That battle was lost on Slashdot thanks to Apple fans and Microsoft haters. Everyone was up in the arms about Palladium and DRM in Windows, but when it came to Apple, it was a meek surrender on here without a whimper to some extremely strong and abusive DRM. And we still hear some nonsense about DRM in Vista and Windows 7.
Windows will happily run that program. Wake me up when it refuses to.
You seem to be expecting Windows to crack DRM for you in a fresh install, unlike even Linux or OS X do. Sorry it won't, that's willing infringement of the DMCA and the media companies will have a field day in court proving it easily.
1. The protected video and audio path for example. the polling of the hardware to check to see if things are secure. this kind of software behavior is only in software designed around the concept of the user being the 'enemy'.
2. friend and former coworker, wanted to record gaming matches from his xbox360. both windows 7 and the console refused. the recording device was detected as a 'non- trusted piece of hardware' not only did the xbox360 refuse to display anything, but 7 and the recording software refused to even record the blank screen.
Regarding 1. If they want their customers to be able to play Bluray movies, they are legally obligated to implement protection and could be sued for billions otherwise. It's called following the law, if you don't like the law, why should MS take the blame?
Does OS X or Linux out-of-the-box allow you to play Bluray Discs or DRM'ed movies from Netflix/Amazon or elsewhere without authorization? Same with those OSes, the paths etc are NOT activated if the customers is not playing protected content. People play torrented MKVs of Harry Potter all the time in Windows Media Player without hacking anything in Windows. Why is this a problem? What is the user enabled to do under OS X/Linux that they are unable to do under Windows?
. 2. friend and former coworker, wanted to record gaming matches from his xbox360. both windows 7 and the console refused. the recording device was detected as a 'non- trusted piece of hardware' not only did the xbox360 refuse to display anything, but 7 and the recording software refused to even record the blank screen.
Again, HDCP is part of the federal law and knowingly violating it will result in hundreds of millions of damages. Does OS X or a Linux distro allow him to do that?
3. another friend, one who i have been with a decent while won't switch from xp to 7 because of this and the fact that 7 refuses to display on his still good few year old couple thousand dollar tv because it doesn't consider the connection 'protected'.
Your friend is wrong, Windows 7 will display with full resolution at all times except if your friend is playing DRM'ed content that he bought or borrowed. The content may have a a flag(because it's afraid that someone is recording it) that will decrease the resolution if the TV does not support HDCP.
Linux/OSX/XP will not be able to play the same content at all.
HDCP is mandated by law, lobby to change it instead of spreading FUD about Windows just because you hate MS.
I think possibly what is meant in the article is that a unique key will have to be retrieved every time. When I tried 7 beta, I used the same key several times for installation. It was also possible to turn back the system clock to keep the key valid.
How is that related to the activation system in the final version as the article and summary are claiming?
They wouldn't even need the company anymore... it will be shutdown.
Apple makes huge money on the hardware and selling a few extra gigs of RAM or hard drive space at 500% markup. OS X updates are just cream on top. MS has no such luxury. OS X pirates have already paid the Apple tax, they could care less.
Just because most people will not notice or run into it doesn't make it any better that the os is now designed around the model of preventing the owner of the machine to use the machine how he or she wants to because some media companies are paranoid.
Okay... nice and well and we have the standard wiki link to fallacies as well, perfect for debating and to get some mod points on Slashdot.
Now tell me how Windows 7 is or was "designed around the model of preventing the owner of the machine to use the machine how he or she wants to because some media companies are paranoid."? Any examples of you or friends or anyone trying to do something that was wrongly prevented by Windows 7 would also help a lot.
In connection with the incident, the intruder was able to sign a small
number of OpenSSH packages relating only to Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4
(i386 and x86_64 architectures only) and Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 (x86_64
architecture only).
Well of course these speculations should be taken as that until MS locks down features. Those articles you link deal with panic over MS enforcing anti-piracy for third parties. However given the history of MS pushing for more anti-piracy features of the OS itself such concerns are not neccesarily FUD. My main concern with that would be the false positives. Having been inconvenienced with calling MS for them to bless my installation of Windows for no apparent reason I can say it's a concern.
