You are so right. We need to get beyond the desktop metaphor. Yet, this very/. group collectively gnash their teeth when Apple tries to move beyond the file system, for the typical user. All you can hear (um...see) is posts complying that Apple is rooming easy default access to the file system. It is so funny that these are the same people that say they want progress.
Amazing to read this story and comments like this one from @WrongSizeGlass. This is the same forum where Apple has been criticized for having the appearance of a one-button mouse for so long...right?
Seriously, many, many people really don't have a clue how to run their computers they way the crew on this forum do. Keeping things very simple (yes, the appearance of a one-button mouse) is not a bad idea. Address the lowest common denominator while providing those that can do better with the tools they want/need.
On a bit of a different note, I've moved from using the file structure to using the search functionality of my computer (a long time ago really). This story about CTRL-F I've implemented into my workflow on my whole computer and I've never looked back. It has made a huge difference in my time and productivity. I've basically one large Documents folder where I dump everything. Same thing for my e-mail. If I'm going to keep an e-mail around, it gets dumped into the single Read folder after I've dealt with it, in the In Box.
So many people on this forum seem to think that more laws will make driving safer. And they typically pick on the cell phone users because that it very obvious when they see someone driving badly and you can see them with their electronic device. The problem with that is that there are so many more distractions that you cannot see easily that are just - if not more -dangerous as driving while using cell phones. Some examples:
- reading newspaper while driving - reading book while driving - having conversation with passenger while driving - eating/drinking while driving - spilling/dropping something in your lap while driving - adjusting the car radio (for those that still use them) while driving - reading billboards while driving - staring a pretty girl on roadside while driving - not getting enough sleep before driving - taking medication (even cough medicine) before driving - putting on makeup while driving
I could go on and on with the number of things that my mother (a former police chief) has seen as the reasons that someone was distracted while driving and causing an accident. Most states have a law that covers all of these conditions. It is usually called something like "Reckless Driving". There are just too many variables to try making laws over specific issues. Then, you have to take into account the people trained to handle many things, at one time, that have to be excluded from the laws for things like cell phone usage. Take police officers. For years, they've had to deal with emergency driving situations while using communications gear.
Bottom line is to let the Reckless Driving laws handle people that are careless. Don't punish those that handle whatever they are doing behind the wheel successfully. Just because you can't talk on the phone (or any of the above situations) at the same time you drive, don't punish those that can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Extorting means making a demand. So far, there has been nothing but a press press release about MPEG-LA companies finding patent violations. And the companies have not had their names announced yetso what. That is probably to keep Google from getting to them before then can mount an attack. There is nothing wrong with that.
As to software patents themselves, I'm conflicted. While on one hand, I think that people that come up with original, non-evolutionary ideas should be paid for them. On the other hand, I hate that patents seem to feed the lawyers more than anyone else. I also hate that the obvious stuff gets patented and causes problems for every one.
The problems with standardizing is that it kills innovation. Maybe once we have a close to perfect power supply, then we should look to standardize. Meanwhile, let's keep the innovations coming.
Sorry, you seem to be the one doing the moving. Student pricing? Where did that come from? And as to keeping variable in check, I did a USA Apple Store to USA Dell Store Online comparison. It doesn't get more level than that.
Know how computers work? You must be kidding. I'm pretty damn sure I know more about what makes a computer work than you probably do. I was building my own system and programming EPROMS to create custom logicquite possibly before you were even bornso don't go there. And citing individual item specs is more dead than megahertz myth. A balanced system produces the best performance. It does you no good to (using an auto analogy) drop tie together a Lotus suspension with a Ferrari engine only to put in a Pinto drive train. And those unbalanced cheap systems are just that. And don't go into how Dells are good machines when we, here in Austin, know them to be crap (and thats from the guys that assemble them and support them).
Toshibaah there's a name from the history books. There was a day when a Toshiba laptop was *the* laptop to get. But, as I said, that was history. One of these days, you may actually learn enough to realize that a well performing system is more than just a sum of it spec sheet stats.
I've heard the market share argument for years and it still doesn't add up. While there are fewer Macs, virtually all of them have been running without any type of malware protection. Add to that Mac aficionados have been rubbing the virus writers nose in the fact that not one successful virus has been released into the wild on the Mac platform all this time. Millions and millions of unprotected Macs to use as bots and not a single successful virus. Not to mention that according to some of the posters on this forum, Mac buyers are people with lots of money and no sense so they obviously wouldn't know what to do if they did get a virus and still no one is successful in attacking the user base. Come on. Please try a new one.
