This is kind of similar to the Office file formats. MS paid millions or tens of millions of dollars to design, develop those but was still forced to open them up to competitors by the EU courts because of public interest. An analog in the real word is eminent domain in the US etc. And Google can still charge competitors the cost incurred to transfer the data i.e bandwidth, labor etc.
Also, another analogue is telephone directory, it was ruled that the data belongs to the public and thus can be copied even if the owners of White Pages compiled it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feist_v._Rural
Google uses hundreds of variables(location, search history, etc. etc.) to determine search ranking. So it's not surprising to see different results for different people.
Sad that Google has all the data that maps from keyword searches to clicked links that make Google far better than any search engine that is less used. This is the lifeblood of any search engine. Thinking of which, doesn't that data actually belong to all us who generate it? Maybe the DoJ should get involved and get Google to reveal this data to other search engines before Google becomes an abusing monopoly(if it hasn't already happened, see lawsuits). Bing got panned on here and elsewhere for trying to get a little of this data after getting permission from people who installed the Bing bar.
Also, how is it not monopoly abuse that Google Maps, Finance, etc. etc. get heavy promotion(not even an ad) on Google search engine which leads to smaller players like Yahoo Maps and MapQuest getting killed off? How is this different from IE vs. Netscape? http://searchengineland.com/the-problems-with-googles-house-ads-48325
Monopoly abuse happens to all companies, monopolies eventually suck, atleast Bing is trying.
The article is just regurgitating old information and then referring to Ballmer's quote(which was subsequently withdrawn) which said it would released in 2012. There's no indication where they got the 'this year' from.
That said, the current rumors place the release in April 2012. The earlier date was Holiday Season 2012.
You do realize that the reason for the printers failing to work is the manufacturer's fault and had nothing whatsoever to do with the OS being unfinished right?
While your other points may be true, what makes you think MS is not a serious player in the market? They have a full blown product with 25,000 apps written for it, and are actively going to release a huge update this year and planning another one next year. It isn't some random patent troll in East Texas.
Broad patents? Nokia holds some very specific patents related to the GSM communication hardware/software technology unlike Apple patenting a mechanism that has been around for ages. Example from 1991 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8lCetZ_57g
The data plan will cost the same as buying it on a contract. Only TMobile gives a $10 discount. The govt should make this practice illegal like it's done in the EU.
Is a dual core processor at that speed really better than a single-core at 3.6 MHz? I think I'd rather have the speed, not the parallel processing, especially if I'm watching DVD or better quality video.
Yes. even one of the two cores is 500 times faster than a 3.6Mhz processor.
Presumably, Nvidia's side of the agreement is that if Microsoft chooses to match an offer, Nvidia has to accept Microsoft's offer instead of whoever else made an offer.
That doesn't make any sense. All this agreement will do is turn it into a bidding war instead of a silent and secret deal behind doors.
Why not take things on their own merit instead of either believing the hype or totally dismissing it?
Anyway the new thing is usually better than the old thing as a general rule. Remember when Apple allowed only webapps on the iPhone? Here you had people arguing that web apps are the only ones you need. Once Apple introduced native apps, it was oh web apps suck!
What?! BWAHAHAHAhahaha. New UI paradigm. I guess if you fanboys say it enough, it must be true, right? Or, more likely, Android did tiles^H^H^H^H^H widgets better the first time.
And when you mean OS, if you mean the kernel
So, the OS is just the kernel now. Please hand in your geek card at the door.
If I say I am running a Linux OS on my computer or router or phone, what does that imply? Yes! It implies that I am running the Linux kernel. You need to hand in your geek card.
You made a lot of good points but some are off. Touch doesn't seem tacked on in the tablet UI, though I don't know well it will work with a mouse, the UI seems well made with touch first. Have to disagree with Metro not being good. It's a new chrome less paradigm leaving behind the window decorations found in http://img.zdnet.com/techDirectory/_PROGMAN.GIF
Android, Inc. was founded in Palo Alto, California, United States in October, 2003 by Andy Rubin (co-founder of Danger),[23] Rich Miner (co-founder of Wildfire Communications, Inc.),[24] Nick Sears (once VP at T-Mobile),[25] and Chris White (headed design and interface development at WebTV) [26] to develop, in Rubin's words "...smarter mobile devices that are more aware of its owner's location and preferences."[27] Despite the obvious past accomplishments of the founders and early employees, Android Inc. operated secretively, admitting only that it was working on software for mobile phones.[27]
Wow, are you retarded? None of that refutes the fact that Android was a new operating system when it came out. Unlike your precious Windows Phone 7.
How about you post with your account or get one instead of hiding behind AC?
What, start an account so I can "officially" call you an ignorant idiot. Whatever.
This is a new low for revisionist history on Slashdot. It's just a lot of circle jerking and hating ignorant fanboys here and you and your GP post are prime examples of that.
Revisionist, your ass. How them grapes taste?
