Whomever you are, you are way out of line with this entire conversation, from beginning in an anonymous public forum through the offensive language and vague accusations. If you would like to continue to make unsupported threats against my character and work ethic, then I welcome you to continue this thread, which I will no longer be taking an active role in.
If, however, you would like to discuss this in person, then as I have stated before, you are welcome to address your concerns to anyone in the administration, myself, or my supervisors.
For the record, I do retain all feedback, positive and negative and there are currently zero outstanding known lab issues.
This all doesn't matter. He paid for the book on his Kindle2. He was using that for his school work. Amazon deleted it. Amazon is totally wrong and needs to go to court.
This is why I won't buy a Kindle2.
I agree with you 100%. My point was just that no matter what the justification a lot of people can not afford litigation. Unfortunately justice almost always takes money in the US.
Really? I pity the poor African-American kid in Alabama who's parents can't afford to move. Of course, he/she is free to just stay at home and be home schooled (which will be self-study, as both parents have to work).
Parents being able to direct specific things like this have in the past and will in the future be abused, to the detriment of everyone in the class.
I disagree. What you are referring to is typically a single hot-button issue, e.g. school prayer, evolution, etc... After all is said and done each parent has the option to teach their child whatever they want. IMO part of the reason so many people take issue with this and believe the government should step in to "deal with the problem" is that there is a general belief these days that it's the school or state's job to raise children. It's the parent's responsibility and that needs to be taken more seriously. If someone does not want their child to learn creationism or evolution, it's not that hard to sit the little tyke down and have a conversation, read a book, etc...
I believe that ultimately having parents more involved with the education of their children is a good thing and should be encouraged.
it should be, and is, in the libertarian, green, or constitutionalists campaigns.
unfortunately the little bit of media attention to those parties is often on the loud, but small, minority of wackos in in order to maintain the current order.
I suggest you try saying that to my face, but I suspect you're posting under "anonymous coward" for a reason. If you truly have a concern then you should use the appropriate channels and not stalk people on the internet.
Since I, however, am writing in a public forum I'll say this: my office reports to the Dean and Department Chairs. That means that any and all concerns raised by those individuals are addressed immediately to ensure that everything is in top working order for the students and classes, which is what we are here to support. There are some who prefer to blame their own short comings on the technology, which is unfortunately an issue everywhere in the industry. It is not the job of IT in academia to educate students, it is to keep the machines in working order and assist faculty in educating students. There is a subtle distinction in that point and that is, unfortunately, where people like yourself thrive.
I completely agree. Now, do I need exactly half, or slightly more than half of all the parents of the students in a class to require that no mention of Darwin and his principles be mentioned at all in class? Or instead of 1984, I'd like some books that just happen to be published by the KKK to be required reading.
That's an argument to move your child to another classroom, school, or district, not to take away the rights of parents to determine how to their children are educated.
Everybody wants parental involvement and input, but only the involvement of parents that think like they do.
I certainly wouldn't generalize on this point -- I am a tax paying American so I assume I am part of "everyone". I welcome diverse opinions -- honestly, if everyone thought the same way I did then all of our kids would be educated to be network engineers. Our society thrives on diversity -- this is my primary argument FOR less government control of education. The government likes to enhance standardization (e.g. standardized tests and curriculum) while the individuals by definition enhance the differences between us and our individual strengths.
okay, okay, you got me there. I will still argue, however, that between the two (teachers and parents) it will be "more right" than if it's left up to a bureaucratic agency or politician somewhere.
*I* do not have a lab, my employer has one and though I provision accounts for it, I do not manage it.
It would appear that you are anonymous IRL as well since no one has made any suggestions or concerns to me there.
you know, now I have to wonder if perhaps it's really been someone from Target stealing my left socks all of these years?! it's all starting to make sense now...
Amazon didn't delete the file containing Gawronski's notes on the Kindle device. But since the book text "no longer exists, all my notes refer back to nothing,"
I would be surprised if you had ever been through a law suit. Generally speaking, it takes years and in the end only the lawyers get anything out of it.
yeah, I miss the day and age when buying something meant it was yours. These days you buy a "license" to use something and ownership stays with the content creator and his or her descendants for at least a hundred years.
he's either got a lawyer in the family or money (or likely both). i was plenty opportunistic growing up but we didn't have a dime to spend on litigation, no matter what the likelihood of success.
wow, totally did not expect to see a reference to Peoplesoft here. but seriously, peoplesoft sucks. not flaming, I can provide specific examples if the community deems it necessary. i expect, however, that most people who have been forced to use it will agree.
