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World's Fastest Inkjet Printer?

An anonymous reader writes "Brother Industries has just demonstrated what they say is the world's fastest inkjet printer. The prototype uses a revolutionary new static head array to achieve amazing speeds of around 150 full colour pages per minute."

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  1. Next Slashdot Story... by bc90021 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    "World's Most Over-Used Headline Cliche"... ;)

  2. Road Runner! by B5_geek · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Wow, it must be fast.

    Nothing for you to see here. Please move along.

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    1. Re:Road Runner! by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      The we server also only prints 150 pages a minute.

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  3. Re:I beat 150 color pages in one minute once by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 2, Funny

    Obviously not the world's fastest troll, are you? Second post? For shame, man!

  4. So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who'd win in a race between the inkjet and the hacker?

    1. Re:So? by LegendOfLink · · Score: 3, Funny

      LOL! Yes, it would seem that today there is a "running theme", Slashdot style.

      For those of you who still don't get it:

      World's Biggest Hacker Held

      followed immediately by...

      World's Fastest Inkjet Printer?

    2. Re:So? by norminator · · Score: 1

      LOL! Yes, it would seem that today there is a "running theme", Slashdot style.

      For those of you who still don't get it:

      World's Biggest Hacker Held [slashdot.org]

      followed immediately by...

      World's Fastest Inkjet Printer? [slashdot.org]
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  5. time-space tradeoff by tomstdenis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In terms of engineering this ain't nothing new. You can do multiplication in O(1) space and O(n^2) time or O(1) time and O(n^2) space [well it's actually O(lg N) time ... but who's counting].

    It's a cool idea [can't RTFA cuz of slashdotting] since a lot of home users use inkjet.

    Now all they have todo is make ink cartridges that hold more than 9mL of ink... 9mL does ~300 sheets, a 50mL would be more than enough for a home office then....

    Tom

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    1. Re:time-space tradeoff by graphicsguy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It may be possible to set up a continuous ink system . I know, for example, that inksupply.com offers continuous flow ink systems that use some tube connections to feed the cartridge directly from bottles of ink. (but they currently only support Epson)

    2. Re:time-space tradeoff by Blastrogath · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Now all they have todo is make ink cartridges that hold more than 9mL of ink... 9mL does ~300 sheets, a 50mL would be more than enough for a home office then....

      If you're concerned about ink then try something like this continuous ink flow system. You can buy ink in 4oz to 32oz bottles with one of these, that's up to 946ml. It's pretty much an ink IV drip for your printer.

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    3. Re:time-space tradeoff by Malc · · Score: 1

      "Now all they have todo is make ink cartridges that hold more than 9mL of ink"

      And maybe a way to prevent the ink drying out forcing you to replace the cartridge after a certain length of time even if you haven't used it. I have a B&W HP LaserJet 1100. I haven't replaced the toner and drum since I bought it Feb 2000 (lightly used obviously). I'm pretty sure I've almost reached the limit on the number of sheets of paper it can print... but that's five years of value. The only thing I ever want to print in colour at home are my photos, and I'll go and get them done at a proper place. Ink jets? No thanks! I definitely made the right choice five years ago when I paid the small premium for a laser printer.

    4. Re:time-space tradeoff by tesmako · · Score: 1
      In terms of engineering this ain't nothing new. You can do multiplication in O(1) space and O(n^2) time or O(1) time and O(n^2) space [well it's actually O(lg N) time ... but who's counting].

      What? How is this in any way relevant to making printers? Or are you really arguing that we can in general do anything arbitrarily fast with a trade-off in another area?

    5. Re:time-space tradeoff by Eugene · · Score: 1

      what kept me away from installing something like that is I'm afraid after I spend money and install the system, the company that provide the supplies (ink, tube..) will go out of business(which render the rig useless after current supply exhausted) and since my printing volume isn't *that* great, I'll just bite the bullet and use 3rd party inks..

    6. Re:time-space tradeoff by WillerZ · · Score: 1

      Generally I would say you can do pretty much anything in O(1) time given sufficient other resources.

      Consider the task of optimal path finding in a graph -- you can do that in O(1) for any journey if you have precomputed the optimal path for all possible pairs of nodes in advance. Of course this costs a lot of space and a lot of preparation time.

      Factoring 1024-bit RSA keys? Prepare a table mapping all possible 1024 bit numbers to their factors and use a simple array lookup - O(1).

      The problem is that this approach becomes impractical very very quickly.

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    7. Re:time-space tradeoff by BluEyeZ · · Score: 2, Informative

      For those of you just juicing for a pic, you can see it at Engadget

      D

    8. Re:time-space tradeoff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't do anything in O(1) (or O(lg N)) time and O(n^2) space! The time it takes to use your O(n^2) of space means your time is already at O(n^2).

    9. Re:time-space tradeoff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An 8x8 bit multiplication product can be calculated in several cycles using additions and bit-shifts. At the cost of larger and more complicated circuitry, an 8x8 bit multiplication can be performed in a single cycle.

      Likewise, at the cost of more hardware, a print head that spans a page's width can print more in the same given time as a small print head.

    10. Re:time-space tradeoff by Fareq · · Score: 1

      I've had very poor performance with the one off-brand ink-set I used...

      I had an epson C84 printer... brand new... when the came-with-the-printer inks ran out, I bought some 3rd party ones...

      Two problems... the ink smelled -- like rotten eggs. You could smell it if a printed page was on the desk, and you were standing two feet away. Other problem was worse: clogged the "high-quality" but non-replaceable printheads in the printer. So I had to buy a new printer... went with a cannon because their 1st-party ink is cheaper. (a little, anyway)

    11. Re:time-space tradeoff by phaelium · · Score: 1

      HP uses continuous flow ink systems for its larger designjet printer series, for large CAD drawings and posters and stuff.

    12. Re:time-space tradeoff by modecx · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Pretty much all large commercial inkjets use this. HP's are kind'a stupid in that they use it, but the ink still comes in (pretty expensive) cartridges.

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    13. Re:time-space tradeoff by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Nothing says objective government like a weekend on the "Gates the third" yacht...

      Or "weekend in the Hamptons or Martha's Vineyard with a parade of celebrities and entertainment industry big wigs." Oh wait, that was the previous administration. You'd prefer a government that didn't know or ever spend any non-talk-show time with people from the country's huger industries, employers, exporters, and investment vehicles? Better if congress or the executive branch just live in the basement like a bunch of slashdotters? No, I'd rather that elected officials spend time with farmers and agro-CEOs, musicians and music moguls, chemists and biotech venture fund managers, day laborers and bank presidents, actors and studio execs, soccer moms and football stars. But politicians that don't have any sort of relationship (personally) with the people that run the countries largest businesses are going to be clueless about some key issues.

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    14. Re:time-space tradeoff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With static print heads it should be trivial to setup a continuous system.

    15. Re:time-space tradeoff by epine · · Score: 1

      For the graph problemm it takes O(log N) steps to clock out the log N bit address to access your ziggabit memory device. It's a stupid method of counting to begin with. A ziggabit-1 memory cells sit idle, yet it gets accounted as one operation.

      O notation has but one great virtue: it helps to detect those among us who are quickest to depart from common sense.

    16. Re:time-space tradeoff by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      Um, not true. First off, the fan time at the very least could be done as a tree structure. so the MOST you'd spend seeding n^2 inputs is log_2n^2 or 2log_2n ...

      Second, for reasonable sized domains you can seed all n^2 inputs simultaneously. E.g. an 8x8 multiplier [as another poster brought up]. No reason why you can't compute it as a 16x8 ROM [for all it matters]. That's a whopping 64KB of space. Big deal.

      Third, we're talking O() here so the constant that is the speed of electrons in a conductor is NOT COUNTABLE.

      Tom

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    17. Re:time-space tradeoff by graphicsguy · · Score: 1
      I've got a cheap Epson stylus color 777. The fact is, the epson print heads clog all the time, regardless of the ink, especially if you do not print frequently enough. One trick that works sometimes (besides running the head cleaning over and over again), is to clean the heads, let it sit for a few hours, and then repeat. This apparently gives the clogged ink a bit of time to dissolve or loosen.

      Anyhow, I've used the inks from inksupply.com with good results. I think if you plan to use third party inks, you should use a brand that has a good reputation in online forums (e.g., alt.comp.periphs.printers), and not just the absolutely cheapest price (it is still MANY times cheaper than buying new cartridges).

    18. Re:time-space tradeoff by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      Extremes make good arguments they do not.

      My point is the prime minister of Canada shouldn't host a party when Bill is in town unless he has something to say to the NATION. Otherwise it's just more "rich people having a good time on the tax payers dime".

      Tom

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    19. Re:time-space tradeoff by LoudMusic · · Score: 1

      Now all you need to do is get that in a 10 gallon jug! Pr0n as far as the eye can see ... (:

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    20. Re:time-space tradeoff by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      It has other uses. It is effective when you blur the lines [e.g. not omitting all constants]. This is afterall how you find the cutoff between comba and Karatsuba multiplication [and I imagine it comes up quite a bit in non-linear optimizations].

      Tom

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    21. Re:time-space tradeoff by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Well, there is a pretty long standing tradition of hosting state dinners and other events and making influential or high-profile people some of guests. I didn't pick up on your Canadian-ness, but I'm assuming you'd say the same thing about, say, Gary Trudeau, or someone in an idealogical camp opposed to, say, Bill's?

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    22. Re:time-space tradeoff by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      What does Gates have to say to our PM [or the american President] that couldn't be said over a 5 minute telephone call?

      At least if the PM was meeting with a political ideologist there stands a chance of having the politician educated a bit of the newer trends in society.

      Of course you know what else you to be tradition? Anti-union work and slavery... but we dropped that. Why can't we drop this annoying class system. You're elected prime minister not king, act like an employee of the government!!! ... well act better than that... ;-)

      Tom

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    23. Re:time-space tradeoff by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Well, then you'd have to say the same thing about every meeting of every head of state or significant politician. Anything substantial is already being talked about by their subordinates, so there's no point in the new PM of France meeting with the president of Spain, or the newly elected Iraqi president meeting with the newly elected Afghani president.

      At least if the PM was meeting with a political ideologist there stands a chance of having the politician educated a bit of the newer trends in society.

      But why wouldn't you include people who own or run large businesses in that group? Many of them are directly responsible for a lot of what's changing, or have their finger on the pulse of it (otherwise they lose customers). Bill Gate's personal experience with "society" would be just as interesting to me as would Gary Trudeau's, or that of the guy that owns the gas station down the street. Except, guy that owns the gas station doesn't pay billions in taxes, or, in a single day, make business decisions that can impact thousands of jobs in countless industries around the world.

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    24. Re:time-space tradeoff by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      Because I'm sure when the PM and Gates meet, the economic welfare of Canada is the FURTHEST thing on their minds.

      Tom

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    25. Re:time-space tradeoff by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Come on, now. Do you really think that MS doesn't have a LOT to do with the productivity of Canadian business, schools, and households, one way or another? MS has a huge business presence there in the form of their many VARs and partners who consult on everything from networking to accounting systems... believe me, none of them want Canada to be inhospitable to MS (or to SAP, or to Oracle, or anyone else that provides critical IT tools and services).

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    26. Re:time-space tradeoff by tesmako · · Score: 1
      The 1024 bit factoring table is physically impossible in this solar system since there are no means to store that much data, plus that it is impossible to actually enumerate all numbers [1, 2^1024] even if we were able to use all the energy output by the sun in the remainder of its lifetime to do it.

      So I don't find the comment terribly valid, even though one could argue that it is still possible by some hypothetical future technology it is still not the best argument I have heard why a printer that has actually been built and tested is uninteresting.

      It it not even about practibility, these things are huge enough to come down to theorethical tractability (though some people stubbornly refuse to tie the theory of computability to physics it is really a good measurement to consider the limits imposed by quantum mechanics).

    27. Re:time-space tradeoff by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      I know, for example, that inksupply.com offers continuous flow ink systems that use some tube connections to feed the cartridge directly from bottles of ink. (but they currently only support Epson)

      There is much more support for Epson CIS systems than Canon. The only place outside of e-bay that sold CIS canon kits was www.colorbat.com. They stopped making the "Canon Weasel Widget" because, "I'm simply tired of trying to deal with folks who buy things, can't figure out how to use them, and then want their money back". Canon is more ideal to the DIY than Epson.

      -Epson cart Deutch-
      http://www.enderlin-direkt.com/spa/modules.php?op= modload&name=News&file=article&sid=33

      Those interested may checkout these pages
      http://www.colorbat.com/constructiontips.htm
      http://www.neilslade.com/Papers/inkjetstuff7.html

      http://www.colorbat.com/cfsparts.htm
      http://www.inksupply.com/cfsparts.cfm

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    28. Re:time-space tradeoff by shokk · · Score: 1

      Now, if only people produced that much paper that was worth reading instead of just printing out their email or a PDF they could have read at the monitor.

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    29. Re:time-space tradeoff by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      Two problems... the ink smelled -- like rotten eggs. You could smell it if a printed page was on the desk, and you were standing two feet away. Other problem was worse: clogged the "high-quality" but non-replaceable printheads in the printer. So I had to buy a new printer... went with a cannon because their 1st-party ink is cheaper. (a little, anyway)

      I buy MIS inks, i've used roughly 4oz of each color in my Epson r200. They do not smell like rotten eggs. In all fairness I must say my head clogged. But given the fact that I spent $60.00 on ink the equilivent of over 9 OEM replacements which could have cost over $675 in stores. But on the other hand, the Epson started to on the first set of OEM carts, they heads I do believe clog at a drop of a hat, and I believe the refillable carts I bought were at fault. And final printer failure was due to diaper overflow, the waste tube comming loose, the head pad being nocked out of place, and a very annoying tendancy to spit ink in any old place on powerup.

      Needless to say I also went with a Canon after this experence. At least with the Canon you "could" replace the head or printer if need be, and the cost savings is very much justified. With Epson, you could just replace the printer and the cost would be justified.

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    30. Re:time-space tradeoff by coopex · · Score: 1

      You don't seem to understand the big O notation.
      O(1) time means for *any* size input it's a constant time operation, likewise, O(lgN) scales as the log, and so on. So if you were trying to make a constant time multiply, you'd need an infinite lookup table, which does tend to present a slight engineering challenge. For factoring keys, sure you could just use a 2^1024 bit lookup table, but the big O notation would be used on the factoring algorithm for a general purpose n digit number, which would be something like O(e^(n)).

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  6. Heat Exchange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exactly how much heat would be produced by spitting out 150 pages per minute... Enough to set the whole thing on fire?

    1. Re:Heat Exchange by stecoop · · Score: 1

      150 ppm / 60 = 2.5 pages per second
      2.5 * 11 inches (normal paper) = 27.5
      27.5 (inches per second) = 1.5625 miles per hour

      Paper can move around at 1.5 miles per hour no problem.

    2. Re:Heat Exchange by danheskett · · Score: 1

      That's for damn sure.. Xerox makes commerical printers that can easily print 180ppm, and other manufacturers do roll-feed printers that can produce sheets far faster than that.. depending on the models and whatnot you'd be looking at somewhere around 15-20k sheets/hr, or, 250 ppm.

