But my (and the vast majority of consumers) TV is only standard definition, so anything 480i or better is over kill. To me, the average consumer, there is no benefit.
What does a blue ray disk offer to a consumer that a DVD doesn't? If a DVD can provide 480i quality full length movies, why should I pay double for the same thing on a new disk that I have to buy a new player for?
Nah, prices will come down because they will have to compete against standard DVDs for quite a few years (until HD TV penetration gets significantly higher).
Right now they are on bleeding edge prices. Just like DVDs when they were new. I paid $160 for a DVD Player drive in 98, and $20+ for 'The Crow' with no extra features. My newest DVD player, a high speed progressive scan unit cost $65 and Serenity cost me like $12 with almost an hour of extra features (not including commentary).
It looked pretty bleak for RIM there for a bit, but out of no where they got a second wind, stood up and muttered something about the fight not being over. They then sucker punched the patent holder by using political pressure (not merits) to get the last patent tossed. And then, while the other company was writhing around on the ground, RIM whipped it out and started pissing on them. Sure, they could have avoided the fight all together by just applying this patch ages ago, but where's the fun in that?
A small percent of 1.3 billion people is still a lot a people. Even if only a tenth of a percent of all Muslims are fundamental radicalist you're still looking at over a million people.
Would leaking this news story and making the world body aware of China's continued suppression of free speech not count as 'something'?
I mean, what can Yahoo! do? If they disobey, they'll get booted from China. But if they leak the story they can encourage other countries to apply political pressure, hope the message gets to civilians in China, and motivates people to bring about change.
A robust Logging solution is a requirement. Something that can not only tell you all the usual goodies, but also, which thread is performing the logging.
I've you're still peering through a text file trying to figure out a stream of events, stop. Set up a database and a logging system that will track entries by session and process. It will save you a huge amount of time in the long run.
Incorrect. GM is STILL the #1 brand in the US. Toyota overcame Ford for the #2 spot in 2005. And Toyota is projected to displace GM in the next few years at current rate. But that's a whole other discussion.
The ACD system for example talks to the ACD Database, the Employee Database, and the Admin Database. So it contains references to ACD.dll, Employee.dll, and General.dll (the admin database data objects are all contained in General.dll).
I can then write code like:
Dim objEmp as New GFC.Data.Employee.EmployeeDO objEmp.FindByUserName("UserName")
Dim objACDEvents as New GFC.Data.ACD.EventsDO objACDEvents.FindByExtension(objEmp.Extension)
for i as integer = 0 to objACDEvents.Count-1
objACDEvents.Load(i)
debug.writeling( objACDEvents.EventType & " " & objACDEvents.EventTime & " " & objACDEvents.Length) next
It just took a minute or so to create code that will spit out all ACD events from a specific employee.
"Having said this, however, using the.NET still locks you into the Microsoft platform and Microsoft's development methodologies,"
Platform, yes. (Although there is mono) Methodologies? no. MS has 'best practices' and templates, but you can code in any way you want. Yes,.Net is designed for Object Oriented development methodologies, and MS back them. But you can still write sequential code with GoTo statements if you really want.
"both of which change constantly. As these change, perfectly good code becomes obsolete, begins to conflict with newer versions of the OS, browser, system DLLs, and so forth."
My VB6 apps developed on NT 4 are still working just fine on Windows XP. My.Net apps are working just as expected on 2K and XP (98 machines can be a bit iffy). So yes, things do change, but as long as there is a.Net Framework for your OS and the development version, you're all good.
"And I'm still far from convinced that.NET is truly competitive with Java or the various Open Source (LAMP) application stacks for building software other than rich clients. In my view, it trades somewhat shorter initial development time for higher long-term lifecycle costs."
When you get to code writing,.Net and Java are almost identical. The design theory behind both is almost identical. Each has points where it excells and lacks, and you should use those points to decide on which to use. The development Cycle between the to is almost identical these days..Net has an advantage in user interface design, but in the grand scope of things, that will be a pretty minor impact.
"I recommend that.NET apps, like any other apps, be partitioned into separate, reasonably self-contained logical layers for data, logic, and presentation, communicating if possible via XML over HTTP(s)."
Even rich clients can be developed this way. Data and Business abstraction layers, independant interfaces, and XML data transfers are all commonly used in both rich and lite clients.
There are a lot of tools in.Net for creating direct links from the interface to the data layer (Which I quite often preach against!). But the tools for a complete data abstraction layer are all there. Templates galor exist, free for your use.
