Whoops, I forgot location isn't on/. profiles. Company is a successful business machines sales/leasing company with branches across the northern mid-west. The corporate office (where these positions are) is in Madison, WI.
We've been sitting on two open positions for going on 2 months now looking for qualified developers. Hell one seat is entry level! The other is mid level.
Outsourcing FUD be damned, we have the positions and I could really use some help here!
There are a handful of skills every paranoid/. reader should have. Lye soap making is one of them. When society crumbles, and the world falls to anarchy, the man who can make soap is worshiped by many.;)
US Citizens follow the media. If the media doesn't report on it, the average US citizen doesn't have a clue. Getting global warming topic into class rooms and into the media is the key to getting Americans active.
This isn't for consumers. This is form businesses. This allows for the creation of a multi-tiered internet. Companies like Google will have to pay not only their own bandwidth bill, but also a "premium" to any provider between themselves and you. So they will have to pay the company that provides their internet connect a premium to get their data to the internet "faster" (Which should translate into "not as slow"). But once it's there, there is nothing preventing other service providers from dropping them back down to teir 2. So this basically allows every ISP in existence to take a shot at any successful web enterprise.
From the consumer point of view, this means your favorite web site will either become slower, or raise its monthly fees and/or advertising.
Ask your boss if he would be more concerned with the government listening in on the company's VIOP calls, or if a Russian hacker spammed your voice mail system with a demand for $50,000 or the system would be shut down(dos'd)?
It's a common enough occurrence in digital service providers. Get a zombie net together, threaten a company with a demand they can afford, shut them down for a day, then wait for the money. The same attack style that the RIAA uses against college students. Sure, losing $3k as a student (or $50k as a company) sucks, but you can survive it, and it's significantly cheaper then trying to fight it.
If you are only running VOIP internally, it's not such a concern (although bandwidth management may be!), but it would suck to have some Russian grab your company by the nuts with a zombie attack on the pipe that feeds your VOIP server. Most companies out there would put down time on phone systems as a higher concern then evesdropping.
"don't you think this convicted monopolist should be taken to task for once again trying to use its monopoly to harm competition?"
That implies that they stopped.;) Microsoft is a successful business entity. They are going to work hard to maintain that success. I'm not saying that's good or right, but TFA is only in the lime light because someone incorrectly made a comment about MS goons going to consumer sites to inspect naked PCs. If you remove that portion of the article you are left with the status quo from MS, being: if you want to sell PCs with our OS, you should follow our rules. (note I use "our" in the sense of a letter from MS, I am in no way employed by or affiliated with MS)
That has to be the best post in this thread. It removes the anti-MS hype and FUD and lays this article out for what it is. A description of MS trying to protect its base and limit Linux growth. Yes, they are successful capitalist assholes, but we already knew that. Nothing really surprising here once you remove the FUD claims of MS visits.
"I can't think of a remedy that prevents age discrimition AND allows parents more control though."
In the absence of a clear and logical option, society will choose and arbitrary number of their own liking. In the US, that number for the most part is 18. Not saying it is right or good, just that society will create a norm when a need is determined.
"I am 28 but have thought this way since 10. I could have been biased then and just carried it over these last 2 decades."
I used to be a very stubern person, I still am from time to time (there was a certain/. debate I got into a while back, looking back on it I realise just how wrong I was.) But for the most part, I gave up on my inflated views of my own opinions when my pride took a crushing defeat over something that I was 'sure' I was right about a few years ago. I'm still confident and sure of my opinions, but I'm much more open for debate these days. And if someone can show me or prove a better option, I will gladly abandon my own option for it.
In this case for instance. If someone could show me how the industry standard (ie: not a law) of not selling AO games to minors and not selling M games to kids under 16 (I believe that was the recommendation, but I could be wrong), hurts the children, parents, the game industry, or society as a whole, I would love to hear it.
Think of it this way, if the median salary for the development team is say $55k/year, plus benefits and taxes, and there are what maybe 4 team members (developers + manager)? You are looking at a cool 1/4 mil per year. Which means that $10k will keep the developers paid for roughly half a month of full time work.
Nothing against OS development, but if you want a professional package, someone has to pay for it.