You seem to be indicating that this plan is for University owned Staff/Faculty/lab machines only. If this is the case, it's no different than standard business policy, and it's just good sense (why would it need to be mandated from on high?).
I did no such thing. The policy is for all devices connecting to the University network. As others have noted, students are free to not use the network if the policy bothers them. Naturally it does not need to be "mandated from on high", yet it is. Data exposures are a big deal in the public sector so we've been given a strict mandate.
GP thinks the plan you're implementing at your superior's request is for student-owned computers that they're using on campus. If that's true, then you'd be a wimp for not quitting when the Trustees planned a "let's roger the students" policy. You furthermore would be a fool for thinking "it's really not that big of a deal."
It's funny, but I've always considered myself as the one to stand up when I feel someone is being wronged or a policy violates someone's rights, but this argument is almost comical. You think it's a significant issue for a network to require a virus scan for access?? Students are not required to use the network and not required to have their own computers. If they want access, they are required to abide by very minimal policies and rules. No one is scanning their traffic, monitoring their e-mails, watching their every move. If they want to download porn or music or software that is their business. The mandate is to do the absolute least that is required to protect the University and the other network users. Would I chose NAC or CleanAccess necessarily if it were my decision? Probably not, but that doesn't make it a poor solution.
I don't know what industry (if any) you work in, but who the hell quits over something as insignificant as forcing a virus scan? If you aren't familiar with NAC, have a read.
You sir, are an ass for supporting this crud. No software should be required by the university on any students computer. If you want to do any checking and blocking, do it remotely with nessus as you mention.
While I appreciate your candor, name calling is certainly not necessary to get your point across.
As I explicitly mentioned in my response, "it's mandated by the Board of Trustees." The Ohio State Board of Trustees took it upon themselves to mandate a NAC solution to the "security problem". I apologize if I somehow alluded to it being my idea. We were told that we could either implement it or lose our jobs. You may have quit; I chose to do my job since honestly, it's really not that big of a deal. Everyone can do their work and everyone can use whatever OS they want, as the OP indicated.
My university(Ohio State), tried implementing similar policies last year. They rolled it out to some portion of the student population and said at the forefront that anyone running Mac or Linux was exempt.
As an IT employee at Ohio State, I can assure you that there is more of this in the pipeline since it's mandated by the Board of Trustees.
I can't see comparing what is going on at OSU with what the OP reports at CMU -- Ohio State's efforts to lock down the network and restricted data are quite comprehensive and IT staff, like you, are concerned that it's done properly. Mac/Linux support is on the way -- most vendors do not support it so it's quite difficult for the University to support it. The scanners they run on your computer are not there to look at your personal files, track down copyright infringement, or anything else you might be worried about -- they simply look for OS/software patches and run an anti-virus/malware scan. If you don't run the scan with the agent, you will not have any network access. If you take some of the suggestions here and bypass the security agent, you are violating the AUP and, if caught, could face academic misconduct charges.
I can assure you that the University's IT office is underfunded enough that even if they wanted to go out of their way to scan your computer for anything else (they do not), they would not be able to.
On a related note: Some how, when you connect to the residential network, they can detect some botnet signatures on your machine and will deny you access. Your mac address is blacklisted until you reformat. It runs some utility to make sure you actually have reinstalled before they restore your access.
This isn't magic -- they run typical network vulnerability scanners and block you if a virus or bot responds from your IP. DHCP and switch info tells them your mac address.
This is probably the reason Apple will not see Quo just as a manufacturer who will help popularize their OS.
That and the fact that Apple is a hardware company, which everyone seems to forget. OS X is built specifically to sell Apple computers. Apple != Microsoft, but since most consumers see the computer for the OS, it becomes OS X versus Windows instead of Apple versus HP or Apple versus Dell, which is the way Apple sees it. Why do you think they are so ready to advertise running Windows on your mac? They don't care if you don't use OS X, they just want you to buy their computers.
The same argument applies (arguably doubly so) to people running pirated copies of Windows.
Not really, no. Windows is designed to run on commodity hardware from any vendor. OS X is designed to run only on Apple hardware. In reality it's not at all the same thing.
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Whomever you are, you are way out of line with this entire conversation, from beginning in an anonymous public forum through the offensive language and vague accusations. If you would like to continue to make unsupported threats against my character and work ethic, then I welcome you to continue this thread, which I will no longer be taking an active role in.
