They are just being assholes to developers and to third party companies.
To that small subset of developers who want to develop in Flash (or similar) maybe. But the majority are perfectly happy to use the native ObjC/Cocoa Touch platform.
If devices like iPad are the future of computing, then I guess we can kiss a lot of languages goodbye unless they come from Cupertino and are blessed by Jobs, since even developers don't like jailbreaking(it's illegal according to Apple).
More importantly they are benefiting end users, who will find theApp Store less polluted with shitty apps.
You can write shitty apps in ObjC and people do it all the time. The App store is chock full of shitty apps like Fart apps. This banning of programming languages just makes sure that some good Apps are a pain for the developer to port, that's all.
Very true. Look at how Apple fleeces the iPhone users:
1) Profit on selling the device itself (either unlocked to consumer or to AT&T)
2) A nice MONTHLY cut of around $18 from AT&T from the subscribers min. of $70/month. (This is the real reason iPhone is exclusive to AT&T inspite of shitty service all around, notice how this isn't mentioned much here on/.?).
3) A FORCED 30% cut of all third party software sales for the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad.
No wonder Apple is wallowing in money, they found an almost perfect way to part fools with their money.
Apple should have the right to say what is going to run on the hardware that they support with guarantees that the hardware is going to work.
People have a lot of rights, it doesnt' mean they have to exercise them. OEMs had the right to allow only DOS/Windows on their machines. MS had the right to sell Windows only to IBM and not to COMPAQ. You have the right to act like an ass. But don't complain when you get a reputation for being so and people start avoiding you if they can....
Ummm.. hey dude, safari works just fine on the ipod/iphone/ipad and you can use it to read any prize winning journalist that you have legal (and even illegal) access to. E.g., just navigate to here [pulitzer.org], find the author you want and look it up on google. It's really not that hard.
Maybe, but why was that guy singled out? Why??? Next if Apple starts banning sites, you'll say 'Hey you can print out sites and read them on paper?'
In any case, you don't need flash and you only need one app. Adobe can suck it, flash sucks on anything but windows and I for one, am sick and tired of not having flash apps load properly and/or slow my system to a crawl. Ever since it was invented, people on slashdot have been complaining about sites that rely on flash to show their content, but now that Apple has banned it all according to you, being forced into using Adobe products to view the web is "being allowed to use your device anyway you want"? Are you nuts? You are being played by Adobe and they're waging their PR campaign not for your freedom like they say, but to preserve their profit and control of the world wide web.
Developer freedom is what is at stake here. This is a case of:
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. Voltaire
Slashdotters that hate Flash use Flashblock. Flash has it' uses. And soon people will complain about dancing bunnies with a musical soundtrack in rendered in HTML 5.
So Apple makes a profit on the iPhone(AT&T pays them for it), then they get around $20 from each iPhone subscriber's monthly payment, then they get a forced 30% of ALL software sales for the iPhone/iPad, they arbitrarily ban apps based on Jobs' tastes all the time, and you rant against Adobe for asking for a OPTION to run Flash?
They are just being assholes to developers and to third party companies. If all companies were like that, there would be very less variety and the whole ecosystem would suffer.
Note: It's not illegal to be an asshole, but you can still get publicly called out for it, like Adobe and some posters here are doing.
If this is indeed the case, then iPhone OS 4.0 would bring incredible speed improvements to the iPad, since it would no longer run applications on an ARM processor emulator. Can you imagine if OS 4.0 improved the iPad’s speed by 50% on day 1? Apple would be heralded as a software God. But in order for these speed improvements to be realized, apps would need to be written in objective C—which is exactly what Apple is now telling developers to do.
The writer doesn't realize that Adobe/MonoTouch were making a cross compiler from ActionScript/C# to Objective-C. So any improvements made to XCode will be available to those Apps too and if regular Apps are speeded up by 50%, so would the CS5 and MonoTouch Apps.
Posters below have already explained what a bunch of crock the speculation that the processor is actually a Power CPU is. Anyway what can you expect from a blind fanboy who writes stuff like:
Apple's DNA in this area is untouchable, helping it to innovate at the confluence of software and hardware.
