virtually all ham radios, even the new ones with the tiny pitch SMT soldered components, come with schematics. I'm on a mailing list for the Yaesu FT-817and people have broken it open to swap out resistors to improve performance. Ham radio operators complain that nowadays we are just 'appliance operators': computer users haven't been experimentalists/hobbyists for the most part for 20+ years, although a few still do tinker. I wonder if it will come full circle someday and computers will be more of a hobbyist build, with schematics and more possibilities.
I'd possibly buy one for $400 but I wouldn't want the software that comes with it. I hope Bitfrost is disabled and you can flash an alternative OS onto it. Otherwise it's the Asus Eee PC for me. To be honest I really need something like these PCs. A normal laptop is too heavy, too expensive, too fragile to take on short breaks or travelling. These things fit the bill perfectly.
I got a Compaq for $350 a few weeks ago. 15" widescreen, NVidia accelerated graphics. Just over 5 pounds, feels sturdy in my hands. I use it to cart numbers between work/school/home as I work on my PhD. The XO weighs over 3 pounds and is worse in every techinical respect (processor, memory, hard disk space, drives, etc). Does 2 pounds really make or break portability to you?
Right now, every next-gen DVD I've seen costs about $30 new.
Walmart sells brand new release DVD's for $15-$20. I priced the 4 most recent releases (and 4 most recent pending releases) from IMDB.com and they all clocked in under $20, save for "Roots".
1. That's not NASA, that's ESA
2. They used **identical** hardware. The proposed system would use different hardware.
3. They didn't bound check a conversion from a 64bit to 16 bit.
4. The real killer - they were running unnecessary code. They didn't even need this bit of code, yet it had the power to take down the rocket.
The problem is (last I worked with it) the generated code is absolute garbage. Your variables are a, aa, ab, ac, ad, aaa, aab, aac, etc - no rhyme or reason to them. Functions do not have meaningful names. You can take that generated code and compile it against your project and hope to God it works, but if something doesn't work, you are virtually hopeless. No tweaking.
In other news, you don't pay yourself for the car you built, or the program you wrote either.
No, but your program is good and you are halfway competent; you can find customers who will gladly pay for your product.
Extending back to raising a family, I supposed you could 'sell' the services of your wife and child, but that makes you a pimp and your wife a whore, and what you would be doing to your children very, very illegal.
Bad analogy. I doubt anyone is going to pay you to take care of them.
On the other hand, some coders can actually get paid for the code they produce, because their code is worth the purchase...
Having used both on Windows and OO on Linux (and Office in a VM on Linux), I will say with 100% confidence under Windows I'd rather have Office, and under Linux I would rather have Office in a VM than OO natively. OO is slow, not just loading but in operation.
And that is what it boils down to. Faith. Faith is all that matters in the end.
I said within "the same timescale" Meaning there is no evidence that all those story point to contemporaneous events.
I put no words in your mouth as I acknowledged the time scale. If I need to speak more simply, let me know. I mentioned that Noah specifically is mentioned in several of the accounts, which would place the stories in the same frame of reference. How does mentioning the same man in several independent accounts across several continents not point to it being contemporaneous? Look at the time scales of the more major stories (did you even click the link I posted? there is a nice little table that goes bullet by bullet on the facts of each story side by side, and digging out the times isn't much harder). They occur at similar times in history. Again, major accounts point to it being in the same time frame of history. But don't take my word for it, please do your own research. A choice quote from someone who did, over a hundred years ago now: "... there are many descriptions of the remarkable event [the Genesis Flood]. Some of these have come from Greek historians, some from the Babylonian records; others from the cuneiform tablets, and still others from the mythology and traditions of different nations, so that we may say that no event has occurred either in ancient or modern times about which there is better evidence or more numerous records, than this very one which is so beautifully but briefly described in the sacred Scriptures. It is one of the events which seems to be familiar to the most distant nations--in Australia, in India, in China, in Scandinavia, and in the various parts of America. It is true that many look upon the story as it is repeated in these distant regions, as either referring to local floods, or as the result of contact with civilized people, who have brought it from historic countries, and yet the similarity of the story is such as to make even this explanation unsatisfactory." Stephen D. Peet, "The Story of the Deluge," American Antiquarian, Vol. 27, No. 4, July-August 1905, p. 203. (emphasis mine)
The conclusion of the whole thread, is that you have faith that the message was brought from gods to human (the human told you so), you have faith the message was unchanged (the human told you so), you have faith that was it insinde is to be interpreted litterally I guess (again even then, the human told you so, or you as human came to this conclusion). And the whole time, you choose to ignore that human like to make up stuff.