If, however, you would like to discuss this in person, then as I have stated before, you are welcome to address your concerns to anyone in the administration, myself, or my supervisors.
For the record, I do retain all feedback, positive and negative and there are currently zero outstanding known lab issues.
Good day to you, sir.
This all doesn't matter. He paid for the book on his Kindle2. He was using that for his school work. Amazon deleted it. Amazon is totally wrong and needs to go to court. This is why I won't buy a Kindle2.
I agree with you 100%. My point was just that no matter what the justification a lot of people can not afford litigation. Unfortunately justice almost always takes money in the US.
Really? I pity the poor African-American kid in Alabama who's parents can't afford to move. Of course, he/she is free to just stay at home and be home schooled (which will be self-study, as both parents have to work). Parents being able to direct specific things like this have in the past and will in the future be abused, to the detriment of everyone in the class.
I disagree. What you are referring to is typically a single hot-button issue, e.g. school prayer, evolution, etc... After all is said and done each parent has the option to teach their child whatever they want. IMO part of the reason so many people take issue with this and believe the government should step in to "deal with the problem" is that there is a general belief these days that it's the school or state's job to raise children. It's the parent's responsibility and that needs to be taken more seriously. If someone does not want their child to learn creationism or evolution, it's not that hard to sit the little tyke down and have a conversation, read a book, etc...
I believe that ultimately having parents more involved with the education of their children is a good thing and should be encouraged.
it should be, and is, in the libertarian, green, or constitutionalists campaigns.
unfortunately the little bit of media attention to those parties is often on the loud, but small, minority of wackos in in order to maintain the current order.
I suggest you try saying that to my face, but I suspect you're posting under "anonymous coward" for a reason. If you truly have a concern then you should use the appropriate channels and not stalk people on the internet.
Since I, however, am writing in a public forum I'll say this: my office reports to the Dean and Department Chairs. That means that any and all concerns raised by those individuals are addressed immediately to ensure that everything is in top working order for the students and classes, which is what we are here to support. There are some who prefer to blame their own short comings on the technology, which is unfortunately an issue everywhere in the industry. It is not the job of IT in academia to educate students, it is to keep the machines in working order and assist faculty in educating students. There is a subtle distinction in that point and that is, unfortunately, where people like yourself thrive.
I completely agree. Now, do I need exactly half, or slightly more than half of all the parents of the students in a class to require that no mention of Darwin and his principles be mentioned at all in class? Or instead of 1984, I'd like some books that just happen to be published by the KKK to be required reading.
That's an argument to move your child to another classroom, school, or district, not to take away the rights of parents to determine how to their children are educated.
Everybody wants parental involvement and input, but only the involvement of parents that think like they do.
I certainly wouldn't generalize on this point -- I am a tax paying American so I assume I am part of "everyone". I welcome diverse opinions -- honestly, if everyone thought the same way I did then all of our kids would be educated to be network engineers. Our society thrives on diversity -- this is my primary argument FOR less government control of education. The government likes to enhance standardization (e.g. standardized tests and curriculum) while the individuals by definition enhance the differences between us and our individual strengths.
okay, okay, you got me there. I will still argue, however, that between the two (teachers and parents) it will be "more right" than if it's left up to a bureaucratic agency or politician somewhere.
*I* do not have a lab, my employer has one and though I provision accounts for it, I do not manage it. It would appear that you are anonymous IRL as well since no one has made any suggestions or concerns to me there.
Parents know better than the government. It should be between the teachers and parents, not the teachers and the State.
the more things change the more they stay the same
you know, now I have to wonder if perhaps it's really been someone from Target stealing my left socks all of these years?! it's all starting to make sense now...
Amazon didn't delete the file containing Gawronski's notes on the Kindle device. But since the book text "no longer exists, all my notes refer back to nothing,"
I would be surprised if you had ever been through a law suit. Generally speaking, it takes years and in the end only the lawyers get anything out of it.
yeah, I miss the day and age when buying something meant it was yours. These days you buy a "license" to use something and ownership stays with the content creator and his or her descendants for at least a hundred years.
.... or another reminder to make sure to add every possible clause to the EULA so the vendor can do whatever they like.
he's either got a lawyer in the family or money (or likely both). i was plenty opportunistic growing up but we didn't have a dime to spend on litigation, no matter what the likelihood of success.
We read that book in my HS english class as well. I'm surprised that you're surprised by that.
wow, totally did not expect to see a reference to Peoplesoft here. but seriously, peoplesoft sucks. not flaming, I can provide specific examples if the community deems it necessary. i expect, however, that most people who have been forced to use it will agree.