My NT350 class at Herzing School of Technology (a traditional brick and mortar tech school with a new online branch) taught by Curt Gibeau (sp?) was like this. Only my tuition was $1200 I think, and the course was 16 three hour night classes. We were broken into groups (2-3 net-workers and 1 programmer in each group). Each group was given standard enterprise requirements (AD, email, file storage, database, web server, client machine). We could use what ever OSs and software packages we liked, and we could run up to 5 machines. Over the course of the class we went over security theory and specifics for demonstrations, and then we would break into groups to work on building and securing our group enterprises.
In the end we didn't have quite as much attack time as we had hoped, and a lot of vectors were blocked off because we all knew we were going to be attacked and there was no real life activity on the networks. So everyone was was scrounging each others networks for any mistakes or missed patches. Some people had honey pots, some people hosted exploiting web pages, but for the most part, there was little damage. But we all learned a lot about securing networks and servers, and different ways to minimize risks.
All in all, definitely a class that was worth taking. I would recommend it to anyone in range of a Herzing campus, but the Teacher I had is no longer teaching (he's a full time network admin for the school now) and I have no idea how the class is arranged any more.
"Putting in compact flourescents is easy, though you want to be aware that the up-front costs of such lightbulbs can be somewhere between US$3.50 to US$8.00 per bulb."
Actually, home depot had a 5 pack for sale at $8. I picked up two and have been replacing bulbs as they fail, and all of the light fixtures in the parts of the house that are being remodeled.
"As for your VW TDI, I'll skip out until better technology to clean up diesel exhaust emissions (namely NOx, diesel particulates, and the general smell of diesel exhaust)"
NOx is the only bad one, and is hardly a bad trade off for the reduction in other emissions. Switching to Bio Diesel (even just B20) can drop emissions (excluding NOx) and particulates even further while reducing our dependency on foreign oil. The primary issue with NOx (so far as my understand goes) is that NOx scrubbers get contaminated by the sulfur that is in most of the US's dirty diesel. By switching to 100% bio diesel (B100) you are virtually eliminating sulfur emissions and NOx scrubbing can be preformed much more efficiently. Now we just need the fuel industry to catch up with the auto industry.
Also by switching to B20 or above you can pretty much get rid of that traditional diesel small, and even with standard dirty fuel the sent is only noticeable if you are stuck in traffic. The HVAC system on the Golf also has a pretty nice filtering system and a recirculation switch so you don't have to pull in "fresh" air while stopped. And if you are driving a lot in traffic, you are significantly better off with a hybrid where you can take advantage of power from breaking.
"not to mention improving the engine design to eliminate the "clatter" common to many diesel engines."
My golf is amazingly quite. Most of the other diesels I've owned/driven have been large trucks. And there is no comparison between a Golf TDI and an F250. In fact, the Golf TDI is quieter then both my '88 Fiero (6 cylinder w/ high flow exhaust) and my Wife's 87 Dodge Raider (tiny 4 cylinder econo engine, rebuilt 1 year ago with a full new exhaust system). The Golf TDI is louder then the standard gas version, but not as loud as the GTI performance version.
"We won't see those for at least two years."
We won't see any (except Mercedes I think) for 2 years because the EPA is dropping bins 8 and 9 for consumer autos. VW has cut production of the TDI lines until the 2008 model year when they will be introducing a new fuel delivery system that should squeak by the regulations. At this point though, fuel quality is the limiting factor in diesel emissions.
One of the other great features is there are no more glow plug waiting. VW added a system where the glow plugs turn on when you open the door, so by the time you get into the driver seat and turn the ignition, the cylinders are already hot and ready to go.
My house is lit almost exclusively by high efficiency bulbs.
Over the last year I have insulated 60% of my house (built in 1890, when wood was plentiful and insulation was non-existant.)
I have recently purchased a VW Golf TDI. It is a diesel that gets 47+ mpg Highway and can run on Biodiesel with no conversions (a kit is required for veggie oil though).
The nice thing about steps like these is that it saves consumers money! With my Wife and I switching most of our driving to the new VW we are saving ~$170 a month in gas. The extra insulation has saved us a ton in heating costs. And those low power consumption bulbs will pay for themselves in savings long before they burn out.
"It's society's responsibility to both employ your offspring as a responsible young adult..."
No, it is my son's responsibility to himself and to society to be a productive member of the society in which he lives.
"and restrict your same offspring as an irresponsible child when using his or her earned income to make entertainment decisions?"
