverment is the "good guy" in this... (despite thinking this move wasn't smart, legitimate: yes, but not smart) What is your basis to say otherwise?
Here is like if there were only Fox News in the US... Terrible!
What's the need for offensive comments about other countries people? The kind of comments that are often the signature of a moron. Next time try to keep on the subject, without spitting insults and prejudice.
Yes, weird. Still, it's better for the people what they are doing now, not what they did before. The Multicanal-Cablevision merger is (was?) obviously a disaster for us consumers.
Not neutral. The new law is not “setting things up so that the Government alone chooses who gets a license and who doesn't”, that's propaganda. The new law is just an anti-monopoly law.
Besides, you have your facts wrong. They haven't been operating illegally for several years. Fibertel was "dissolved" on Jan 15th, and the government has been warning the company for some time now. What happened now is not surprise for anyone but the uninformed.
So, if I understand you correctly... the Kirchners help corporate friends, and group Clarín is a good and big company that Argentinians should be proud of. Yet, in help of "their corporate friends", the Kirchner are pushing antimonopolic laws.
This is the kind of schizofrenia created by media monopolies on weak minds... =)
Grupo Clarín owns the national major newspaper, and seems to control the 2nd major one. It owns TV channels in every town and city, and in many cities is the only cable operator. It controls the only newspaper paper plant in Argentina and uses prices to undermine other newspapers.
As I explained in another comment, this is really about the government trying to stop a new merger, because Clarin had acquired the 2nd largest cable company in Argentina. The govt rejected the merger, but Clarín went ahead and dissolved the company, creating for itself an illegal situation (because the ISP license belonged to the old comany, which is now dissolved).
We are here in very interesting times regarding the role of journalism, and the fight agains media giants...
This is part of the intention by the government to stop the merger of the two biggest cable providers. The merger has already been done, despite it being rejected ( http://www.buenosairesherald.com/BreakingNews/View/10918 ). The new merged company dissolved one of the parts, without getting the license to operate under the new company. So, now they are operating under a license belonging to a company which no longer exists.
The issue here is government vs media giants. Antimonopoly measures, which are common in developed countries, have a lot more opposition in non-developed countries, where economic interests go over the people's interest (yes, more than in the US =) ).
If ISP helped authorities on these things, there wouldn't be botnets, nor spam. Many attempts at preventing spam stop at their refusal to help. It would be nice to force them by lay to cooperate with spam fighting efforts. Sadly laws to force them to cooperate fighting "piracy" seem to pass easier..... =/
No, it's not just for your lan. Probably your router is doing 6to4 for you, so all of those IPv6 addresses are real, and can potentially be reached from outside (pretty cool! of course, it's surely controled by filtering in the router).
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Just for reading the summary I can say this looks fishy. The latest Anroid release 4.4 was mainly dedicated to make Android run on smaller devices, adding tools to debug memory footprint, adding compresion of pages, sharing of things, etc. Google claims that now Android can run on a 512 MB device (which is fairly low end right now). And with ever decreasing memory prices is hard to imagine there's a place for a "lower than lower end" OS.
The "being open" reason is also not good enough. As a technology (i.e. removing Google services) Android is 100% free software. And the reason some telcos might want Firefox OS is to have a more closed environment which they can control.
Maybe Firefox could have been working to create its own Android fork, replacing Google service with Firefox services. That would be, IMO, much cooler.
My hobby is to read the conservative/libertatian viewpoints on issues like this one with a Homer-US-stereotypical voice.
Drones, Badley Manning, Assange, Gitmo.... The US is a selective dictatorship.
Don't lie, please. It gets tired.
You had said "shady law", now you talk about its merits. Now you recognize an "irregular adoption", but you had previously said "no evidence"... Let's stop this conversation... It's useless... ok? =/
The only reason you got modded up it's because you sounded interesting. Don't take advantage of people now knowing about Argentina to get karma.. =)
Just writing to point out the parent comment has loads of false information.
Some examples:
The new media law (which he chooses to describe as "shady") only puts anti-trust measures we didn't have here in Argentina. It has been praised by UN free speech "UN Special Rapporteur on the promotion and protection of the right to freedom of opinion and expression" Frank La Rue and by the NGO "Reporters Without Borders".
The bit about Ernestina Herrera's sons are also false. That's an old issue form before the government, and it has already been proved that the adoption was irregular. The media conglomerate owned by her has been blocking and stopping justics for more than 10 years. What the parent comment refers to is that the real parents have not been found yet (the "desaparecidos" (missing) bank is very incomplete, this is an ingoing thing). In any case, this is handled by courts, not by the government,
It's not honest to start a comment pretending to be "over the dispute", and then dump such biased bits of information...