I do not ignore the fact that humans like to make up stuff. But it is kind of hard for forty-some humans (composers of the bible) over the course of several thousand years to make up stuff and make it agree, and not get noticed. (It's hard enough for 100 members of the senate to come to an agreement on simple issues!) Likewise, the accounts tend to agree with non-Christian historical accounts. Roman records jive with many of the accounts of the new testament. The foreign kings in the old testament - many are documented outside of the Bible, and the timescales match.
Again, you won't agree and that's fine. I respect your opinion. But I've addressed your concerns. I've addressed the fact that "humans make up stuff". Now I can choose to take it or leave it, and I choose to take it. I can't expect you to understand. Have a nice day.
XP loss upon death is the single most frustrating mechanic I've ever had to deal with in an MMO, and I'm insanely thankful that Blizzard abolished it.
Blizzard has used it before in Diablo. In fact in hardcore mode, you lose all your XP (and gear:) ). Read my reply here. I think death by XP might be even easier, time-wise, than the gold you have to pay to repair gear in WoW.
What you meant was Human said and wrote later that , "God manifested himself directly to Moses "...
No. That is not at all what I meant, nor is it what I said. Please, do not put words in my mouth. I completely understand what the grandparent was saying. He believes the bible is a grand story composed by humans.
Yes, the bible was written by humans. I don't deny it. Yes, the Bible was translated by humans. I don't deny it. However I believe that it is still the inerrant, inspired word of God. You can argue all you want that it was "changed... composed by HUMANS" but that doesn't change my opinion any more than me arguing in a seven-day creation period will change your belief in evolution. Faith is foolishness to the unbeliever.
Would you argue my faith is irrational? Sure. Again, Jesus himself said it is foolish to the unbeliever, and that he would "seperate father from son, mother from daughter" over religious disagreement. But I'd argue the same thing of anyone who 'believes' in evolution. You weren't there. You didn't see it. All you have are the accounts of humans (who didn't even see it, but are theorizing after the fact). Humans wrote, translated changed and composed the theory. See the parallel?
Another Major quibble : not all culture on earth report a global flood. Mostly only those locally around the Mediterranean See and red See.
No, patently false. Read the link I posted. The Chinese, Australian aborigines, Aztecs, the Ojibwe native americans in Minnesota, the Incas in South America, all have global flood stories closely paralleling Noah's flood, in some cases even mentioning Noah. (literature professor in college [secular] had this thing for flood stories... we spent a few weeks reading different cultural accounts, and most of them were about the same story.)
Yeah, we have the CIT200, only kink was I run Windows XP x64 and the drivers would explicitly **not** install on a 64 bit architecture:) installing on a 32 bit machine and coping the program files folder (manually setting the program to run at boot) works. Other than that, yea, works great.
Of course you wouldn't. That doesn't mean it's not true.
Of course. You don't know me, I can't expect you to accept my word.
Every single word in the Bible was written by a human. God himself didn't manifest before you and hand you a copy; a human did.
Minor quibble, God manifested himself directly to Moses on Mount Sinai. (And plenty of other times in the Old Testament, but I won't go off topic too far) And Jesus (who I and most Christians believe is true God) walked and talked with man and his words and actions were directly recorded in scripture.
Your belief that God used his divine power to preserve the accuracy of the Bible was also taught to you by a human (and, ultimately, cooked up by a human).
See above.
You simply cannot escape the element of human fallibility present in the Bible, and in all arguments made to it's final authority... In that light, what rational reason can you give me for believing that the (very strange) stories in the Bible (the ones about heaven, hell, superhuman powers, talking animals, and so on) are concretely and historically accurate?
Quite simply: the bible was written by fourty-some authors over several thousand years. The first author was Moses. The last authors were the apostles, after the death of Christ. And yet, over the span of several thousand years and tens of writers, all of their accounts stack up. No other spiritual book has been vetted over the course of history with so many corresponding, agreeing accounts. It also stacks up with local historical records from various groups.
Even if you can't wrap your head around the Bible being inerrant, there's no reason not to believe a lot of these events didn't occur. For example, the flood is a common reoccurring theme in many cultures. For example, the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Chinese classic "Hihking" and others. Virtually every culture has its own flood on a near global scale. Many old testament stories are shared between the Koran and the Hebrew bible (being in essence the Christian old testament, recategorized). So it is not difficult to believe these things occurred, as even multiple religions can come to some agreement on their existence!
I tried to use Skype in. The number they gave me wasn't in my LATA.