  7. Drivers by Dorf+on+Perl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does it have a Linux driver? Yeah, Canon, I'm looking at you.

    1. Re:Drivers by orderb13 · · Score: 1

      I highly doubt it. None of the Brother products have Linux drivers. At least no drivers that are from Brother. It might have an OSX driver though, there are a couple of products that are floating around that have those.

    2. Re:Drivers by meringuoid · · Score: 5, Funny
      Does it have a Linux driver?

      Well, if it does, and printing at that speed, we might finally get some use out of the classic error message 'lp0 on fire'...

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    3. Re:Drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your information is outdated. I was pleasantly surprised when I went looking. Brother do have OS X support for some printers and/or scanners, and likewise for Linux.

    4. Re:Drivers by orderb13 · · Score: 1

      I said that Brother has OSX drivers for some products. As far as Linux drivers, apparently I'm wrong, but you know, I just looked at the database that held all the information for driver support, and no where in there is there anything for Linux. Wonder how they're being supported. None of the techs here are trained to give support under Linux, so I guess it is outsourced somewhere else.

    5. Re:Drivers by rg3 · · Score: 1

      Nice time to use one of those Unix fire extinguishers :).

      http://www.cs.bris.ac.uk/~henkm/extinguisher.html

    6. Re:Drivers by whovian · · Score: 1
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    7. Re:Drivers by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      Does it have a Linux driver? Yeah, Canon, I'm looking at you.

      I look at Canon
      Canon looks back at me
      ftp://download.canon.jp/pub/driver/bj/linux/
      I look back at you and shrug

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  8. And yet... by theGreater · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...to prove how insanely great the print quality is on this thing, the author of said article provides a very lossy jpeg scan as evidence. Having said that, if they can get 600x600 at > 100 PPM, I'm all in.

    -theGreater.
    1. Re:And yet... by timeOday · · Score: 1
      Look at it this way - the print heads aren't moving over the paper much faster than in a traditional ink jet! Watch how fast your printhead shoots left to right. Now imagine it was covering a whole page with every swipe! That's what this baby does.

      What impresses me is the form factor of the prototype - it looks like a pretty normal SOHO printer. I assumed it would be more like IBM's commercial printers, which are the size of refrigerators and are fed by 4 foot rolls of paper.

    2. Re:And yet... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
      to prove how insanely great the print quality is on this thing [...]

      ...they decided to print page 31 of "Swinging Pad Magazine" (August '73 edition). Remember when people thought those colors were attractive and the turn of the (previous) century was all the rage? All that photo needs is a picture of a bowl-cutted kid wearing Tuff-Skins and a Zoom shirt.

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  9. Very bad in a printing accident. by CyricZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Speeds like that can be disasterous during a printing accident. Recently in the office a young secretary accidentally printed out (on one of our 75 pages/min printers) numerous copies of a document around 400 pages in length. Thankfully it was just black-and-white text, rather than colorful images.

    In any case, it took her a full two minute to realize her mistake, and another four or five minutes to figure out how to stop the print job. By that time she had printed off about 500 worthless pages.

    When it comes to these machines, printing mistakes can be costly and difficult to deal with. It's unfortuante that many of these printers can hold 5000+ pages of paper. While convenient, it is just screaming for disaster!

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    1. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by brokencomputer · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah. I heard that cars which go more than 5 mph may be bad when people accidently crash into each other. I think all cars with a max speed of more than 5 mph should be taken off the road since people have accidents.

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    2. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by Eric+Giguere · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but it's just paper and ink. It's not like you're accidentally engaging in friendly fire...

      Eric
    3. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by Little+Brother · · Score: 1

      Is the airbus A380 a bad plane because an operator mistake would kill more people?

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    4. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by CyricZ · · Score: 0

      It's not bad. It's dangerous.

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    5. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by nanoakron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Are you on drugs? Can't you tell the guy you replied to is using a ridiculous analogy to outline the fallacies of his parent post?

      It's called humour/sarcasm. Get it?

    6. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by LithiumX · · Score: 1

      That's a very archaic way of thinking. If cars didn't go over 10 km/h then people would never get where they wanted to go, and people would never drive them. It's all about supply, demand, and market forces, my good man.

      Personally, I'm not so sure this Horseless Carriage thing will last very long. They're stinky, they're noisy, dangerous, and a disturbance to the peace. Good Godfearing people have no need to triapse across town, when they can just go to their local General Store.

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    7. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Only if you let a secretary fly it!

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    8. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by NinjaFarmer · · Score: 1

      The difference between an Airbus A380 and an inkjet printer is that the Airbus has a team of engineers dedicated to keeping you safe, while the printer has a single secretary who probably isn't paying attention to it.

      If something goes wrong with the plane, 99% of the time someone will notice. If something goes wrong with the printer, 99% of the time no one will notice for a while.

    9. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It's called humour/sarcasm. Get it?

      I believe the post to which you were replying was also attempting to apply some of that "humour/sarcasm" stuff. In a dead pan, British, sort of way.

    10. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you on drugs? Can't you tell the guy you replied to is using a ridiculous analogy to outline the fallacies of his parent post?

      Don't you get that the comment you replied to was using the same stupid rhetorical trick?

      That's the problem with ridiculous analogies, it's hard for people to decide which point you are trying to make.

    11. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 5, Funny
      While convenient, it is just screaming for disaster!

      For sufficiently small values of "disaster."

      disaster |di.zast.r| noun
      1. a sudden event, such as an accident or a natural catastrophe, that causes great damage or loss of life.
      2. Accidentally printing off a bunch of pages.

    12. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      There are two sure and certain ways to stop a runaway printer dead in its tracks. Method One is to forcibly deprive it of paper. Method Two is to forcibly deprive it of electricity.

      NB, either way will create headaches for someone else to deal with. I really wonder that printers -- especially fast ones -- don't have a proper Emergency Stop device which, when operated, aborts the current job, ejects the half-finished page and starts swallowing all data {just flashing a light to indicate characters being received} until reset.

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    13. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well perhaps the problem should be fixed at its source: Printers should respond to stop commands! They should have a prominent, red "stop" button, and when you click "cancel" on your Windows print job, it should actually work instead of freezing your computer and failing to do anything. I don't understand how it can be so hard to produce a printer driver that gives timely, correct status updates and actually responds to user commands in a timely manner.

    14. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by advocate_one · · Score: 1
      it doesn't help that on Word 97 (which is still probably in the majority in most offices), the print icon is right next to the save icon... a disaster waiting to happen...

      I know... I missed once and had a 500 page document print out and spool to the very fast network printer before I knew what the f had happened... the cancel button wasn't available for very long... and I'd already gotten up to go for a pee...

      I now make a point of removing the print icon from all toolbars I come across if it's next to the save one... the only way I can print now is via the menu or from the print preview...

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    15. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by rahlquist · · Score: 1

      Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool....

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    16. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by iamhassi · · Score: 1
      "Yeah. I heard that cars which go more than 5 mph may be bad when people accidently crash into each other. I think all cars with a max speed of more than 5 mph should be taken off the road since people have accidents."

      I once went the wrong way and didn't realize it for 20 miles. If my gas tank had only been, say, 23 ounces instead of 23 gallons I would have ran out of gas after about 3 miles, then I might have realized my mistake earlier and not wasted allllllll that gasoline.

      They really need to fix that.

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    17. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by Dashing+Leech · · Score: 1
      "Method One is to forcibly deprive it of paper. Method Two is to forcibly deprive it of electricity."

      I've always wondered why printers don't seem to come with emergency stops, even if in software. Canceling a print job is pretty useless for making it stop. It needs to be something that stops it immediately. I have used Method One a variety of times and Method Two a few times. Even after that, it can still take 5-10 minutes to convince the printer to not start printing it again from memory when it starts back up.

    18. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I really wonder that printers -- especially fast ones -- don't have a proper Emergency Stop device

      How are they going to sell you more paper and ink, then?

    19. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

      Ever see what happens to an old impact line printer when a line feed loop happens, and paper goes right to the ceiling and empties the box before you can hit the power key?

    20. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by alexhs · · Score: 2, Funny

      That sorts of accidents are happening because someone disabled Clippy, else something like what follows would have happened :

      It seems you are trying to print. Are you sure ?
      It seems you want to print a document lenghtier than 10 pages. Are you sure ?
      It seems you want to print more that five copies of it. Are you sure ?
      I'm going to print 4000 pages now. Is that OK ?
      Aren't you just keeping to click on the 'Yes' button ?

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    21. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 1
      In any case, it took her a full two minute to realize her mistake, and another four or five minutes to figure out how to stop the print job. By that time she had printed off about 500 worthless pages.

      Instead of stopping the print job, she should have first stopped the printer, either by turning its power switch off, or pulling the plug. Or, remove the paper tray.

      Then, without paper spewing out, she could take her time figuring out how to convince the computer not to resume printing that job when the printer is turned back on.

    22. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by Guru2Newbie · · Score: 1

      Brother printers (and some others IIRC) have a red Job Cancel button that kills the current job.

    23. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > it doesn't help that on Word 97 (which is still probably in the majority in most offices), the print icon is right next to the save icon... a disaster waiting to happen...

      Use the keyboard. The 's' and the 'p' are on opposite sides of most keyboards. And when you hit ctrl-p, it doesn't automatically print, you have to hit enter from the print dialog.

      You can also move icons on the toolbar, yunno.

    24. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by RetroGeek · · Score: 1

      When it comes to these machines, printing mistakes can be costly and difficult to deal with.

      I was working with a guy on a mainframe system. We had a really large database containing all of our installation records.

      The procedure was: set up a filter, then print. The print job would apply the filter and print out the matching records.

      Well one day he forgot to set up a filter. So he invokes the print job. He then goes over the the mainframe printer (one of those really large IBM printers, about 10 feet long). No output. So he prints it again. Still no output. Ok, he goes for lunch.

      About two hours later, the mainframe operators deliver a full pallet of paper. That's right, he printed off the ENTIRE database. Thousands of records, each using 1-2 pages.

      We quietly put the paper into the recycler :-))

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    25. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by denbesten · · Score: 1

      Trick # 1 with runaway printers is to remove the paper. Easy to explain; easy to understand and works on everyting (even macs :-). This would have saved you about 300 of the worthless pages.

    26. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why and where you keep/place your
      old 10mb hubs.

    27. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      That's a very archaic way of thinking. If printers didn't hold over 5000 pages, then people would never print what they wanted to print, and people would never use them. It's all about supply, demand, and market forces, my good man.

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    28. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by kleinux · · Score: 1

      Unlike paper, gasoline is free, so the analogy doesn't apply...

      *ducks*

    29. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by afidel · · Score: 1

      Since when is $250 a disaster? (I'm assuming $.05/page which is probably a bit high for a b&w high volume printer.) A business disaster is sending out 1,400 incorrect demo packs weighing a couple pounds a piece because your DBA f'd up the recipient database. Sure you don't want it to happen all the time, but if someone prints an extra couple hundred pages it's not going to sink a business which can afford the printer in the first place. Heck think of all the laptops that end up full of coffee, you can buy a heck of a lot of prints for what that one mocha late cost =)

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    30. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by hurfy · · Score: 1

      All the old laserjet 5's i buy off ebay have a cancel button. Most used button on the printer ;)

      I am glad i picked a printer and keep getting them.
      For one thing you only have to explain how to use em once to both people and the computers :)

      My 1st thought on this was how do i change ink cartridges every 60 secs tho.

    31. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by mikael · · Score: 1

      You should read "The Exploding Metropolis" by the editors of Fortune Magazine in the 1950's, just before the suburbs started forming. My favourite quote:

      "If married couples weren't so determined to spend such a large proportion of their salaries on refrigerators, they could afford to shop at the local stores much more frequently".

      And the quote about trains:

      All this talk of passenger trains moving at forty miles an hour is sheer hogwash! At that speed, the air in a passenger compartment would all be forced against the back wall. People in the front of the car would suffocate, and people at the back would die because in such concentrated air, they wouldn't be able to expel a breath.

      Not forgetting the Earth's rotation:

      People like Galileo and Copernicus who say the earth is rotating must be crazy. We know the earth can't be moving. Why, if the earth was really turning once every day, then our whole city would have to be moving hundreds of leagues in an hour. That's impossible! Buildings would shake on their foundations. Gale-force winds would knock us over. Trees would fall down. The Mediterranean would come sweeping across the east coasts of Spain and Italy. And furthermore, what force would be making the world turn.

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    32. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by Scorchio · · Score: 1

      Coming to a cinema near you this summer...

      Bruce Willis and a rag-tag team of one-armed, lesbian basket weavers bravely try to save the world when a covert government agency accidently sends thirty copies of the same huge postscript document to a printer, which for unknown reasons decides to parse the entire lot as plain text.

    33. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by Simarilius · · Score: 1

      that and one kills people if it gos wrong, and one wastes paper...

    34. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      What I did was remove the 'autoprint' icon and replace it with the 'regular print' icon, ie. a print dialog shows up when you click it instead of immediate printing. Dunno why MS thought the latter was a good idea.

    35. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by HardCase · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'm not so sure this Horseless Carriage thing will last very long. They're stinky, they're noisy, dangerous, and a disturbance to the peace. Good Godfearing people have no need to triapse across town, when they can just go to their local General Store.

      Damn right! And I'll you what, I hate having to clean that nasty carshit off of my shoes every day!

    36. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by HardCase · · Score: 1

      This is why and where you keep/place your
      old 10mb hubs.


      Yes, because at 10 millibits per second, you'll have plenty of time to stop the print job before it gets out of hand!

      -h-

    37. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with turning the thing off or unplugging it? That'll cancel the job in 3min. @ 75ppm = 125 pages is all.

    38. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by HD+Webdev · · Score: 1

      Speeds like that can be disasterous during a printing accident. Recently in the office a young secretary accidentally printed out (on one of our 75 pages/min printers) numerous copies of a document around 400 pages in length. Thankfully it was just black-and-white text, rather than colorful images.

      And, badly written applications can cause accidents regardless of how knowledgeable a person is.

      It was common for people at a place I worked to print old invoices for various reasons. Even though the system was rock solid UNIX, the invoice retrieval application didn't take into account that people might accidentally reverse 'print invoices 100405-100410' to 100410-100405 and end up printing invoices starting at 100410 and wrapping around to 100405.

      The system started printing 12 years worth* of vehicle and sales invoices the first time someone made that mistake.

      Thank goodness I had routed those print jobs to the set of slow dot matrix printers instead of the set of laser or ink-jet printers otherwise it would have been an extremely expensive mistake.

      *Yes, there are many reasons to keep records that old available for vehicles

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    39. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by darkonc · · Score: 1
      A long time ago, a friend of mine wanted to print 100 copies of a rather popular (but fun and silly) document that she and a friend had created in high school. This was at the University of Alberta, and at the time the standard printer was a Xerox 9700 laser printer that did 2 sheets/ second. It was about the size of a skinny station wagon.

      She asked around for how to get 100 copies of her 10 page article, and got two answers. Silly girl uses both methods. The next day she went to the computer room to pick up her print job, and they couldn't find it... "It's rather big" she says naievely. Somethink clicks "oh... that print job" says the clerk. He dissapears for a couple of seconds, and comes back with a 5000 page case box of paper. Then another... and another....