As to the iOS devices, there are more of them out there than there are Android devices and they are a far more consistent hardware platform. Yet, where have all the successful malware attacks beenAndroid platform.
What attack is happening on the App Store? I have seen nothing in the news or the net to indicate that there is an attack ongoing against the App Store. Link please.
Why did you run to JBHIFI for a price comparison? For the price you are throwing around for a MacBook, you get a MacBook Pro and the MacBook starts at $999. And the little performance performance increase you may have gotten out of your i3 is ruined because of the large clock difference between the faster Mac's and your sample Dell and the fact that yours has Intel integrated graphics and not a discrete Nvidia processor like the MacBook. I did notice that you cited the MacBook's video using shared memory, but you somehow neglected to add that to the Dell rig. As to the warranty, it better be a good one with the Dell, you are going to need it. BTWI'm in Austin. You should hear how the folks that design and build those rigs talk about them. You really should have picked a company with a better shot at quality.
On to the Asus!
Again you go to JBHIFI instead of the Apple site. Why? The base MacBook Pro looks like this:
2.3GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 4GB 1333MHz 320GB 5400-rpm1 Intel HD Graphics 3000 Built-in battery (7 hours)2 Apple Store On-line US$1199
I'll believe the battery life claim on the Asus when I see it. While there are some non-Apple notebooks getting those numbers, the reviews that I've read say that the vast majority are not. In fact the Apple laptops are among the few actually getting their claims or better. BTWI can't find the model you specify for Asus on the US site so I can do not comparison and confirm/deny your experience.
Moving the goal posts? And they do the same things? Really? I guess you could say that about an Osborne you could throw into this mix, too. BTWwhere is your Asus' Thunderbolt interface? Ah, I see. Still running those legacy interfaces.
As to the links, did you really need to have Apple.com pointed out to you?
Sorry for the attitude you felt. No intended, at least not at you specifically. I am just tired of the kit assemblers taking the superior attitude over people that decide to buy quality gear to get work done. If that is not you, I do apologize. But when you popped off about posting from your XP box, it does have to do with dinosaurs and it set me off. Again, sorry if you felt anger. It was not specifically against you.
I've run through many machine comparisons. Would you mind being more specific for yours? Usually when someone states a laptop with such savings, it is a POS missing many things that the "equivalent" Mac has in it.
And, no, I don't see where you are going. Don't compare a Yugo to a porsche and claim they are both the same because they have four wheels and two doors. Show me your laptop and and I'll you mine (figuratively). In other words, tell me your machine and I'll tell you mine.
Even with that, what works for you will not necessarily work for me and vice versa.
Now, with the exchange rate, I assume that you may have some real issues in pricing. For me, using a USA pricing structure, I've often found that Macs cost the same or less than equivalent kit.
Download? Dude, while the US is behind many places, download speed is not what I'm talking about, since it isn't that slow to begin with – besides I don't sit around waiting for anything to download. As to extra money, I'll put my income against most yours and let's see who has the extra money!:-) I make enough that I value my time more than I do trying to screw around getting museum pieces to work together. I did my hobby days back in the 70's building kit computers like the Altair 8080 and coding them on them in binary. Yes, I'm an old coot. Now I buy and screw with technology to make things happen - not just because I can.
And that nickel and dime stuff you are talking about - again - to each their own. I prefer them to have them test stuff for me so it works. Besides, hundreds of new tested API's and frameworks is not "...[moving] some stuff around in the UI". It is a bunch of work that I've found very useful. Not all of it and not all of it done perfect. But better than the alternatives, for me.
Dude, if you are a nerd, why the hell did you purchase a system built by someone else? Besides, I agree with you on the time to set up Windows. That is why I went Mac. UNIX goodness with time to work on the stuff that I care about. Not assembling a box nor trying to get a linux distro working. I just buy the box and get to work.
BTWI don't build my own cars either. Just buy them and drive.
Certainly Snow Leopard is an upgrade for Leopard – that is no secret. However, it was an important upgrade that provided a lot of the frameworks that allow for the things that we see developers making today. Not sure that that is germane.
Right. But Jobs did say that they were going to work with a standards body to make it available to more devices. However, a year later that has not happened. Make me wonder if it will every happen.