Lets take this from the article:
With the latest Windows 8 build (8064) that has been delivered to Intel, it’s clear that the company is taking strides to make sure that its upcoming OS isn’t quit so easy to pirate. For starters, the generic volume license keys that were so easily exploited during the early days of Windows 7 leaks will no longer be an option for pirates. Product keys also won’t be shipped in the prodkey.txt file included in the build packages. Instead, installers will need to retrieve a unique key from a Microsoft web page.
That was the case for Windows 7 Beta and RC releases as well,with the keys expiring in 1 year. Don't see anything new here, the article does cite any sources except a build to Intel which is obviously a preview build which always required you to get a key from Microsoft web pages to operate.
Seriously, most of the comments on the article already seem to indicate that Slashdotters have already fallen for the flame and link bait as if it were the truth, just like in the Windows 7 DRM article. It's almost surreal if it were not so predictable. Flamepait posts drive ad traffic from getting people worked up over nothing.
Vista was the most fudded one though(DRM etc.) , with a fake columnist making up fake data and benchmarks to play on Slashdot commenters and it did work well.
Next in few mins...Firefox 8 Alpha released and Firefox 9 Preview released... Do we need to clog up the front page with these articles? Gone are the days of version numbers making any sense in FF. We don't report Chrome versions do we?
As a result of the deal, Nokia will pay Microsoft royalties for the Windows Phone platform, starting only when the Finnish company launches its first Windows Phone devices. Microsoft has also agreed to make payments to Nokia “measured in the billions of dollars” for services but also intellectual property royalties.
Or are we supposed to believe that MS would have paid for Nokia's IP even if Nokia hadn't switched to Windows Phone?
From the article:
The deal will focus on four areas, including the porting of Nokia’s mapping, navigation and location services to the Windows Phone operating system, with Microsoft ensuring its Bing search engine is present on Nokia devices. Combined, the companies hope that it will enable “better monetization of Nokia’s navigation assets” and bring in “new forms of advertising revenue”.
Bing is weak on local and mapping in EU and Asia, so this deal involves that. If another OEM brings something in value to them, I am sure they may pay up.
What's with the obsession with Mueller? Wasn't he accused to being anti-Google in the Java case? Now he's anti-Apple and pro-Google in the article, is that a problem?
As far as I can find out, he did the crime of questioning PJ's motivations and funding which is considered a crime against a sacred cow in these parts. However, speculation is rife that he's a paid shill for someone. Anyone miss the delicious irony in this, one is considered above board and her motives unquestionable to the degree of being sacrosanct, whereas another is actively accused regarding his motivations?
I've owned Nokia phones in the past, and have always considered them when it came time to buy a new one. But they just ensured that will never happen again. I can see maybe dabbling with Windows Phone and offering a few sets for variety... but when the news keeps showing that Windows Phone is DoA, I don't get why Nokia would bet everything on a sinking ship. Are they truly that suicidal?
The article you quoted is rubbish. Here's a comment from there:
One should invest in a little research before writing.
1) The 38% drop stems almost entirely from users moving from Windows Mobile to another platform. Windows Mobile is to Windows Phone 7 what the Newton is to the iPhone. Yes, Microsoft is losing to Android but so is Apple. And it is misleading to imply, as you did, that customers are leaving Windows Phone 7. This just isn't the case.
2) Mango was released to manufactures last month. This was reported by this same outlet that allowed you to publish such drivel. On second thought, you were right to ignore it. I wouldn't trust eWeek as a source either.
Key takeaway is that hiring open source evangelists to design a mobile OS(i.e Meego) failed and they wouldn't have had enough devices running it. After the board realized that, they jettisoned the CEO and brought in Elop to get alternatives. Blackberry, HP and Google told him to take a hike so the only credible option left was WP7. Interesting angles that you don't see when you read Slashdot comments.
Even if it was fully deprecated, I don't know see how it makes the news invalid a typical Apple hater bait story. After all, there are a lot of Macs that haven't been upgraded to Lion. And we see stories about exploits in XP and Vista.
You seem to be still confused. Haven't you seen things being given away in Black Friday sales? In Hollywood accounting, the studio keep the extra money. The only benefit here that Amazon is getting is publicity and usage for their store, not money.
>WOW! Amazon is cheap bastards... Apple offers 70% (Seven - Zero) of sales. And you set your price... Apple NEVER does.