I find it fascinating that Apple has been so good at diverting attention to the Flash argument, that people don’t see the true genius behind Steve Job’s vision and moves. Apple is setting the stage to become one of the biggest winners in the storied history of vertically integrated companies.
Hope they atleast release the Actionscript to Obj-C cross compiler so that people can at least attempt to use it for themselves, if not distribute it through the App Store.
Adobe should develop a Objective C to ActionScript(Flash) cross-compiler. That way, iPad/iPhone Apps can be made to run on Android, Windows etc. phone platforms.
What Wintel garden? It's been quite open, ever since the first version of Windows. Opera has now forced MS to advertize other browsers which I don't like. (Typing this from a Opera browser, user since 10 years).
Secunia: omfg Firefox has a vulnerability!!! Mozilla: ok so what are the specifics? Secunia:... (puts it on black hat exploit auctions) Mozilla: Hello? Secunia:... (sells it to the highest bidders) Mozilla: Anyone? Secunia a few days ago: Right then... here are the details... (Milked it enough) Mozilla: *patched beta*
Huh? Windows XP, Windows 2000 and previous NT lines have privilege separation. You could trivially run XP as a non-Admin user but badly written applications would choke. But I wouldn't characterize that as 'Running everything as root'.
But eventually, things changed. Eric settled in as Editor in Chief, and a new Executive Editor, Galen Gruman, emerged to forever change my life. For starters, Galen took a liking to the xpnet.com idea. He began championing the idea internally, working with me to refine the messaging and coordinate with the various sales and marketing groups to achieve buy-in. At the same time, Galen took it upon himself to become the primary editor of my now paid blogging gig. He helped me to identify which topic areas were having the most impact – and thus started me on my descent into internet “Shock Jock”hell.
You see, what Galen and I discovered was that the topics that were most effective in drawing readers were also those that skirted the edges of both legitimacy and taste. For example, if I wrote an entry detailing some deeply held belief about a particular IT vendor or technology, nobody paid any attention. However, if I simply vented about something that was bugging me – a mysterious crash in Vista or some piece of VDI “marchitecture” coming out of VMware – the attention level shot through the roof.
Eventually, I found myself enjoying the buzz that my “angry missives” would generate. Little did I realize how quickly such a model could deteriorate or how much it could damage me, personally, once it fell apart.
This guy was behind half the bullshit stories that Slashdot reported against Vista and Windows 7. Of course, the antiMS brigade on here just lapped it and would recite the same BS ad infinitum in posts.
..they want their joke back. Windows 7 runs perfectly fine on 6 year old machines. But MS is known for making shitty OSes with alternate versions so Windows 8 may still suck... though initial impressions are that not much will change from Windows 7.
But how many Macs have powerful graphic cards? Not everyone is going to get a Mac Pro costing $2500 at the very least with a very limited selection of graphics cards. Most of the rest of the line up have integrated Intel cards with piss poor graphic performance.
This processor is meant for servers, because they're Xeon, and with all the Web 2.0 and Cloud computing going on, servers are always hungry for more power.
Erm... Cocoa is for the UI layer, like toolbars, buttons etc., when did you ever see a standard toolbar in a game? Almost every game uses custom UI, so if steam games are using OpenGL(which is the only accelerated graphics API on the Mac), it should be easy to port it to Linux/BSD.
They have low res and high res versions of the content as can be seen in the Visual Studio solution in the video. The phone will use the low res content only.
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Also note, they didn't just ban Flash, they banned all other languages apart from a few they blessed.
To that small subset of developers who want to develop in Flash (or similar) maybe. But the majority are perfectly happy to use the native ObjC/Cocoa Touch platform.
If devices like iPad are the future of computing, then I guess we can kiss a lot of languages goodbye unless they come from Cupertino and are blessed by Jobs, since even developers don't like jailbreaking(it's illegal according to Apple).
More importantly they are benefiting end users, who will find theApp Store less polluted with shitty apps.
