About the hardware: I suggest buying an SDTL2 tape system: the mechanism of tapes and tape-units are very realiable and the tape is highly resistant to EMP, better than any other tape media. DAT and 8mm and it's derivates are mechanically less stable, they are a bit slower too and takes less EMP.
Actually, I couldn't find the original news about this: It was back in the 70's or early 80's. The text of the Old and New Testament was digitised (Latin, Greek and some other sources) to find a translation that is most correct. The text analysis was ordered and supervised by the Holy See. The conclusion was that different wordings and differences in translation exist but still all of them are God words and those differences were human errors. The only citation of Vatican I found is this link, especially Chater III, 11. and Ch V. 18-19. http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vat ican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19651118_dei-v erbum_en.html
If you have money enough then Netbackup is a very nice solution: version handling, user-restore, fine-grain authentication of systems and users. User friendly interface, Scales excellent. There are modules for databases and different OS-es. Not cheap at all. When the database dies, it's very difficult to revive it. I suggest having a stand-in copy just in case.
I tested about 10 more or less freeware programs like Amanda, afbackup, Arkeia etc. - and idn't liked any of them. Basically I use 2 scripts on systems not on Netbackup: 1) 2-week cycle: Total bup on friday, incremental on weekdays, none on Sat-, Sundays. Local tape streamer or scp to another machine with large disk capacity and tape it from that one. No user interaction, only sysadmin access. Two tapes or tape sets for week one and for week 2 or disk directory A and B. 90% of restore is within 2 weeks. Perfect for smaller, developer systems. I use ufsdump, dump and/or gnu tar depending on OS and tasks. Written i shell script
2) Monthly cycle: Total bup once a month, incremental backup is a backup of all of the data that has changed since the last total backup weekly and daily incrementals from the nearest backup. I use GNU tar with labeling, plain text listing files for search for versions via grep. Several shell scripts in crontab and an demand. Wheel users and sysadmin access only. Data is stored for several months. Typical use smaller servers.
My most important advice: nobody get fired having a working backup! So time after time evaluate you backups! You must be sure that you can do Bare Metall Recovery at any time! Live CDs are nice to have at hand!
Again: nobody will be fired having a working backup! If your boss thinks that you spent too much time on restore-practice tell him that in case you have not enough security to do a BMR will he write it down that this is on his account...
ID in current form was defined a bit earlier, see relevant Wikipedia article I pointed out somewhere in this thread. Anyway, Pratchett was more fun than these pseudo-scientific ID-believers.
I wish the "Strata" was learned in school of Kansas under religion classes to keep it fair and balanced! >:->
Citing Wikipedia: "The phrase was coined in its present sense in Humanism, a 1903 book by Ferdinand Canning Scott Schiller: "It will not be possible to rule out the supposition that the process of evolution may be guided by an intelligent design" and was resurrected in the early 1980s by Sir Fred Hoyle as part of his promotion panspermia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design
So SF writers Terry Pratchet (Strata 1981) and Vonda M. McIntyre (Starfarers 1989) were a bit late, but more fun.
Imho in a way Fred Hoyle's idea may be possible but with a different twist: pre-life (RNA, virus?) can survive very harsh enviroments. Let's imagine that a supernova has sent parts of an inhabited planet toward the Solar system just as into all other directions and one or more particles of pre-life landed on Earh and/or other planets. The Earth happened to be a surrogate mother for life as we know. All other (maybe not all?) planets did not fit for this kind of life. Intelligent Design? - No way!
Let me have a grand;) SF view: There was a civillisation ignited by a similar source that started life on Earth. They spent more (or less?) on military expenses and found rests of the initializing pre-life on other, dead planets in their own stellar system. They realized that they have no capacity to send seeding ships and know that their Sun will explode in a few million years anyway so the leaders decided to speed this process up to make it big enough to send pre-life particles into space... This embryo to an SF-novel is Creative Common for me to all of you!
Terry Pratchett: Strata. 1st edition 1981. The Company designs and creates inhabitable planetary systems on order. An employee founds out that there was an ancient race that designed the current universe, and for fun they created a mechanical flat planet with spheres.
A bit later Vonda McIntyre: The Starfarer Saga. 1st Edition 1989. An artist creates fossils of mad-up, never existed fantasy creatures and embeds them into the basalt slabs mined on the Moon and transported to the 1st human starship. An alien race with superior technology believes that these are the fossiles of an ancient race that was the 1st starfaring race and want to keep in touch with humans only to excavate those artefacts.
Copernicus realized that by moving the Sun to the centre of spheres instead of the Earth he needed less amount epicycles. Copernicus did not invented the spheres neither the epicycles. They were described by a scholar greek, Ptolemaios referring to secret Egyptian scripts (of course he could just made up them) as a flat Earth surrounded by the spheres and epicycles. Another greek thinker found out that the Earth is a globe and the Sun at incredibly far away about at the same time but it was so surrealistic that it was dropped.
Kepler enchanced the heliocentric view by describing the rules for the ellyptical planetary orbits.
The Bible has been treated (almost) as any other script for about 200 years. Even the Vatican's text analysis concluded that every gospel has parts with unique structures that definitely point to separate authors.
It's a pity that you've got 5 points as interesting:-( Instead of 5 points for a troll that you are.
Citing the Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphaera_Mundi "Tractatus de sphaera, or simply De sphaera) is a medieval astronomy textbook written by Johannes de Sacrobosco c. 1230. Based heavily on Ptolemy's Almagest" Of course this work was important: it was the manual to track the celestial objects for astrological junk. But that work was no way the origin of Copernicus ideas! He did not stole anything from it, in opposite, he was have to think in new ways than the Ptolemy way.
Just as Einstein found a better description in his relativity theori for the Newtownian physics and he had other works he used it do not mean that he made a very unique work.
Stating that Copernicus stole his ideas from a geocentric work is just absurd! He circulated the manuscript of his work in 1514. Five years later Magellan had proved that the Earth is a globe and that fact must have been something to think about! http://www.phy.hr/~dpaar/fizicari/xcopern.html Denying his archievement is falsifying history!