      100x100x10= 100,000 pages, but since it was printed double-sided, it was only 10 cases of paper. She had friends using cases of paper as balast for winter driving.

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    40. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by rfunches · · Score: 1

      I can see it now...a big red button on the printer labeled "STOP". And when you hit it alarms go off.

    41. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by FlynnMP3 · · Score: 1

      That topic strikes me as something DNA would say.

      Printer 'accidents' are nothing compared to what they were of yesteryear. You haven't lived till you have seen the hilarity of newbie printer operators trying to cope with a printout that is causing the mainframe band printer to beep constantly, shoot out paper with form feeds, suck some of it back in with reverse form feeds, print out patterned streams of characters so the print head sounded like it was stripping gears (they were trained to listen for that sound), and finally print out GOTCHA!! in huge ASCII block letters. All in the span of about 30 seconds. Nearly gave 'em a heart attack every time.

      Oh those were the days. Bwahahahahah.

    42. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by rwise2112 · · Score: 1

      "I really wonder that printers -- especially fast ones -- don't have a proper Emergency Stop

      How would that be funny?

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    43. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by orasio · · Score: 1

      lprm
      lprm
      lprm
      lprm
      (or cancel jobs, on windows)

      Then, turn off printer.
      Then, remove parallel port connector.

      Re-attach parallel port connector.
      Turn computer on.
      Print again.

      It's a slow method, but it has the added value that it works 100% of the time, and there's no trial and error.

      I would like to find a command that would lprm all my jobs, and another that flushes the parallel port buffers, so I could reduce the process to only removing jobs and flushing buffers, without reaching behind my printer.

    44. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It's a slow method, but it has the added value that it works 100% of the time

      Well, you mean 100% of the time in which the printer is directly connected to your desktop via the parallel port. Which is basically never the case when referring to high speed printers in the workplace, and rare enough to still be found at home. So, yeah, 100% of very specific instances.

    45. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by CProgrammer98 · · Score: 1

      gasoline is free? wtf u smokin man?

      UK gasoline prices - around 8op ($1.46) a LITRE or, $5.50 a US Gallon.

      I know it's much cheaper in the states but it sure isn't free!

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    46. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by Phisbut · · Score: 1
      that and one kills people if it gos wrong, and one wastes paper...

      well... the printer... 170 pages per minute... that's a whole lot of paper travelling pretty fast... considering how bad a paper cut can be from a slow-moving piece of paper, I wouldn't want to stand in the way of those sheets...

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    47. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by jimicus · · Score: 1
      I would like to find a command that would lprm all my jobs
      lpq -P<queue name> | awk '{print $3}' | grep [0-9] | xargs lprm
    48. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by kleinux · · Score: 1

      It was a joke, albeit a poor one. Hence the *ducks*

    49. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Say Jimicus, It's been four days now. So much for character.

    50. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
      I've always wondered why printers don't seem to come with emergency stops, even if in software.

      The Lexmark Optra Color 40 (an old PostScript-compatible inkjet that got blown out dirt-cheap because they never sold it properly) on my desk has a button that'll kill the current print job (eating the remainder of it as it arrives if it's not all in the buffer). It's not a big red button (it's actually a small blue one that looks like the form-feed button), but it gets the job done.

      Someone else already mentioned that some Brother printers have a job-cancel button.

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    51. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by orasio · · Score: 1

      There's a reason why you post AC. You are a jackass.

      I was answering to some guy who was discussing cutting electricity to the printer.
      If you can disconnect the electricity of the printer (the context of the great parent), you have two cases, 1- it is attached to a print server, a real machine, and uses LPT, or USB, and my procedure works in both cases; 2- it is a network printer. Just erase the jobs, it will stop.

      Maybe you don't understand the nature of a tree structure. There are parent nodes, and then there are nodes under them that lead to more specific aspects or contexts for the original discussion. This was one of them.

    52. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be pedantic. People frequently use "disaster" to describe non-fatal incidents. For example, "'Attack of the Clones' was a total disaster.". Or "Microsoft Windows (whatever version) is a disaster in terms of its security.". Or "George Bush's foreign policy is a disaster.". Or "George Bush's domestic policy is a disaster.". Or "George Bush's record on human rights is a disaster.".

      And so forth.

      Oh, and don't forget "Slashdot's W3C HTML compliance is a disaster.".

    53. Re:Very bad in a printing accident. by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      It was a silly joke. But still, I'd have to rate all of your examples as way more disastrous than accidentally printing out too many pages of paper.

  10. Doe the ink by datadriven · · Score: 1

    ... cost more than the printer?

  11. World Cheapest Advertising Campaign.. by saj_s · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Brother Industries today instigated the world's cheapest advertising campaign by announcing their unreleased product on Slashdot with help from a guy in the tech-support department. ;-)

    1. Re:World Cheapest Advertising Campaign.. by orderb13 · · Score: 0

      As far as I know none of the Brother employee's know anything about this. I'll ask when I go smoke in about 15 minutes to make sure.

    2. Re:World Cheapest Advertising Campaign.. by JWW · · Score: 1

      ....then their web server melted.

    3. Re:World Cheapest Advertising Campaign.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they just waited till mirrordot got the info, then pulled the plug to save bandwidth costs.

  12. Sustained Printing by ch0p · · Score: 0

    How big would the paper resovior have to be to sustain printing for longer than three minutes?

    1. Re:Sustained Printing by amrust · · Score: 2, Informative

      I wondered that too. The printer itself is standard size. But it probably sits on top of a tower of expansion drawers.

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    2. Re:Sustained Printing by CyricZ · · Score: 1

      We have a Brother 4500MNP, which can print 75 pages per minute. It has a 6000 page paper resevoir. I would imagine this printer has a similar resevoir, if not greater. Perhaps closer to 10000 pages.

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  13. Probably. by CyricZ · · Score: 0

    Canon is well-known and well-respected in the Linux community for either directly providing Linux drivers, or at least providing the technical information necessary for others to write such drivers.

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  14. Its about time by Mutilated1 · · Score: 1

    Cool. Color printers really do take to long. Still I wouldn't expect to be able to get one at Best Buy any time soon.

    One good thing that may come out of it... Do you suppose it could possibly drive the outrageous price of ink refills on normal "slow" printers down somewhat ?

    1. Re:Its about time by amcdiarmid · · Score: 1

      Konica-Minolta 2430DL Colour Laser with ethernet $500, without ethernet (2400?) $400. Both are usually on $100 discount. Try Staples. (cartridges are $100ea, and about 10K duty cycle)

  15. Ouch my poor pocketbook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm thinking that if you need something that fast, you will use a different technology 'cause the cost of ink will slaughter you.

    Now if somebody would come up with an inkjet printer that uses cartridges that cost around a buck a piece, then I'll be excited!

  16. Re:I beat 150 color pages in one minute once by slimey_limey · · Score: 1

    Like you're a speed demon....

  17. Info Sheet by LoneIguana · · Score: 5, Informative
  18. Non-moving print heads... by DigitalRaptor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Now if the hard drive industry would just put some thought into non-moving heads...

    I've thought for years that a series of heads side by side, with code and logic to read sequentially or simultaneously would drastically improve hard drive performance, while reducing hardware failures.

    Almost every time I have a hard drive die it's because of failed heads. Since using UPS's I haven't had a single fried board.

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    1. Re:Non-moving print heads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get vertical

    2. Re:Non-moving print heads... by darkjedi521 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I believe its been tried before. Do a google search on "drum memory". Was slow, even for its day.

    3. Re:Non-moving print heads... by jfengel · · Score: 1

      It's a good idea; I wonder if it's possible. The head moves with exquisite precision to pick up the hundreds of separate tracks. Instead, you'd need hundreds of separate heads, powerful enough to read the data and isolated enough not to interfere with each other.

      I'm sure that there are tricks to make it happen. Say, 8 separate arms so that each one contains only 1/8 the number of heads, possibly spacing them out far enough to make it happen. I believe high-end hard drives already have multiple arms.

      Redundant heads might even increase disk life, which might be necessary to compensate for the increased chance of single-head failure with hundreds of heads, even if they don't move.

      Sorry; I'm not an expert on hard-drive construction so I can't analyze the idea any deeper. I'd love to see it happen, because it could greatly improve throughput, and as you say things that don't move are more reliable than things that do.

    4. Re:Non-moving print heads... by mparker762 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You mean like this?

    5. Re:Non-moving print heads... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      It would probably be easier to deal with solid state hard drives. Whether or not they are more reliable for heavy writes, I don't know, I thought hard drives could sustain several orders of magnitude more writes per sector than flash memory.

    6. Re:Non-moving print heads... by imsabbel · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry, but i call bullshit.

      Do you know just how many tracks a disk has? Hint: its many many thousand. You cant put so many heads over the disc because the head is orders of magnitudes wider than the track. Plus if you were only doing sparse head placement (like 100 heads evenly spaced), you could not keep them calibrated, plus even IF you could, seek times would get MUCH worse because of resonanz modes of the arm complex, increased inertia, ect.
      Add to this the problems of sticktion, disturbance of the bernoulli effect because of the high head density, ect,ect, and the idea becomes braindead.
      (there were dual head hds years ago, but calibration was a bitch).

      You know, the harddisc industry (in fact any industry with x000 employees ) HAS people that are WAY smarter than you. So whenever you encouter something that doesnt make sense to you, maybe YOU are wrong.

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    7. Re:Non-moving print heads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative


      That's because it was used in place of RAM (before RAM existed), not as a longer-term storage area.

    8. Re:Non-moving print heads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      > You know, the harddisc industry (in fact any
      > industry with x000 employees ) HAS people that are
      > WAY smarter than you. So whenever you encouter
      > something that doesnt make sense to you, maybe YOU
      > are wrong.

      Yeah, we should all stop thinking, because everyone else is already thinking.

    9. Re:Non-moving print heads... by Le_Batleur · · Score: 1

      I understand the concept of drum memory and it's concept of non-moving heads.

      What I've often wondered, is why more *movable* stacks of heads aren't packaged into modern hard disks - to my knowledge, they all have just one stack of heads.

      Rather than continually upping rotation speed, how well would a drive perform with two or four banks of heads at each of the compass points, each bank moving independantly of the other heads?

      Surely it would slash seek times?

    10. Re:Non-moving print heads... by DigitalRaptor · · Score: 1

      Could I please have your name, so that I might know what to engrave on the plaque at the bottom of the statue I erected in your honor?

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    11. Re:Non-moving print heads... by jd · · Score: 1
      It wouldn't need to be non-moving, you just need 3 heads per arm. That way, you can simultaneously be reading data, reading metadata and moving the third arm to where you need to read next. That way, you'd pretty much eliminate seek time for all but the initial sector.


      You can extend this further and have multiple arms per platter, such that at the innermost track your read-heads would be as close as possible without having overlapping read areas. (Or, if you had one known blank spot on the disk, you could actually have the overlap, then infer the non-end values by using subtraction.)


      You could also improve things by moving some of the work into software. Instead of sectoring the disk physically, have a single, continuous sector which you read into memory. The sectoring can then all be done in RAM. This eliminates seek time on the track itself, as it wouldn't matter where you started, provided you had a unique "signature" that marked the start of logical units of data. It also makes writing easier, as you just dump the entire track to disk, from wherever the disk is at the time. No looking for the right place, just a straight copy.


      Of course, there is the question of whether you want to use physical storage of this kind, anyway. It should be possible to build a hybrid device that uses some of the ideas of early Core Memory (lifetime in the hundreds of years), so that you still use magnetic fields but in a static context rather than on a high-velocity frisbee.

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    12. Re:Non-moving print heads... by rahlquist · · Score: 1

      Wow such anger. While I am not a hard drive engineer either I am willing to admit the conecpt has merrit and also the limitations you propose. Perhaps an idea that can be built on though. What about on dual head drives spliting the data across platters? Not quite the same as a fixed head but as long as the r/w controller could do all the low lever spanning and concationation then it may be a performance improvement. Something like this would be interesting to toy with in optical discs, playing with an array of mirrors that were stationary over the disc you could possibly cut seek times? Who knows...

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    13. Re:Non-moving print heads... by hawk · · Score: 1

      Even putting multiple heads on the arm. Four heads, for example, mean that data is never mour than one fourth of the way away.

      hawk

    14. Re:Non-moving print heads... by merlin_jim · · Score: 1

      I've thought for years that a series of heads side by side, with code and logic to read sequentially or simultaneously would drastically improve hard drive performance, while reducing hardware failures.

      Well the old multi-platters could do that. But I can just imagine the top of a hard drive case packed with read heads end to end.

      I think the problem is that head positioning is too precise of a problem to rely on static load bearing structures. It has to be a dynamic process.

      That said I have often imagined an array of n drives (where n is the bit width of the data protocol used to communicate with the drive)... each bit in a data word gets written to a seperate drive.

      But then I read up on RAID 5. With a hardware controller, RAID 5 is a lot more immune to hdd failures and not much less performant (for files over a block in size). To get comparable performance to the above scenario, simply use n+1 drives instead of n.

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    15. Re:Non-moving print heads... by jci · · Score: 1

      You know, the harddisc industry (in fact any industry with x000 employees ) HAS people that are WAY smarter than you. So whenever you encouter something that doesnt make sense to you, maybe YOU are wrong.


      You need to relax.

      Anyone can be the armchair quarterback, and someone knowing a little more can be the antithesis of it.
      That doesn't mean its not worth saying (foe either side), but it should be said in a condescending way.
    16. Re:Non-moving print heads... by iamhassi · · Score: 1
      "Now if the hard drive industry would just put some thought into non-moving heads..."

      Kenwood made a 72x CD-ROM drive with multiple heads a few years back. Also allowed the CDs to spin much slower while still achieving high speeds, making the drive much quieter. From what I remember it was a great drive according to reviews, guess it was just cheaper to put one head in than several and spin the disc faster.

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    17. Re:Non-moving print heads... by Thaelon · · Score: 1

      Well, if you've ever taken apart a hard drive you'd know that the physical drive head is MUCH wider than the magnetic stripe of data. I don't know exactly but I suspect given hd capacities and the size of even the tiniest print head that the magnetic stripe is hundreds or thousands of times narrower than the drive head. Only a small piece of the tiny, tiny, itty bitty part that touches the drive actually reads the data.

      Even then you're still spinning the drive platters.

      You got any idea how to fit 50,000 - or hell even 500 - drive heads across a 2" strip of metal? It would be cheaper to build an array of volitile memory and like 6 levels of battery redundancy.

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    18. Re:Non-moving print heads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have a problem with one head hitting the surface, and now you want to multiply that by four?

    19. Re:Non-moving print heads... by jfw25 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I understand the concept of drum memory and it's concept of non-moving heads. What I've often wondered, is why more *movable* stacks of heads aren't packaged into modern hard disks - to my knowledge, they all have just one stack of heads.
      Modern hard disks are optimized for precisely one thing: price. Multiple actuator disk drives have been made in the past, but they aren't now because two actuators cost at least twice as much as one.

      The market for performance-at-all-costs drives was never large enough to sustain a lot of development, and the ability of RAID technology to obtain some of that performance at nearly none of the cost has pretty much exterminated any hope of radical increases in performance.