Hm. Don't know when you tried but as of about 6 months ago when you signed up, you got to pick your own phone number. We actually picked a number not in our local calling area because we wanted a certain string of letters:) And it doesn't matter because our parents have free long distance (it's long distance anyways, we live 1,000 miles away) and all our friends have cellular phones which is the same rate in the US.
amazingly enough, no mainstream church actually insists that its followers take the Bible literally, since they acknowledge that any possible divine revelations made within are colored by the point of view of the person doing the transcribing to paper and any subsequent translation from the original language
As a conservative Christian (Lutheran) who believes the Bible is the inspired word of God (I guess that would make me a literalist), I do believe every word in there. Creation, divinity of Christ, Real Presence of Christ in communion (not transubstantiation), etc. Like Limp Bizkit said, "you gotta have faaaaaith!" There are some things I can't explain, but I hold them to be true.
I wouldn't say my mind is closed. I have challenged my beliefs. I've left and I've returned. My mind is open but I keep coming back.
It's also really fun dealing with Mormons on "mission" and hopelessely brainwashed $cientologists.
Now there is a horse of a different color. My parents used to invite in Jehovah's Witnesses and have serious biblical discussions. It always ended the same way: some fatal flaw was picked out in the JW's doctrine, and they tend to get hostile, because there's nothing left, they don't have scripture to back them. Same with the Mormons. Camping one year with my grandfather (a retired pastor of many years) we had dinner with some nice mormons camping next to us who then decided to lay on the religion. He kept running in circles about how to attain salvation, he actually pulled out a sheet of paper and started drawing a diagram. It gets to be sad.
I use SkypeIn and SkypeOut, paid up for a year. For what my wife and I paid in cell phone bills for a month (2 phones), we now have home service for a year (we have a paid-by-the-minute phone for emergency purposes when traveling). Roughly $70 a year. I can't complain. We don't use free skype-to-skype calling because none of our friends/family use it yet.
Just wanted to let you know that we saved a ton of money on our phone bills by switching to Skype!
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With apologies to Bill Engvall.
How hard is it to click the Bugzilla entry?
Is you Compaq designed to take all sorts of abuse, and be able to withstand water and dust and such?
:)
For the average adult? Yea. I wasn't saying the XO should be replaced by a Compaq, I said for this particular user.
And yes, my two year old son spilled a cup of water on it two weeks ago. Still alive and kicking
And if you turn it the other way, it looks like an O with an X on its head.
:)
Or maybe John Madden was trying out as spokesman and had too much fun with the telestrator
virtually all ham radios, even the new ones with the tiny pitch SMT soldered components, come with schematics. I'm on a mailing list for the Yaesu FT-817and people have broken it open to swap out resistors to improve performance. Ham radio operators complain that nowadays we are just 'appliance operators': computer users haven't been experimentalists/hobbyists for the most part for 20+ years, although a few still do tinker. I wonder if it will come full circle someday and computers will be more of a hobbyist build, with schematics and more possibilities.
I'd possibly buy one for $400 but I wouldn't want the software that comes with it. I hope Bitfrost is disabled and you can flash an alternative OS onto it. Otherwise it's the Asus Eee PC for me. To be honest I really need something like these PCs. A normal laptop is too heavy, too expensive, too fragile to take on short breaks or travelling. These things fit the bill perfectly.
I got a Compaq for $350 a few weeks ago. 15" widescreen, NVidia accelerated graphics. Just over 5 pounds, feels sturdy in my hands. I use it to cart numbers between work/school/home as I work on my PhD. The XO weighs over 3 pounds and is worse in every techinical respect (processor, memory, hard disk space, drives, etc). Does 2 pounds really make or break portability to you?
I think so, Brain, but pantyhose are so uncomfortable in the summertime!
Right now, every next-gen DVD I've seen costs about $30 new.
Walmart sells brand new release DVD's for $15-$20. I priced the 4 most recent releases (and 4 most recent pending releases) from IMDB.com and they all clocked in under $20, save for "Roots".
It's nice of them to admit they are and be described as a one trick pony.
...
One hell of a pony
1. That's not NASA, that's ESA
2. They used **identical** hardware. The proposed system would use different hardware.
3. They didn't bound check a conversion from a 64bit to 16 bit.
4. The real killer - they were running unnecessary code. They didn't even need this bit of code, yet it had the power to take down the rocket.
The problem is (last I worked with it) the generated code is absolute garbage. Your variables are a, aa, ab, ac, ad, aaa, aab, aac, etc - no rhyme or reason to them. Functions do not have meaningful names. You can take that generated code and compile it against your project and hope to God it works, but if something doesn't work, you are virtually hopeless. No tweaking.
C# is what it would be like if they copied it [java].
:)
So... much improved and faster?
No, crappy analogy.