"They aren't saying it didn't happen. They're saying that the modern interpretation of its significance is wrong. The he church provided unprecedented support for scientific study" Well, burnig Giordano Bruno alive on the Flower Market in Rome on February 17 1600 was quite a signal just shut up when the inquisition want to chat with you. Of course, Galileo Galilei just shut up because he preferred to live. In secret he still continued his work under the surveilance of the Inquisition. Next statement will be that no-one was killed or tortured by the Inquisition. The Catholic (and the growing Protestantic movement too) was terrorizing people like the Gestapo or KGB in modern times. So stating that the Church supported science is just a lie, without any substance! Just look at the list of Index librorum prohibitorum latest and last revision. What I see now is a religious movement similar to the Stalinistic period falsifiyng or denying facts that do not fit the dominating powers.
"Galileo was one of a few isolated incidents" C'mon you must be kidding! It's like saying that the Gestapo or KGB did not murdered millions of people because there's so few evidence of it! Magellan has showed that the world is a globe in 1519 by taking a trip around the word so the Church kept a bit lesser agressive attitude. But calling it science-friendly is just falsifying the truth.
"Lissl claims that "Copernicus' De Revolutionibus Orbium had been in print for nearly seventy years before the Church placed any restrictions on its teachings" and notes "how easy it had been for Galileo to obtain the Church's permission" Well Magellan has proved that the Earth is a globe in 1951 so it made a slightly difficult to withhold that the Earth is flat. And I actually red the transcriptions of Galilei's private letters and it was not easy at all to get published even if he made some efforts so avoid the Inquisition's radar. Lissl just denies the actual documents from that era like some others denying the holocaust.
"This point is most interesting here and now because of the whole controversy between evolutionists and creationists. All the evolutionists I know (well, except maybe one) think that a religious person must automatically oppose scientific study," Well, I worked very close to a Catholic geophysician, and we talked a lot privately too. He used the Bible as a human filter of God's words, literally and not word-by-word. He was very clever, and a very nice person. But with this abstraction of the Bible he had no problem to accept any scientific observations, and I'm rather sure that many religious scientists works the same way. Just as creationists (theists) are not the same kind neither are evolutionists (mostly but not all ateists). The problem is that the religious fanatics are growing in numbers and getting louder and stating the Bible has to be red word-by-word which is absurd.
"American funding mechanisms in the scientific establishment are very much like the Catholic church all those years ago. " Well, I'm rather confident that if the Soviet did not sent rockets into space starting back in the 50's, space travells (by man or with robots) would be prohibited just like research on "ethical grounds" like in some biological fields (stem-cell research). http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/07/31/cloning. bush/ YES, I suppose, you will reply that it's on ethical not scientific grounds, but it's just BS: there are a lot of experiments done in blind or double blind tests were people suffer and probably dies for the results.
Actually, I'm European, but I visited the USA several times and talked to yankee scientists and found that there's just as much pressure to avoid "delicate" areas as in the Soviet were about human rights. I have'nt been in the Soviet but met several Soviet researchers too. As a rather famous European immigrant scientist lived in the USA sade to me "say that you're Jewish, or Mu
To start with: http://www.hps.cam.ac.uk/starry/sacrobosco.html http://www.hps.cam.ac.uk/starry/sacrobooks.html "The most famous of his works, De Sphaera, a basic account of the spherical geometry underpinning the mathematical astronomy of Ptolemy and his Arabic commentators, was composed c. 1230" For you: it was a manual for the geocentric view in latin, nothing new, just a repetition of Ptolemios. Stop spreading FUD!
For the second, it is just in the 20th century the "importance" of being the original idea that counts. Earlier it was an honour to develope and enchance ideas. Copernicus almost sure had avatars, folowed by Kepler, Galilei, Newton and many others before, after and in-between. Scientific work is a cooperation - something that starts to be rare suppply:-( As Isaac Newton sade:If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_on_the_shoul ders_of_giants
I suggest you do some simple google on the subject before spewing words.
Strange that no-one stands up against with name against these religious liars! In 9th of July 1595 Johannes Kepler inscribed a geometric solid construction of universe. Within a few months of the publication of Kepler's discovery, grounded on Copernicus work published on his death-bed, Galileo turned his telescope to the heavens, discovering 4 moons of Jupiter and the phases of Venus similar to the Moons. This was the very first optical evidence of the rightess of the heliocentric view. Copernicus, Kepler and Galilei were banned on different levels by the Holy See. 1. Copernicus published his work when ready to die - he know well that publishing earlier would be a death penalty. (Like Bruno Giardano got it, burned alive on the Flower Market in Rome a bit later) 2. Kepler published the physical solution to Copernicus theory. He was excommunicated even if he was a high priest. 3 Galilei was forced by the Inquisition to house arrest.
All these works were on the Catholic Church's "Index of banned books" (Index Librorum Prohibitorum) - valid in revised editions until 1966.
Stating it did not happened is just a simple lie. Even Vatican addmitted indirectly their fault sometimes between 1994-7 by lifting the Latæ Sententiæ (excommunication) of Kepler.
So it was Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) who accepted Copernian view - and by echancing and using a brand new (not patented) optical device (a telescope) he saw that another object in the sky (Jupiter) has moons. And not the other way around It is a pity that no-one checks the facts, just accepting your falsfified utterly garbage!
You're optimist: The Church had lost a fight about the planetary system: the Sun do NOT cirle around the Earth, still it took 30 years after both Soviet and American astronauts rounded the Earth on orbit that the Pope lifted the excommunication ban on Kopernicus (in 1996 as I recall). The Christian Church alone has about 0.6-1 milliard/billion followers today.
I'm abolutely positive that in case an interstellar civilization arrives triggered by automatic station send for search of intelligent life for let's say one milliard years ago and they show recordings of the development of the life on Earth the Church(es) will state that it's fake or that the alien civilisation was created by ID.
Here is the scenario: You mail me an envelope containing £30 for the tsunami relief but you suddenly suspect that I'm a scam artist so you visit my house and look into the mailbox and peeping through the windows to find some evidence that support this suspicion. I'm Inside my house and I'm filming as you're opening the mailbox and watching my house and because usually people will ring on the bell or just walk away I', getting suspicious filmig you and calling the police. You tell a story to the police and another to the judge.
I state that you wanted to steal the envelopes sent to me helping the tsunami causalities. that you didn't made it because thr mailbox was empty.