All societies, cultures, and sub-cultures have acceptable norms. Whether you as an individual accept those norms or not is irrelevant. The question then becomes a matter of norms enforcement, which is something all groups of people do. Reinforcing norms is the norm. The very fact that there are norms will then be imprinted on the individuals in the society and the subconscious fear of rejection forces us to not only except in those norms, but to further reinforce them. So yes, I expect society to restrict my child's activities and have a profound effect on his up bringing.
"That is the most absurd thing I have ever seen in my life."
As a fellow reader of/., I highly doubt that.
"Like the rest of the responsibility you're trying to shirk"
Please, tell me how I am shirking responsibilities? I have placed rules on the software aloud in my house, and the software that my child is aloud to use. If I find software that I do not approve of, I will remove it.
This is not a matter of shirking responsibility, this is a matter of a socially accepted standard being applied to a new form of media similar to an old form of media(Movies).
If you want to change the social norm, feel free to try, but I would recommend preaching to the people on the fence before you attack the people firm in their opinion. As the old saying goes, never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
Yes, isn't that nice. We shouldn't have any laws because in a system where checks and balances can be abused they absolutely will.
For instance, we shouldn't support laws against murder, because some day they'll come for those who think about murder, and then some day they come for those who are predisposed to murder, and eventually they'll come for the rest...
In this case, nothing is being outlawed. Nothing is being removed from society. The only issue at stake is whether or not consumer retail stores are respecting an industry standard (ie: NOT A LAW!)
"I don't want the responsibility of raising your kids.... I don't have children because I don't want to deal with these issues."
So you don't want to be responsible for raising my kid, and you have no kids of your own, despite your rather ridiculous tone, I would guess you are 17+ years old, which would mean these restrictions have no bearing on you. Unless you are working as a register clerk for a retail store, in which case, you will politely shut the hell up and ring the register like the manager told you two.
I had my first job at 13. And I am guessing my child will also get a job over his youthful summers. So you are suggesting that I should instill responsibility in my child by making them get a job, then taking any money they earn from them to prevent them from ever having the posibility to make a mistake with that money? That is hardly a way to raise a child. Children need to be free enough to make mistakes and learn from them while parent stand ready to guide and catch their child when they make a poor decision. If my child takes his money to a store I would prefer to know that the store is not selling my child violent video games. If I feel that my son is mature enough to handle playing violent video games, then I will buy the game with or for him. If I do not feel my son is mature enough to play violent video games then I will not buy the game, and if I find it on a PC in the house, I will remove it.
Using your logic we should do away with the drinking, smoking restrictions, and are requirements for drivers licenses and porno. Because hey, if your parent(s) taught you right, your age wouldn't matter. Now tell me, how many 13 year olds would you hand the keys to your car to? Especially if they had a cig hanging off their lip and a 1/5th of tequila in a brown paper bag?
Afraid to draw a conclusion? Hardly! How big are you to assume that you are all knowing of some supreme being's true motives and desires? Religion is nothing more then a tool used to cow the masses. Enforcing order by wagging an imaginary finger at the masses with threats of hell fire and damn nation. Which, all in all, has probably saved the world from countless immoral acts, but in and of itself has caused some of the worst atrocities ever committed on this planet.
Me, draw a conclusion? My conclusion is simple, I will lead my life as best as I can with as few regrets as I can. And when I die, if that's not good enough for what ever is out there, then I will accept responsibility for my actions and suffer the consequences.
I'll not fool myself or pretend to be omniscient, nor will I blindly follow some ancient and poorly translated manual purely because some group of people preach it to be the truth.
Now me, I'm a confirmed Agnostic. And I'm not going to attempt to pester what ever supreme being there is out there to cure my ailing Grandpa (who has lead a long and rewarding life). But what effect does praying have on the participants in the study?
Anecdotally speeking, if two men go into the hospital for open heart surgeries, and one wive prays and the other doesn't, is there any statistical link between the praying wife and non-praying wife when it comes to their own health? Will praying for a loved one reduce stress or reduce depression?
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Whoops, I forgot location isn't on /. profiles. Company is a successful business machines sales/leasing company with branches across the northern mid-west. The corporate office (where these positions are) is in Madison, WI.
-Rick
We've been sitting on two open positions for going on 2 months now looking for qualified developers. Hell one seat is entry level! The other is mid level.