      That said, however, it wouldn't surprise me if having multiple actuators might not increase the turbulence in the air inside the drive, making it harder to keep the heads flying at low heights. You might therefore wind up trading density for decreased average seek time, which would also cut into throughput (since fewer bits fly past the heads per second).

    20. Re:Non-moving print heads... by YU+Nicks+NE+Way · · Score: 1

      The problem is inter-head calibration. Each stepper-motor/head complex has to behave exactly like all the others, even though there's resonant coupling among the various read/write heads.

      I'm not sure that it's an intractable problem, but I sure wouldn't want to be the one who got stuck trying to figure out how to fix it...

    21. Re:Non-moving print heads... by XorNand · · Score: 1
      You know, the harddisc industry (in fact any industry with x000 employees ) HAS people that are WAY smarter than you. So whenever you encouter something that doesnt make sense to you, maybe YOU are wrong.
      If everyone thought this way, true "out-side-the-box" innovation would never happen. It starts with a single person saying "Hmm... I wonder what would happen if we did it this way instead". Granted, the EE's employed by HDD companies are more likely to get that stroke inspiration, but it's not impossible that an outsider could inject a fresh perspective.
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    22. Re:Non-moving print heads... by dickens · · Score: 1

      Back in the day, around 1980 at DEC, we had a big PDP-11/70 that was set up to use fixed-head disks for swapping. I think they were called RS04s ? 1 or 2 MB each is all they held, which was small compared to the 40 to 80 MB removable disks it used for storage, but big compared to the amount of ram available which was something under half a MB.

    23. Re:Non-moving print heads... by tedgyz · · Score: 1

      This technique was used on Kenwood CD-ROM drives, using technology from Zen Research. Instead of heads, they were lasers, but the concept is the same.

      Here is a review of the Kenwood True-X 72X.

      From the article:
      "A conventional laser diode goes through diffraction grating and gets split into seven discrete beams, spaced evenly to illuminate seven tracks."

      Of course, you can't split a hard-drive head 7 ways, so I guess this doesn't quite apply. Oh well. Move along. Nothing to see here.

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    24. Re:Non-moving print heads... by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      Sorry, was a bit overreacting.
      But it can get very annoying if somebody who has litteraly no idea what he is talking about has an idea and presents it like he alone found the philosophers stone and everybody else is stupid.

      Its even worse with all those free energy nuts that claim infinite forces and stuff only because they cannot comprehent that even an integral from -inf to +inf can converge...

      And about the harddiscs: its incredible enough that those things are working even with one head, given all the density improvements and the low cost manufactoring.

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    25. Re:Non-moving print heads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you sure are an angry little fucker aren't you?

      Here's a helpful hint: when someone doesn't know something, turning hostile on them doesn't help anyone learn, and it just makes you seem like a ginormous shithead.

      See what I mean? You don't know anything about how to interact with people and then I went off on you - it certainly won't help you learn anything and it just makes me seem like an asshole.

    26. Re:Non-moving print heads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who needs thousands?

      Read/Write speed would (should) increase lineraly with the number of heads. Say you've got two or three arms with a head for each side of the platter. Just like it is now, but multiply it by three, and space them around the disk, each operates independetly... Whammo, potentially 2-3 times faster, with MUCH reduced seek times in some circumstances. This way you could read/write as many tracks simultaneously as you've got heads.

      It'd take some serious re-engineering of the electronics and software, but it should be possible, and even 2x the speed is nothing to sneeze at. That's like doubling the data density, or doubling the rotational speed with arm actuation rates halved.

      If one could physically make the drive larger, it should be possible to stack as many as you could fit, so long as they won't interfere with eachother's movements.

    27. Re:Non-moving print heads... by tscheez · · Score: 0

      Hard drives would then become overly complex.
      Essentially, to do that would require one head per track and each size would have different numbers of heads needed.

      A hard drive with 8000 cylinders and 4 platters would require 16000 heads

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    28. Re:Non-moving print heads... by Detritus · · Score: 1

      It was probably the RF11. It was huge, filled up a whole rack. I used to use a PDP-11/20 that used an RF11 for its system disk. It had enough space to store the important parts of RT-11.

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    29. Re:Non-moving print heads... by timeOday · · Score: 1

      Besides, if you want multiple heads, you can already get them... use RAID. You get the reduced seek time and parallel data transfers you're after, and redundancy to boot.

    30. Re:Non-moving print heads... by jd · · Score: 1

      Don't see why not. I'm sure that it would be possible to build a diffraction grating that would work with magnetic fields, given that magnetism and electromagnetism are related phenomena.

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    31. Re:Non-moving print heads... by tedgyz · · Score: 1

      Wow, I didn't think that was possible. I guess that's why I dropped out of BSEE. EMF theory was killing me, along with Circuit Theory. Software is much comfier. :-)

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    32. Re:Non-moving print heads... by paulkoan · · Score: 1


      Yes, and non spinning disks by having a sensor for each magnetic domain.

      I would imagine this would increase the size of the hd somewhat.

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    33. Re:Non-moving print heads... by jd · · Score: 1

      More likely the lecturers were killing you. 99.9% of all people I've ever talked to who don't like a subject, or who couldn't handle the classes, really just didn't work well with the person teaching. (Often, the problem is the lecturer is actually pretty ignorant and relies on drilling the students with rote memorization, which is known to kill students and cause cancer in lab rats.)

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    34. Re:Non-moving print heads... by Le_Batleur · · Score: 1

      Ah, now, thanks for that!

      I never knew that any drives had beeen built with multiple actuators - do you have any old model numbers or references I can geek over? (I'm not checking up on you, just want to see one of these beasts for myself!)

      The cost factor fits, I suppose a RAID config does provide the single best factor of a multiple actuator design - zero-lag track seeks - even if it is on different spindles!

      I'm surprised to hear the market wasn't profitable enough to cater for some progress to be made in this area for the desktop market, since there are always speed merchants who want the fastest spinning platters in their one- or two-drive cases.

      Not too sure I can go along with your turbulence theory, the Bernoulli effect should still apply in very small scales - I think the heads would need to be *very* close together (in mm, I should think), before that becomes a factor. Then again, I'm not a drive engineer.

      Cheers for your post - most informative!

    35. Re:Non-moving print heads... by tedgyz · · Score: 1

      I know what you mean. I had a Chemistry teacher who had such a difficult accent, I couldn't understand a word he said. I stopped going to class.

      1st year of college (U. MA, Lowell, BSEE) would have killed me if I hadn't gone to college prep school (Catholic High School). Most of my 1st college classes were repeats of senior year high school. The problem in most colleges and universities is that they assign the worst teachers to the freshman classes.

      I remember we had a big meeting at the start of BSEE. Everyone was sitting in the lecture hall and the head of the dept. said, "Look to your left. Look to your right. Those people will not graduate with you." Which is to say, only 1/3rd of BSEE freshman go on to earn their BSEE degree. He was right. I dropped out junior year. My heart was in software, not hardware. I had a part time job at Wang as a junior programmer. So, I went to my boss and said, "How would you like me to work full time." His eyes lit up and he gathered up the paperwork that day. The next day I formally dropped out of ULowell. My parents were devestated, but I knew it was the right choice. I have had a very successful 20 years as a software engineer. My parents are ok with it now, but it took a long time. I also dropped out of the Catholic church, despite 12 years of "programming". That was more devestating to them. My Dad was pissed because he spent all that money on Catholic school. It had a benefit. Just not the one they were looking for. Well educated, but agnostic.

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    36. Re:Non-moving print heads... by renoX · · Score: 1

      I think that having one fixed head per track is not very economical..
      Now one thing that I've always wondered is why not several moving heads per disk?
      With two heads, this would lower the spinning latency from 1/2 to 1/4 if you make those two heads seek the same data or it would allow twice the bandwith..

      Granted you can do the same thing with RAID, but while the added reliability is nice, it has also twice the power consumption, volume used, noice, heat..

    37. Re:Non-moving print heads... by renoX · · Score: 1

      While one head per track is bit extreme, I wonder what on one arm they couldn't fit two heads?

      Grand this will increase the weight of the arm, but it would also double the bandwith!

    38. Re:Non-moving print heads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Diffracting light sounds a LOT easier than difracting a magnetic field! I wonder about some people.

  19. As seen on TV by GeekDork · · Score: 3, Funny

    At long last, technology catches up with those really cool printers and fax machines in the movies! We'll be able to print suspect photos in less than a second! Yay!

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    1. Re:As seen on TV by Scooter · · Score: 1

      Yeah remember Deckard's printer in Bladerunner? "gimme a hardcopy right there - no wait! oh shit, I forgot to reset the copy count to 1!"

      Now if we could just get paper images of such amazing resolution you can zoom in 200 times like he does we could store whole books in printed form on a postage stamp :P

    2. Re:As seen on TV by kettch · · Score: 1

      They have some amazingly high dot matrix printers on CSI. It's hard to tell because they are inside a inkjet housing but if you listen closely, they sound like a dot matrix.

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  20. Not new by Solder+Fumes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The company I used to work for does high-speed printing. They developed their own inkjet array drum, looked like one of those radial aircraft piston engines. We're talking over 400 feet per minute, continuous...

    1. Re:Not new by slimey_limey · · Score: 1

      But does it fit on a desk? What sort of sound does it make?

    2. Re:Not new by CyricZ · · Score: 1

      400 feet/minute is common in the newspaper printing industry. When I worked there it was often possible to achieve speeds of up to 1000 feet/minute, but that required bonding the paper to special rubber conveyors to prevent the paper from tearing. Even then, if the rubber conveyor itself snapped then it would often cause damage to the machine. While it didn't happen too often, it was pretty damaging when it did.

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    3. Re:Not new by Solder+Fumes · · Score: 1

      We also did lithography at 1000+ fpm. Bare paper, though of course I'd guess that gloss litho stock is a lot stronger than newsprint. But the inkjet thing was for on-the-fly customized text and images, something litho doesn't do.

    4. Re:Not new by Solder+Fumes · · Score: 1

      The head itself might have fit on a desk, but the printer wouldn't have even fit into a semi trailer...the sound was kind of like a lawnmower and garbage disposal in mortal combat.

    5. Re:Not new by CyricZ · · Score: 1

      That's very interesting. Last I heard, the place I was at was developing carbon composite litho. They took it all non-linear, as well. The litho plate actually spun as if it were a record, and the paper was sort of curled down and pressed against the lith plate in a small strip at the correct angle. This allowed for the printing to occur very rapidly, but the turning of the litho disc also helped progress the paper along. All very complicated stuff, if you ask me.

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  21. Re:Does it run Linux? by CyricZ · · Score: 1

    Actually, many printers are known to run vxWorks. Some from Lexmark have been reported to run a stripped down version of NetBSD.

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  22. 150 pages? by justforaday · · Score: 1, Troll

    Now, are those 150 pages per minute actually legible, or are they just covered with random splotches of color?

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  23. In case of Slashdotting.. by Durzel · · Score: 0, Redundant
    World's fastest inkjet printer?

    Posted by Red in future tech | E-Mail This Entry

    The Brother Industries high speed inkjet printer in prototype form. Codenamed Cobra, this little puppy can spit out any size of print output at around 170 pages per minute. OK, you want me to back up and repeat that? Any size of printed inkjet paper output at 170 pages every sixty seconds. Demonstrated for the first time ever last week at a Brother press seminar. How are they doing it? Well....

    So apparently the secret lies in the use of new Piezo Inkjet Line Head technology, which prints at 600×600 dpi, but doesn't actually move at all. The ink is transferred at high speed as the paper passes underneath the static nozzles. (see below left - click on all images for full view)

    In order to get the throughput, the printer contains a separate head for each colour, so that the paper receives all the ink in one high speed sweep. The passel of assembled journalists at the demonstration last week saw this beast churn out 150 A6 pages a minute without drawing breath, which was pretty darn impressive. (see below right for a scan of the actual printed output)

    The company boffins at the demo told us that in order to achieve this speed for larger paper sizes, they just need to connect up more heads in a wider array. For instance, two heads joined together longways would give A4 printing. The concept of poster sized inkjet prints being produced at offset litho printing speeds is little short of miraculous. But just think of the ink costs...ouch!

    Apparently this technology also features the lowest power requirements of any inkjet head on the market, and is smaller than equivalent spec products, which should eventually mean good things for home as well as industrial users. Eventually? Well, the technology was first announced at this year's Cebit exhibition in Germany, but this was the first ever live demonstration to the media, and the company is being very coy on any production dates. In fact it seems that the tech needs some co-operative funding (i.e. a production partner?) in order to progress further. And no word on potential retail pricing was given either.

    So for now the printer is seeing action only at the World Fair in Aichi, Japan, printing out A6 sheets for tourist visitors to the Brother pavilion. Here's hoping we see more of this amazing technology sooner rather than later. In the meantime here's a PDF of the technology paper.

    Specification Notes.
    Head - 2656 nozzles per head, 600 dpi, 108 mm width (4.25 inches).
    Print speed - 800 mm per second.
    Energy saving - Deformable Piezo actuator provides 1/14 of the power requirement of conventional nozzles. For example, the A6 picture sample on the right requires only 3 watts of power, at 150 sheets per minute.
    Size - Trapezoidal nozzle zone shape provides for dense arrangement of cavities. The result is a head which is 152 mm wide, 22 mm deep and 1 mm high. Heads can be arranged in longer arrays as needed.
    Droplet size - Unspecified. 4 sizes available.
    Reliability - 10 billion dots/nozzle or more (still testing).


    The scanned picture which the article mentions was continuously printed at 150 pages per minute is here. As sample images go it does contain a lot of colour, I would've assumed a "150 pages per minute" claim would've been in non-Real World cases like printing 8 coloured pixels on a piece of A4.

    1. Re:In case of Slashdotting.. by dfn5 · · Score: 3, Funny
      Specification Notes.
      Head - 2656 nozzles per head, 600 dpi, 108 mm width (4.25 inches).
      Print speed - 800 mm per second.
      Energy saving - Deformable Piezo actuator provides 1/14 of the power requirement of conventional nozzles. For example, the A6 picture sample on the right requires only 3 watts of power, at 150 sheets per minute.
      Size - Trapezoidal nozzle zone shape provides for dense arrangement of cavities. The result is a head which is 152 mm wide, 22 mm deep and 1 mm high. Heads can be arranged in longer arrays as needed.
      Droplet size - Unspecified. 4 sizes available.
      Reliability - 10 billion dots/nozzle or more (still testing).

      Forests that can keep up with this printer - Priceless

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  24. Printing .pdf Manuals by ase · · Score: 1

    This might make it finally worth my while to print out pdf documentation that accompanies software purchases. It has not been (I tell myself) cost, but the godawfull amount of time it would take to get a manual out as soon as I realize I'm in trouble and need that manual right away.

  25. It can be ev worse in a horrible printing accident by slimey_limey · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just think of what would happen if the thing overheated. You'd have sheets of charcoal coming out of the printer faster than you can stuff them in the trash.

    I quake at the possibilities for buffer overruns....

  26. Oh my god. by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 5, Funny

    They've just discovered the holy grail of inkjet industry revenue.

    That's like 5 color cartridges per minute, at $32 a pop!

    1. Re:Oh my god. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Funny? More like Insightful.

    2. Re:Oh my god. by fbg111 · · Score: 1

      They've just discovered the holy grail of inkjet industry revenue.