I think you're getting confused here. Apple keeps 30% of the revenue, and so does Amazon when an app is sold.
The difference is that Amazon will sometimes run a discount to push sales, but they say they give atleast 20% even if they're taking a loss on that(the article says it didn't apply to them). A big difference from what you said which seemed to indicated that Amazon is taking money from customers but giving only 20% to devs which is flat out wrong.
Huh, who said that Google Maps is a monopoly? The monopoly is the search, and the new market is maps. IE never had a monopoly when MS bundled it.
The argument was that MS was unfairly using it monopoly in OSes to drive adoption of IE in the browser market. i.e OS market distorting browser market by bundling.
So, there *can* be an argument made that Google is using space on their search engine site that's not available to anyone to promote other services hence people find it easier to click on that for maps while searching for info on a place on Google. Finding actual damages to Mapquest, etc. is a different story as you said in your post.
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That battle was lost on Slashdot thanks to Apple fans and Microsoft haters. Everyone was up in the arms about Palladium and DRM in Windows, but when it came to Apple, it was a meek surrender on here without a whimper to some extremely strong and abusive DRM. And we still hear some nonsense about DRM in Vista and Windows 7.
Wanted to add that if you really want to violate the DMCA and strip the DRM, feel free to get this program and install it on Windows.
http://www.drmconverter.net/remove-bluray-dvd-copy-protection.html
Windows will happily run that program. Wake me up when it refuses to.
You seem to be expecting Windows to crack DRM for you in a fresh install, unlike even Linux or OS X do. Sorry it won't, that's willing infringement of the DMCA and the media companies will have a field day in court proving it easily.
1. The protected video and audio path for example. the polling of the hardware to check to see if things are secure. this kind of software behavior is only in software designed around the concept of the user being the 'enemy'.
2. friend and former coworker, wanted to record gaming matches from his xbox360. both windows 7 and the console refused. the recording device was detected as a 'non- trusted piece of hardware' not only did the xbox360 refuse to display anything, but 7 and the recording software refused to even record the blank screen.
Regarding 1. If they want their customers to be able to play Bluray movies, they are legally obligated to implement protection and could be sued for billions otherwise. It's called following the law, if you don't like the law, why should MS take the blame?
Does OS X or Linux out-of-the-box allow you to play Bluray Discs or DRM'ed movies from Netflix/Amazon or elsewhere without authorization? Same with those OSes, the paths etc are NOT activated if the customers is not playing protected content. People play torrented MKVs of Harry Potter all the time in Windows Media Player without hacking anything in Windows. Why is this a problem? What is the user enabled to do under OS X/Linux that they are unable to do under Windows?
. 2. friend and former coworker, wanted to record gaming matches from his xbox360. both windows 7 and the console refused. the recording device was detected as a 'non- trusted piece of hardware' not only did the xbox360 refuse to display anything, but 7 and the recording software refused to even record the blank screen.
Again, HDCP is part of the federal law and knowingly violating it will result in hundreds of millions of damages. Does OS X or a Linux distro allow him to do that?
3. another friend, one who i have been with a decent while won't switch from xp to 7 because of this and the fact that 7 refuses to display on his still good few year old couple thousand dollar tv because it doesn't consider the connection 'protected'.
Your friend is wrong, Windows 7 will display with full resolution at all times except if your friend is playing DRM'ed content that he bought or borrowed. The content may have a a flag(because it's afraid that someone is recording it) that will decrease the resolution if the TV does not support HDCP.
Linux/OSX/XP will not be able to play the same content at all.
HDCP is mandated by law, lobby to change it instead of spreading FUD about Windows just because you hate MS.
I think possibly what is meant in the article is that a unique key will have to be retrieved every time. When I tried 7 beta, I used the same key several times for installation. It was also possible to turn back the system clock to keep the key valid.
How is that related to the activation system in the final version as the article and summary are claiming?
They wouldn't even need the company anymore... it will be shutdown.
Apple makes huge money on the hardware and selling a few extra gigs of RAM or hard drive space at 500% markup. OS X updates are just cream on top. MS has no such luxury. OS X pirates have already paid the Apple tax, they could care less.
Just because most people will not notice or run into it doesn't make it any better that the os is now designed around the model of preventing the owner of the machine to use the machine how he or she wants to because some media companies are paranoid.