Outsourcing FUD be damned, we have the positions and I could really use some help here!
-Rick
There are a handful of skills every paranoid /. reader should have. Lye soap making is one of them. When society crumbles, and the world falls to anarchy, the man who can make soap is worshiped by many. ;)
-Rick
US Citizens follow the media. If the media doesn't report on it, the average US citizen doesn't have a clue. Getting global warming topic into class rooms and into the media is the key to getting Americans active.
-Rick
Okay, some mod need to learn the meaning of the word Redundant!
-Rick
This isn't for consumers. This is form businesses. This allows for the creation of a multi-tiered internet. Companies like Google will have to pay not only their own bandwidth bill, but also a "premium" to any provider between themselves and you. So they will have to pay the company that provides their internet connect a premium to get their data to the internet "faster" (Which should translate into "not as slow"). But once it's there, there is nothing preventing other service providers from dropping them back down to teir 2. So this basically allows every ISP in existence to take a shot at any successful web enterprise.
From the consumer point of view, this means your favorite web site will either become slower, or raise its monthly fees and/or advertising.
-Rick
Easy, the router/cable owning companies just throttle any content coming from out side the country.
-Rick
Ask your boss if he would be more concerned with the government listening in on the company's VIOP calls, or if a Russian hacker spammed your voice mail system with a demand for $50,000 or the system would be shut down(dos'd)?
It's a common enough occurrence in digital service providers. Get a zombie net together, threaten a company with a demand they can afford, shut them down for a day, then wait for the money. The same attack style that the RIAA uses against college students. Sure, losing $3k as a student (or $50k as a company) sucks, but you can survive it, and it's significantly cheaper then trying to fight it.
-Rick
If you are only running VOIP internally, it's not such a concern (although bandwidth management may be!), but it would suck to have some Russian grab your company by the nuts with a zombie attack on the pipe that feeds your VOIP server. Most companies out there would put down time on phone systems as a higher concern then evesdropping.
-Rick
"don't you think this convicted monopolist should be taken to task for once again trying to use its monopoly to harm competition?"
;) Microsoft is a successful business entity. They are going to work hard to maintain that success. I'm not saying that's good or right, but TFA is only in the lime light because someone incorrectly made a comment about MS goons going to consumer sites to inspect naked PCs. If you remove that portion of the article you are left with the status quo from MS, being: if you want to sell PCs with our OS, you should follow our rules. (note I use "our" in the sense of a letter from MS, I am in no way employed by or affiliated with MS)
That implies that they stopped.
-Rick
That has to be the best post in this thread. It removes the anti-MS hype and FUD and lays this article out for what it is. A description of MS trying to protect its base and limit Linux growth. Yes, they are successful capitalist assholes, but we already knew that. Nothing really surprising here once you remove the FUD claims of MS visits.
-Rick
"I can't think of a remedy that prevents age discrimition AND allows parents more control though."
/. debate I got into a while back, looking back on it I realise just how wrong I was.) But for the most part, I gave up on my inflated views of my own opinions when my pride took a crushing defeat over something that I was 'sure' I was right about a few years ago. I'm still confident and sure of my opinions, but I'm much more open for debate these days. And if someone can show me or prove a better option, I will gladly abandon my own option for it.
In the absence of a clear and logical option, society will choose and arbitrary number of their own liking. In the US, that number for the most part is 18. Not saying it is right or good, just that society will create a norm when a need is determined.
"I am 28 but have thought this way since 10. I could have been biased then and just carried it over these last 2 decades."
I used to be a very stubern person, I still am from time to time (there was a certain
In this case for instance. If someone could show me how the industry standard (ie: not a law) of not selling AO games to minors and not selling M games to kids under 16 (I believe that was the recommendation, but I could be wrong), hurts the children, parents, the game industry, or society as a whole, I would love to hear it.
-Rick
Think of it this way, if the median salary for the development team is say $55k/year, plus benefits and taxes, and there are what maybe 4 team members (developers + manager)? You are looking at a cool 1/4 mil per year. Which means that $10k will keep the developers paid for roughly half a month of full time work.
Nothing against OS development, but if you want a professional package, someone has to pay for it.