"the application development is business in itself (you will be busy for quite a long time writing even some not-so-complex apps)"
Uh okay. I have work on some amazingly complexe systems in.Net. Not complexe in the scientific sence, where you have a defined formula and you must make a program to perform it, but in the complexities of ERP solutions, which I can garuntee are significantly more complexe over their total life cycle..Net allows me to put these application together quickly, expecially with a data abstraction layer and proper use of inheritance and object orriented design. Java is just as capable in those regards with a few exceptions. 1) Swing sucks. If you are a Java developer and you aren't willing to concede that Swing sucks, you are beyond the scope of my debate. 2) MS's IDEs blow most Jave IDEs away. I've been out of the Java world for a while now, but in late 2k4 the best option I found (blending capabilities, stability and performance) was TextPad. Now, maybe Eclipse has improved greatly since then, but it would have a huge improvement to make to catch up with the.Net 2k2 IDE, let alone the new 2k5 IDE. Now, Java is GOOD for things too. Multi-platform highly portable code for instance.
"Even as some people are saying there were nothing interesting done in computer programming since Smalltalk"
'Some people' say we were created by a flying spagetti monster.
"Enjoy your salary while.Net is a popular buzzword.".Net has been a popular buzzword for 4 years now, and is in CNN's top 5 most in demand jobs.
"Then got rejected like VB programmers got."
You realise that VB is/was the most widely used language in the world with the largest number of programmers of any language. I wish I still had the source to site for that statment, but I can't seem to find the article. In any case, claiming that VB programmers got rejected is like claiming GM got rejected. They may not be perfect, and they may be on the way down, but they are still the top selling automobile brand in the US.
I code in.Net in a business environment. We have 3 database systems (SQL Server, Sybase, OMD) 6+ currently active applications. Some of these apps are completely unrelated.
Say the ACD Monitor (a PBX system that monitors our phone queues, shows queue history, employee work load and allows for growth projections) and the Lease Reporting system (handles data reporting and invoicing for a 3rd party leasing system).
These two systems are completely seperate, but they share a LOT of code. We use a data abstraction layer for accessing data. So no matter which of the 3 database systems I'm hitting, I use the exact same code in the app. The base of that code is in a general library, then each database gets it's own library. For example, in our General.dll there is a 'BaseSQL_DO' class that handles base functionality for talking to SQL Server, automating prarameter lists, loading and updating data etc. Then there is an Employee.dll, that dll contains a list of classes like Employee_DO, Branch_DO, Department_DO, etc... each of those classes inherits from the BaseSQL_DO class.
Now when we get to the ACD system, I can tie an ACD event, or a series of ACD events to a specific extention. And since the each employee's extention is tracked in the employee database, I can create a link and associate each ACD event with an employee.
With the leasing system we track sales reps and zip codes. With this system I can tie any piece of leasing information with an employee too.
The General.DLL also contains the LogManager that uses a SQL Server for all of our logging.
Having all of this code boken into reusable modules has increased our stability and decreased our development time. I don't have to recreate a system to talk to the employee database for each system. I don't have to worry about coworkers using some strange means to access data. I don't have to worry about checking 18 different text file logs.
Not only does this code interchage flawlessly with each of our windows applications, it also powers our web applications. And if the mono project would ever get the VB.Net compiler to work again we could run our automated tasks on a linux server.
Being a.Net developer I was hoping for some decent conversation about this book and different ideas about design.
Unfortunately, this is/. so all that is here is FUD and trolls.
If someone would actually enjoy a conversation about data abstraction, business application development, and advanced theory in.Net development, I'd be all for it though!
So can a person in France stand on a street corner handing out copies of copy righted material too?
This is the equivilant of saying it's okay for any person to press as many copies of a copyrighted material as they want and hand them out to complete strangers. So long as they don't make a profit.
My point was not to rag on Apple, but to rag on the summary writer and editor. The summary was factually incorrect and made it sound like this give away was a sign of Apple's financial strength.
I don't mind taking the ocasional troll rating, but atleast let people understand what I was trolling!
They'll get subsidized through the nose. Think about the billions being spent by governments around the world trying to provide socialized health care/medicare/medicaid to people on AIDS cocktails.
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But my (and the vast majority of consumers) TV is only standard definition, so anything 480i or better is over kill. To me, the average consumer, there is no benefit.
-Rick
What does a blue ray disk offer to a consumer that a DVD doesn't? If a DVD can provide 480i quality full length movies, why should I pay double for the same thing on a new disk that I have to buy a new player for?
Nah, prices will come down because they will have to compete against standard DVDs for quite a few years (until HD TV penetration gets significantly higher).
Right now they are on bleeding edge prices. Just like DVDs when they were new. I paid $160 for a DVD Player drive in 98, and $20+ for 'The Crow' with no extra features. My newest DVD player, a high speed progressive scan unit cost $65 and Serenity cost me like $12 with almost an hour of extra features (not including commentary).