      Yep - astroturfing on /. masquerading as an engineering piece.

      /., meet Paul Graham. Paul Graham, /.

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    3. Re:Oh my god. by Duhavid · · Score: 1

      You missed an opportunity.

      You should have changed your sig to

      "do not look in laser printer with remaining eye".

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  27. Ink... by Gaewyn+L+Knight · · Score: 0

    *sends a printjob*

    "Magenta is low??? I haven't even been printing for a minute!"

    *replaces 15$ cartridge*

    "CYAN!!!!??!!! Arrrghh"

    *replaces another 15$ cartridge* ....

    Seriously... they had better have some massive ink tanks to back up that speed of printing. Please let them be refillable from a pint jug also :}

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    1. Re:Ink... by Use+Psychology · · Score: 1


      surely the amount of ink used per job doesn't change whether the speed is fast or slow:

      ink_used = time*pages_per_minute

    2. Re:Ink... by MarkByers · · Score: 1

      surely the amount of ink used per job doesn't change whether the speed is fast or slow

      No - but I bet the sort of people that would buy this type of printer do so because they intend to print a lot of pages quickly (otherwise they would just get a slower, cheaper printer). A small ink cartridge would definitely be a problem for the likely target audience. I'm sure Brother would not have made such an obvious mistake though...

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    3. Re:Ink... by stuartkahler · · Score: 1

      More like gallon jugs. Ink costs alot less than the usual $20+/oz when you're buying printers that cost thousands (or tens of thousands) of dollars. I think this technology won't ever make it to home consumer printers. Could you imagine having to prime 10 cubic inches of print head to run off a single photo?

      There's a cheaper version of my printer that uses the same cartridges as mine. It retails for $100, just $18 more than the full set of cartridges that come with it. A full set of generic cartridges cost $20. I'll be buying some generics and a cheap printer to do some quality testing on the generic inks. Even if it's not worth doing photos on, it will certainly be fine for my more mundane color needs (maps, flyers, web pages, etc).

    4. Re:Ink... by Malc · · Score: 1

      Don't forget, colour printers don't use the different base colours at the same rate.

  28. Reload cost by moogleii · · Score: 1

    Can't RTFA yet, but does this mean reloading the entire "array" is going to implode my wallet? I guess that depends if it's one giant cartridge or multiple cartridges huh?

  29. 150 A6 Pages by borawjm · · Score: 5, Informative

    TFA states that it prints 150 A6 pages per minutes. A6 pages are only 4.13in x 5.83in. Alot smaller than USA's standard 8 1/2in x 11in paper size.

    1. Re:150 A6 Pages by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Another way to think of it is that the standard 8.5" by 11" paper is similar to A4. A5 is A4 cut in half, and A6 is A5 cut in half, so what we're talking about is actually 150 quarter-pages per minute, or about 37.5 [normal] pages per minute.

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    2. Re:150 A6 Pages by orderb13 · · Score: 2, Informative

      And if you had read TFA it stated that it would work for any size paper, all you have to do is keep adding heads. So to get from A6 to A4 you'd just need to have 4 heads instead of one.

    3. Re:150 A6 Pages by YU+Nicks+NE+Way · · Score: 1

      Actually, if you read TF spec sheet, you'd see that doesn't work -- you can only put them side-by-side, resulting in 75 ppm. Still freeking fast, but not, by any means, 150 ppm.

    4. Re:150 A6 Pages by orderb13 · · Score: 1

      And if you would use YFB for a minute you'd realize that all you need to increase is the WIDTH of the printing heads. How do you do that? Put them side by side. The printer can print 847 mm/s in length, which is 33 inches. Which is 3 pages per second with a couple of head put together. Which is 180 pages per minute.

    5. Re:150 A6 Pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello! TFA says 170 ppm at ANY SIZE. The model they are showing is ONLY a 4.25" width design... so no, it won't do regular sheets at ANY speed, cause they DON'T FIT. A model that would fit regular, would be the SAME SPEED.

    6. Re:150 A6 Pages by dkone · · Score: 1

      Thank you for not reading the article, but that would be bad form for here. The can maintain the same speed, regardless of print size. All that is needed is to attach a second print head to print an A4 at rated speeds.

      DK

    7. Re:150 A6 Pages by borawjm · · Score: 1

      I read TFA. I was simply stating that they were only doing the tests on A6 sized paper and they claimed 170ppm on other sizes.

      Besides, unless they had a way to add/remove heads, you'd have to purchase seperate machines to handle different widths of paper. I.E. A letter sized head wouldn't be able to handle a ledger sized paper and vice versa. What if I wanted to print a postcard?

      I'd keep my money and go with the speed and versatility of a color or b&w laser printer.

    8. Re:150 A6 Pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A6 pages are only 4.13in x 5.83in. Alot smaller than USA's standard 8 1/2in x 11in paper size.
      Hah! Ours is bigger! We win!

      (dances a jig with Queen's "We Are The Champions!" blasting in the background)

    9. Re:150 A6 Pages by GerritHoll · · Score: 1

      That's 10.5cm x 14.8cm, according to google calculator results.

  30. more ink, more $ by scpotter · · Score: 2, Funny

    I suppose it uses standard ink cartridges / print heads in a gatling style configuration. And since you'll be able to spew out ink at up to $85/minute, they're just going give these away. Especially to schools.

  31. Don't buy expensive ink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I pay $4 per cartridge, which doesn't seem too unreasonable to me.
    My printer does photo quality.
    The printer itself was $100

    I do my part to keep ink prices down by researching before I buy.

    Do you pay $20+ per inkjet cartridge?

    1. Re:Don't buy expensive ink by graphicsguy · · Score: 1

      Is each color in its own cartridge on your printer?

  32. Cartridge duration can be a big problem! by YA_Python_dev · · Score: 1
    amazing speeds of around 150 full colour pages per minute

    Yeah, except that after 30 seconds you have to change the cartridge...

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  33. From the article by Redwin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "So apparently the secret lies in the use of new Piezo Inkjet Line Head technology, which prints at 600×600 dpi, but doesn't actually move at all. The ink is transferred at high speed as the paper passes underneath the static nozzles. In order to get the throughput, the printer contains a separate head for each colour, so that the paper receives all the ink in one high speed sweep"

    Sounds impressive, although I wonder how it copes with wet ink on the pages. If they really are coming through at 150ppm then I suspect that the problem of still wet ink from the newly printed pages might mark the pages that land on top of it.

    Still a vast improvement on my 6ppm printer I have at the moment. :-)

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  34. But are the print heads replaceable? by Ralman · · Score: 1

    Most of us have probably run into the problem where you don't use the inkjet printer for a while, so the ink dries in the print nozzles.

    Next to impossible to clean, and when possible, a serious pain in the ass. Not to mention you tend to waste a ton of ink.

    Say the office closes for a week. Bam, now you have a very expensive paperweight. Unless of course, you can either clean, or replace the print heads.

    How expensive do you think this will be?

    No thanks, I think I will stick with a slower, but generally more durable, and better print quality color laser.

    1. Re:But are the print heads replaceable? by Gates82 · · Score: 1
      My EPSON wasn't that hard to clean. I have a 780 that I got from a friend, hadn't been used in two years and the yellow wouldn't print, pulled off the print head and rubbed alcohol on it with a Q-tip and then used cotton balls to clean the excess ink. Prints beautifully now.

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  35. Nice! Now it can cost you 120$ / hour to print by marika · · Score: 1

    I just got a color laser printer for 350$ and I am not going back to inkjet. Ever.

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  36. DOT MATRIX LINE PRINTERS! by zicherd · · Score: 1

    Helo??? Line printers have been around forever and are still in use at a lot of places, why did it take so long to figure this one out. Is there some missing technology that was the real key to making this happen for ink jets?

    The only bad thing is the price. Dot matrix line printers are REALLY fast, but the are also REALLY expensive. Will it also be the case with this? Maybe that is the reason by this is only getting press now.

    1. Re:DOT MATRIX LINE PRINTERS! by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      The big reason why dot matrix printers are still in use is that they're impact printers -- the only kind that works on 3-ply carbon paper. Otherwise, I suspect most places use laser printers (which are at least as fast as dot-matrix, in my experience) by now.

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    2. Re:DOT MATRIX LINE PRINTERS! by QMO · · Score: 1

      The hard part was (I think) making the little ink squirters (sorry for the overly technical vocab) small enough to fit together to make large area of them.

      Weak, and probably inaccurate analogy:
      If you are trying to fit 5 right hands in a 1x1 foot square, no problem. 5 people stand around and put a hand in the square.
      If, however, you want to put 400 hands in a 20x20 foot square, will there be enough room for the people to stand, and how will you cover the middle section?

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    3. Re:DOT MATRIX LINE PRINTERS! by idontgno · · Score: 1
      If, however, you want to put 400 hands in a 20x20 foot square, will there be enough room for the people to stand...

      They can stand any damn place they like. Hands are detachable, given the right tools.

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    4. Re:DOT MATRIX LINE PRINTERS! by Iron+Monkey · · Score: 1

      Where I worked for a while, we even stopped bothering to use the line printer for triple or quad forms. It was easier to just print the form three times on the laser. The problem with carbon paper is that you often have to burst and split it afterward, which is often a really annoying task. Bursters (for those that don't know, they take the little perforated tracks off the sides, and cut the paper into pages), IMHO, are finicky, annoying machines, and, often as not, end up cutting an important page in half, which then has to be reprinted or "reconstructed" using a photocopier.

      All in all, since I spent about half my day running the burster and splitter, my employer probably saved a substantial amount, labour-wise, even if the laser printing was more expensive. All that, and the reports that came out looked a hell of a lot better, and weren't flimsy as hell.

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    5. Re:DOT MATRIX LINE PRINTERS! by Duhavid · · Score: 1

      One place I worked, we had a line printer that was fast enough that when we tried to feed "cheap" paper thru it, the motor would sometimes tear the paper at the perforation. It was the wide stuff ( 14 x 11, I think ), not the 8.5 x 11 stuff.

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  37. Why I hate paper by slimey_limey · · Score: 1

    My problem with paper is that it is almost impossible to get rid of. The stuff just makes piles on my desk. It's horrible, so I only print out final drafts. (It drives my parents crazy, though. They grew up with paper and have trouble reading LaTeX source.)

    1. Re:Why I hate paper by Klar · · Score: 1

      Ya, from what I've heard about this paper stuff, although these are just rumours, as I have never actually seen any, it is nearly indestructible! -- humm

    2. Re:Why I hate paper by QMO · · Score: 1

      Paper is easy to get rid of. Paper recycling bins are all over.
      Old computer parts, on the other hand, are hard to get rid of.

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    3. Re:Why I hate paper by CyricZ · · Score: 1

      But paper is still expensive up-front. The cost of a mistake that results in thousands of wasted pages can often cost more than the hourly wage paid to the person who made the mistake. That is why such mistakes can't be taken lightly, from a business perspective. They can be very financially costly.

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    4. Re:Why I hate paper by thpdg · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, be careful how much of that stuff you use. What, you think it grows on trees?

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  38. Who ordered this? by frovingslosh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And the purpose of an inkjet printer that uses paper and ink this fast, when there are now color laser printers that produce better output at a lower cost per page, and likely cost less, is what? Who wants this except the over priced Ink sellers (Inkjet ink costs more than Dom Perignon or other expensive champaign, ounce for ounce)? And I have enough problems replacing clogged and spotty inkjet nozzels when I have a small number of nozzels (that therefor get enough use to usually keep them flowing, how hard is it going to be to maintain good quality output for a device with 2656 nozzels per color (that seems like low resolution for a full page head too).

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  39. How much ink is that in dollars per second? by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 1

    Like $8 million?

  40. The ink lasts how long? by Powertrip · · Score: 1

    So, at a zillion pages-per-minute, the ink cartriges should last, oh, 5 minutes or so?

  41. Just Imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...a Beowulf cluster of these printing!

  42. Printers we would like to see by British · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, speed is great, but I honestly don't find myself holding my breath for a printout from mapquest,etc.

    How about:

    1. A super-cheap to refill DIY printer. Sure, it goes against the whole business model of printers & ink. Then find some way to have it not dry out after periods of non-use.

    2. A reasonably priced printer that prints on both sides of the paper.

    3. Bullet-proof linux drivers. I gave up on CUPS + HP printer when it would print out 90% of the page, and then several pages of garbage, thus wasting paper.

    4. an ez-un-jamming printer. When a paper doesn't go in 100% perfectly straight, hilarity ensues trying to pull the confetti out without damaging things.

    Or maybe I should just save up some $$$ and go strictly laserjet instead of mooching from work.

    1. Re:Printers we would like to see by MustardMan · · Score: 1

      2. A reasonably priced printer that prints on both sides of the paper.

      HP has a number of reasonably priced printers which can do this. The Photosmart 7755 at around a hundred bucks use have an optional attachment (~30 if memory serves) to do two sided. The Business Inkjet 1200d at around 200 bucks includes the functionality out of the box. They have had this for quite some time. Several years ago I was working as a retail whore selling computer stuff, and I sold a lot of cheap inkjets with double sided printing.

      4. an ez-un-jamming printer. When a paper doesn't go in 100% perfectly straight, hilarity ensues trying to pull the confetti out without damaging things.

      Again, I had very good experience with HP printers not jamming EVER, throughout tons of product demos for customers using the cheapest generic store brand paper as well as various weights of photo papers. This was again a couple of years ago, so I would imagine every major printer company would have been able to pull this relatively simple task off by now.

    2. Re:Printers we would like to see by slashkitty · · Score: 1
      2. A reasonably priced printer that prints on both sides of the paper.

      yeah, the canon Pixma IP3000 prints on both sides and it cost me about $30. Does great photos too.. the linux drivers aren't there yet though.

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    3. Re:Printers we would like to see by gid · · Score: 1

      I was just about to suggest that same printer. I got mine for arouind $43 tho (including $20 rebate). Even for twice what I paid, it would still be a great printer. (unlike my HP officejet, which isn't even worth half of what I paid, I'm never buying one of those again)

      The photos look fantastic, and it's even pretty cheap to buy ink for, with separate color carts. (they're clear to so you can actually see when the ink is really gone) Plus according some review I read, it's pretty stingy on ink compared to other printers. I've never been disapointed with a single Canon product I've purchased, they actually some with good printed manuals.

      I couldn't find free linux drivers, so I just use it on my xp box. The software it comes with is actually pretty decent, makes photo printing easy, with auto adjustable crop, etc.

    4. Re:Printers we would like to see by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Some of the canon drivers (there's none for my specific model) print out black text and pdf's much faster than the windows drivers for my printer, plus it doesn't wait in between every page (presumably to download the page over USB -- it said USB2.0 on the box, but it only uses USB1.0 speeds). oddly, not only does it print faster, but the letters are usually darker and crisper than when the same pdf documents are printed using windows (I dual boot). Especially strange because it's not a postscript printer. Color and margins are slightly off because i'm using the wrong driver.