You can write shitty apps in ObjC and people do it all the time. The App store is chock full of shitty apps like Fart apps. This banning of programming languages just makes sure that some good Apps are a pain for the developer to port, that's all.
Very true. Look at how Apple fleeces the iPhone users:
1) Profit on selling the device itself (either unlocked to consumer or to AT&T)
2) A nice MONTHLY cut of around $18 from AT&T from the subscribers min. of $70/month. (This is the real reason iPhone is exclusive to AT&T inspite of shitty service all around, notice how this isn't mentioned much here on /.?).
3) A FORCED 30% cut of all third party software sales for the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad.
No wonder Apple is wallowing in money, they found an almost perfect way to part fools with their money.
Apple should have the right to say what is going to run on the hardware that they support with guarantees that the hardware is going to work.
People have a lot of rights, it doesnt' mean they have to exercise them. OEMs had the right to allow only DOS/Windows on their machines.
MS had the right to sell Windows only to IBM and not to COMPAQ. You have the right to act like an ass. But don't complain when you get a reputation for being so and people start avoiding you if they can....
BTW, I hear that Android sales are booming.
Please publish your App, it really sounds interesting.
I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire
Ummm.. hey dude, safari works just fine on the ipod/iphone/ipad and you can use it to read any prize winning journalist that you have legal (and even illegal) access to. E.g., just navigate to here [pulitzer.org], find the author you want and look it up on google. It's really not that hard.
Maybe, but why was that guy singled out? Why???
Next if Apple starts banning sites, you'll say 'Hey you can print out sites and read them on paper?'
In any case, you don't need flash and you only need one app. Adobe can suck it, flash sucks on anything but windows and I for one, am sick and tired of not having flash apps load properly and/or slow my system to a crawl. Ever since it was invented, people on slashdot have been complaining about sites that rely on flash to show their content, but now that Apple has banned it all according to you, being forced into using Adobe products to view the web is "being allowed to use your device anyway you want"? Are you nuts? You are being played by Adobe and they're waging their PR campaign not for your freedom like they say, but to preserve their profit and control of the world wide web.
Developer freedom is what is at stake here. This is a case of:
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire
Slashdotters that hate Flash use Flashblock. Flash has it' uses. And soon people will complain about dancing bunnies with a musical soundtrack in rendered in HTML 5.
So Apple makes a profit on the iPhone(AT&T pays them for it), then they get around $20 from each iPhone subscriber's monthly payment, then they get a forced 30% of ALL software sales for the iPhone/iPad, they arbitrarily ban apps based on Jobs' tastes all the time, and you rant against Adobe for asking for a OPTION to run Flash?
They are just being assholes to developers and to third party companies. If all companies were like that, there would be very less variety and the whole ecosystem would suffer.
Note: It's not illegal to be an asshole, but you can still get publicly called out for it, like Adobe and some posters here are doing.
He is just making people aware of the issue at hand i.e lack of developer freedom and political speech.
open source != Open Source. Look it up. One is a English term, another is a copyrighted term.
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If this is indeed the case, then iPhone OS 4.0 would bring incredible speed improvements to the iPad, since it would no longer run applications on an ARM processor emulator. Can you imagine if OS 4.0 improved the iPad’s speed by 50% on day 1? Apple would be heralded as a software God. But in order for these speed improvements to be realized, apps would need to be written in objective C—which is exactly what Apple is now telling developers to do.
The writer doesn't realize that Adobe/MonoTouch were making a cross compiler from ActionScript/C# to Objective-C. So any improvements made to XCode will be available to those Apps too and if regular Apps are speeded up by 50%, so would the CS5 and MonoTouch Apps.
Posters below have already explained what a bunch of crock the speculation that the processor is actually a Power CPU is. Anyway what can you expect from a blind fanboy who writes stuff like:
Apple's DNA in this area is untouchable, helping it to innovate at the confluence of software and hardware.
I find it fascinating that Apple has been so good at diverting attention to the Flash argument, that people don’t see the true genius behind Steve Job’s vision and moves. Apple is setting the stage to become one of the biggest winners in the storied history of vertically integrated companies.