(btwI mispoke and it was pointed out to meso I corrected my position).
To each their own! I prefer my Mac Kit with OS X to Asus with Windows. I'm assuming that you also saved money by downloading a linux distro instead of Windows. I'll add up the hours I saved by not doing that and keep on being happy with my decision.
I stand corrected. Apparently, Apple is working with some standards body to get it approved, but nothing has been released into the wild yet. Until then, just vaporware – or is that vaporlicense.
You do realize that Apple released the code for FaceTime for others to build it into their clients. And you do realize that several important pieces of the new stuff are also made available to third party developers so they can participate, too? Exactly how is releasing code for others to use locking users into a static platform?
You are so right. Apple has no developers writing stuff for their hardware. Ohwaitdidn't they pay over $2B to someone. Oh yes, developers. Where did they come from. Obviously they were not able to attract them.
Purchase Snow Leopard $30. Purchase Lion $30. Total $60.
Purchase Windows 7 for about $200+
Yep. Apple is expensive and double dipping. You only have $120+ more in your pockets now than if you went with a Windows upgrade. Maybe more if you upgraded to Vista and then to 7.
Amen for common sense! Bot for your own business place and for your position on the original poster's question. You are the kind of guy I like to have around me in business.
Just say you are incompetent in FMP databases and be done with it. PHP/MySQL if fine. However, the guy obviously has other duties and it not an actual full time IT guy. He just wants to be able to do more with the tools he has. He is not asking if he can pick up another career as a SQL expert. FMP can do an awful lot for a businessif they have a business that can benefit from a custom database or one of the pre-built solutions. It will never replace MySQL or Oracle, but it is probably fine for a 12-person office. Problem is, we don't know what business he is in so we don't know for sure if it will work for him.
You mean 10% and 15% plus whatever expenses they incur. And, their clients cover all the other costs of their business ventures. Bet when you add all those things up that you come up with a 30% or more of total revenue going out the door.
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You are so right. We need to get beyond the desktop metaphor. Yet, this very /. group collectively gnash their teeth when Apple tries to move beyond the file system, for the typical user. All you can hear (um...see) is posts complying that Apple is rooming easy default access to the file system. It is so funny that these are the same people that say they want progress.
Amazing to read this story and comments like this one from @WrongSizeGlass. This is the same forum where Apple has been criticized for having the appearance of a one-button mouse for so long...right?
Seriously, many, many people really don't have a clue how to run their computers they way the crew on this forum do. Keeping things very simple (yes, the appearance of a one-button mouse) is not a bad idea. Address the lowest common denominator while providing those that can do better with the tools they want/need.
On a bit of a different note, I've moved from using the file structure to using the search functionality of my computer (a long time ago really). This story about CTRL-F I've implemented into my workflow on my whole computer and I've never looked back. It has made a huge difference in my time and productivity. I've basically one large Documents folder where I dump everything. Same thing for my e-mail. If I'm going to keep an e-mail around, it gets dumped into the single Read folder after I've dealt with it, in the In Box.
So many people on this forum seem to think that more laws will make driving safer. And they typically pick on the cell phone users because that it very obvious when they see someone driving badly and you can see them with their electronic device. The problem with that is that there are so many more distractions that you cannot see easily that are just - if not more -dangerous as driving while using cell phones. Some examples:
- reading newspaper while driving
- reading book while driving
- having conversation with passenger while driving
- eating/drinking while driving
- spilling/dropping something in your lap while driving
- adjusting the car radio (for those that still use them) while driving
- reading billboards while driving
- staring a pretty girl on roadside while driving
- not getting enough sleep before driving
- taking medication (even cough medicine) before driving
- putting on makeup while driving
I could go on and on with the number of things that my mother (a former police chief) has seen as the reasons that someone was distracted while driving and causing an accident. Most states have a law that covers all of these conditions. It is usually called something like "Reckless Driving". There are just too many variables to try making laws over specific issues. Then, you have to take into account the people trained to handle many things, at one time, that have to be excluded from the laws for things like cell phone usage. Take police officers. For years, they've had to deal with emergency driving situations while using communications gear.
Bottom line is to let the Reckless Driving laws handle people that are careless. Don't punish those that handle whatever they are doing behind the wheel successfully. Just because you can't talk on the phone (or any of the above situations) at the same time you drive, don't punish those that can walk and chew gum at the same time.