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    5. Re:Printers we would like to see by silicon+not+in+the+v · · Score: 1

      About the jamming, I think this is one of the things where Pro hits Con in the laser vs. inkjet department. As you say, I don't remember if I have ever seen an inkjet printer jam, but laser printers jam all the freaking time. This is due to the complexity of the paper path in the machine. Inkjets generally send the paper through one loop. Inkjet is a single process(squirt the ink), so it's simpler and more compact. Lasers run the paper through a little maze inside them and flip it back and forth a few times as it goes past the toner cartridge, fuser, etc.

      Technically, a laser printer could also be built with a straight line paper path that would not jam, but the printer itself would then have to put all the laser components side by side, so you would end up with a printer a few inches high and a few feet long. That's not very business friendly for table space.

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    6. Re:Printers we would like to see by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Your prayers have been answered: it's called a laser printer.

      For about $100, you can buy on ebay an HP LaserJet 2200D. Don't confuse these business-class printers with the cheap-ass consumer-grade printers.

      - cartridges are about $30 shipped on ebay (reman of course, but they work fine)
      - the 2200D has duplex printing standard
      - the 2200D and its successors all have Postscript emulation standard.
      - my 2100 has never jammed, but if it's like most laser printers I've worked with in offices, unjamming them is not difficult.

      If $100 is too much for you, you can get the older 2100M for even less; I saw one sold recently for $10 I think. It has Postscript, but no duplex printing. But paper cost isn't a big deal to me since I just take a ream from work when I'm low...

    7. Re:Printers we would like to see by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I'd also like to mention that if you're waiting for something this simple and reliable to be available at your typical computer shop like CompUSA or Fry's, don't hold your breath. The printer companies are making billions by selling crappy, unreliable inkjets and massively overpriced ink, and consumers are eating it up. Consumers don't want laser printers because they think they're only for businesses, or they want to print pretty photos; basically, they're a bunch of suckers who are trained to buy what the printer companies want them to buy.

      Why should the printer companies change anything? Offering what you're suggesting would kill their obscene profits. HP would probably go out of business if they weren't making their present profits on ink!

    8. Re:Printers we would like to see by evilviper · · Score: 1
      2. A reasonably priced printer that prints on both sides of the paper.

      Why would you want that? If you're printing more than a handful of pages, it's much faster to print out the odd pages, turn them over, load them into the paper tray, then print the even pages on the back.

      It's significantly faster, mainly because you don't have to wait for each page to dry before it can print on the back. While one page is drying, the next is being printed, and all but the very last page is dry immediately after the even-numbered pages are printed.
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    9. Re:Printers we would like to see by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      Plus according some review I read, it's pretty stingy on ink compared to other printers. I've never been disapointed with a single Canon product I've purchased, they actually some with good printed manuals.

      I can say with all that for every 12oz of ink I put in my Epson, about 2oz was purged if not more. I haven't found a method to measure the canon's waste ink but I can see looking inside that it's not the big sloppy mess the Epson was.

      I couldn't find free linux drivers
      ftp://download.canon.jp/pub/driver/bj/linux/

      Pixus = Pixma. There even is a service mode feature that would allow you to select Pixus, the same place that would allow you to enable CD printing.

      Off, +resume +power -resume 2x resume -power
      1x resume 1x power = test print
      2x resume 1x power = rom info
      5x resume 1x = destination

      -resume x then power 1x.
      - 1 times Pixus iPx100 Japan
      - 2 times Not Japan no CD-r support a4 paper
      - 3 times Not Japan No CD-R support letter paper
      - 4 times Not Japan CD-R support a4 paper
      - 5 times Not Japan CD-R support letter paper
      - 6 times you wish to abort and get back to the first menu
      Power, power, poof.

      I haven't tried the drivers yet, but since I got rid of my HP it'll be required soon.

      Now if someone had the service manual for the mP760 to enable the same feature i'd be jumping for joy.

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  43. The site's not responding, but by FuckTheModerators · · Score: 1

    the mirrordot of this is here.

  44. pr0n by ChrisCoyier · · Score: 0

    So I can finnally print porn faster than I can slideshow it.

  45. Not so fast, accounting for catridge changing. by strongmace · · Score: 1

    Sure it can print pages fast, but every few minutes you'd need to stop and change the cartridge! They always stick it to you with the damn ink cartridges!

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  46. Erm? by torstenvl · · Score: 1

    "Revolutionary" ?

    It uses the same method as LED displays have for years and it's revolutionary?

    I can just see it now. People chanting in the streets. This technology is so great it'll overthrow the United Nations. Maybe it was this technology that resulted in the NON!(!!) vote in France!

    Let's try and keep the fanatical hyperbole to a minimum, shall we?

  47. 150 pages per minute? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So that means it can actually print 50 pages per minute? Printers can never even come close to their advertised speeds. If you're printing one character per page in draft mode, the sheet-feeder doesn't even seem fast enough to handle it.

  48. How are they going to dry those pages? by cplusplus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Okay, 150ppm for A6. How wet are those pages? And A6 is a very small piece of paper (about 1/4 the surface area of 8.5x11). My guess is that if you wanted a somewhat dry, smear proof 8.5x11 piece of paper, the speed of that Brother printer would be at most 30-40ppm (which is still fast for ink!).

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    1. Re:How are they going to dry those pages? by anno1602 · · Score: 1

      Because they don't use a moving print head, the width of the paper is of no consequence. By placing two A6-heads side by side, they could get DIN A4 at 150ppm (A4 = 210x297 mm which is 8.27x11.7 in for you non-metric types)

      Drying the stuff is another matter and they don't go into detail, but I'm ready to assume that they're not stupid.

    2. Re:How are they going to dry those pages? by pclminion · · Score: 1
      My guess is that if you wanted a somewhat dry, smear proof 8.5x11 piece of paper, the speed of that Brother printer would be at most 30-40ppm (which is still fast for ink!).

      They could have multiple output trays and cycle between them. With three trays you could have a net speed of 50 ppm to each tray. An absolutely ugly hack, yes, but it's a possibility.

      Or they could be using an ink that just dries quickly. The father of one of my good friends was one of the progenitors of inkjet printing, and he says it's quite possible to create ink that dries that quickly, but it's going to be some damned expensive ink (yes, even more expensive than it is now) and probably produce hazardous vapors as it dries...

    3. Re:How are they going to dry those pages? by seann · · Score: 1

      most inkjet printers do 30 8.5/11 ppm in fast draft now a days

      and fast draft looks good.

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    4. Re:How are they going to dry those pages? by prjames · · Score: 1

      Easy, with the amount of heat produced by a machine working at that speed the ink wont just be dry, it'll be nice and toasted. Low speed=high quality=lightly done. high speed=draft=charcoal. Farenheit 451 comes to mind here.

    5. Re:How are they going to dry those pages? by povvell · · Score: 1

      The drying process was one of the mysteries of the demonstration. We asked them how come the pages were bone dry on exit and no-one answered. So we're in the dark on this. By the way sorry for the site being down. Much embarrasment. Dear old Slashdot, how we love thee! :-)

    6. Re:How are they going to dry those pages? by cplusplus · · Score: 1

      The width of the paper may be of no consequence, but the length is. That's my point. The paper still has to travel the length of A4. 4x the surface area with only two heads and still able to maintain the same print speed? Something doesn't add up. Assuming constant paper path velocity, 150ppm A6 == 75ppm A4. Check out this wiki article on paper size: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_sizes

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    7. Re:How are they going to dry those pages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they dont. Have you ever seen any inkjet printer print a page in two seconds? Those numbers are beyond inflated.

    8. Re:How are they going to dry those pages? by seann · · Score: 1

      yes they do
      go pick up a hp deskjet 6840

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    9. Re:How are they going to dry those pages? by anno1602 · · Score: 1

      The width of the paper may be of no consequence, but the length is.

      You're right. I'm going to hide in the corner now.
  49. So you too can buy ink by the tankerload by wowbagger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At those speeds, I shudder to think how fast you can burn through ink.

    I suppose you can find the people/businesses with these printers by the 6 large water towers converted into ink tanks out back....

  50. Non-karma whoring version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    World's fastest inkjet printer?

    Posted by Red in future tech | E-Mail This Entry

    The Brother Industries high speed inkjet printer in prototype form. Codenamed Cobra, this little puppy can spit out any size of print output at around 170 pages per minute. OK, you want me to back up and repeat that? Any size of printed inkjet paper output at 170 pages every sixty seconds. Demonstrated for the first time ever last week at a Brother press seminar. How are they doing it? Well....

    So apparently the secret lies in the use of new Piezo Inkjet Line Head technology, which prints at 600×600 dpi, but doesn't actually move at all. The ink is transferred at high speed as the paper passes underneath the static nozzles. (see below left - click on all images for full view)

    In order to get the throughput, the printer contains a separate head for each colour, so that the paper receives all the ink in one high speed sweep. The passel of assembled journalists at the demonstration last week saw this beast churn out 150 A6 pages a minute without drawing breath, which was pretty darn impressive. (see below right for a scan of the actual printed output)

    The company boffins at the demo told us that in order to achieve this speed for larger paper sizes, they just need to connect up more heads in a wider array. For instance, two heads joined together longways would give A4 printing. The concept of poster sized inkjet prints being produced at offset litho printing speeds is little short of miraculous. But just think of the ink costs...ouch!

    Apparently this technology also features the lowest power requirements of any inkjet head on the market, and is smaller than equivalent spec products, which should eventually mean good things for home as well as industrial users. Eventually? Well, the technology was first announced at this year's Cebit exhibition in Germany, but this was the first ever live demonstration to the media, and the company is being very coy on any production dates. In fact it seems that the tech needs some co-operative funding (i.e. a production partner?) in order to progress further. And no word on potential retail pricing was given either.

    So for now the printer is seeing action only at the World Fair in Aichi, Japan, printing out A6 sheets for tourist visitors to the Brother pavilion. Here's hoping we see more of this amazing technology sooner rather than later. In the meantime here's a PDF of the technology paper.

    Specification Notes.
    Head - 2656 nozzles per head, 600 dpi, 108 mm width (4.25 inches).
    Print speed - 800 mm per second.
    Energy saving - Deformable Piezo actuator provides 1/14 of the power requirement of conventional nozzles. For example, the A6 picture sample on the right requires only 3 watts of power, at 150 sheets per minute.
    Size - Trapezoidal nozzle zone shape provides for dense arrangement of cavities. The result is a head which is 152 mm wide, 22 mm deep and 1 mm high. Heads can be arranged in longer arrays as needed.
    Droplet size - Unspecified. 4 sizes available.
    Reliability - 10 billion dots/nozzle or more (still testing).

    The scanned picture which the article mentions was continuously printed at 150 pages per minute is here [redferret.net]. As sample images go it does contain a lot of colour, I would've assumed a "150 pages per minute" claim would've been in non-Real World cases like printing 8 coloured pixels on a piece of A4.

  51. Static heads? How quaint by red_dragon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Stationary print heads... that seems so much like the old-as-balls HP line printers that we have here that I'm wondering if they're going to have it print on fanfold greenbar paper. Maybe they'll rediscover batch processing too.

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    1. Re:Static heads? How quaint by KevDude · · Score: 1
      Maybe they'll rediscover batch processing too.

      They did... its called Grid Computing...

    2. Re:Static heads? How quaint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stationary print heads... that seems so much like the old-as-balls HP line printers that we have here that I'm wondering if they're going to have it print on fanfold greenbar paper. Maybe they'll rediscover batch processing too.

      Stationary print heads? You mean like laser printers? How droll!

    3. Re:Static heads? How quaint by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      Stationary print heads... that seems so much like the old-as-balls HP line printers that we have here that I'm wondering if they're going to have it print on fanfold greenbar paper.

      Mmmmm ... line printers. Fanfold paper. Greenbar.

      I'm having flashbacks to using a teletype console which was hooked up to a VAX 11/780. And all of the many stacks of greenbar paper I had to collect from the central printer.

      I miss those days. Only a little mind you. But there was something fun about loud mechanical printers and 17" wide paper. =)
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  52. I second that. by markov_chain · · Score: 1

    I'm already able to zoom arbitrarily into QCIF sized webcam shots to enlarge the details. The advent of sound cards enabled cool chirping sound effects while stretching the zoom bounding box. But printing those images has always been a problem! Thank you Brother!

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    1. Re:I second that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe the photo software Deckard was using was also able to look around a corner. Now that's fancy!

  53. Can the connection to the printer keep up? by csimpkin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder if the connection (I assume usb 2.0) can handle 150 full color photos in a minute. The article indicated that the demo printed 150 copies of the same photo. So, it only had to send one photo to the printer. I could see printing photo albums with this, but that is a lot of data to send to the printer.

    1. Re:Can the connection to the printer keep up? by evilviper · · Score: 1
      I wonder if the connection (I assume usb 2.0) can handle 150 full color photos in a minute.

      USB 2.0 would have no problem at all transfering 150 uncompressed 600x600 images in a minute. It could handle MUCH more than that.
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  54. 150 "sheets" per minute by p3d0 · · Score: 1

    A "sheet" in this case is an A6 sheet, which is 1/4 the area of a letter-sized piece of paper. It's roughly the size of a 4x6 photo: a little under 4.2" x 5.9" (105mm x 148mm).

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  55. New Guinness daughter? by Thijs+van+As · · Score: 1

    Slashdot: The Guinness Site of Records!

  56. publishing house by unk1911 · · Score: 1

    At that rate, anyone could open up a small printing-press, producing about 10,000 copies of a 150 page book in a week or so...

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    1. Re:publishing house by McGiraf · · Score: 1

      It would probably cost you more in ink than the price you could sell the book for.

      Also, an ink-jet printed book would not last very long.

  57. It's an ink jet line printer by greed · · Score: 2, Informative

    So they reinvented the dot-matrix line printer.

    Maybe it's new for ink jet, but it isn't new for printing. Line printers were pretty standard for high-speed but low-quality printing up until about 15 years ago; the economical laser printer killed them off.

    The dot-matrix line printers would have a solid row of pins across the ribbon, and would form a complete row at a time. The fixed-font printers had a solid row of character hammers and a chain with the letter-forms on it. The chain was set up so that there would be more of the more frequently-used letters. The controller would then fire all the hammers it could when the right letters were in front of them, so very quickly it had formed the entire line also.

    Oh, and "dot matrix" means "formed with a matrix of dots", so ink jet, laser, thermal, electrostatic, and pin-impact printers are all dot matrix. Daisy wheel, type ball, that funny thimble one, and the letter-chain line printer are all fixed-font... and we used to like them!

    Modern low-end laser and LED printers really work the same way; a laser scan or LED bar exposes a row on a photostatic drum, which then picks up the toner and sticks it on the page. But you're still drawing a line of dots at a time, you just have to draw it on a transfer medium. (And with toner, you have to iron it out to make it stick--the so-called "fuser".)

    1. Re:It's an ink jet line printer by geswraith · · Score: 1

      The later models had a flat metal band (like a band saw) instead of a chain but the ones I liked the best were the drum printers. A spinning drum had all of the characters repeated for each column position and each column had a hammer. A line could be printed in one revolution of the drum. Both quite fast and impressively deafening.

  58. World Fair? by joschm0 · · Score: 0
    So for now the printer is seeing action only at the World Fair in Aichi, Japan

    Do they still have World Fairs? That's the biggest surprise to me.