You seem to be indicating that this plan is for University owned Staff/Faculty/lab machines only. If this is the case, it's no different than standard business policy, and it's just good sense (why would it need to be mandated from on high?).
I did no such thing. The policy is for all devices connecting to the University network. As others have noted, students are free to not use the network if the policy bothers them. Naturally it does not need to be "mandated from on high", yet it is. Data exposures are a big deal in the public sector so we've been given a strict mandate.
GP thinks the plan you're implementing at your superior's request is for student-owned computers that they're using on campus. If that's true, then you'd be a wimp for not quitting when the Trustees planned a "let's roger the students" policy. You furthermore would be a fool for thinking "it's really not that big of a deal."
It's funny, but I've always considered myself as the one to stand up when I feel someone is being wronged or a policy violates someone's rights, but this argument is almost comical. You think it's a significant issue for a network to require a virus scan for access?? Students are not required to use the network and not required to have their own computers. If they want access, they are required to abide by very minimal policies and rules. No one is scanning their traffic, monitoring their e-mails, watching their every move. If they want to download porn or music or software that is their business. The mandate is to do the absolute least that is required to protect the University and the other network users. Would I chose NAC or CleanAccess necessarily if it were my decision? Probably not, but that doesn't make it a poor solution.
I don't know what industry (if any) you work in, but who the hell quits over something as insignificant as forcing a virus scan? If you aren't familiar with NAC, have a read.
You sir, are an ass for supporting this crud. No software should be required by the university on any students computer. If you want to do any checking and blocking, do it remotely with nessus as you mention.
While I appreciate your candor, name calling is certainly not necessary to get your point across.
As I explicitly mentioned in my response, "it's mandated by the Board of Trustees." The Ohio State Board of Trustees took it upon themselves to mandate a NAC solution to the "security problem". I apologize if I somehow alluded to it being my idea. We were told that we could either implement it or lose our jobs. You may have quit; I chose to do my job since honestly, it's really not that big of a deal. Everyone can do their work and everyone can use whatever OS they want, as the OP indicated.
I can see my sister running into the same problem. Did you, by chance, ask her if she also had LimeWire installed and running at startup?
My university(Ohio State), tried implementing similar policies last year. They rolled it out to some portion of the student population and said at the forefront that anyone running Mac or Linux was exempt.
As an IT employee at Ohio State, I can assure you that there is more of this in the pipeline since it's mandated by the Board of Trustees.
I can't see comparing what is going on at OSU with what the OP reports at CMU -- Ohio State's efforts to lock down the network and restricted data are quite comprehensive and IT staff, like you, are concerned that it's done properly. Mac/Linux support is on the way -- most vendors do not support it so it's quite difficult for the University to support it. The scanners they run on your computer are not there to look at your personal files, track down copyright infringement, or anything else you might be worried about -- they simply look for OS/software patches and run an anti-virus/malware scan. If you don't run the scan with the agent, you will not have any network access. If you take some of the suggestions here and bypass the security agent, you are violating the AUP and, if caught, could face academic misconduct charges.
I can assure you that the University's IT office is underfunded enough that even if they wanted to go out of their way to scan your computer for anything else (they do not), they would not be able to.
On a related note: Some how, when you connect to the residential network, they can detect some botnet signatures on your machine and will deny you access. Your mac address is blacklisted until you reformat. It runs some utility to make sure you actually have reinstalled before they restore your access.
This isn't magic -- they run typical network vulnerability scanners and block you if a virus or bot responds from your IP. DHCP and switch info tells them your mac address.
This is probably the reason Apple will not see Quo just as a manufacturer who will help popularize their OS.
That and the fact that Apple is a hardware company, which everyone seems to forget. OS X is built specifically to sell Apple computers. Apple != Microsoft, but since most consumers see the computer for the OS, it becomes OS X versus Windows instead of Apple versus HP or Apple versus Dell, which is the way Apple sees it. Why do you think they are so ready to advertise running Windows on your mac? They don't care if you don't use OS X, they just want you to buy their computers.
The same argument applies (arguably doubly so) to people running pirated copies of Windows.
Not really, no. Windows is designed to run on commodity hardware from any vendor. OS X is designed to run only on Apple hardware. In reality it's not at all the same thing.
such as Checkov saying "Wictor."
speaking of which... wouldn't the computers of the star trek time period understand russian??