And maybe, navigation, music, etc. is exactly what they are selling for. Why blame the maker for a product misuse?
Extorting means making a demand. So far, there has been nothing but a press press release about MPEG-LA companies finding patent violations. And the companies have not had their names announced yetso what. That is probably to keep Google from getting to them before then can mount an attack. There is nothing wrong with that.
As to software patents themselves, I'm conflicted. While on one hand, I think that people that come up with original, non-evolutionary ideas should be paid for them. On the other hand, I hate that patents seem to feed the lawyers more than anyone else. I also hate that the obvious stuff gets patented and causes problems for every one.
The problems with standardizing is that it kills innovation. Maybe once we have a close to perfect power supply, then we should look to standardize. Meanwhile, let's keep the innovations coming.
Sorry, you seem to be the one doing the moving. Student pricing? Where did that come from? And as to keeping variable in check, I did a USA Apple Store to USA Dell Store Online comparison. It doesn't get more level than that.
Know how computers work? You must be kidding. I'm pretty damn sure I know more about what makes a computer work than you probably do. I was building my own system and programming EPROMS to create custom logicquite possibly before you were even bornso don't go there. And citing individual item specs is more dead than megahertz myth. A balanced system produces the best performance. It does you no good to (using an auto analogy) drop tie together a Lotus suspension with a Ferrari engine only to put in a Pinto drive train. And those unbalanced cheap systems are just that. And don't go into how Dells are good machines when we, here in Austin, know them to be crap (and thats from the guys that assemble them and support them).
Toshibaah there's a name from the history books. There was a day when a Toshiba laptop was *the* laptop to get. But, as I said, that was history. One of these days, you may actually learn enough to realize that a well performing system is more than just a sum of it spec sheet stats.
Links:
www.dell.com
www.apple.com
Jeesh, how dense are you.
I've heard the market share argument for years and it still doesn't add up. While there are fewer Macs, virtually all of them have been running without any type of malware protection. Add to that Mac aficionados have been rubbing the virus writers nose in the fact that not one successful virus has been released into the wild on the Mac platform all this time. Millions and millions of unprotected Macs to use as bots and not a single successful virus. Not to mention that according to some of the posters on this forum, Mac buyers are people with lots of money and no sense so they obviously wouldn't know what to do if they did get a virus and still no one is successful in attacking the user base. Come on. Please try a new one.
As to the iOS devices, there are more of them out there than there are Android devices and they are a far more consistent hardware platform. Yet, where have all the successful malware attacks beenAndroid platform.
What attack is happening on the App Store? I have seen nothing in the news or the net to indicate that there is an attack ongoing against the App Store. Link please.
Why did you run to JBHIFI for a price comparison? For the price you are throwing around for a MacBook, you get a MacBook Pro and the MacBook starts at $999. And the little performance performance increase you may have gotten out of your i3 is ruined because of the large clock difference between the faster Mac's and your sample Dell and the fact that yours has Intel integrated graphics and not a discrete Nvidia processor like the MacBook. I did notice that you cited the MacBook's video using shared memory, but you somehow neglected to add that to the Dell rig. As to the warranty, it better be a good one with the Dell, you are going to need it. BTWI'm in Austin. You should hear how the folks that design and build those rigs talk about them. You really should have picked a company with a better shot at quality.
On to the Asus!
Again you go to JBHIFI instead of the Apple site. Why? The base MacBook Pro looks like this:
2.3GHz dual-core
Intel Core i5
4GB 1333MHz
320GB 5400-rpm1
Intel HD Graphics 3000
Built-in battery (7 hours)2
Apple Store On-line US$1199
I'll believe the battery life claim on the Asus when I see it. While there are some non-Apple notebooks getting those numbers, the reviews that I've read say that the vast majority are not. In fact the Apple laptops are among the few actually getting their claims or better. BTWI can't find the model you specify for Asus on the US site so I can do not comparison and confirm/deny your experience.
Moving the goal posts? And they do the same things? Really? I guess you could say that about an Osborne you could throw into this mix, too. BTWwhere is your Asus' Thunderbolt interface? Ah, I see. Still running those legacy interfaces.
As to the links, did you really need to have Apple.com pointed out to you?
Do the math and see. While you are at it. Add up the features you get with each.