-Rick
"a tenth of a percent"
1% of 1.3 billion is 13 million. 1/10 of 13 million is 1.3 million. A tenth of a percent = 0.1% or 0.001
-Rick
It looked pretty bleak for RIM there for a bit, but out of no where they got a second wind, stood up and muttered something about the fight not being over. They then sucker punched the patent holder by using political pressure (not merits) to get the last patent tossed. And then, while the other company was writhing around on the ground, RIM whipped it out and started pissing on them. Sure, they could have avoided the fight all together by just applying this patch ages ago, but where's the fun in that?
-Rick
A small percent of 1.3 billion people is still a lot a people. Even if only a tenth of a percent of all Muslims are fundamental radicalist you're still looking at over a million people.
-Rick
"So far, said Mr Preatoni, there was little evidence that western hacker groups were taking any action in retaliation for the Islamic attacks."
Slacker westerners! Get off your mothers couch and go wag a digital war!
Kidding!
-Rick
"i agree yahoo! "should have done something,"
Would leaking this news story and making the world body aware of China's continued suppression of free speech not count as 'something'?
I mean, what can Yahoo! do? If they disobey, they'll get booted from China. But if they leak the story they can encourage other countries to apply political pressure, hope the message gets to civilians in China, and motivates people to bring about change.
-Rick
A robust Logging solution is a requirement. Something that can not only tell you all the usual goodies, but also, which thread is performing the logging.
I've you're still peering through a text file trying to figure out a stream of events, stop. Set up a database and a logging system that will track entries by session and process. It will save you a huge amount of time in the long run.
-Rick
Incorrect. GM is STILL the #1 brand in the US. Toyota overcame Ford for the #2 spot in 2005. And Toyota is projected to displace GM in the next few years at current rate. But that's a whole other discussion.
-Rick
Not exactly, but close.
Here is some out dated design docs
http://ringdev.com/code/GFCNamespace.gif
http://ringdev.com/code/GFCTeirDesign.gif
The ACD system for example talks to the ACD Database, the Employee Database, and the Admin Database. So it contains references to ACD.dll, Employee.dll, and General.dll (the admin database data objects are all contained in General.dll).
I can then write code like:
Dim objEmp as New GFC.Data.Employee.EmployeeDO
objEmp.FindByUserName("UserName")
Dim objACDEvents as New GFC.Data.ACD.EventsDO
objACDEvents.FindByExtension(objEmp.Extension)
for i as integer = 0 to objACDEvents.Count-1
objACDEvents.Load(i)
debug.writeling( objACDEvents.EventType & " " & objACDEvents.EventTime & " " & objACDEvents.Length)
next
It just took a minute or so to create code that will spit out all ACD events from a specific employee.
-Rick
"Having said this, however, using the .NET still locks you into the Microsoft platform and Microsoft's development methodologies,"
.Net is designed for Object Oriented development methodologies, and MS back them. But you can still write sequential code with GoTo statements if you really want.
.Net apps are working just as expected on 2K and XP (98 machines can be a bit iffy). So yes, things do change, but as long as there is a .Net Framework for your OS and the development version, you're all good.
.NET is truly competitive with Java or the various Open Source (LAMP) application stacks for building software other than rich clients. In my view, it trades somewhat shorter initial development time for higher long-term lifecycle costs."
.Net and Java are almost identical. The design theory behind both is almost identical. Each has points where it excells and lacks, and you should use those points to decide on which to use. The development Cycle between the to is almost identical these days. .Net has an advantage in user interface design, but in the grand scope of things, that will be a pretty minor impact.
.NET apps, like any other apps, be partitioned into separate, reasonably self-contained logical layers for data, logic, and presentation, communicating if possible via XML over HTTP(s)."
Platform, yes. (Although there is mono) Methodologies? no. MS has 'best practices' and templates, but you can code in any way you want. Yes,
"both of which change constantly. As these change, perfectly good code becomes obsolete, begins to conflict with newer versions of the OS, browser, system DLLs, and so forth."
My VB6 apps developed on NT 4 are still working just fine on Windows XP. My
"And I'm still far from convinced that
When you get to code writing,
"I recommend that
Even rich clients can be developed this way. Data and Business abstraction layers, independant interfaces, and XML data transfers are all commonly used in both rich and lite clients.
-Rick
"There really is no data abstraction in .NET"
.Net for creating direct links from the interface to the data layer (Which I quite often preach against!). But the tools for a complete data abstraction layer are all there. Templates galor exist, free for your use.
.Net. Not complexe in the scientific sence, where you have a defined formula and you must make a program to perform it, but in the complexities of ERP solutions, which I can garuntee are significantly more complexe over their total life cycle. .Net allows me to put these application together quickly, expecially with a data abstraction layer and proper use of inheritance and object orriented design. Java is just as capable in those regards with a few exceptions. 1) Swing sucks. If you are a Java developer and you aren't willing to concede that Swing sucks, you are beyond the scope of my debate. 2) MS's IDEs blow most Jave IDEs away. I've been out of the Java world for a while now, but in late 2k4 the best option I found (blending capabilities, stability and performance) was TextPad. Now, maybe Eclipse has improved greatly since then, but it would have a huge improvement to make to catch up with the .Net 2k2 IDE, let alone the new 2k5 IDE. Now, Java is GOOD for things too. Multi-platform highly portable code for instance.
