This is exactly how to handle the few calls that slip through. The US national do not call list works and the individual state do not call lists work. I am on both. They cut my calls drastically. When I do receive calls I follow this script nearly to the T. I add that I will be contacting my state legal offices as well as federal. I don't get any repeat calls.
Start talking about the law or even just sound knowledgeable and they don't want to talk to you. They want easy sales - don't be an easy sale. A hang-up, air-horn, being rude, etc.. simply don't work. Your number will stay in their database and some other "phone-cube nube" will call you, in a week, month, sometime. Take the time to talk to them and make them remove your number.
You are right. Pulling IT industry into the rural areas will be their salvation. Getting IT to rural areas to begin with will be the challenge. Most of the true rural areas lose their population because the young people go to college and don't come back because there are no jobs for them so they move to areas where they have a job market. If we could get IT to move into the area at least some of those graduates would move back after college. Keeping more of the younger generation in the local area can't be anything but good in the long run.
Very few people move to rural area unless they have already retired or have a strong personal reason, such as I had. I was simply lucky enough to find a job in my field where I wanted to live. Otherwise, I would either have a long daily commute or be working in, shall we say, a non-technical field?:)
I still have high hopes for this area drawing IT business in. I have no doubt that the manpower is available even if they were forced to commute. I say this as I know several other IT professionals in the state who daily commute 50+ miles. Commuting isn't just for IT people; many people commute the same distance, if not more, just to have work. I have a cousin that has had a 70+ mile commute for over 20 years just to have a job. Sad but true.
I agree in full. I live in my small rural hometown. It took my two years of job swapping to get back but I'm glad I did. My pay is very good for the area but laughable compared to larger urban areas. I have one of the very few IT jobs in the county much less the city.
I have proposed your idea several times to the city council - to look for just the type of business you are describing. We have the power grid and data lines to handle many IT companies but the city has been reluctant to pursue them because many of the "locals" don't have the education to support an IT business. I would love to see an IT company move in bringing their own people to get a foothold in rural america, it would give the graduating students something to come home to other than manual labor. Rural america is a GREAT place to live IF you don't have to have the convenience of "big city life". I have lived in the city as well. I just don't like the high price of convenience both in dollars and safety. In the city we had to keep everything we owned locked 24/7 and after what looked like an episode of "COPS" in front of our house one night ( and we lived in a nice area ) - it was time to move.
Living in the country we have our own home, property, clean air, an excellent school system, no gangs and low crime. Drugs we do have but I challange anyone anywhere, outside an Amish communty, to say that they don't.
Hogwash. Our local school district is currently blocking over 98 million IP address's from the major SPAM countries and nearly 100,000 IP's in the USA.This is in addition to the regular virus/SPAM filter. Gov/Edu institutions can block/filter SPAM. If they don't it's by choice or by lack of resources/trained personnel. With the amount of Porn/Drug/etc SPAM today it could be argued that it would be/is illegal to NOT filter/block it. In addition, all it would take is one Porn SPAM to reach one student and the school could be liable in a lawsuit for allowing that student, a minor, access to "adult material". Ludicrous? Maybe. Possible? Definitely.
If they do go belly-up I can't see it being anything but a good thing. Novell comes out on top, the other lawsuits are moot since SCO no longer exists - and we never have to hear about this ***** again.
Hey, I love a good one when they deserve it and retaliation is not only legal but expected.... I guess the meanest thing I have done was to switch a jokers windows shell from explorer to solitaire.
and as the resident Geek, with admin rights I'm assuming - what did YOU do?
No login?
wrong mapppings?
sporadic re-boots?
password changes?
default to sol.exe instead of windows?
slashdot is the only page he can access?
change all files to read-only?
Escort said A-Hole to the door with pink slip in hand?
This is an old argument. "If I can I will and I shouldn't be punished for doing it."
Sounds like 4 year olds trying to get out of trouble with the parents. Just because you have the ability/opportunity does NOT mean you have the right or that it is "OK" to do it. It's nothing but an argument trying to justify an action that the user knew to be wrong/illegal in the first place.
Pirating, by any freakin' name you want to call it, is illegal. Pure and simple. For fun or for profit. Doesn't matter. You can debate the "morals" of it till your fingers bleed but it will not change the facts. Fairness,Justice and Lofty Morals have nothing to do with the legal system. It is a mean, cold, hard world with harsh realities. Such as: Other people have rights too! Not just YOU. ( see 4 year old above )
If you don't like it - too bad. Deal. There are lots of laws that I don't agree with but I don't go out breaking them because of it. Go and try getting it changed instead of just crying about getting punished for doing something you knew you shouldn't be doing in the first place. Milk is free. Smokes are free. Gas is free. Everything is free - till you get caught. ( See 4 year old above )
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This is exactly how to handle the few calls that slip through. The US national do not call list works and the individual state do not call lists work. I am on both. They cut my calls drastically. When I do receive calls I follow this script nearly to the T. I add that I will be contacting my state legal offices as well as federal. I don't get any repeat calls.