Okay... nice and well and we have the standard wiki link to fallacies as well, perfect for debating and to get some mod points on Slashdot.
Now tell me how Windows 7 is or was "designed around the model of preventing the owner of the machine to use the machine how he or she wants to because some media companies are paranoid."? Any examples of you or friends or anyone trying to do something that was wrongly prevented by Windows 7 would also help a lot.
Already happened.
http://securityandthe.net/2008/08/22/rumor-confirmed-both-fedora-and-redhat-servers-hacked/
In connection with the incident, the intruder was able to sign a small
number of OpenSSH packages relating only to Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4
(i386 and x86_64 architectures only) and Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 (x86_64
architecture only).
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/87516/Debian_Project_servers_hacked
http://www.cio.com.au/article/369912/free_software_foundation_software_repository_hacked/
Oops wrong OS! Please continue with the regularly scheduled bashing, i mean programming, Slashdot.
Well of course these speculations should be taken as that until MS locks down features. Those articles you link deal with panic over MS enforcing anti-piracy for third parties. However given the history of MS pushing for more anti-piracy features of the OS itself such concerns are not neccesarily FUD. My main concern with that would be the false positives. Having been inconvenienced with calling MS for them to bless my installation of Windows for no apparent reason I can say it's a concern.
Lets take this from the article:
With the latest Windows 8 build (8064) that has been delivered to Intel, it’s clear that the company is taking strides to make sure that its upcoming OS isn’t quit so easy to pirate. For starters, the generic volume license keys that were so easily exploited during the early days of Windows 7 leaks will no longer be an option for pirates. Product keys also won’t be shipped in the prodkey.txt file included in the build packages. Instead, installers will need to retrieve a unique key from a Microsoft web page.
That was the case for Windows 7 Beta and RC releases as well,with the keys expiring in 1 year. Don't see anything new here, the article does cite any sources except a build to Intel which is obviously a preview build which always required you to get a key from Microsoft web pages to operate.
Seriously, most of the comments on the article already seem to indicate that Slashdotters have already fallen for the flame and link bait as if it were the truth, just like in the Windows 7 DRM article. It's almost surreal if it were not so predictable. Flamepait posts drive ad traffic from getting people worked up over nothing.
Here it begins, the FUD DRM campaign against Windows 8 and a collective group of people getting their panties in a twist.
Remember some gems for Windows 7, can anyone tell what became of them?
Draconian-DRM-Revealed-In-Windows-7
http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/16/2259257
Debunked here:
Oh, the humanity: Windows 7's draconian DRM?
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/02/oh-the-humanity-windows-7s-draconian-drm.ars
Vista was the most fudded one though(DRM etc.) , with a fake columnist making up fake data and benchmarks to play on Slashdot commenters and it did work well.
Sponsored by BoycottNovell?
If the garbage collected collected leaks, they wouldn't be called leaks anymore.
Next in few mins...Firefox 8 Alpha released and Firefox 9 Preview released... Do we need to clog up the front page with these articles? Gone are the days of version numbers making any sense in FF. We don't report Chrome versions do we?
Looks like Apple is giving free publicity to the Tab.
So when Microsoft says this:
Windows Phone is now the only platform that does so with equal opportunity for all partners.'
Does that mean that everyone gets billions of dollars from MS?
http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2011/04/21/nokia-and-microsoft-deal-official-definitive-agreement-signed/
As a result of the deal, Nokia will pay Microsoft royalties for the Windows Phone platform, starting only when the Finnish company launches its first Windows Phone devices. Microsoft has also agreed to make payments to Nokia “measured in the billions of dollars” for services but also intellectual property royalties.
Or are we supposed to believe that MS would have paid for Nokia's IP even if Nokia hadn't switched to Windows Phone?
From the article:
The deal will focus on four areas, including the porting of Nokia’s mapping, navigation and location services to the Windows Phone operating system, with Microsoft ensuring its Bing search engine is present on Nokia devices. Combined, the companies hope that it will enable “better monetization of Nokia’s navigation assets” and bring in “new forms of advertising revenue”.
Bing is weak on local and mapping in EU and Asia, so this deal involves that. If another OEM brings something in value to them, I am sure they may pay up.