.Net is a popular buzzword." .Net has been a popular buzzword for 4 years now, and is in CNN's top 5 most in demand jobs.
There are a lot of tools in
"the application development is business in itself (you will be busy for quite a long time writing even some not-so-complex apps)"
Uh okay. I have work on some amazingly complexe systems in
"Even as some people are saying there were nothing interesting done in computer programming since Smalltalk"
'Some people' say we were created by a flying spagetti monster.
"Enjoy your salary while
"Then got rejected like VB programmers got."
You realise that VB is/was the most widely used language in the world with the largest number of programmers of any language. I wish I still had the source to site for that statment, but I can't seem to find the article. In any case, claiming that VB programmers got rejected is like claiming GM got rejected. They may not be perfect, and they may be on the way down, but they are still the top selling automobile brand in the US.
-Rick
Well some mod completely missed the humour in that post. Ahh well.
-Rick
Dear Mr. Kettle,
I, as I'm sure you are already aware, am black.
Thanks you,
-Mr. Pot
I code in .Net in a business environment. We have 3 database systems (SQL Server, Sybase, OMD) 6+ currently active applications. Some of these apps are completely unrelated.
Say the ACD Monitor (a PBX system that monitors our phone queues, shows queue history, employee work load and allows for growth projections) and the Lease Reporting system (handles data reporting and invoicing for a 3rd party leasing system).
These two systems are completely seperate, but they share a LOT of code. We use a data abstraction layer for accessing data. So no matter which of the 3 database systems I'm hitting, I use the exact same code in the app. The base of that code is in a general library, then each database gets it's own library. For example, in our General.dll there is a 'BaseSQL_DO' class that handles base functionality for talking to SQL Server, automating prarameter lists, loading and updating data etc. Then there is an Employee.dll, that dll contains a list of classes like Employee_DO, Branch_DO, Department_DO, etc... each of those classes inherits from the BaseSQL_DO class.
Now when we get to the ACD system, I can tie an ACD event, or a series of ACD events to a specific extention. And since the each employee's extention is tracked in the employee database, I can create a link and associate each ACD event with an employee.
With the leasing system we track sales reps and zip codes. With this system I can tie any piece of leasing information with an employee too.
The General.DLL also contains the LogManager that uses a SQL Server for all of our logging.
Having all of this code boken into reusable modules has increased our stability and decreased our development time. I don't have to recreate a system to talk to the employee database for each system. I don't have to worry about coworkers using some strange means to access data. I don't have to worry about checking 18 different text file logs.
Not only does this code interchage flawlessly with each of our windows applications, it also powers our web applications. And if the mono project would ever get the VB.Net compiler to work again we could run our automated tasks on a linux server.
-Rick
Being a .Net developer I was hoping for some decent conversation about this book and different ideas about design.
/. so all that is here is FUD and trolls.
.Net development, I'd be all for it though!
Unfortunately, this is
If someone would actually enjoy a conversation about data abstraction, business application development, and advanced theory in
-Rick
Yeah, Bird just isn't powerful enough. How about 'SongHawk' or 'SongBadger' or some other respectable animal.
-Rick
Okay, not so crazy. I just saw that media tax the French have to pay. So this isn't crazy, it's just socialized. Which may be dumb, but isn't crazy.
-Rick
So can a person in France stand on a street corner handing out copies of copy righted material too?
This is the equivilant of saying it's okay for any person to press as many copies of a copyrighted material as they want and hand them out to complete strangers. So long as they don't make a profit.
That's freaking crazy!
-Rick
Uhh, you got that backwards. They are NOT sticking up for copy rights.
-Rick
I don't know... If people start downloading pron from iTunes straight to the iPalm things could get iHairy.
-Rick
My point was not to rag on Apple, but to rag on the summary writer and editor. The summary was factually incorrect and made it sound like this give away was a sign of Apple's financial strength.
I don't mind taking the ocasional troll rating, but atleast let people understand what I was trolling!
-Rick
They'll get subsidized through the nose. Think about the billions being spent by governments around the world trying to provide socialized health care/medicare/medicaid to people on AIDS cocktails.
-Rick
"Googling for "Ceragenins" results in zero hits. "
;)
Maybe Ceragenins have been black listed for having 'penis size', 'discrete medication', and 'horny teenage girls' on their web site
-Rick
My point is that the summary is about worthless. That is all.
-Rick