The judge hesitates and decides that by lying to the police you spent money and time on a shady activities. There's nothing on your side except your word and we know you was lying to the police. I'm on the other hand my film do not show a crime. If I had an envelope signed "Here are 1000 bucks for the tsunami effort" and you took it you would be sitting in jail for a while.
Again: you took now money, but _I_ suspected you wanted to do it and that's my reason to call the police.
You could called the police and tell them you suspected me a scammer because I did not sent you a postcard with "Thank you" on it, but you did not, instead you visited my mailbox and was peeping into my house than you lied to the police on arrival.
Should the police just "snap on your wrist" so you stopped doing so next time? - No police may use force to stop criminals but not to judge!
If you state that you're a private investigator thn you should know to never ever do such examination without legal protection. Of courese there are shady investigation bureas like that one who checked the trash bins at Microsoft sent by Oracle to find evidence against MS but it was illegal and Oracle tryed to hide their own ass:-> And this was an unprofessional behaviour of an investigator.
So I won't cry if you loose the security job: you was not worth it.
------------------- The other story would be if you found some evidence in my mailbox that I'm a scammer and you went to the newspapers and got a lot of money for this sensational news. And if I was a real rhino-scammer I payed some high-profile lawyer to counter-sue you for libel, trespassing etc.
But the scenario was the first one so the Tsunami site stayed clear and the over-zelaous IT-detective lost his dubious bussiness.
Sounds fine for me - Im a unix system administrator and I prefere white hats to gray hats.
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What I wrote was a bit of reply to several opinions, even if it happend to be a reply to you;-)
*BSD is a bit too proud of quality and those guys are hard to realize that even Rolls-Royce was bought up by a mass-producer, lesser-known car-maker (I forgot which one)
Quality is not equal to usability and popularity.
MS and Apple are keen to give a more or less usability so they are selling well, the price is that sysadmins and advanced users has less playground. It's like with modern cars vs. old ones: you can not do much on a modern car without expensive facilities in a manufacturer approved way. The time when every layman could trim his/her car has gone. Linux and BSD with some others tries to make it both way. Most Linux distros today emphasise usability (giving up quality and introducing unneccesary complex items in the name of usability - in reality locking-in users.) *BSD keeps the quality aspect in a kind of hybris don't care about newbees enough to make installation procedure easy. FreeSBee and PCBSD are signs that some BSD-folk has realised that the old-style elitism is not so good in the long run.
Msny of these new initiatives are derivates of the successfull Knoppix project, that started a plethora of new distros.
Dropping out of school means nothing. I did it in 1982 when I got a job offer:-) If you had a more unpleasant reason for dropping out that it has nothing to do with your capabilities. I hope you manage to find job in you hobby.
Solaris is best on SUN hardware. Try to buy/borrow an Ultra 10 or Blade 150. They are relatively unexpensive. SUN is as any large companies divided into dfferent fractions. The last 2-3 years were dominated by the Solaris team and the Linux advocates lost. Remeber it was SUN who payed the first blood money to SCO, the Evil Empire just catched on the plendid idea and nowadawy SUN is in alliance with M$. That SUN is going down is almost determined by fate similar to the downfall of DEC when an old leadership could not see clear enymore and insead of retirement insisting in steering in zigg-zagg. So even if Solaris 10 is a good piece of software and SUN hardware is still good (but not excellent as i was in the previous centuary) the demise of another engineer company is on the way:-(
Another way to test Solaris on x86 is using VMware. you can download a VMware evaluation license for a month. If sound still gone Solaris is not a multimedia OS anyway:)
For Irix an old O2 is excellent and an O2 today costs no more that a beer I suppose.
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Exactly:-) It is rather strange that the/. crowd dislikes *BSD and preferes Mac OS X. Probably because Steve Jobs was a long time ago in a far away galaxy a hacker. Imho he is similar to Mr. Gates except Mr. Gates was never a hacker but a salesman of Capone's qualities.
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Well, the X-windowing system was implemented on unix in the mid 80's at MIT. Than came Stevie and Billy boy and "innovated" it on their boxes harvesting the fame. (They did it actually legally because Xerox Lab in Palo Alto had old fashioned non-profit, "infornmation want to be free" attitude - that's the reason why they never ever got rich, not even as famous as they should be) Linux of course borrowed from the unix source and of course the Linux fanatix/. mob do not even check who were the ancestors.
Isaac Newton said that he could see far ahead while standing on the shoulders of giants. It seems to be so that more and more Linux fans do not look back anymore, so hear the message of the day: UNIXES DO HAVE X WINDOWING SYSTEM!
Solaris and Irix are besides using X too are a lot more stable than Linux is. I'm administering unix systems runnig for years - not days or at best months as Linuxes. Installing Solaris and Irix is not more complicated than Linux.
Indeed, the trouble with *BSD is that they are pain to install and they are proud of it.
Imho Linux, especially RH, became more and more similar to the evil empire fighting it: All these fancy, worthless features, unneccessary complicated solutions (e.g. crontab, init) aimed to lock-in users to a specific distro making it more or less incompatible with all the others. (Started by Mandrake using their "own" libraries breaking programs and mastered by RH bullying other distros and alienating users) Luckily Linux is GPL OSS so Ubuntu, Gentoo may continue in the right direction:) So there's a clear advantage of diversity. I hope there will be no AUTHORYTY to decide which Linux is kosher or not. In that case I will go with an apocryph distro >:->
Indeed, this shows for us that the "street dates" are just another advertisement trick to make ppl buy more - if some shops started selling earlier than others there's a risk that ppl will lend the book to others thus less examples will be sold and even more important if early readers found out it was not worth reading they would tell it to friends an that would be disasterous for sales. There was an article on./ about an overhyped movie where ppl sent SMS to friends that the movie was awful so the visitors dropped out. - The solution was to scramble mobile phones "not to disturb the performance". To start selling a book for children att midnight show that this is just a plain advertising show to increase the fluff about this probably overhyped release. Stallman's article could be a starting point for a nice Creative Common movie imho. A more realistic Fahrenheit 451.
Even if I has difficulties why post this informative comment anonymously I do thank you for clearing up the mp3 YABA (Yet Another Bloody Acronym. Probably you can recommend a Linux or in worst case Windows utility to convert CDs to MP3-VBR files with some kind of CDDB support for automatic file naming. I'm planning to convert a few hundreds of my CDs, so the more automagical process the better. I have even ca. 2 m vinyl records too hard to find on CD. Of course other comments are very wellcome too:-)
Thank you for the link:-) The site want to get payed in advance for something I don't know if it's legal and working or not. I bookmarked the URL but hesitating to pay... The time factor worked well in the Ancient Art of War. Except it was too fast on a i386.
