>We get it. But how will it affect Samba? Well Samba will get the docs without royalties or other things that stop it producing GPL3 software. Also other people can have more confidence since the EU backs it.
It a mainstay of classic economic thought that competition is good and monopolies are bad, the classical definition of monopoly was actually 25%. The problem with having companies have more than that is that they start to wield control over the rest, their size allows them to game access to customers and suppliers.
You argument seems to stem from the misbelief that Operating System software is a competitive market and that Microsoft got to 90% by competing fairly. If so then you would be very wrong.
If you read today's judgement, you will see that Microsoft has regularly abused its' position by bundling, threats, bribes, agreements with OEMs and so on.
Operating Systems is not a competitive market at all, if you use Linux then you will know that the biggest problem is not Windows itself but the fact that it is so dominant. As soon as you use Linux you find that shops, ISPs, firms, manufacturers and so on treat you as a second class citizen. This needs to be broken for the social good.
The Court of First Instance's judgement, like the commission's before it, sees Samba as the means for competition, in the Work group server space (i.e. file servers, print servers, etc). All potential competitors to Microsoft are using Samba, (the commissions own research found that 98% of competing products in this space use Samba), so it is good that the commission and the CFI are keen to get the documentation from Microsoft in a form that open source projects such as samba can use.
Obscurity is a bigger problem than losing a bit of money. There is not really much difference between OpenOffice and StarOffice, only the tiny bits that are owned by other people, who do not want see their spellchecker or whatever open sourced.
I doubt to be honest that getting licences for StarOffice is the direct commercial motivation for Sun, it was cheaper to buy the StarOffice company than buy MS office software for all their workers, if it allows other people to use Solaris then all the better.
Disappointing because now you have turned an iPhone into a 2G version of the Nokia S60, why not just buy a 3G smartphone to start with and save all the trouble?
I personally am waiting for the OpenMoko Neo1973, comes with Python and these other things by default or a just few taps away through its package manager.
If someone did an ogg vorbis (just the sound) that would be good for us to listen to on the go, the main video file is 686.3 MB which would mean I would have to ditch a lot of stuff to get it on my rockbox.
Funnily enough for the first few seconds I read it as Intel computers, bit of a bad choice of abbreviation for a Tech website, next story will be "EU bans AMD", referring to acid mine drainage no doubt.
3 million is C of E Sunday attendance. If you go by the 2001 Census then you get this: "Just over 37 million people (72%) gave their religion as Christian", http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2756993.stm
Well the C of E is still a massive shareholder, so it could start by dumping the Sony stock and encouraging members to do the same. The remaining few million active members of the national church are relatively wealthy, so consumer boycotts could be devastating if 3 million rich people avoided the PS3, Blue-ray, Vaio etc. However, I doubt the C of E would be that bothered, there will probably be a compromise by this time next week.
>When it comes to opposing gun safety laws or gun control, the Bible is invoked without hesitation.
You are mixing up your countries. This is not America, this is a Church of England Cathedral. The Church of England is very much in favour of gun control, indeed as an Anglican myself I think one of the few great things Tony Blair did was outlaw handguns entirely (even the Olympic shooting team have to train abroad). Those who live by the gun, die by the gun.
The fact that crash handling system does not support Linux yet is not a big problem. I have used Linux distros for five years as my main system, and I use computers __a lot__ each day, and I never had a unrecoverable freeze-up or crash like in Windows, I have had other problems of course, but I have had never had Linux crash. I have also had Firefox instances open for weeks with no trouble.
No if they could make it look less ugly and more native on GNOME, that would be nice.
Exactly, Xandros do not really interact with the wider free/open-source community, so have nothing to lose by getting into bed with Microsoft. The thing is, Microsoft's patents are probably not the best, they got there pretty late in the game, and there are Patent Troll organisations with bigger piles of better patents. So getting the green light from Microsoft does not get you very far.
Redhat ditched the end-user desktop market because they knew that all the money is in servers. Linux, the kernel, and the GNU tools like GCC, Bash, etc, are not very new ideas at all, prior art is everywhere. The basic Linux server system is not that different from a 1970s Unix machine etc. So the only difference between the 1970s box and a Linux server is basically Apache which implements open web standards, etc, and networking stuff which was invented by Novell and other companies that are on the Linux train anyway.
Therefore, I cannot see how a patent lawsuit could do that much damage to the LAMP world, and in the Linux desktop there is no money anyway. Considering the recent Supreme court decision, I think Microsoft's patent lawyers are General Custer and the Indians having one last hurrah before the world moves on.
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>We get it. But how will it affect Samba?
Well Samba will get the docs without royalties or other things that stop it producing GPL3 software. Also other people can have more confidence since the EU backs it.
It a mainstay of classic economic thought that competition is good and monopolies are bad, the classical definition of monopoly was actually 25%. The problem with having companies have more than that is that they start to wield control over the rest, their size allows them to game access to customers and suppliers.
You argument seems to stem from the misbelief that Operating System software is a competitive market and that Microsoft got to 90% by competing fairly. If so then you would be very wrong.
If you read today's judgement, you will see that Microsoft has regularly abused its' position by bundling, threats, bribes, agreements with OEMs and so on.
Operating Systems is not a competitive market at all, if you use Linux then you will know that the biggest problem is not Windows itself but the fact that it is so dominant. As soon as you use Linux you find that shops, ISPs, firms, manufacturers and so on treat you as a second class citizen. This needs to be broken for the social good.