The TOS "advertising providers" have to comply with are very very strict. I doubt Google will agree to things like these:
And Facebook would be able to "audit" Google for anything covered in the agreement:
And if anything goes wrong, Facebook already had decided the verdict of the trial:
Intel found out antivirus are a good way to use processor time. Now they need to also hire some clandestine Russian virus programmer.. =)
The strange thing about this is that IPv6 and home routers are a perfect match. With IPv6 and automatic (or very easy) 6to4 configuration, home routers can provide access to inside machines (modulo firewall rules, of course) without using NAT. This means out-of-the-box support for your favorite P2P application. That could be a killer app for IPv6 (if you get IPv6 working you can download your torrent for many more places!). (Of course, there must be more 6to4 gateways as well for this to work properly)
FWIW I've been using in webpages for years...
This is another great victory for lawyers. =b
You have all the moral crusaders, wannabe politics, religious zealots voting instead of the moderate peers, neighbours... Voting should be mandatory there as it is here in Argentina.
It really shows you don't know much about the new Argentine media law. Before the law, licenses were assigned by a government official, directly appointed by the president. Now, there is a commission, with some control by the opposition, and a formal public competition.
You can read more about the media law in this site: (Spanish) http://www.leydemedios.com.ar/
(Of course, this Fibertel is not related with the media law)
I do think the goverment is the "good guy" in this... (despite thinking this move wasn't smart, legitimate: yes, but not smart) What is your basis to say otherwise?
Here is like if there were only Fox News in the US... Terrible!
Man, you should see a doctor... =)
What's the need for offensive comments about other countries people? The kind of comments that are often the signature of a moron. Next time try to keep on the subject, without spitting insults and prejudice.
Yes, weird. Still, it's better for the people what they are doing now, not what they did before. The Multicanal-Cablevision merger is (was?) obviously a disaster for us consumers.
Not neutral. The new law is not “setting things up so that the Government alone chooses who gets a license and who doesn't”, that's propaganda. The new law is just an anti-monopoly law.
Besides, you have your facts wrong. They haven't been operating illegally for several years. Fibertel was "dissolved" on Jan 15th, and the government has been warning the company for some time now. What happened now is not surprise for anyone but the uninformed.
Source: http://english.telam.com.ar/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9961:government-announces-end-of-fibertel-telecommunications-services-&catid=42:politics
Presidents come and go, but Grupo Clarín has been controlling national politics for decades from the shadow. It will be a good thing to see it go.
So, if I understand you correctly... the Kirchners help corporate friends, and group Clarín is a good and big company that Argentinians should be proud of. Yet, in help of "their corporate friends", the Kirchner are pushing antimonopolic laws.
This is the kind of schizofrenia created by media monopolies on weak minds... =)
Grupo Clarín owns the national major newspaper, and seems to control the 2nd major one. It owns TV channels in every town and city, and in many cities is the only cable operator. It controls the only newspaper paper plant in Argentina and uses prices to undermine other newspapers.
As I explained in another comment, this is really about the government trying to stop a new merger, because Clarin had acquired the 2nd largest cable company in Argentina. The govt rejected the merger, but Clarín went ahead and dissolved the company, creating for itself an illegal situation (because the ISP license belonged to the old comany, which is now dissolved).
We are here in very interesting times regarding the role of journalism, and the fight agains media giants...
This is part of the intention by the government to stop the merger of the two biggest cable providers. The merger has already been done, despite it being rejected ( http://www.buenosairesherald.com/BreakingNews/View/10918 ). The new merged company dissolved one of the parts, without getting the license to operate under the new company. So, now they are operating under a license belonging to a company which no longer exists.
The issue here is government vs media giants. Antimonopoly measures, which are common in developed countries, have a lot more opposition in non-developed countries, where economic interests go over the people's interest (yes, more than in the US =) ).
If ISP helped authorities on these things, there wouldn't be botnets, nor spam. Many attempts at preventing spam stop at their refusal to help. It would be nice to force them by lay to cooperate with spam fighting efforts. Sadly laws to force them to cooperate fighting "piracy" seem to pass easier..... =/
No, it's not just for your lan. Probably your router is doing 6to4 for you, so all of those IPv6 addresses are real, and can potentially be reached from outside (pretty cool! of course, it's surely controled by filtering in the router).
He created his webpage with Netscape 3.0, running on Windows 95. Wow.
That must be why his message is very short: Bad movies should be much more compressible... =)
Eww... I won't be travelling there soon....