What's with the obsession with Mueller? Wasn't he accused to being anti-Google in the Java case? Now he's anti-Apple and pro-Google in the article, is that a problem?
As far as I can find out, he did the crime of questioning PJ's motivations and funding which is considered a crime against a sacred cow in these parts. However, speculation is rife that he's a paid shill for someone. Anyone miss the delicious irony in this, one is considered above board and her motives unquestionable to the degree of being sacrosanct, whereas another is actively accused regarding his motivations?
Maybe it helped them take up the case. Judges and lawyers are usually pretty non-tech savvy and Android tablets are pretty obscure right now anyway.
Regardless of the justification for the result, evidence submitted by lawyers to court in a lawsuit should NOT be messed with in any way. Agreed?
This is probably related to the "Cloud First" strategy adopted by the outgoing CIO Vivek Kundra. http://fcw.com/articles/2011/02/28/buzz-cloud-computing-and-budget.aspx
I've owned Nokia phones in the past, and have always considered them when it came time to buy a new one. But they just ensured that will never happen again. I can see maybe dabbling with Windows Phone and offering a few sets for variety... but when the news keeps showing that Windows Phone is DoA, I don't get why Nokia would bet everything on a sinking ship. Are they truly that suicidal?
The article you quoted is rubbish. Here's a comment from there:
One should invest in a little research before writing.
1) The 38% drop stems almost entirely from users moving from Windows Mobile to another platform. Windows Mobile is to Windows Phone 7 what the Newton is to the iPhone. Yes, Microsoft is losing to Android but so is Apple. And it is misleading to imply, as you did, that customers are leaving Windows Phone 7. This just isn't the case.
2) Mango was released to manufactures last month. This was reported by this same outlet that allowed you to publish such drivel. On second thought, you were right to ignore it. I wouldn't trust eWeek as a source either.
As to why Nokia switched: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_24/b4232056703101.htm
Key takeaway is that hiring open source evangelists to design a mobile OS(i.e Meego) failed and they wouldn't have had enough devices running it. After the board realized that, they jettisoned the CEO and brought in Elop to get alternatives. Blackberry, HP and Google told him to take a hike so the only credible option left was WP7. Interesting angles that you don't see when you read Slashdot comments.
Even if it was fully deprecated, I don't know see how it makes the news invalid a typical Apple hater bait story. After all, there are a lot of Macs that haven't been upgraded to Lion. And we see stories about exploits in XP and Vista.
Watch out, once they lose the forced and convoluted arguments to support Apple and discredit MS, this what they will degenerate to:
http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/188807/mac_worm_author_receives_death_threats/
After all ,it's a religion.
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-is-a-religion-neuroscientists-find-it-triggers-the-same-reaction-in-your-brain-2011-5
Not just that... if you offend the Mac faithful, this is what you get! http://apple.slashdot.org/story/07/07/19/1231216/Mac-Worm-Author-Gets-Death-Threats
Erm. it's ALWAYS big news on Slashdot when the news is anything anti-MS, regardless of it being true or not.
Remember this story(and countless others)? http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/16/2259257
You seem to be still confused. Haven't you seen things being given away in Black Friday sales? In Hollywood accounting, the studio keep the extra money. The only benefit here that Amazon is getting is publicity and usage for their store, not money.
>WOW! Amazon is cheap bastards... Apple offers 70% (Seven - Zero) of sales. And you set your price... Apple NEVER does.
I think you're getting confused here. Apple keeps 30% of the revenue, and so does Amazon when an app is sold.
The difference is that Amazon will sometimes run a discount to push sales, but they say they give atleast 20% even if they're taking a loss on that(the article says it didn't apply to them). A big difference from what you said which seemed to indicated that Amazon is taking money from customers but giving only 20% to devs which is flat out wrong.
Huh, who said that Google Maps is a monopoly? The monopoly is the search, and the new market is maps. IE never had a monopoly when MS bundled it.
The argument was that MS was unfairly using it monopoly in OSes to drive adoption of IE in the browser market. i.e OS market distorting browser market by bundling.
So, there *can* be an argument made that Google is using space on their search engine site that's not available to anyone to promote other services hence people find it easier to click on that for maps while searching for info on a place on Google. Finding actual damages to Mapquest, etc. is a different story as you said in your post.