What the hell? Everything is a new OS when it comes out, just like babies. Android version 1 sucked and was being build for blackberry style keyboard devices. Then iPhone comes out and Google just copies it. Atleast WP7 has a new UI paradigm whereas Android and iPhone look like the next iteration of this --> http://img.zdnet.com/techDirectory/_PROGMAN.GIF
And when you mean OS, if you mean the kernel as it's known it tech circles, the kernel started in 1991 and Android dev started in 2003. WP7 has zero backwards compatibility.
Isn't Android based on Linux and other OSS software?
Yeah, because Google had been selling so many prior iterations of Android before it even came out. Because, see, they have a fucking time machine and just got the OS from the future! Yeah, that's it. And, Dalvik, too. You know, the VM that the entire user space of Android runs on, they got that from the future as wll. So, no, it's not new software at all. Considering the fact that Android userspace has been ported to QNX (Blackberry Playbook) and desktop windows and probably everywhere else in various labs means Linux is purely incidental to it.
There is a world of difference between WP7 and WM6.5. Read up, you will be surprised.
Yeah, a world of difference in some areas. And a world of same in others. Beneath the "tiles", it's very similar. Much more so than say Android and any fucking version of Linux that has every been put out.
Spoken like a typical ignorant Slashdot dumbass who knows nothing except to accusing people of being M$ shills and apologists.
You sure aren't helping dispel that notion, jackass.
How about you post with your account or get one instead of hiding behind AC? Also where are your references except for your ill informed ramblings. From wiki:
Android Inc. founded in 2003
Android, Inc. was founded in Palo Alto, California, United States in October, 2003 by Andy Rubin (co-founder of Danger),[23] Rich Miner (co-founder of Wildfire Communications, Inc.),[24] Nick Sears (once VP at T-Mobile),[25] and Chris White (headed design and interface development at WebTV) [26] to develop, in Rubin's words "...smarter mobile devices that are more aware of its owner's location and preferences."[27] Despite the obvious past accomplishments of the founders and early employees, Android Inc. operated secretively, admitting only that it was working on software for mobile phones.[27]
This is a new low for revisionist history on Slashdot. It's just a lot of circle jerking and hating ignorant fanboys here and you and your GP post are prime examples of that.
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This is kind of similar to the Office file formats. MS paid millions or tens of millions of dollars to design, develop those but was still forced to open them up to competitors by the EU courts because of public interest. An analog in the real word is eminent domain in the US etc. And Google can still charge competitors the cost incurred to transfer the data i.e bandwidth, labor etc.
Also, another analogue is telephone directory, it was ruled that the data belongs to the public and thus can be copied even if the owners of White Pages compiled it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feist_v._Rural
Google uses hundreds of variables(location, search history, etc. etc.) to determine search ranking. So it's not surprising to see different results for different people.
Sad that Google has all the data that maps from keyword searches to clicked links that make Google far better than any search engine that is less used. This is the lifeblood of any search engine. Thinking of which, doesn't that data actually belong to all us who generate it? Maybe the DoJ should get involved and get Google to reveal this data to other search engines before Google becomes an abusing monopoly(if it hasn't already happened, see lawsuits). Bing got panned on here and elsewhere for trying to get a little of this data after getting permission from people who installed the Bing bar.
Also, how is it not monopoly abuse that Google Maps, Finance, etc. etc. get heavy promotion(not even an ad) on Google search engine which leads to smaller players like Yahoo Maps and MapQuest getting killed off? How is this different from IE vs. Netscape? http://searchengineland.com/the-problems-with-googles-house-ads-48325
Monopoly abuse happens to all companies, monopolies eventually suck, atleast Bing is trying.
The article is just regurgitating old information and then referring to Ballmer's quote(which was subsequently withdrawn) which said it would released in 2012. There's no indication where they got the 'this year' from.
That said, the current rumors place the release in April 2012. The earlier date was Holiday Season 2012.
There's a completely new radical default interface coming and we have people here claiming it's Vista SP5. Typical Slashdot ignorance.
ref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92QfWOw88I
You do realize that the reason for the printers failing to work is the manufacturer's fault and had nothing whatsoever to do with the OS being unfinished right?
While your other points may be true, what makes you think MS is not a serious player in the market? They have a full blown product with 25,000 apps written for it, and are actively going to release a huge update this year and planning another one next year. It isn't some random patent troll in East Texas.
They should make a PowerPoint presentation to communicate this to the masses!
Anyone else hover the link in the summary to see if it ends in a .pptx ?
This has been fixed 5 years ago... on Vista and Windows 7. Please, get with the times.
Broad patents? Nokia holds some very specific patents related to the GSM communication hardware/software technology unlike Apple patenting a mechanism that has been around for ages. Example from 1991 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8lCetZ_57g
Lulzsec/Anon etc. are going to be using this at concerts,tourist places etc. etc. wherever people would want to take pics.
The data plan will cost the same as buying it on a contract. Only TMobile gives a $10 discount. The govt should make this practice illegal like it's done in the EU.
Many of the types of sites you just mentioned allow the Google bot in without logging in, to drive hits.
Is a dual core processor at that speed really better than a single-core at 3.6 MHz? I think I'd rather have the speed, not the parallel processing, especially if I'm watching DVD or better quality video.
Yes. even one of the two cores is 500 times faster than a 3.6Mhz processor.