The Court of First Instance's judgement, like the commission's before it, sees Samba as the means for competition, in the Work group server space (i.e. file servers, print servers, etc). All potential competitors to Microsoft are using Samba, (the commissions own research found that 98% of competing products in this space use Samba), so it is good that the commission and the CFI are keen to get the documentation from Microsoft in a form that open source projects such as samba can use.
P.S. Shamless plug, I ranted a lot about this on my own site
Agreed, +1, mod parent up, etc..
Abiword rocks!
Indeed, not least because Word 2007 does not have a Linux version. Since I'm a Linux user, OpenOffice wins because the opponents never turned up.
Obscurity is a bigger problem than losing a bit of money. There is not really much difference between OpenOffice and StarOffice, only the tiny bits that are owned by other people, who do not want see their spellchecker or whatever open sourced.
I doubt to be honest that getting licences for StarOffice is the direct commercial motivation for Sun, it was cheaper to buy the StarOffice company than buy MS office software for all their workers, if it allows other people to use Solaris then all the better.
because they hate freedom?
More likely because it is better.
That's right, the biggest competitor for Windows Vista is the 80% of the market running Windows XP.
Server should be fine now, the first hour was a bit slow but the server was never really slashdotted in the proper sense.
Classic, how cool is that! No smoke yet! Anyhow, here is the mirror if you can't get through right now:
m andline.org.uk/2007/how-to-bring-down-internet-exp lorer-with-six-words/index.html
http://www.networkmirror.com/tQxFeWtOc31fVZfD/com
> What kind of package manager does it have? Is it Debian-based?
Yes, the openmoke has ipkg:
"Ipkg re-implements for embedded systems the Debian tools dpkg, apt, and apt-get."
Disappointing because now you have turned an iPhone into a 2G version of the Nokia S60, why not just buy a 3G smartphone to start with and save all the trouble?
I personally am waiting for the OpenMoko Neo1973, comes with Python and these other things by default or a just few taps away through its package manager.
VLC is just one player that can play Oggs, download it free here.
If someone did an ogg vorbis (just the sound) that would be good for us to listen to on the go, the main video file is 686.3 MB which would mean I would have to ditch a lot of stuff to get it on my rockbox.
Well iPhone is a 2.5G phone, in the 3G world, best not to touch it with a bargepole. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/03/stingy_att _iphone_network_snafu/
Didn't Linux move to America, statistically he is far more likely to be hit by a 4x4 or something.
I need a new phone, I thought about the iPhone, but decided to wait for the OpenMoko if it emerges, if not then I go for a Nokia smartphone.
Firstly, being stuck to the set provider is not very cool, secondly the other two phones are far more hackable for us open-source geeks.
Funnily enough for the first few seconds I read it as Intel computers, bit of a bad choice of abbreviation for a Tech website, next story will be "EU bans AMD", referring to acid mine drainage no doubt.
Well you can shout me the extra 200,000.
3 million is C of E Sunday attendance. If you go by the 2001 Census then you get this: "Just over 37 million people (72%) gave their religion as Christian", http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2756993.stm
Well the C of E is still a massive shareholder, so it could start by dumping the Sony stock and encouraging members to do the same. The remaining few million active members of the national church are relatively wealthy, so consumer boycotts could be devastating if 3 million rich people avoided the PS3, Blue-ray, Vaio etc. However, I doubt the C of E would be that bothered, there will probably be a compromise by this time next week.
Well don't forget that this is the Church of England, so it has a slightly different view of sacred space than an evangelical church or whatever.
> Sony are chattering in fear at the thought of ... the C of E
I am not sure, the C of E could threaten to show off the Nintendo Wii in 27,000 churches next Sunday.
>When it comes to opposing gun safety laws or gun control, the Bible is invoked without hesitation.
You are mixing up your countries. This is not America, this is a Church of England Cathedral. The Church of England is very much in favour of gun control, indeed as an Anglican myself I think one of the few great things Tony Blair did was outlaw handguns entirely (even the Olympic shooting team have to train abroad). Those who live by the gun, die by the gun.
The fact that crash handling system does not support Linux yet is not a big problem. I have used Linux distros for five years as my main system, and I use computers __a lot__ each day, and I never had a unrecoverable freeze-up or crash like in Windows, I have had other problems of course, but I have had never had Linux crash. I have also had Firefox instances open for weeks with no trouble.
No if they could make it look less ugly and more native on GNOME, that would be nice.
Exactly, Xandros do not really interact with the wider free/open-source community, so have nothing to lose by getting into bed with Microsoft. The thing is, Microsoft's patents are probably not the best, they got there pretty late in the game, and there are Patent Troll organisations with bigger piles of better patents. So getting the green light from Microsoft does not get you very far.
Redhat ditched the end-user desktop market because they knew that all the money is in servers. Linux, the kernel, and the GNU tools like GCC, Bash, etc, are not very new ideas at all, prior art is everywhere. The basic Linux server system is not that different from a 1970s Unix machine etc. So the only difference between the 1970s box and a Linux server is basically Apache which implements open web standards, etc, and networking stuff which was invented by Novell and other companies that are on the Linux train anyway.
Therefore, I cannot see how a patent lawsuit could do that much damage to the LAMP world, and in the Linux desktop there is no money anyway. Considering the recent Supreme court decision, I think Microsoft's patent lawyers are General Custer and the Indians having one last hurrah before the world moves on.