-Rick
My NT350 class at Herzing School of Technology (a traditional brick and mortar tech school with a new online branch) taught by Curt Gibeau (sp?) was like this. Only my tuition was $1200 I think, and the course was 16 three hour night classes. We were broken into groups (2-3 net-workers and 1 programmer in each group). Each group was given standard enterprise requirements (AD, email, file storage, database, web server, client machine). We could use what ever OSs and software packages we liked, and we could run up to 5 machines. Over the course of the class we went over security theory and specifics for demonstrations, and then we would break into groups to work on building and securing our group enterprises.
In the end we didn't have quite as much attack time as we had hoped, and a lot of vectors were blocked off because we all knew we were going to be attacked and there was no real life activity on the networks. So everyone was was scrounging each others networks for any mistakes or missed patches. Some people had honey pots, some people hosted exploiting web pages, but for the most part, there was little damage. But we all learned a lot about securing networks and servers, and different ways to minimize risks.
All in all, definitely a class that was worth taking. I would recommend it to anyone in range of a Herzing campus, but the Teacher I had is no longer teaching (he's a full time network admin for the school now) and I have no idea how the class is arranged any more.
-Rick
"Putting in compact flourescents is easy, though you want to be aware that the up-front costs of such lightbulbs can be somewhere between US$3.50 to US$8.00 per bulb."
Actually, home depot had a 5 pack for sale at $8. I picked up two and have been replacing bulbs as they fail, and all of the light fixtures in the parts of the house that are being remodeled.
"As for your VW TDI, I'll skip out until better technology to clean up diesel exhaust emissions (namely NOx, diesel particulates, and the general smell of diesel exhaust)"
NOx is the only bad one, and is hardly a bad trade off for the reduction in other emissions. Switching to Bio Diesel (even just B20) can drop emissions (excluding NOx) and particulates even further while reducing our dependency on foreign oil. The primary issue with NOx (so far as my understand goes) is that NOx scrubbers get contaminated by the sulfur that is in most of the US's dirty diesel. By switching to 100% bio diesel (B100) you are virtually eliminating sulfur emissions and NOx scrubbing can be preformed much more efficiently. Now we just need the fuel industry to catch up with the auto industry.
Also by switching to B20 or above you can pretty much get rid of that traditional diesel small, and even with standard dirty fuel the sent is only noticeable if you are stuck in traffic. The HVAC system on the Golf also has a pretty nice filtering system and a recirculation switch so you don't have to pull in "fresh" air while stopped. And if you are driving a lot in traffic, you are significantly better off with a hybrid where you can take advantage of power from breaking.
"not to mention improving the engine design to eliminate the "clatter" common to many diesel engines."
My golf is amazingly quite. Most of the other diesels I've owned/driven have been large trucks. And there is no comparison between a Golf TDI and an F250. In fact, the Golf TDI is quieter then both my '88 Fiero (6 cylinder w/ high flow exhaust) and my Wife's 87 Dodge Raider (tiny 4 cylinder econo engine, rebuilt 1 year ago with a full new exhaust system). The Golf TDI is louder then the standard gas version, but not as loud as the GTI performance version.
"We won't see those for at least two years."
We won't see any (except Mercedes I think) for 2 years because the EPA is dropping bins 8 and 9 for consumer autos. VW has cut production of the TDI lines until the 2008 model year when they will be introducing a new fuel delivery system that should squeak by the regulations. At this point though, fuel quality is the limiting factor in diesel emissions.
One of the other great features is there are no more glow plug waiting. VW added a system where the glow plugs turn on when you open the door, so by the time you get into the driver seat and turn the ignition, the cylinders are already hot and ready to go.
-Rick
My house is lit almost exclusively by high efficiency bulbs.
Over the last year I have insulated 60% of my house (built in 1890, when wood was plentiful and insulation was non-existant.)
I have recently purchased a VW Golf TDI. It is a diesel that gets 47+ mpg Highway and can run on Biodiesel with no conversions (a kit is required for veggie oil though).
The nice thing about steps like these is that it saves consumers money! With my Wife and I switching most of our driving to the new VW we are saving ~$170 a month in gas. The extra insulation has saved us a ton in heating costs. And those low power consumption bulbs will pay for themselves in savings long before they burn out.
-Rick
Or maybe it didn't. Stupid 'error has occurred' message.
-Rick
Ahh! Slash dot ate my post. Damn it. I'm not retyping that thing. Suffice it to say that I have my opinion and you have yours.
-Rick
"It's society's responsibility to both employ your offspring as a responsible young adult..."