It was the US that asked Soviet to break the peace-treaty with Japan and attack from the North. Actually Soviet occupied a few island in the Nothern part of Japan e.g. Kunashir - it is a fantastic island with subtropic Southern beaches and skiing platoes on the North (I saw a documentary on this island a long time ago) So even if Soviet and USA competed on occupying Japan (just like in occupying Germany) it was US that asked for a Soviet intervention in exchange selling the East-European countries to Soviet.
The use of A-bomb was not needed strategically, but it was a politician's "toy". The military wanted to "spare" A-bomb to a future conflict, but the politicians wanted a swift victory. (If you have a hammer everything seems to be nails) Sun Tzu wrote something like this: Always left a backdoor to your enemy - even if it is a trap - so it wont' be too desparate to make an unexpected manuever. Using the A-bomb became a signal to the already paranoid Stalin to prepare for the next war - that led to the Cold War where in indirect conflicts the two superpowers tried to take over the rest of the word using any methods on both sides:-(
Japan was left alone, without allies, no resources left. The capitulation was just a question of time - accelerated with continued attack on Japan.
Just a footnote on bombing Dresden, Tokyo and other cities: Even in modern times with smart bombs (they were less than 10% even in the Gulf War) only about 5 % of the bomb eliminates the target. It was even less in WWII. E.g. when Peenemunde was bombed in the 1 large coordinated attack of 600 bombplanes none of the bombes his the V2 factories. the only hit was on the baracks of prisoners and Nazis. One of the chief-engineers was killed. The whole factory that was still intact was dismounted and moved to an other site in Southern Germany. And Peenemunde was not heavily defended like Hamburg or Dresden. And there was a new system used when one plane circled around the target are releasing small fire bombs to mark the target area. The only option was and still is carpet-bombing. Talking about cruel bombing is in a way non-sense: the whole concept of war is cruel on any sides.
To my knowledge the very 1st (semi)graphic strategy game was "The Ancient Art of War" on a 5,5" floppy. It had a simple but brilliant structure: archers shot down knights easily, knights killed barbarians brutally, and barbarians strangled archers fast. Villages gave food, fortresses gave new soldiers after some time. Moving meant that your troups got more tired the faster they marched - still missing in strategy games! And they needed troups left in villages to keep the support lines. A few more simple rules that made it a kind of chess. I wish there was a similar bit more modern multiplayer strategy game for human and AI players... any tips?
It took 9 hours to win the last and hardest campaign the very first time:-) There was no "save" option so it was about to win or win:) Letr on I found several useful bugs e.g joining a large but tired troup into a small but fit troup gave one large, fit and healthy group. Detaching into a small reservist troup staying in the village and a large group to attack the enemy than retreating back in a hurry to join the reservists made a way to win in very hard home-made maps:-) Another trick was attacking a castle with several smaller units of archers that made the enemy busy thus letting in a large barbarian and knight group into the fortress this way shorted the enemy after I retreated with the small archer troups:-) Etc.
The floppy was copy-protected so I was have to find a fitting drive to my new 386 with SIPP memory a few year later. I was have to find a utility to slow down the box because the game became so fast it was impossible to give my commands in time:-) There was an other game from Brotherbound, "The Ancient Art of War at Sea" but I couldn't buy it anywhere:-( I'm afraid I don't even have the floppy of AAoW either:-/
There were some really innovative games in the early years of computer gaming when the game's ideas made it worth to buy and play. Too many modern games are hiding the stupid rules and primitive structure behind fancy graphics and adrenalin kicks. Of course most of the old games were junk too, but some games were diamonds...
Wrong: actually the military wanted to "starve out" the Japanese army: without fuel (Japan has no any own resources of fuels) the Japanese army would give up in a few months after the Nazi defeat. The Japanese economy would collapsed fast because they had zero fuel reserv and the US know it well due to eminent cryptologs. The US military leaders wanted to keep the A-bomb in their "sleeves" to use in a conflict with the Soviet. But the president wanted a "high score" and he ordered using both bombs to end the war swiftly.
Of course the military strategist had had right: when the Soviet learned that the bomb is working they set resources for spying on it.
There's an very interesting episode (as I recall) told by Leo Szilard many years later: There was a shadow group of mathematicians and physics that got the result of the Manhattan Project's work and they were rewriting it as if it was done in a different way getting the same result. Officially this was done for checking the group of immigrants who actually made the work supervised by americans. But in reality their calculations were presented to the hesitating Leo and others as the result of the Nazi researchers - as if the Nazis were close behing them - this way accelerate their efforts to create a working A-bomb faster. This shadow-group had a code name I can't recall and I had no luck in searching for this affair - any links to it are most wellcome.
That is the source of the legends that the Nazis were close to make an A-bomb. In reality they were not on the map at all as the tape recordings of the captured Nazi scientists and other fact linked in this posting already showed well.
Indeed, the Comission thinks they're above all EU-citizens. They are the new aristocrats. "Special Interest Groups" are the servants of the rich and (already) powerful "industry leaders". Lobbiyng should be prohibited - that is their way to circumvent democraty. This extension of so called "Intellectual Properties" is the very same way how the system of guids kept the mankind from faster advancement in the Middle Ages. Instead of priests (they are much less powerfull now in Europe than in the USA) they use lawyers now to intimidate the subjugates.
I suspect it is already too late to stop the New Dark Ages.
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I suggest buying an SDTL2 tape system: the mechanism of tapes and tape-units are very realiable and the tape is highly resistant to EMP, better than any other tape media.
DAT and 8mm and it's derivates are mechanically less stable, they are a bit slower too and takes less EMP.
Actually, I couldn't find the original news about this: It was back in the 70's or early 80's. The text of the Old and New Testament was digitised (Latin, Greek and some other sources) to find a translation that is most correct.t ican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19651118_dei-v erbum_en.html
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The text analysis was ordered and supervised by the Holy See.
The conclusion was that different wordings and differences in translation exist but still all of them are God words and those differences were human errors.