Start talking about the law or even just sound knowledgeable and they don't want to talk to you. They want easy sales - don't be an easy sale. A hang-up, air-horn, being rude, etc.. simply don't work. Your number will stay in their database and some other "phone-cube nube" will call you, in a week, month, sometime. Take the time to talk to them and make them remove your number.
You are right. Pulling IT industry into the rural areas will be their salvation. Getting IT to rural areas to begin with will be the challenge. Most of the true rural areas lose their population because the young people go to college and don't come back because there are no jobs for them so they move to areas where they have a job market. If we could get IT to move into the area at least some of those graduates would move back after college. Keeping more of the younger generation in the local area can't be anything but good in the long run.
:)
Very few people move to rural area unless they have already retired or have a strong personal reason, such as I had. I was simply lucky enough to find a job in my field where I wanted to live. Otherwise, I would either have a long daily commute or be working in, shall we say, a non-technical field?
I still have high hopes for this area drawing IT business in. I have no doubt that the manpower is available even if they were forced to commute. I say this as I know several other IT professionals in the state who daily commute 50+ miles. Commuting isn't just for IT people; many people commute the same distance, if not more, just to have work. I have a cousin that has had a 70+ mile commute for over 20 years just to have a job. Sad but true.
Good luck with your move!
I agree in full. I live in my small rural hometown. It took my two years of job swapping to get back but I'm glad I did. My pay is very good for the area but laughable compared to larger urban areas. I have one of the very few IT jobs in the county much less the city.
I have proposed your idea several times to the city council - to look for just the type of business you are describing. We have the power grid and data lines to handle many IT companies but the city has been reluctant to pursue them because many of the "locals" don't have the education to support an IT business. I would love to see an IT company move in bringing their own people to get a foothold in rural america, it would give the graduating students something to come home to other than manual labor. Rural america is a GREAT place to live IF you don't have to have the convenience of "big city life". I have lived in the city as well. I just don't like the high price of convenience both in dollars and safety. In the city we had to keep everything we owned locked 24/7 and after what looked like an episode of "COPS" in front of our house one night ( and we lived in a nice area ) - it was time to move.
Living in the country we have our own home, property, clean air, an excellent school system, no gangs and low crime. Drugs we do have but I challange anyone anywhere, outside an Amish communty, to say that they don't.
My 2 cents.
Hogwash just seemed appropriate.
The point of my post was not the number of blocked addresses but that Gov/Edu CAN block SPAM if they chose to do so.
PS: Nope.
--GD
Hogwash.
Our local school district is currently blocking over 98 million IP address's from the major SPAM countries and nearly 100,000 IP's in the USA.This is in addition to the regular virus/SPAM filter. Gov/Edu institutions can block/filter SPAM. If they don't it's by choice or by lack of resources/trained personnel. With the amount of Porn/Drug/etc SPAM today it could be argued that it would be/is illegal to NOT filter/block it. In addition, all it would take is one Porn SPAM to reach one student and the school could be liable in a lawsuit for allowing that student, a minor, access to "adult material". Ludicrous? Maybe. Possible? Definitely.
If they do go belly-up I can't see it being anything but a good thing. Novell comes out on top, the other lawsuits are moot since SCO no longer exists - and we never have to hear about this ***** again.
Hey, I love a good one when they deserve it and retaliation is not only legal but expected.... I guess the meanest thing I have done was to switch a jokers windows shell from explorer to solitaire.
and as the resident Geek, with admin rights I'm assuming - what did YOU do? No login? wrong mapppings? sporadic re-boots? password changes? default to sol.exe instead of windows? slashdot is the only page he can access? change all files to read-only? Escort said A-Hole to the door with pink slip in hand?
This is an old argument. "If I can I will and I shouldn't be punished for doing it." Sounds like 4 year olds trying to get out of trouble with the parents. Just because you have the ability/opportunity does NOT mean you have the right or that it is "OK" to do it. It's nothing but an argument trying to justify an action that the user knew to be wrong/illegal in the first place. Pirating, by any freakin' name you want to call it, is illegal. Pure and simple. For fun or for profit. Doesn't matter. You can debate the "morals" of it till your fingers bleed but it will not change the facts. Fairness,Justice and Lofty Morals have nothing to do with the legal system. It is a mean, cold, hard world with harsh realities. Such as: Other people have rights too! Not just YOU. ( see 4 year old above ) If you don't like it - too bad. Deal. There are lots of laws that I don't agree with but I don't go out breaking them because of it. Go and try getting it changed instead of just crying about getting punished for doing something you knew you shouldn't be doing in the first place. Milk is free. Smokes are free. Gas is free. Everything is free - till you get caught. ( See 4 year old above )