Huh? Wtf?
Why is this crap posted on Slashdot anyway?
Hope they atleast release the Actionscript to Obj-C cross compiler so that people can at least attempt to use it for themselves, if not distribute it through the App Store.
Adobe should develop a Objective C to ActionScript(Flash) cross-compiler. That way, iPad/iPhone Apps can be made to run on Android, Windows etc. phone platforms.
What Wintel garden? It's been quite open, ever since the first version of Windows. Opera has now forced MS to advertize other browsers which I don't like. (Typing this from a Opera browser, user since 10 years).
Reads like yet another fanboy article. There are so many things that are so wrong but I'll pick just one:
Kindle has e-ink, which is MUCH better than LCDs for reading purposes. Thus they have their place.
Vista or Windows 7?
Maybe it was more like this:
Secunia: omfg Firefox has a vulnerability!!! ... (puts it on black hat exploit auctions) ... (sells it to the highest bidders)
Mozilla: ok so what are the specifics?
Secunia:
Mozilla: Hello?
Secunia:
Mozilla: Anyone?
Secunia a few days ago: Right then... here are the details... (Milked it enough)
Mozilla: *patched beta*
Running everything as root pre-Vista.
Huh? Windows XP, Windows 2000 and previous NT lines have privilege separation. You could trivially run XP as a non-Admin user but badly written applications would choke. But I wouldn't characterize that as 'Running everything as root'.
I don' understand why Slashdot keeps linking to Computer World. They have been outed as encouraging trolling by their writers.
http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/21/2329249/Windows-7-Memory-Usage-Critic-Outed-As-Fraud
http://exo-blog.blogspot.com/2010/02/editorial-confessions-of-internet-shock.html
http://exo-blog.blogspot.com/2010/03/editorial-incriminating-email-sinks.html
But eventually, things changed. Eric settled in as Editor in Chief, and a new Executive Editor, Galen Gruman, emerged to forever change my life. For starters, Galen took a liking to the xpnet.com idea. He began championing the idea internally, working with me to refine the messaging and coordinate with the various sales and marketing groups to achieve buy-in. At the same time, Galen took it upon himself to become the primary editor of my now paid blogging gig. He helped me to identify which topic areas were having the most impact – and thus started me on my descent into internet “Shock Jock”hell.
You see, what Galen and I discovered was that the topics that were most effective in drawing readers were also those that skirted the edges of both legitimacy and taste. For example, if I wrote an entry detailing some deeply held belief about a particular IT vendor or technology, nobody paid any attention. However, if I simply vented about something that was bugging me – a mysterious crash in Vista or some piece of VDI “marchitecture” coming out of VMware – the attention level shot through the roof.
Eventually, I found myself enjoying the buzz that my “angry missives” would generate. Little did I realize how quickly such a model could deteriorate or how much it could damage me, personally, once it fell apart.
This guy was behind half the bullshit stories that Slashdot reported against Vista and Windows 7. Of course, the antiMS brigade on here just lapped it and would recite the same BS ad infinitum in posts.
Hey! Stop interrupting our regularly scheduled M$ hate with your truth! Everything and anything must be made MS's fault to gain karma points!
..they want their joke back. Windows 7 runs perfectly fine on 6 year old machines. But MS is known for making shitty OSes with alternate versions so Windows 8 may still suck... though initial impressions are that not much will change from Windows 7.
But how many Macs have powerful graphic cards? Not everyone is going to get a Mac Pro costing $2500 at the very least with a very limited selection of graphics cards. Most of the rest of the line up have integrated Intel cards with piss poor graphic performance.
This processor is meant for servers, because they're Xeon, and with all the Web 2.0 and Cloud computing going on, servers are always hungry for more power.
Erm... Cocoa is for the UI layer, like toolbars, buttons etc., when did you ever see a standard toolbar in a game? Almost every game uses custom UI, so if steam games are using OpenGL(which is the only accelerated graphics API on the Mac), it should be easy to port it to Linux/BSD.
They have low res and high res versions of the content as can be seen in the Visual Studio solution in the video. The phone will use the low res content only.