The only citation of Vatican I found is this link, especially Chater III, 11. and Ch V. 18-19.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_va
Of course the wording is just as an Oracle
If you have money enough then Netbackup is a very nice solution: version handling, user-restore, fine-grain authentication of systems and users. User friendly interface, Scales excellent. There are modules for databases and different OS-es.
Not cheap at all. When the database dies, it's very difficult to revive it. I suggest having a stand-in copy just in case.
I tested about 10 more or less freeware programs like Amanda, afbackup, Arkeia etc. - and idn't liked any of them.
Basically I use 2 scripts on systems not on Netbackup:
1) 2-week cycle: Total bup on friday, incremental on weekdays, none on Sat-, Sundays. Local tape streamer or scp to another machine with large disk capacity and tape it from that one.
No user interaction, only sysadmin access. Two tapes or tape sets for week one and for week 2 or disk directory A and B.
90% of restore is within 2 weeks. Perfect for smaller, developer systems.
I use ufsdump, dump and/or gnu tar depending on OS and tasks. Written i shell script
2) Monthly cycle: Total bup once a month, incremental backup is a backup of all of the data that has changed since the last total backup weekly and daily incrementals from the nearest backup.
I use GNU tar with labeling, plain text listing files for search for versions via grep. Several shell scripts in crontab and an demand. Wheel users and sysadmin access only.
Data is stored for several months. Typical use smaller servers.
My most important advice: nobody get fired having a working backup!
So time after time evaluate you backups!
You must be sure that you can do Bare Metall Recovery at any time!
Live CDs are nice to have at hand!
Again: nobody will be fired having a working backup! If your boss thinks that you spent too much time on restore-practice tell him that in case you have not enough security to do a BMR will he write it down that this is on his account...
Sorry fellows,
ID in current form was defined a bit earlier, see relevant Wikipedia article I pointed out somewhere in this thread.
Anyway, Pratchett was more fun than these pseudo-scientific ID-believers.
I wish the "Strata" was learned in school of Kansas under religion classes to keep it fair and balanced! >:->
Citing Wikipedia:
;) SF view: There was a civillisation ignited by a similar source that started life on Earth. They spent more (or less?) on military expenses and found rests of the initializing pre-life on other, dead planets in their own stellar system. They realized that they have no capacity to send seeding ships and know that their Sun will explode in a few million years anyway so the leaders decided to speed this process up to make it big enough to send pre-life particles into space...
"The phrase was coined in its present sense in Humanism, a 1903 book by Ferdinand Canning Scott Schiller: "It will not be possible to rule out the supposition that the process of evolution may be guided by an intelligent design" and was resurrected in the early 1980s by Sir Fred Hoyle as part of his promotion panspermia"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design
So SF writers Terry Pratchet (Strata 1981) and Vonda M. McIntyre (Starfarers 1989) were a bit late, but more fun.
Imho in a way Fred Hoyle's idea may be possible but with a different twist: pre-life (RNA, virus?) can survive very harsh enviroments.
Let's imagine that a supernova has sent parts of an inhabited planet toward the Solar system just as into all other directions and one or more particles of pre-life landed on Earh and/or other planets. The Earth happened to be a surrogate mother for life as we know. All other (maybe not all?) planets did not fit for this kind of life.
Intelligent Design? - No way!
Let me have a grand
This embryo to an SF-novel is Creative Common for me to all of you!
Terry Pratchett: Strata. 1st edition 1981.
The Company designs and creates inhabitable planetary systems on order. An employee founds out that there was an ancient race that designed the current universe, and for fun they created a mechanical flat planet with spheres.
A bit later Vonda McIntyre: The Starfarer Saga. 1st Edition 1989.
An artist creates fossils of mad-up, never existed fantasy creatures and embeds them into the basalt slabs mined on the Moon and transported to the 1st human starship. An alien race with superior technology believes that these are the fossiles of an ancient race that was the 1st starfaring race and want to keep in touch with humans only to excavate those artefacts.
Copernicus realized that by moving the Sun to the centre of spheres instead of the Earth he needed less amount epicycles.
:-(
Copernicus did not invented the spheres neither the epicycles. They were described by a scholar greek, Ptolemaios referring to secret Egyptian scripts (of course he could just made up them) as a flat Earth surrounded by the spheres and epicycles. Another greek thinker found out that the Earth is a globe and the Sun at incredibly far away about at the same time but it was so surrealistic that it was dropped.
Kepler enchanced the heliocentric view by describing the rules for the ellyptical planetary orbits.
The Bible has been treated (almost) as any other script for about 200 years. Even the Vatican's text analysis concluded that every gospel has parts with unique structures that definitely point to separate authors.
It's a pity that you've got 5 points as interesting
Instead of 5 points for a troll that you are.
Citing the Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphaera_Mundi
"Tractatus de sphaera, or simply De sphaera) is a medieval astronomy textbook written by Johannes de Sacrobosco c. 1230. Based heavily on Ptolemy's Almagest"
Of course this work was important: it was the manual to track the celestial objects for astrological junk. But that work was no way the origin of Copernicus ideas! He did not stole anything from it, in opposite, he was have to think in new ways than the Ptolemy way.
Just as Einstein found a better description in his relativity theori for the Newtownian physics and he had other works he used it do not mean that he made a very unique work.
Stating that Copernicus stole his ideas from a geocentric work is just absurd! He circulated the manuscript of his work in 1514. Five years later Magellan had proved that the Earth is a globe and that fact must have been something to think about! http://www.phy.hr/~dpaar/fizicari/xcopern.html
Denying his archievement is falsifying history!
"They aren't saying it didn't happen. They're saying that the modern interpretation of its significance is wrong. The he church provided unprecedented support for scientific study"
Well, burnig Giordano Bruno alive on the Flower Market in Rome on February 17 1600 was quite a signal just shut up when the inquisition want to chat with you. Of course, Galileo Galilei just shut up because he preferred to live. In secret he still continued his work under the surveilance of the Inquisition. Next statement will be that no-one was killed or tortured by the Inquisition. The Catholic (and the growing Protestantic movement too) was terrorizing people like the Gestapo or KGB in modern times.
So stating that the Church supported science is just a lie, without any substance! Just look at the list of Index librorum prohibitorum latest and last revision.