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  59. Printer pranks with fast printers. by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 5, Funny
    Printers like this are just asking for company pranksters to screw around! In our company, there is this "resident nerd" (I'm the resident "geek"--I suppose there is a difference) who does all kinds of computer pranks. Most are a lot of the usual ones, like taking a screenshot of Windows saying you performed an illegal operation, and then setting that as the wallpaper... But a few were truly original and imaginative. Once, right around the time Windows 95 was coming out and most people still used DOS, he coded up a fake DOS command line interpreter. It looked like the usual DOS screen, black, with a "C:\>"... Any command you typed would return a "Bad command or file name." You type DIR and it says "Bad command or file name." It was in the autoexec file, so if you rebooted, that didn't help. Those kinds of pranks, simple but effective.

    I'm mentioning this in a post about fast printers because a year or two ago, he devised a program that sent tons and tons of empty pages to the printer at high speed, as quickly as possible, so that people won't know what's going on. As luck would have it, he owned a laser printer identical to the office printer. He disassembled his own printer and disconnected the power switch so it would be "always on", and he installed a battery in some empty space inside that would allow it to keep running for a minute or two if unplugged, he installed a hidden screw that held the paper tray inside so you couldn't pull it out to "save the paper" (it's stuck!), and somehow he had it so when you try to print a legitimate file, it would just start spitting out the "blank" pages, without printing anything on them. The day before, he collected tons of "scratch" paper that had all kinds of meaningless junk printed on it, and placed it inside the paper tray. He made "the switch", putting his own printer in place of the office one. In the morning, the secretary tried to print something, and from her perception, it appeared that all the data got screwed up on the way to the printer. Random ascii characters were spewing out at high speed. Little did she know it was pre-printed. She tried to pull out the paper tray and when she realized it was stuck, she clicked "cancel printing" and when that didn't work, she turned off the power switch to the printer, and when that didn't work, she turned off the whole UPS that the computer and printer were plugged in to, and when that didn't work (she thought the UPS battery was still powering it), she unplugged the printer from the UPS... She had messed up the whole desk in a matter of minutes, and the printer kept spewing things out! She truly freaked out! But the best part was when the nerd admitted it was a prank... She actually smacked him! It was funny.

    1. Re:Printer pranks with fast printers. by Hard_Code · · Score: 1

      HAR HAR HAR

      There is another term for that. Resident asshole.

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    2. Re:Printer pranks with fast printers. by GuiDisabled · · Score: 1

      and as the resident Geek, with admin rights I'm assuming - what did YOU do? No login? wrong mapppings? sporadic re-boots? password changes? default to sol.exe instead of windows? slashdot is the only page he can access? change all files to read-only? Escort said A-Hole to the door with pink slip in hand?

    3. Re:Printer pranks with fast printers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      nah, as the resident asshole, i mapped slashdot.org in the firewall to the ip address of slashdot.jp, hehe, you should've seen the look on me coworker's face... He was convinced slashdot got hacked...

      man, that was funny :-) sorry... yeah, i'm the resident asshole, i don't laugh at the same things other people laugh at...

    4. Re:Printer pranks with fast printers. by snookums · · Score: 2, Funny

      Best admin prank I ever saw was someone who put this in the crontab of a test server which was sitting in the middle of the office:

      3 20 * * * eject
      19 20 * * * eject -t

      Freaked the hell out of people working late ;-)

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    5. Re:Printer pranks with fast printers. by GuiDisabled · · Score: 1

      Hey, I love a good one when they deserve it and retaliation is not only legal but expected.... I guess the meanest thing I have done was to switch a jokers windows shell from explorer to solitaire.

  60. Anyone seen HP in the printer world lately? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    Looks like HP is losing its reputation as the printer technology leader.

  61. Don't forget the rebate by MarkByers · · Score: 1

    Don't worry! Just buy the ink...

    Sure, ink seems expensive now, but in 5 years time there will be a class action lawsuit and everyone that has been locked into buying overpriced ink will be entitled to a $3 rebate.

    So it's not as bad as you make out! ;)

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    1. Re:Don't forget the rebate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More likely a $3 coupon redeemable off your next overpriced ink purchase. Inkjets are obsolete, even color lasers are sub-$500 now.

  62. Fast Inkjet printers can lead to the dark side. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Fast and cheap inkjet printers. With extreamly overpriced ink. Fine the inkjet is faster now. But what it the cost per print? How does it compare with Laser or Solid Ink. Unfortunatly the reason why people spend the extra money on lasers and solid ink is because they print rather fast, so now people will see $100 Inkjet printers that print at the speed of a laser and jump right on them. And after every 3 minutes of printing you need a $30 cartridge of ink. Laser and Solid Ink offer far more pages per dolar in cost of suplies, vs. Inkjet. (still ink for Ground up plastic for laser, or the cost of a stick of wax (reson) for solid ink is also extramly high as well, but it is no where close the the markup of inkjet)

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  63. for #3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Encase the driver in 3 or 4 feet of concrete.
    That'll work for most bullets.

    1. Re:for #3 by Duhavid · · Score: 1

      But not for a steady torrent of bullets.

      I recommend armour plate. 16" face hardened steel ought to do the trick very nicely.

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  64. Drying? by CrazyWingman · · Score: 1

    I would say they'd also need a faster-drying ink, no? Or perhaps a heater on the output or something. I know whenever I print it takes a hell of a lot longer than half of a second for the ink to dry.

  65. Talk about old news ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was announced by Brother March 9th this year. Check out their documentation for this new technology. Interesting read, neverless !

  66. Buh Bye... by BaldingByMicrosoft · · Score: 0

    ...redferret.net. Buh bye.

  67. China? Hello? by superultra · · Score: 1

    In tech, and specifically PCs, large companies have driven research and progress. But it seems that there is always an OEM market that keeps prices reasonable, or finds ways to create the same product but cheaper.

    Why isn't that happening with printers? Why isn't some off-market company coming up with printers that never need ink refills?

  68. Wheee! by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

    Finally, a quick, easy way for me to print out flipbook animations of all my porn vids!

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  69. Piezoelectric printing =? Epson Patent by fitsy · · Score: 1

    In my days of flogging epson kit, the technological advantage we used to stress to the customer was that Epson printers used their own patented technology (piezo electric), whilst all the rest used HP's/Canon's "bubblejet" technology. This was an advantage as anyone who'se seen Epson colour printouts will tell you, but I am wondering if anyone knows whether Brother have licenced this or have they developed something else which doesn't infringe on Epson patents...

    1. Re:Piezoelectric printing =? Epson Patent by doppleganger871 · · Score: 0

      Ya know, I used to like Epson printers... I've had a Stylus Color 400, Photo 780, and 820. I still have the 780 and 820. The one issue I have is if the print heads clog beyond fixing (even using a syringe with special cleaning fluid), then you gotta junk the printer, can't just get a new printhead, like you can with the Canon's. I refuse to buy HP or Lexcrap printers.

  70. I've thought about this, too. by RealProgrammer · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I believe its been tried before. Do a google search on "drum memory". Was slow, even for its day.

    It was only slow because they didn't know what we do now about how to fabricate electronics. They were using clunky wound-core magnetic pickups, which suffer from impedance problems: you can only make a magnetic field of a given size and strength expand and collapse so fast.

    With modern fabrication and magneto-resistive heads, it should be possible to make head arrays of (say) 32 tracks, which read 32 bits at a time. Whatever is needed to adapt to the geometry of the disk. Or you could just use one big array, but that might result in board layout problems. Some bright engineer can figure that one out.

    With enough head arrays, you could cover the entire disk. That would eliminate seek time, get rid of the head actuator motor, and drive up reliability while driving down cost. Drives could be smaller and use less power, or other things being equal could spin faster.

    Given a fixed-head drive with one head per track (and probably you'd use several heads per track on the outer tracks), the time to read a particular sector would be about 1/2 the rotation of the disk, or 1/20000th of a minute for a 10K drive. That's 3ms.

    However, since the head is fixed, you could get a call to read a certain sector and immediately begin reading the track it's on into cache. So for files larger than half a track, after the first half track the data comes from cache and you can go on to the next read. With even a naive read-ahead cache algorithm, most of your reads would come from cache.

    Whatever other objections someone might have to this I have a trump card: for some applications, having a fixed head array makes sense. Once the technology is in use, eventually I think every hard disk would be made that way.

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    1. Re:I've thought about this, too. by Panaflex · · Score: 1

      I know someone who worked at Stratus (high availability servers) on a project for state lotteries.

      They tested hard drives with 2 seperate servo arms + heads, thinking that if one head goes bad then they park it. The other advantage, was the increased write speed.

      In the end however, it was determined that RAID was just as reliable for the same cost and didn't require custom manufacturing.

      -Pan

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    2. Re:I've thought about this, too. by nahdude812 · · Score: 1

      I think the problem is that read/write heads are orders of magnitude larger than the real estate consumed by a single bit. There's thousands and thousands of tracks across the radius of a disk and enough room for only 40 or 50 read heads on the same disk. I think you'd get more storage out of solid state memory such as a usb thumb drive.

      Plus it still needs to spin the disk to put the data under those heads, so although you would save seek time you'd still pay for latency which is always averaged out to half the rotational period of the disk (between 4.1 and 5.5 ms on most modern disks).

  71. Coral cache by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

    http://redferret.net.nyud.net:8090/?p=5291

    I wonder why the story links don't use it BY DEFAULT? Just add .nyud.net:8090 after the domain name. Is that too hard?

  72. How this works by Animats · · Score: 1
    There have been xerographic printers with speeds like this for many years. A Xerox DocuColor is faster. But this is a smaller technology.

    Brother's press press release shows what they're doing. The slow version still has a moving print head, but they hope to reach the point where there's one big print head covering the entire width of the paper. That eliminates the scanning mechanism and makes large ink tanks possible, since the ink tanks don't have to move.

    Nothing yet from Brother on how much the print head will cost.

  73. Re:I beat 150 color pages in one minute once by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You FAIL IT on HISTORIC 666th post

    More LIBATIONS to THE GODS!

  74. Re:Heat Exchange - from where by dmanny · · Score: 1

    TFA says it consumed only 3 watts.

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  75. this tech was demonstrated decades ago by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    It was on "Tomorrow's World" which tells our British listeners how long ago I'm talking. The demonstration was of *huge* print jobs though, A2, A1 and A0 sort of size.

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  76. Small thinking. by RealProgrammer · · Score: 2, Insightful
    You cant put so many heads over the disc because the head is orders of magnitudes wider than the track.

    Current heads are bigger because they have to move around. The actual functional part of the head is by definition exactly the width of one track. And width along the disk radius is the only dimension that really matters. Height along the spindle axis and length along the track arc are bounded, but of less concern.

    you could not keep them calibrated, plus even IF you could, seek times would get MUCH worse because of resonanz modes of the arm complex, increased inertia, ect.

    Ah, I see your trouble. There is no arm. The head is fixed. Calibration is done one time. The only movement between platter and track is due to vibration and heat expansion, which are problems on different level: that's about track size and fly height, not feasibility. Once it's working, then you can worry about making it work better.

    A serious problem with current drives is the reliance on the Bernoulli effect and fly height. With fixed heads, you could (mostly) evacuate the chamber, leaving just enough air (or some gas of your choosing) to allow filtration of microscopic debris.

    Another neat thing that fixing the heads allows is better shock resistance.

    A lot of the time innovation comes from people on the fringe of an industry with a fresh perspective.

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    1. Re:Small thinking. by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      No, current heads ARENT bigger because they have to move around. IN fact, being big is quite a hinderance when moving.
      The simply size-limiting factor of current heads is the writing coil. You cant just shrink it down to 500nm or something.

      b)Again: i now see what you have in mind (wasnt that clear before). Ok, now you have the hyothetical disc with all 20,000 heads in a row (20,000 singly points of failure, btw). you already spoke of the thermal problems/vibration.

      But take a look at the electrical side. Signal processing wise: If you rally want to use all those heads at once, every head needs the signal processing pipeline backing it that now a single HD has to at its disposal... So we are talking about supercomputer class dsp power for a single drive here.
      The alternative would be just switching heads, but that would cut down STR to normal hd levels, and the access time wouldnt improve that much (at least considering the cost of the design) because modern high end HD alrady have positioning times in the ballpark of the spin latency.

      Also you simply disregard problems with stiktion (you cant park such a head assembly outside the data layers) and keeping the damn thing floating above the surface (the old drum memories hadnd those problems). We are talking about sub um pressision in lateral and horizontal direction over the whole assembly. Thats not cheap, even if it were possible.

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    2. Re:Small thinking. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Current heads are bigger because they have to move around. The actual functional part of the head is by definition exactly the width of one track. And width along the disk radius is the only dimension that really matters. Height along the spindle axis and length along the track arc are bounded, but of less concern.
      Unfortunately, the head can't be as small as the track, it's big because it needs to generate/receive a magnetic field. That requires a winding which will always require it to be larger.

      Also, the heads need to move because the tracks aren't always in the same place due to noise, slightly different power levels between writes, thermal variance, and probably other things I don't even know about. I'm also pretty sure that reading requires different head positioning than writing. Even if the above is not true, if the heads were misaligned even the tiniest bit, the data would be lost. It would be near impossible to realign so many heads (which realistically wouldn't have precise spacing) once alignment had been lost.

      There's also the issue of needing a method of precise and consistent vertical alignment since so many heads would not be able to ride on a cushion of air as is currently done. We'd also need another method to route the signals to and from the heads since so many wires running from each head would create crosstalk and noise issues. Even after all that work, so many heads would create cost issues that would create a drive that is likely significantly more expensive, less reliable, and as another person mentioned, better replaced with a RAID setup.

    3. Re:Small thinking. by lkeagle · · Score: 1

      Disk reliability is highly governed by mechanical failure. Any fruitful attempt to create a more reliable hard drive head design would then logically have to include a reduction of moving parts. Rigid bodies can be secured with far greater precision and tolerance than movable solenoid-driven parts, therefore the goal that is being presented in the granparent's design is one of a 100% stationary head. The only moving part in this system would then be the rotating platters, and the main point of falure would then be the bearing. Fluid bearing and magnetic bearing drives could provide added reliability to those design points, but removing the delicate moving head assembly would have to produce drives with at least an order of magnitude more reliability than current consumer designs.

      If the only argument against this is that the magnetic pickup on the head can't be made small enough to place many side by side, I would present the option that the head does not have to cover one linear radius across the platter, but rather each sequential pickup coil could be offset by some angle, thus producing heads spiraling out from the center. This entire head pickup assembly could then be precisely and firmly mounted above the platter and voila!... The most reliable and expensive hard drive ever created.

      I dunno about you, but I'd buy one.

      And I could imagine a Linux Beowolf cluster of them too...

  77. Statement above only partially correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While this particular printer only prints 150 A6 pages, it is clearly written in the article:

    The company boffins at the demo told us that in order to achieve this speed for larger paper sizes, they just need to connect up more heads in a wider array. For instance, two heads joined together longways would give A4 printing

  78. Some printers don't suck by metamatic · · Score: 1

    My new laser printer has a prominent red "Cancel" button on the top, which cancels the job...

    Another good feature would be if printer drivers had a "cost per page" config parameter, so when people asked to print something it would bring up a dialog saying "Printing this 400 page document on the printer EPSON Color Stylus will cost $1200, are you sure?"