/., I highly doubt that.
No, it is my son's responsibility to himself and to society to be a productive member of the society in which he lives.
"and restrict your same offspring as an irresponsible child when using his or her earned income to make entertainment decisions?"
All societies, cultures, and sub-cultures have acceptable norms. Whether you as an individual accept those norms or not is irrelevant. The question then becomes a matter of norms enforcement, which is something all groups of people do. Reinforcing norms is the norm. The very fact that there are norms will then be imprinted on the individuals in the society and the subconscious fear of rejection forces us to not only except in those norms, but to further reinforce them. So yes, I expect society to restrict my child's activities and have a profound effect on his up bringing.
"That is the most absurd thing I have ever seen in my life."
As a fellow reader of
"Like the rest of the responsibility you're trying to shirk"
Please, tell me how I am shirking responsibilities? I have placed rules on the software aloud in my house, and the software that my child is aloud to use. If I find software that I do not approve of, I will remove it.
This is not a matter of shirking responsibility, this is a matter of a socially accepted standard being applied to a new form of media similar to an old form of media(Movies).
If you want to change the social norm, feel free to try, but I would recommend preaching to the people on the fence before you attack the people firm in their opinion. As the old saying goes, never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
-Rick
Yes, isn't that nice. We shouldn't have any laws because in a system where checks and balances can be abused they absolutely will.
For instance, we shouldn't support laws against murder, because some day they'll come for those who think about murder, and then some day they come for those who are predisposed to murder, and eventually they'll come for the rest...
In this case, nothing is being outlawed. Nothing is being removed from society. The only issue at stake is whether or not consumer retail stores are respecting an industry standard (ie: NOT A LAW!)
-Rick
"I don't want the responsibility of raising your kids.... I don't have children because I don't want to deal with these issues."
So you don't want to be responsible for raising my kid, and you have no kids of your own, despite your rather ridiculous tone, I would guess you are 17+ years old, which would mean these restrictions have no bearing on you. Unless you are working as a register clerk for a retail store, in which case, you will politely shut the hell up and ring the register like the manager told you two.
-Rick
I had my first job at 13. And I am guessing my child will also get a job over his youthful summers. So you are suggesting that I should instill responsibility in my child by making them get a job, then taking any money they earn from them to prevent them from ever having the posibility to make a mistake with that money? That is hardly a way to raise a child. Children need to be free enough to make mistakes and learn from them while parent stand ready to guide and catch their child when they make a poor decision. If my child takes his money to a store I would prefer to know that the store is not selling my child violent video games. If I feel that my son is mature enough to handle playing violent video games, then I will buy the game with or for him. If I do not feel my son is mature enough to play violent video games then I will not buy the game, and if I find it on a PC in the house, I will remove it.
Using your logic we should do away with the drinking, smoking restrictions, and are requirements for drivers licenses and porno. Because hey, if your parent(s) taught you right, your age wouldn't matter. Now tell me, how many 13 year olds would you hand the keys to your car to? Especially if they had a cig hanging off their lip and a 1/5th of tequila in a brown paper bag?
-Rick
-Rick
Afraid to draw a conclusion? Hardly! How big are you to assume that you are all knowing of some supreme being's true motives and desires? Religion is nothing more then a tool used to cow the masses. Enforcing order by wagging an imaginary finger at the masses with threats of hell fire and damn nation. Which, all in all, has probably saved the world from countless immoral acts, but in and of itself has caused some of the worst atrocities ever committed on this planet.
Me, draw a conclusion? My conclusion is simple, I will lead my life as best as I can with as few regrets as I can. And when I die, if that's not good enough for what ever is out there, then I will accept responsibility for my actions and suffer the consequences.
I'll not fool myself or pretend to be omniscient, nor will I blindly follow some ancient and poorly translated manual purely because some group of people preach it to be the truth.
-Rick
Now me, I'm a confirmed Agnostic. And I'm not going to attempt to pester what ever supreme being there is out there to cure my ailing Grandpa (who has lead a long and rewarding life). But what effect does praying have on the participants in the study?
Anecdotally speeking, if two men go into the hospital for open heart surgeries, and one wive prays and the other doesn't, is there any statistical link between the praying wife and non-praying wife when it comes to their own health? Will praying for a loved one reduce stress or reduce depression?
-Rick
F' the other 1.7%
-Rick