What I see now is a religious movement similar to the Stalinistic period falsifiyng or denying facts that do not fit the dominating powers.
"Galileo was one of a few isolated incidents"
C'mon you must be kidding! It's like saying that the Gestapo or KGB did not murdered millions of people because there's so few evidence of it!
Magellan has showed that the world is a globe in 1519 by taking a trip around the word so the Church kept a bit lesser agressive attitude. But calling it science-friendly is just falsifying the truth.
"Lissl claims that "Copernicus' De Revolutionibus Orbium had been in print for nearly seventy years before the Church placed any restrictions on its teachings" and notes "how easy it had been for Galileo to obtain the Church's permission"
Well Magellan has proved that the Earth is a globe in 1951 so it made a slightly difficult to withhold that the Earth is flat.
And I actually red the transcriptions of Galilei's private letters and it was not easy at all to get published even if he made some efforts so avoid the Inquisition's radar. Lissl just denies the actual documents from that era like some others denying the holocaust.
"This point is most interesting here and now because of the whole controversy between evolutionists and creationists. All the evolutionists I know (well, except maybe one) think that a religious person must automatically oppose scientific study,"
Well, I worked very close to a Catholic geophysician, and we talked a lot privately too. He used the Bible as a human filter of God's words, literally and not word-by-word. He was very clever, and a very nice person. But with this abstraction of the Bible he had no problem to accept any scientific observations, and I'm rather sure that many religious scientists works the same way.
Just as creationists (theists) are not the same kind neither are evolutionists (mostly but not all ateists). The problem is that the religious fanatics are growing in numbers and getting louder and stating the Bible has to be red word-by-word which is absurd.
"American funding mechanisms in the scientific establishment are very much like the Catholic church all those years ago. "
Well, I'm rather confident that if the Soviet did not sent rockets into space starting back in the 50's, space travells (by man or with robots) would be prohibited just like research on "ethical grounds" like in some biological fields (stem-cell research). http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/07/31/cloning. bush/
YES, I suppose, you will reply that it's on ethical not scientific grounds, but it's just BS: there are a lot of experiments done in blind or double blind tests were people suffer and probably dies for the results.
Actually, I'm European, but I visited the USA several times and talked to yankee scientists and found that there's just as much pressure to avoid "delicate" areas as in the Soviet were about human rights. I have'nt been in the Soviet but met several Soviet researchers too.
As a rather famous European immigrant scientist lived in the USA sade to me "say that you're Jewish, or Mu
To start with:
:-( As Isaac Newton sade:If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants."l ders_of_giants
http://www.hps.cam.ac.uk/starry/sacrobosco.html
http://www.hps.cam.ac.uk/starry/sacrobooks.html
"The most famous of his works, De Sphaera, a basic account of the spherical geometry underpinning the mathematical astronomy of Ptolemy and his Arabic commentators, was composed c. 1230"
For you: it was a manual for the geocentric view in latin, nothing new, just a repetition of Ptolemios.
Stop spreading FUD!
For the second, it is just in the 20th century the "importance" of being the original idea that counts. Earlier it was an honour to develope and enchance ideas.
Copernicus almost sure had avatars, folowed by Kepler, Galilei, Newton and many others before, after and in-between. Scientific work is a cooperation - something that starts to be rare suppply
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_on_the_shou
I suggest you do some simple google on the subject before spewing words.
Strange that no-one stands up against with name against these religious liars!
S cience/Phys/astronomers.htm
In 9th of July 1595 Johannes Kepler inscribed a geometric solid construction of universe.
Within a few months of the publication of Kepler's discovery, grounded on Copernicus work published on his death-bed, Galileo turned his telescope to the heavens, discovering 4 moons of Jupiter and the phases of Venus similar to the Moons. This was the very first optical evidence of the rightess of the heliocentric view.
Copernicus, Kepler and Galilei were banned on different levels by the Holy See.
1. Copernicus published his work when ready to die - he know well that publishing earlier would be a death penalty. (Like Bruno Giardano got it, burned alive on the Flower Market in Rome a bit later)
2. Kepler published the physical solution to Copernicus theory. He was excommunicated even if he was a high priest.
3 Galilei was forced by the Inquisition to house arrest.
All these works were on the Catholic Church's "Index of banned books" (Index Librorum Prohibitorum) - valid in revised editions until 1966.
Stating it did not happened is just a simple lie.
Even Vatican addmitted indirectly their fault sometimes between 1994-7 by lifting the Latæ Sententiæ (excommunication) of Kepler.
A short resume of Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo et.al:
http://www.dartfordgrammar.kent.sch.uk/Faculties/
"Fucking hell, would you PLEASE log in and collect your karma... this is one seriously good comment."
Well, what a pity that it's just not true - but facts usually don't bite on fanatics. >:->
If you cannot find my reply to parent: Kopernicus has died BEFORE Galilei was born!
What you wrote is utterly BS:
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"Copernicus finished his work De Orbium colestium Revolutionibus in 1530, and dedicated it to the pope; but it was not published till 1543, by Osiander of Nürnberg, to whom he had given the manuscript, and who announced the discovery in the preface as a mere hypothesis. He received a copy on his death-bed at Frauenburg on the borders of Prussia and Poland.
Source: http://www.calvarydeltona.org/modules/phpbible/te
So it was Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) who accepted Copernian view - and by echancing and using a brand new (not patented) optical device (a telescope) he saw that another object in the sky (Jupiter) has moons.
And not the other way around
It is a pity that no-one checks the facts, just accepting your falsfified utterly garbage!
Plz, moderate down this liar!
You're optimist: The Church had lost a fight about the planetary system: the Sun do NOT cirle around the Earth, still it took 30 years after both Soviet and American astronauts rounded the Earth on orbit that the Pope lifted the excommunication ban on Kopernicus (in 1996 as I recall).
:-(
The Christian Church alone has about 0.6-1 milliard/billion followers today.
I'm abolutely positive that in case an interstellar civilization arrives triggered by automatic station send for search of intelligent life for let's say one milliard years ago and they show recordings of the development of the life on Earth the Church(es) will state that it's fake or that the alien civilisation was created by ID.
Lunatics/fanatics will stay lunatics/fanatics
Here is the scenario:
:-> And this was an unprofessional behaviour of an investigator.