Presumably, Nvidia's side of the agreement is that if Microsoft chooses to match an offer, Nvidia has to accept Microsoft's offer instead of whoever else made an offer.
That doesn't make any sense. All this agreement will do is turn it into a bidding war instead of a silent and secret deal behind doors.
See http://www.riagenic.com/archives/487
Pure navel-gazing bs.
Did that redirect to daringfireball.net for you?
Much more formal analysis: http://www.riagenic.com/archives/487
Why not take things on their own merit instead of either believing the hype or totally dismissing it?
Anyway the new thing is usually better than the old thing as a general rule. Remember when Apple allowed only webapps on the iPhone? Here you had people arguing that web apps are the only ones you need. Once Apple introduced native apps, it was oh web apps suck!
Why don't you grow some balls and post as a non-AC?
Atleast WP7 has a new UI paradigm
What?! BWAHAHAHAhahaha. New UI paradigm. I guess if you fanboys say it enough, it must be true, right? Or, more likely, Android did tiles^H^H^H^H^H widgets better the first time.
And when you mean OS, if you mean the kernel
So, the OS is just the kernel now. Please hand in your geek card at the door.
WP7 has zero backwards compatibility.
How many "Linux" apps run on Android?
See http://www.riagenic.com/archives/487
If I say I am running a Linux OS on my computer or router or phone, what does that imply? Yes! It implies that I am running the Linux kernel. You need to hand in your geek card.
You made a lot of good points but some are off. Touch doesn't seem tacked on in the tablet UI, though I don't know well it will work with a mouse, the UI seems well made with touch first. Have to disagree with Metro not being good. It's a new chrome less paradigm leaving behind the window decorations found in http://img.zdnet.com/techDirectory/_PROGMAN.GIF
Also, why post anonymously? Get an account!
Android Inc. founded in 2003
Android, Inc. was founded in Palo Alto, California, United States in October, 2003 by Andy Rubin (co-founder of Danger),[23] Rich Miner (co-founder of Wildfire Communications, Inc.),[24] Nick Sears (once VP at T-Mobile),[25] and Chris White (headed design and interface development at WebTV) [26] to develop, in Rubin's words "...smarter mobile devices that are more aware of its owner's location and preferences."[27] Despite the obvious past accomplishments of the founders and early employees, Android Inc. operated secretively, admitting only that it was working on software for mobile phones.[27]
Wow, are you retarded? None of that refutes the fact that Android was a new operating system when it came out. Unlike your precious Windows Phone 7.
How about you post with your account or get one instead of hiding behind AC?
What, start an account so I can "officially" call you an ignorant idiot. Whatever.
This is a new low for revisionist history on Slashdot. It's just a lot of circle jerking and hating ignorant fanboys here and you and your GP post are prime examples of that.
Revisionist, your ass. How them grapes taste?
What the hell? Everything is a new OS when it comes out, just like babies. Android version 1 sucked and was being build for blackberry style keyboard devices. Then iPhone comes out and Google just copies it. Atleast WP7 has a new UI paradigm whereas Android and iPhone look like the next iteration of this --> http://img.zdnet.com/techDirectory/_PROGMAN.GIF
And when you mean OS, if you mean the kernel as it's known it tech circles, the kernel started in 1991 and Android dev started in 2003. WP7 has zero backwards compatibility.
>That looked like a citrix session or something to me , not the actual desktop
Really? What made you think so?
Isn't Android based on Linux and other OSS software?
Yeah, because Google had been selling so many prior iterations of Android before it even came out. Because, see, they have a fucking time machine and just got the OS from the future! Yeah, that's it. And, Dalvik, too. You know, the VM that the entire user space of Android runs on, they got that from the future as wll. So, no, it's not new software at all. Considering the fact that Android userspace has been ported to QNX (Blackberry Playbook) and desktop windows and probably everywhere else in various labs means Linux is purely incidental to it.
There is a world of difference between WP7 and WM6.5. Read up, you will be surprised.
Yeah, a world of difference in some areas. And a world of same in others. Beneath the "tiles", it's very similar. Much more so than say Android and any fucking version of Linux that has every been put out.
Spoken like a typical ignorant Slashdot dumbass who knows nothing except to accusing people of being M$ shills and apologists.
You sure aren't helping dispel that notion, jackass.
How about you post with your account or get one instead of hiding behind AC? Also where are your references except for your ill informed ramblings.
From wiki:
Android Inc. founded in 2003
Android, Inc. was founded in Palo Alto, California, United States in October, 2003 by Andy Rubin (co-founder of Danger),[23] Rich Miner (co-founder of Wildfire Communications, Inc.),[24] Nick Sears (once VP at T-Mobile),[25] and Chris White (headed design and interface development at WebTV) [26] to develop, in Rubin's words "...smarter mobile devices that are more aware of its owner's location and preferences."[27] Despite the obvious past accomplishments of the founders and early employees, Android Inc. operated secretively, admitting only that it was working on software for mobile phones.[27]
This is a new low for revisionist history on Slashdot. It's just a lot of circle jerking and hating ignorant fanboys here and you and your GP post are prime examples of that.
Did we see the same video? They f**** demoed the old UI in place.