In other news, you don't pay yourself for the car you built, or the program you wrote either.
No, but your program is good and you are halfway competent; you can find customers who will gladly pay for your product.
Extending back to raising a family, I supposed you could 'sell' the services of your wife and child, but that makes you a pimp and your wife a whore, and what you would be doing to your children very, very illegal.
Again, I say, crappy analogy.
google=empire
Bad analogy. I doubt anyone is going to pay you to take care of them.
On the other hand, some coders can actually get paid for the code they produce, because their code is worth the purchase...
Having used both on Windows and OO on Linux (and Office in a VM on Linux), I will say with 100% confidence under Windows I'd rather have Office, and under Linux I would rather have Office in a VM than OO natively. OO is slow, not just loading but in operation.
Sure you can argue on faith, as you did.
And that is what it boils down to. Faith. Faith is all that matters in the end.
I said within "the same timescale" Meaning there is no evidence that all those story point to contemporaneous events.
I put no words in your mouth as I acknowledged the time scale. If I need to speak more simply, let me know. I mentioned that Noah specifically is mentioned in several of the accounts, which would place the stories in the same frame of reference. How does mentioning the same man in several independent accounts across several continents not point to it being contemporaneous? Look at the time scales of the more major stories (did you even click the link I posted? there is a nice little table that goes bullet by bullet on the facts of each story side by side, and digging out the times isn't much harder). They occur at similar times in history. Again, major accounts point to it being in the same time frame of history. But don't take my word for it, please do your own research. A choice quote from someone who did, over a hundred years ago now:
"... there are many descriptions of the remarkable event [the Genesis Flood]. Some of these have come from Greek historians, some from the Babylonian records; others from the cuneiform tablets, and still others from the mythology and traditions of different nations, so that we may say that no event has occurred either in ancient or modern times about which there is better evidence or more numerous records, than this very one which is so beautifully but briefly described in the sacred Scriptures. It is one of the events which seems to be familiar to the most distant nations--in Australia, in India, in China, in Scandinavia, and in the various parts of America. It is true that many look upon the story as it is repeated in these distant regions, as either referring to local floods, or as the result of contact with civilized people, who have brought it from historic countries, and yet the similarity of the story is such as to make even this explanation unsatisfactory." Stephen D. Peet, "The Story of the Deluge," American Antiquarian, Vol. 27, No. 4, July-August 1905, p. 203. (emphasis mine)
The conclusion of the whole thread, is that you have faith that the message was brought from gods to human (the human told you so), you have faith the message was unchanged (the human told you so), you have faith that was it insinde is to be interpreted litterally I guess (again even then, the human told you so, or you as human came to this conclusion). And the whole time, you choose to ignore that human like to make up stuff.
I do not ignore the fact that humans like to make up stuff. But it is kind of hard for forty-some humans (composers of the bible) over the course of several thousand years to make up stuff and make it agree, and not get noticed. (It's hard enough for 100 members of the senate to come to an agreement on simple issues!) Likewise, the accounts tend to agree with non-Christian historical accounts. Roman records jive with many of the accounts of the new testament. The foreign kings in the old testament - many are documented outside of the Bible, and the timescales match.
Again, you won't agree and that's fine. I respect your opinion. But I've addressed your concerns. I've addressed the fact that "humans make up stuff". Now I can choose to take it or leave it, and I choose to take it. I can't expect you to understand. Have a nice day.
But no one else knows it yet! what an idiot :P
XP loss upon death is the single most frustrating mechanic I've ever had to deal with in an MMO, and I'm insanely thankful that Blizzard abolished it.
:) ). Read my reply here. I think death by XP might be even easier, time-wise, than the gold you have to pay to repair gear in WoW.
Blizzard has used it before in Diablo. In fact in hardcore mode, you lose all your XP (and gear
in the land of two foot ewoks, the eight foot wookie is king?
What you meant was Human said and wrote later that , "God manifested himself directly to Moses "...
... composed by HUMANS" but that doesn't change my opinion any more than me arguing in a seven-day creation period will change your belief in evolution. Faith is foolishness to the unbeliever.
No. That is not at all what I meant, nor is it what I said. Please, do not put words in my mouth. I completely understand what the grandparent was saying. He believes the bible is a grand story composed by humans.
Yes, the bible was written by humans. I don't deny it. Yes, the Bible was translated by humans. I don't deny it. However I believe that it is still the inerrant, inspired word of God. You can argue all you want that it was "changed
Would you argue my faith is irrational? Sure. Again, Jesus himself said it is foolish to the unbeliever, and that he would "seperate father from son, mother from daughter" over religious disagreement. But I'd argue the same thing of anyone who 'believes' in evolution. You weren't there. You didn't see it. All you have are the accounts of humans (who didn't even see it, but are theorizing after the fact). Humans wrote, translated changed and composed the theory. See the parallel?