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  79. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    mod parent up

  80. Re:China? Hello? by Yaotzin · · Score: 1

    Because ink does actually stick on paper and magicly disappear from the ink cartridge. If we were to see a printer that would never need an ink refill it would have to use something else than ink.

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  81. Ink Cartridge Drying Out? by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 1

    I think for most of us, it's more important for the manufacturors to come up with an ink formula that doesn't dry out and clugging the print head than any minute per page speed improvement. Print head clugging is probably (in my own experience) the single most frustrating problem with inkjet. Of course, this might cut into manufacturors' profit derived from ink cartridges...

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    1. Re:Ink Cartridge Drying Out? by PyroSas · · Score: 1

      Well... now you have many more print heads to clog!

    2. Re:Ink Cartridge Drying Out? by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

      Print head clogging is a cash cow - if you don't keep using your printer (i.e buying more ink) it stops working. If it gets clogged up you have to waste ink to un-clog it meaning even more ink bought. With this new one its going to be even better because a new print head will cost 10 times more, so if you get to that really clogged stage they will make even more money!

      Now if someone can give me the magic figures i can just print a special clog-busting page at the right time intervals to stop it happening, what's the sweet spot?

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    3. Re:Ink Cartridge Drying Out? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Exactly; why would printer manufacturers want to make printer ink work better when consumers are perfectly happy to buy new $30 cartridges when their old ones dry out?

      Smart consumers would buy a laser printer to avoid this mess, but smart consumers are very rare these days.

  82. Re:triapse across town by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You whippersnappers today.
    When I was young, we didn' triapse, we crawled. And we liked it just fine.

  83. Tiny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Penis. You have a really tiny one, right?

  84. US A4 - 2 heads and twice as long by davidwr · · Score: 1

    A6 is 1/4 the size of A4, which is 8.26" x 11.66".

    Assuming a 1/8" left and right margin, that's about 75 ppm for 8.5"x11".

    In a few years if and when this gets cheap, it will become the standard way of doing things, until of course something better comes along.

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  85. Funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... it doesn't look like much more than ~100 dpi on that scan...

  86. Had to say it by sysbot · · Score: 1

    Can it take slashdoting?

  87. Brother, not Canon by NineNine · · Score: 1

    Not, the article is Slashdotted, but even the ARTICLE SUMMARY specifically says, "Brother Industries". Not Canon. Can you read?

  88. What about the cost per page? by metamatic · · Score: 1

    Since we're talking inkjet, I want to know what the cost per page is for that mother. It might be more efficient than burning a stack of $20 bills.

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  89. and on related news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it takes 5 ink cartrages at $35 each to print those 150 pages

  90. line printer by budgenator · · Score: 1

    Your right its nothing new, well completely new.

    Deformable Piezo actuator, I read that as probably a piezo-electric crystal that physicaly pushes the ink through the nozzle, which will probably mean that it's not a sensative to the ink as a thermal-inkjet would be.
    It will probably allow for pigmented inks with higher opacity more like air-brush paint, transperant inks like a dye, glossy inks, or even conductive inks for us mere-mortals types.

    Other than that it's just an update of the good-ol' line-printers of the 60's.

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  91. *ding* *ding* *ding* by metamatic · · Score: 1

    Yes, spend $150 and buy yourself a laser printer.

    Or $500 if you want color.

    And don't buy an HP, their drivers are awful.

    I just got a Konica Minolta 2430DL. Plugged it in and it worked with Linux, no problems. The only thing it lacks is duplex printing.

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  92. Yes, Virginia This is Something New by mpapet · · Score: 1

    Ground-Breaking New? No.

    But, imagine this thing in a production environment.

    It kills high-end inkjets in speed and I'm guessing there isn't any new head-technology besides getting so many to work together so well.

    The bottleneck is in RIPing the image and the usual getting the job set-up effort.

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  93. Large format printers often do this by tweedlebait · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://novajet1000i.encad.com/?s=1332&c=opp04

    Many of them have extra tanks. The encad linked above has 8 500mL tanks, each tank runs $40 - $120 (yup! $0.08 per mL!). The actual printheads are replacable and look very similar to the old classic HP inkjet cartidge filled with foam and a hose on the top where the refill nib is.

    The cool thing about these systems are that you can keep an extra tank to automatically switch to when one is dry, or you can switch easily between different inks for different purposes -outdoor/ uv resistant inks, archival, etc.

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  94. Servo System by Detritus · · Score: 1

    It wouldn't work. At the small scales used in modern hard drives, you can't park a head over a track and do I/O. It's more like one of those old arcade racing games, where the road swerves from side to side as you travel forward down the race track. The drive electronics have to continuously adjust the head position to keep it flying down the center of the track. Optical drives are even worse, they have to move the head assembly up-and-down and side-to-side to keep the laser focused on the track.

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  95. If only the'd release the Linux drivers... by darkonc · · Score: 1
    I got a really nice Brother MFC-4420 multifunction printer/scanner/fax unit with card reader slots -- really nice except for one thing:

    Absolutely no support for Linux. Not for the scanner, or the printeer. I havan't tried to access the memory cards. It's annoying. What's even more annoying is that they already have a CUPS driver for MacOS, so Linux support for at least the printer would be trivial.

    Until the issue is resolved, I won't suggest brother devices to any of my friends or clients, because if they want to flip to Linux, they won't have any support.

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  96. Don't Tell Kinko's by writerjosh · · Score: 1

    Wow, that's pretty fast. Don't let Kinko's find out or they'll charge you $2 a sheet for color copies.

    I'd really like to see an actual printout before I pass judgment, but my suspicions are pretty high that the quality isn't all that good. I've seen "fast" printers before, and the images are usually less than stellar. But who knows, maybe I'm wrong on this one.

  97. A Borg Printer! by Jerry · · Score: 1

    That's what it looks like to me.

    The giant Cube can't be far way!

    All your printers are belong to us!

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  98. Cartridgezzz by Azzhole · · Score: 1

    Sweet !! The printer only costs $125 The cartridge is $49,000...

  99. Re:China? Hello? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Why isn't some off-market company coming up with printers that never need ink refills?

    Because ink is a physical item that is consumed in the process of printing? How do you propose marks be made on the paper?

    But if someone is working on it, I'd prefer this technology first be directed at my wallet.

  100. $100 per minute by macemoneta · · Score: 1

    So, this printer can burn through about $100 in ink per minute? Great idea, if you're a printer company. Until the cost of inkjet ink drops by two orders of magnitude (to about 1 cent per full color page), this won't be a consumer product. The only reason consumers are buying inkjets now is because they can't do math, and don't realize how much it's costing them per page.

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    1. Re:$100 per minute by jwind · · Score: 1

      errr...no, The reason comsumers buy inkjets are b/c they actually make good prints. Ever try printing anything except word documents with a laser printer? Coloraccuracy is prolly a cool 50% (give or take) -- Never mind the image quality.

    2. Re:$100 per minute by macemoneta · · Score: 1

      Like I said, they can't do math. :-)

      You can send the page(s) to a photo print shop and get photos and images professionally printed for about the same (or less) than it costs to print on an inkjet at home (depending on image size/density). Low cost laser printers, while only printing B/W, are much lower in cost per page.

      Inkjets do provide immediacy, and that may be worth the cost to some. However, the total costs for the few times it's really needed don't make a lot of sense.

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  101. Riiiighhht... by darkmeridian · · Score: 1

    How big does the battery have to be to run a *laser printer* for even a couple of minutes? Hmmm...

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    1. Re:Riiiighhht... by physicsphairy · · Score: 1
      How big does the battery have to be to run a *laser printer* for even a couple of minutes? Hmmm...

      Not very big at all. All it's really doing is moving sheets of paper from the input tray to the output tray. The internals would probably only require 12-24v dc, and a lot of current, which is consistent with the grandparent's assertion that it would run off one battery with a very short lifespan.

      Besides, the concept is brilliant. I don't care if the story turns out to be fabricated, it's funny, ingenious, and well-worth implementing in other scenarios. >:)

    2. Re:Riiiighhht... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I imagine that if you disconnected power to the imager and the fuser units, you could probably run a laser printer for a while on a battery. After all, at that point, you're only powering the electronics and the paper motor so that you can move pages from the bottom tray to the output. If I'm not mistaken, the part which consumes lots of current is the fuser, so if you're not using that, the power requirement won't be that great.

    3. Re:Riiiighhht... by adagioforstrings · · Score: 1

      Uh, why don't you try plugging a laser printer into a a typical UPS and tell me what happens.

    4. Re:Riiiighhht... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plugging a laser printer into a typical UPS and somehow "hiding" a battery inside the laser printer are two completely different things. And if you disconnect the fuser and "imaging unit" (ha!) the printer isn't just going to ignore that and spit out blank pages. This story is a complete fabrication.

      And yes, IAAPT (I am a printer technician)

    5. Re:Riiiighhht... by adagioforstrings · · Score: 1

      Plugging a laser printer into a typical UPS and somehow "hiding" a battery inside the laser printer are two completely different things.

      They aren't quite the same, but if a UPS battery can't handle it, then I doubt some kind of internal battery could. You talking about AC vs DC as the biggest difference?

    6. Re:Riiiighhht... by physicsphairy · · Score: 1
      "You talking about AC vs DC as the biggest difference?"

      I'm only an acolyte as far as electrical stuff goes, but I know that galvanic cells (i.e. batteries) are necessarily dc. If you have a battery running a power supply then it has to be transformed to ac, and then back to dc again. I would imagine there would be a fairly significant loss of energy, meaning a lot more current has to be pulled from the battery than is actually being used. Anyway, you oughtn't have increduility that a small battery would sustain motors like that. I have worked on robots which do some pretty grueling things on AA's. Granted, they had to be recharged quite often, but then that's the case here, isn't it?

    7. Re:Riiiighhht... by adagioforstrings · · Score: 1

      I'm no electrical expert either...but yeah, you're right, there would be big losses.
      The problem with a *laser* printer is not the motors, but the damn fuser. It's an electric heater. I've seen references to a laser printer drawing 5 amps when the heater kicks on. Even if you could somehow wire a battery to run the fuser (possible?) and avoid AC-DC conversion, how long could it run the fuser's heater (and up to 395 deg F)?? The printer wouldn't run if the fuser's not up to temp either.

    8. Re:Riiiighhht... by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 1

      My brand new Brother laser printer is rated at 1000W while in use. So that's 5A, indeed, at 220V.

  102. Who shall be the first to cry out ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Jane! Stop this crazy thing!"

  103. in other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the rainforest is shrinking even faster than it did yesterday.

  104. Arrays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make an array of these heads and we'll be set. Then make an array of those arrays of heads and we'll be sitting pretty. Inkjets Christ!

  105. Yes, I stole this from "Red Dwarf" by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

    I had an epson C84 printer... brand new... when the came-with-the-printer inks ran out, I bought some 3rd party ones... Two problems... the ink smelled -- like rotten eggs. You could smell it if a printed page was on the desk, and you were standing two feet away.

    Aaah... I see the problem. Instead of the 'black' or 'cyan/yellow/magenta' cartridges, you bought the 'cat's piss' odour-ink cartridge.

    This unique innovation allows you to print messages that your feline friends can understand using their own mode of communication (i.e. smell).

    Of course, Fluffy doesn't have to know how to use a computer in order to reply. Just leave a sheet of paper out, and she'll give you a reply in no time!

    We recommend you do this outdoors.

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  106. Fast? That's not fast... by FeatherBoa · · Score: 1

    Now this is fast.

    what they say is the world's fastest inkjet printer.

    Ha! I say.

    Kodak Versamark VX5000/VX5000e printing systems are designed to handle very heavy-duty production. These systems have print speeds of 150 Metres per minute, yielding more than 2,000 pages per minute, producing 100% variable data in black, spot colour or CMYK process colour, depending on the configuration.

    Now thats fast.

  107. Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, it only took 20 years.

    Now the question is, how do you do "Microweaving," or otherwise compensate for clogs and slight nozzle variations with this? Back when Constellation 3D existed, they were going to use microactuators to read their FMD 'Clearcards' -- and IBM does something similar with their nanoscale punchcard storage tech -- how long will it take Brother to figure out that they can jostle the fixed head slightly and add 'noise' to make up for the expected streaking? (Or, pray, is this actually part of the mechanism already, so users won't have to accept the tradeoff?)

  108. These are slow... by val1s · · Score: 1

    Well for Black and white printers, 1,000 page per minute printers have been around for years.
    http://www.kodakversamark.com/servlet/page?_pageid =158&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&_type=site&_fs iteid=34&_fid=60569&_fnavbarid=3080&_fnavbarsiteid =34&_fedit=0&_fmode=2&_fdisplaymode=1&_fcalledfrom =1&_fdisplayurl=

    That printer prints on 17.92" wide roll paper at 500 feet a minute, so two 8.5 x 11 sheets side by side with trim at almost 4 times the speed. Granted the printer mentioned in the story is color, but the kodak does spot color (black plus one highlight color)
    what ever happened to no news is good news?

  109. PAPER JAM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah and when this thing has a paper jam, it implodes upon itself. :P

  110. 150 ppm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that's also about 0.1 ink cartridges per minute. at least it's not an hp.

  111. Scitex by blip · · Score: 1
  112. he he good one. by GillBates0 · · Score: 1

    thanks for the laugh.

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  113. 150 A6 pages per minute people!!! by my_furry_butt · · Score: 1

    A6 is about as big as your hand...double the length to get the A4 length means ~75 pages per minute - nothing to write home about. We have new full colour inkjets here that print thousands of feet per minute - then again their about 12 metres long, so not really for your SOHO market.

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  114. Quotas to the rescue by j0ebaker · · Score: 1

    This is a very good reason to implement a print quota system on your color printers. Make sure they support Linux or you'll end up paying for some proprietary Linux drivers on a per user basis at around $30 per user.

    Before I came on board as Network Administrator, a Cannon Ink Jet 9100 was purchased - and alas, they can only print color to the old HP Deskjet 6xx & 8xx printers.

  115. Shroedinger's Splat by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    The fastest inkjet printer is launching an ink balloon out of a cannon. However, the resolution will be very poor. It is one of those Quantum Laws of Printing: the faster you print the worse the resolution and the balloon gun is simply an extreme example of this principle (so I explained to the judge in vain)....

  116. devil in the details by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

    No, I haven't RTFA, but a few things to take into account before wetting yourselves over this - sheet size (apparently A6 - which is postcard sized), what's the drying time on the inks, and how many prints can you do before changing the cartridges, is that engine repeat speed or first page out (the enigine may be that fast, but how fast is the interpreter?), is that speed sustainable or burst speed only?

    Given production colour lasers can't do that speed yet, I'm skeptical as to the practical realities of such a device.

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  117. Bandwidth requirement by dmhayden · · Score: 1

    Okay, 600 DPI on an 8.5" wide paper at 800mm/second. That's 8.5*800/25.4=267in^2/sec. 267*600*600 = 96.12*10^6 dots/sec. If each dot is 3 bits (one for each of 3 colors), that's 288.36Mbps.

    This is just a back-of-the-envelope calculation. Most print jobs don't print every dot and the driver could compress the stream, but the point is that this thing would require some serious bandwidth.