Sorry for the attitude you felt. No intended, at least not at you specifically. I am just tired of the kit assemblers taking the superior attitude over people that decide to buy quality gear to get work done. If that is not you, I do apologize. But when you popped off about posting from your XP box, it does have to do with dinosaurs and it set me off. Again, sorry if you felt anger. It was not specifically against you.
I've run through many machine comparisons. Would you mind being more specific for yours? Usually when someone states a laptop with such savings, it is a POS missing many things that the "equivalent" Mac has in it.
And, no, I don't see where you are going. Don't compare a Yugo to a porsche and claim they are both the same because they have four wheels and two doors. Show me your laptop and and I'll you mine (figuratively). In other words, tell me your machine and I'll tell you mine.
Even with that, what works for you will not necessarily work for me and vice versa.
Now, with the exchange rate, I assume that you may have some real issues in pricing. For me, using a USA pricing structure, I've often found that Macs cost the same or less than equivalent kit.
Download? Dude, while the US is behind many places, download speed is not what I'm talking about, since it isn't that slow to begin with – besides I don't sit around waiting for anything to download. As to extra money, I'll put my income against most yours and let's see who has the extra money! :-) I make enough that I value my time more than I do trying to screw around getting museum pieces to work together. I did my hobby days back in the 70's building kit computers like the Altair 8080 and coding them on them in binary. Yes, I'm an old coot. Now I buy and screw with technology to make things happen - not just because I can.
And that nickel and dime stuff you are talking about - again - to each their own. I prefer them to have them test stuff for me so it works. Besides, hundreds of new tested API's and frameworks is not "...[moving] some stuff around in the UI". It is a bunch of work that I've found very useful. Not all of it and not all of it done perfect. But better than the alternatives, for me.
Dude, if you are a nerd, why the hell did you purchase a system built by someone else? Besides, I agree with you on the time to set up Windows. That is why I went Mac. UNIX goodness with time to work on the stuff that I care about. Not assembling a box nor trying to get a linux distro working. I just buy the box and get to work.
BTWI don't build my own cars either. Just buy them and drive.
Certainly Snow Leopard is an upgrade for Leopard – that is no secret. However, it was an important upgrade that provided a lot of the frameworks that allow for the things that we see developers making today. Not sure that that is germane.
Right. But Jobs did say that they were going to work with a standards body to make it available to more devices. However, a year later that has not happened. Make me wonder if it will every happen.
(btwI mispoke and it was pointed out to meso I corrected my position).
To each their own! I prefer my Mac Kit with OS X to Asus with Windows. I'm assuming that you also saved money by downloading a linux distro instead of Windows. I'll add up the hours I saved by not doing that and keep on being happy with my decision.
I stand corrected. Apparently, Apple is working with some standards body to get it approved, but nothing has been released into the wild yet. Until then, just vaporware – or is that vaporlicense.
You do realize that Apple released the code for FaceTime for others to build it into their clients. And you do realize that several important pieces of the new stuff are also made available to third party developers so they can participate, too? Exactly how is releasing code for others to use locking users into a static platform?
You are so right. Apple has no developers writing stuff for their hardware. Ohwaitdidn't they pay over $2B to someone. Oh yes, developers. Where did they come from. Obviously they were not able to attract them.
Purchase Snow Leopard $30.
Purchase Lion $30.
Total $60.
Purchase Windows 7 for about $200+
Yep. Apple is expensive and double dipping. You only have $120+ more in your pockets now than if you went with a Windows upgrade. Maybe more if you upgraded to Vista and then to 7.
Amen for common sense! Bot for your own business place and for your position on the original poster's question. You are the kind of guy I like to have around me in business.
Just say you are incompetent in FMP databases and be done with it. PHP/MySQL if fine. However, the guy obviously has other duties and it not an actual full time IT guy. He just wants to be able to do more with the tools he has. He is not asking if he can pick up another career as a SQL expert. FMP can do an awful lot for a businessif they have a business that can benefit from a custom database or one of the pre-built solutions. It will never replace MySQL or Oracle, but it is probably fine for a 12-person office. Problem is, we don't know what business he is in so we don't know for sure if it will work for him.
You mean 10% and 15% plus whatever expenses they incur. And, their clients cover all the other costs of their business ventures. Bet when you add all those things up that you come up with a 30% or more of total revenue going out the door.
It is a Federal court and not subject to the State of Texas rules on loser pays.