You mail me an envelope containing £30 for the tsunami relief but you suddenly suspect that I'm a scam artist so you visit my house and look into the mailbox and peeping through the windows to find some evidence that support this suspicion.
I'm Inside my house and I'm filming as you're opening the mailbox and watching my house and because usually people will ring on the bell or just walk away I', getting suspicious filmig you and calling the police.
You tell a story to the police and another to the judge.
I state that you wanted to steal the envelopes sent to me helping the tsunami causalities. that you didn't made it because thr mailbox was empty.
The judge hesitates and decides that by lying to the police you spent money and time on a shady activities.
There's nothing on your side except your word and we know you was lying to the police.
I'm on the other hand my film do not show a crime. If I had an envelope signed "Here are 1000 bucks for the tsunami effort" and you took it you would be sitting in jail for a while.
Again: you took now money, but _I_ suspected you wanted to do it and that's my reason to call the police.
You could called the police and tell them you suspected me a scammer because I did not sent you a postcard with "Thank you" on it, but you did not, instead you visited my mailbox and was peeping into my house than you lied to the police on arrival.
Should the police just "snap on your wrist" so you stopped doing so next time? - No police may use force to stop criminals but not to judge!
If you state that you're a private investigator thn you should know to never ever do such examination without legal protection.
Of courese there are shady investigation bureas like that one who checked the trash bins at Microsoft sent by Oracle to find evidence against MS but it was illegal and Oracle tryed to hide their own ass
So I won't cry if you loose the security job: you was not worth it.
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The other story would be if you found some evidence in my mailbox that I'm a scammer and you went to the newspapers and got a lot of money for this sensational news. And if I was a real rhino-scammer I payed some high-profile lawyer to counter-sue you for libel, trespassing etc.
But the scenario was the first one so the Tsunami site stayed clear and the over-zelaous IT-detective lost his dubious bussiness.
Sounds fine for me - Im a unix system administrator and I prefere white hats to gray hats.
What I wrote was a bit of reply to several opinions, even if it happend to be a reply to you ;-)
:-)
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*BSD is a bit too proud of quality and those guys are hard to realize that even Rolls-Royce was bought up by a mass-producer, lesser-known car-maker (I forgot which one)
Quality is not equal to usability and popularity.
MS and Apple are keen to give a more or less usability so they are selling well, the price is that sysadmins and advanced users has less playground. It's like with modern cars vs. old ones: you can not do much on a modern car without expensive facilities in a manufacturer approved way. The time when every layman could trim his/her car has gone.
Linux and BSD with some others tries to make it both way. Most Linux distros today emphasise usability (giving up quality and introducing unneccesary complex items in the name of usability - in reality locking-in users.) *BSD keeps the quality aspect in a kind of hybris don't care about newbees enough to make installation procedure easy. FreeSBee and PCBSD are signs that some BSD-folk has realised that the old-style elitism is not so good in the long run.
Msny of these new initiatives are derivates of the successfull Knoppix project, that started a plethora of new distros.
Dropping out of school means nothing. I did it in 1982 when I got a job offer
If you had a more unpleasant reason for dropping out that it has nothing to do with your capabilities. I hope you manage to find job in you hobby.
Solaris is best on SUN hardware. Try to buy/borrow an Ultra 10 or Blade 150. They are relatively unexpensive.
SUN is as any large companies divided into dfferent fractions. The last 2-3 years were dominated by the Solaris team and the Linux advocates lost. Remeber it was SUN who payed the first blood money to SCO, the Evil Empire just catched on the plendid idea and nowadawy SUN is in alliance with M$.
That SUN is going down is almost determined by fate similar to the downfall of DEC when an old leadership could not see clear enymore and insead of retirement insisting in steering in zigg-zagg.
So even if Solaris 10 is a good piece of software and SUN hardware is still good (but not excellent as i was in the previous centuary) the demise of another engineer company is on the way
Another way to test Solaris on x86 is using VMware. you can download a VMware evaluation license for a month. If sound still gone Solaris is not a multimedia OS anyway
For Irix an old O2 is excellent and an O2 today costs no more that a beer I suppose.
Exactly :-) /. crowd dislikes *BSD and preferes Mac OS X. Probably because Steve Jobs was a long time ago in a far away galaxy a hacker.
It is rather strange that the
Imho he is similar to Mr. Gates except Mr. Gates was never a hacker but a salesman of Capone's qualities.
Well, the X-windowing system was implemented on unix in the mid 80's at MIT. Than came Stevie and Billy boy and "innovated" it on their boxes harvesting the fame. (They did it actually legally because Xerox Lab in Palo Alto had old fashioned non-profit, "infornmation want to be free" attitude - that's the reason why they never ever got rich, not even as famous as they should be) /. mob do not even check who were the ancestors.
:) So there's a clear advantage of diversity. I hope there will be no AUTHORYTY to decide which Linux is kosher or not. In that case I will go with an apocryph distro >:->
Linux of course borrowed from the unix source and of course the Linux fanatix
Isaac Newton said that he could see far ahead while standing on the shoulders of giants.
It seems to be so that more and more Linux fans do not look back anymore, so hear the message of the day: UNIXES DO HAVE X WINDOWING SYSTEM!
Solaris and Irix are besides using X too are a lot more stable than Linux is. I'm administering unix systems runnig for years - not days or at best months as Linuxes. Installing Solaris and Irix is not more complicated than Linux.
Indeed, the trouble with *BSD is that they are pain to install and they are proud of it.
Imho Linux, especially RH, became more and more similar to the evil empire fighting it: All these fancy, worthless features, unneccessary complicated solutions (e.g. crontab, init) aimed to lock-in users to a specific distro making it more or less incompatible with all the others. (Started by Mandrake using their "own" libraries breaking programs and mastered by RH bullying other distros and alienating users)
Luckily Linux is GPL OSS so Ubuntu, Gentoo may continue in the right direction
Indeed, this shows for us that the "street dates" are just another advertisement trick to make ppl buy more - if some shops started selling earlier than others there's a risk that ppl will lend the book to others thus less examples will be sold and even more important if early readers found out it was not worth reading they would tell it to friends an that would be disasterous for sales. ./ about an overhyped movie where ppl sent SMS to friends that the movie was awful so the visitors dropped out. - The solution was to scramble mobile phones "not to disturb the performance".