Another Major quibble : not all culture on earth report a global flood. Mostly only those locally around the Mediterranean See and red See.
No, patently false. Read the link I posted. The Chinese, Australian aborigines, Aztecs, the Ojibwe native americans in Minnesota, the Incas in South America, all have global flood stories closely paralleling Noah's flood, in some cases even mentioning Noah. (literature professor in college [secular] had this thing for flood stories... we spent a few weeks reading different cultural accounts, and most of them were about the same story.)
Yeah, we have the CIT200, only kink was I run Windows XP x64 and the drivers would explicitly **not** install on a 64 bit architecture :) installing on a 32 bit machine and coping the program files folder (manually setting the program to run at boot) works. Other than that, yea, works great.
Of course you wouldn't. That doesn't mean it's not true.
Of course. You don't know me, I can't expect you to accept my word.
Every single word in the Bible was written by a human. God himself didn't manifest before you and hand you a copy; a human did.
Minor quibble, God manifested himself directly to Moses on Mount Sinai. (And plenty of other times in the Old Testament, but I won't go off topic too far) And Jesus (who I and most Christians believe is true God) walked and talked with man and his words and actions were directly recorded in scripture.
Your belief that God used his divine power to preserve the accuracy of the Bible was also taught to you by a human (and, ultimately, cooked up by a human).
See above.
You simply cannot escape the element of human fallibility present in the Bible, and in all arguments made to it's final authority... In that light, what rational reason can you give me for believing that the (very strange) stories in the Bible (the ones about heaven, hell, superhuman powers, talking animals, and so on) are concretely and historically accurate?
Quite simply: the bible was written by fourty-some authors over several thousand years. The first author was Moses. The last authors were the apostles, after the death of Christ. And yet, over the span of several thousand years and tens of writers, all of their accounts stack up. No other spiritual book has been vetted over the course of history with so many corresponding, agreeing accounts. It also stacks up with local historical records from various groups.
Even if you can't wrap your head around the Bible being inerrant, there's no reason not to believe a lot of these events didn't occur. For example, the flood is a common reoccurring theme in many cultures. For example, the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Chinese classic "Hihking" and others. Virtually every culture has its own flood on a near global scale. Many old testament stories are shared between the Koran and the Hebrew bible (being in essence the Christian old testament, recategorized). So it is not difficult to believe these things occurred, as even multiple religions can come to some agreement on their existence!
I tried to use Skype in. The number they gave me wasn't in my LATA.
:) And it doesn't matter because our parents have free long distance (it's long distance anyways, we live 1,000 miles away) and all our friends have cellular phones which is the same rate in the US.
Hm. Don't know when you tried but as of about 6 months ago when you signed up, you got to pick your own phone number. We actually picked a number not in our local calling area because we wanted a certain string of letters
amazingly enough, no mainstream church actually insists that its followers take the Bible literally, since they acknowledge that any possible divine revelations made within are colored by the point of view of the person doing the transcribing to paper and any subsequent translation from the original language
As a conservative Christian (Lutheran) who believes the Bible is the inspired word of God (I guess that would make me a literalist), I do believe every word in there. Creation, divinity of Christ, Real Presence of Christ in communion (not transubstantiation), etc. Like Limp Bizkit said, "you gotta have faaaaaith!" There are some things I can't explain, but I hold them to be true.
I wouldn't say my mind is closed. I have challenged my beliefs. I've left and I've returned. My mind is open but I keep coming back.
It's also really fun dealing with Mormons on "mission" and hopelessely brainwashed $cientologists.
Now there is a horse of a different color. My parents used to invite in Jehovah's Witnesses and have serious biblical discussions. It always ended the same way: some fatal flaw was picked out in the JW's doctrine, and they tend to get hostile, because there's nothing left, they don't have scripture to back them. Same with the Mormons. Camping one year with my grandfather (a retired pastor of many years) we had dinner with some nice mormons camping next to us who then decided to lay on the religion. He kept running in circles about how to attain salvation, he actually pulled out a sheet of paper and started drawing a diagram. It gets to be sad.
I use SkypeIn and SkypeOut, paid up for a year. For what my wife and I paid in cell phone bills for a month (2 phones), we now have home service for a year (we have a paid-by-the-minute phone for emergency purposes when traveling). Roughly $70 a year. I can't complain. We don't use free skype-to-skype calling because none of our friends/family use it yet.
Just wanted to let you know that we saved a ton of money on our phone bills by switching to Skype!