There was an article on
To start selling a book for children att midnight show that this is just a plain advertising show to increase the fluff about this probably overhyped release.
Stallman's article could be a starting point for a nice Creative Common movie imho. A more realistic Fahrenheit 451.
Even if I has difficulties why post this informative comment anonymously I do thank you for clearing up the mp3 YABA (Yet Another Bloody Acronym. :-)
Probably you can recommend a Linux or in worst case Windows utility to convert CDs to MP3-VBR files with some kind of CDDB support for automatic file naming. I'm planning to convert a few hundreds of my CDs, so the more automagical process the better.
I have even ca. 2 m vinyl records too hard to find on CD.
Of course other comments are very wellcome too
Thank you for the link :-) The site want to get payed in advance for something I don't know if it's legal and working or not. I bookmarked the URL but hesitating to pay...
The time factor worked well in the Ancient Art of War. Except it was too fast on a i386.
It was the US that asked Soviet to break the peace-treaty with Japan and attack from the North. Actually Soviet occupied a few island in the Nothern part of Japan e.g. Kunashir - it is a fantastic island with subtropic Southern beaches and skiing platoes on the North (I saw a documentary on this island a long time ago)
:-(
So even if Soviet and USA competed on occupying Japan (just like in occupying Germany) it was US that asked for a Soviet intervention in exchange selling the East-European countries to Soviet.
The use of A-bomb was not needed strategically, but it was a politician's "toy". The military wanted to "spare" A-bomb to a future conflict, but the politicians wanted a swift victory.
(If you have a hammer everything seems to be nails)
Sun Tzu wrote something like this: Always left a backdoor to your enemy - even if it is a trap - so it wont' be too desparate to make an unexpected manuever.
Using the A-bomb became a signal to the already paranoid Stalin to prepare for the next war - that led to the Cold War where in indirect conflicts the two superpowers tried to take over the rest of the word using any methods on both sides
Japan was left alone, without allies, no resources left. The capitulation was just a question of time - accelerated with continued attack on Japan.
Just a footnote on bombing Dresden, Tokyo and other cities: Even in modern times with smart bombs (they were less than 10% even in the Gulf War) only about 5 % of the bomb eliminates the target. It was even less in WWII.
E.g. when Peenemunde was bombed in the 1 large coordinated attack of 600 bombplanes none of the bombes his the V2 factories. the only hit was on the baracks of prisoners and Nazis. One of the chief-engineers was killed. The whole factory that was still intact was dismounted and moved to an other site in Southern Germany. And Peenemunde was not heavily defended like Hamburg or Dresden. And there was a new system used when one plane circled around the target are releasing small fire bombs to mark the target area.
The only option was and still is carpet-bombing.
Talking about cruel bombing is in a way non-sense: the whole concept of war is cruel on any sides.
To my knowledge the very 1st (semi)graphic strategy game was "The Ancient Art of War" on a 5,5" floppy.
:) Letr on I found several useful bugs e.g joining a large but tired troup into a small but fit troup gave one large, fit and healthy group. Detaching into a small reservist troup staying in the village and a large group to attack the enemy than retreating back in a hurry to join the reservists made a way to win in very hard home-made maps :-) :-) Etc.
:-) :-( :-/
It had a simple but brilliant structure: archers shot down knights easily, knights killed barbarians brutally, and barbarians strangled archers fast. Villages gave food, fortresses gave new soldiers after some time. Moving meant that your troups got more tired the faster they marched - still missing in strategy games! And they needed troups left in villages to keep the support lines.
A few more simple rules that made it a kind of chess.
I wish there was a similar bit more modern multiplayer strategy game for human and AI players... any tips?
It took 9 hours to win the last and hardest campaign the very first time:-) There was no "save" option so it was about to win or win
Another trick was attacking a castle with several smaller units of archers that made the enemy busy thus letting in a large barbarian and knight group into the fortress this way shorted the enemy after I retreated with the small archer troups
The floppy was copy-protected so I was have to find a fitting drive to my new 386 with SIPP memory a few year later. I was have to find a utility to slow down the box because the game became so fast it was impossible to give my commands in time
There was an other game from Brotherbound, "The Ancient Art of War at Sea" but I couldn't buy it anywhere
I'm afraid I don't even have the floppy of AAoW either
There were some really innovative games in the early years of computer gaming when the game's ideas made it worth to buy and play.
Too many modern games are hiding the stupid rules and primitive structure behind fancy graphics and adrenalin kicks.
Of course most of the old games were junk too, but some games were diamonds...
Wrong: actually the military wanted to "starve out" the Japanese army: without fuel (Japan has no any own resources of fuels) the Japanese army would give up in a few months after the Nazi defeat. The Japanese economy would collapsed fast because they had zero fuel reserv and the US know it well due to eminent cryptologs.
The US military leaders wanted to keep the A-bomb in their "sleeves" to use in a conflict with the Soviet.
But the president wanted a "high score" and he ordered using both bombs to end the war swiftly.
Of course the military strategist had had right: when the Soviet learned that the bomb is working they set resources for spying on it.
There's an very interesting episode (as I recall) told by Leo Szilard many years later: There was a shadow group of mathematicians and physics that got the result of the Manhattan Project's work and they were rewriting it as if it was done in a different way getting the same result. Officially this was done for checking the group of immigrants who actually made the work supervised by americans. But in reality their calculations were presented to the hesitating Leo and others as the result of the Nazi researchers - as if the Nazis were close behing them - this way accelerate their efforts to create a working A-bomb faster.
This shadow-group had a code name I can't recall and I had no luck in searching for this affair - any links to it are most wellcome.
That is the source of the legends that the Nazis were close to make an A-bomb. In reality they were not on the map at all as the tape recordings of the captured Nazi scientists and other fact linked in this posting already showed well.
Indeed, the Comission thinks they're above all EU-citizens.
They are the new aristocrats.
"Special Interest Groups" are the servants of the rich and (already) powerful "industry leaders".
Lobbiyng should be prohibited - that is their way to circumvent democraty.
This extension of so called "Intellectual Properties" is the very same way how the system of guids kept the mankind from faster advancement in the Middle Ages.
Instead of priests (they are much less powerfull now in Europe than in the USA) they use lawyers now to intimidate the subjugates.
I suspect it is already too late to stop the New Dark Ages.