Isn't this like letting a child molester choose their punishment after getting caught?
"Uh, I would like to be sentenced to 1,000 hours of community service supervising fatherless pre-teen boys after school under the supervision of Michael Jackson?"
Shouldn't the injured parties in this monopoly case decide what the punishment should be with judicial review. So far, all the remedies placed in front of the public seem to be a win-win for Microsoft. No punishment what-so-ever.
As a Mac User, I think Connectix might need to rethink their future if they are going to be a tool of Microsoft. How are they going to sell Mac software if they enable Microsoft to bulldoze its way through this monopoly case and the future of computing. Once Microsoft has gotten what they need, Connectix will be toast. Look at all those "Drive Doubler" companies from early 90s that were in Microsoft's court.
No doubt. Every other day there is a story that was duplicated. Its really too bad. I am sure that running Slashdot as long as Taco and Hemos have, they have become bored. I am bet they feel very let down that they sold their baby to VA Research->VA Linux->VA Software (VA Slashdot next?). Victims of the dot bomb.
Oh well, I now have taken to reading the Trolls. They are getting more creative everyday.
That Microsoft says in the trial that open source packages such as Linux, BSD, Apache, Sendmail and Perl are proof that it has no monopoly in the software industry. However if there is injury to the industry found by the Justice Dept. and the courts in the Microsoft case, that these open source products are not considered injured by that monopoly.
Is this legal FUD practiced by both sides of this case?
My solution? Require Microsoft to develop its own technology without outside help for 5 years. They can't acquire technology, buy companies or lease patents. See how long they last...
I went through the posts and looked the moderation on this article. It appears that Slashdot is being Moderation Astroturfed by the management of VA Software. Any thread that feels that LNUX stock is a poor performer, disagrees with VA's business plan or considers the name change another bad idea have been moderated to Troll and Flamebait. Illustrated greatly by the thread discussing the 99% drop in price being labeled as Flamebait -- as if facts are flames.
I am sure in a couple of months this article will be referenced by many when VA finally does go belly up. Its sad to see Slashdot sell out so much to their corporate master in the hopes that they actually might be able to ride out their options.
I am not angry. I would never invest my money in a company that is selling a free product. I also don't invest in any business in the Internet industry. Though I do have a substantial (for me at least) investment in Apple which has always been good for me.
I didnt see your other post before I replied -- might have been before you wrote it. I have just seen so much astroturfing lately to save stupid business plans.
If I show anger, it is because I have watched too many people get burned in the market trying to tie their CPU/Software activism into profits. When it fails, I think it hurts the movement.
How can the parent of this post be listed as "Flamebait"? Unless Moderation has been passed on to the board of VA Software or to major stock holders in VA Whatever, this has to be moderation gone astray. Thank god for meta moderation.
I assume you are a major share owner from the beginning wishing upon a star that your activism would turn into profits. Sorry, but your post is misleading at best. You make it look like LNUX is actually doing well. Any stock that has lost over $200 per share is not doing well no matter how you spin it.
This post also shows how clueless moderators are. Thank god for Meta Moderation. This is anti-informative because it gives the complete opposite situation of the LNUX stock.
Was looking at it from start to now. So far it has only lost $200+ per share. Also try comparing it to the NASDAQ, S&P and DOW over the last two years. Pretty pathetic.
If I were Linus I would have sued VA for tarnishing the Linux name.:)
With the stock chart looking a like a hockey stick (blade down), I assume with name change and the focus on the concept of trying to sell free software and CVS on steroids will make it flatline. Cmdr Taco & Hemos, I really hope you got some cash in the deal to sell Slashdot because that LNUX stock is about to be nothing more than toliet paper with a rougher grain.
Guess that pretty nails down that "global warming" is due to the effects the Sun has on planets while going through its different cycles of energy release rather than a bunch of politicians that disagree with the pop culture environmental movement. I am just so shocked that the noted global warming scientists Sting, Drew Barrymore and Ted Danson completely missed this fact.
Scenario: Permanent Resident decides to quit milking America's freedom without the responsibility. Permanent Resident decides to go through the naturalization process. Now not a Permanent Resident, US Citizen no longer fears vindictive neighbor and sues the sh*t out of them.
Glad you want to join the nation that kicked your's in the butt 200 some odd years ago.:P
Seriously, right now you are a guest in our country but I am impressed by your knowledge of our legal system -- most US cititzens are clueless. You are right, you do not currently have the same rights as I do until you become naturalized. I'm not trying to be mean or say you are less than a human being. You are a servant of the Queen and not a freeman like us Yanks, yet. Just because we afford you some of the rights that a US citizen has doesn't mean you have a right to all of them. The whole taxation without representation deals with US Citizens, once you become naturalized, you can be represented. Right now you are being represented by those wacky Royals.
As for your free speech rights in the US, it is perfectly acceptable for the US Government to kick you out of the country if you verbally threaten it on our soil. However, I can and if I do, I am most likely to be offered a tenure at a liberal university.
P.S. You were a cop in the US Military? Doesn't that automatically afford you US Citizenship if you denouce (if that is the right word) your previous citizenship?
So for you, reasonable measures include the ability to secretly arrest someone, be they domestic or foreign, bring them to a secret military tribunal, have two out of three officers - using evidence being kept a secret from the accused - decide to secretly execute the person, all supported by the weight of the law? Because that is what these laws allow.
They can arrest any foreigner for terrorism and bring them to a secret military tribunal during this time of war in my opinion. Secret evidence is fine. I don't want my country's security to be threatened by dangerous evidence being released to the general population of terrorists. Do you believe that we should be forced to read Usama the Miranda rights when we capture him? Make sure he gets to call Johnny Cochrane right after we "book him"?
If they are an American citizen, I want them to be tried in the US Justice System like that idiot US Citizen that joined the Taleban and got caught recently. Read his/her miranda rights, indict by a grand jury and given a trial by his/her peers. Then we hook them up to drug pumps for their big nap into eternity.
I don't consider eliminating those that harm you, your family or your country as evil or a wrong but an absolute right. The Bible, if you read it, is filled with vengence by God and his people.
I hear the "eye for an eye" leaves everyone blind argument a lot. It sound nice and cute but I would rather be blind than dead...
It is not right to compromise the civil liberties of foreign nationals just because they're not citizens. I live in New York City too, bub, and if that's the kind of stuff that makes you feel safe, you've got some therapy to do.
Foreign nationals have no rights under our Constitution. It is the sole protector of US citizens. Just ask anyone that is not a US Citizen to go to Texas and try to buy a gun legally. It ain't gonna happen. They have no 2nd Amendment rights. Because at times we have provided those Constitutional protections to foreign nationals does not mean they have an automatic right to them. It is our national compassionate soul that allowed that to occur. As for me needing therapy, I am not the paranoid in this conversation thinking that the US Government (a Government by the people for the people) is nothing more than the Nazi Party in earth tones just waiting to strip us of our rights, one by one. If you believe that, I would hate to think what other X-Files like paranoia episodes you have.
The trouble is this. When people speak of security, it can mean two things:
1. Feeling secure
2. Actually being secure
Guess what, we have been given your item #2. I feel more secure and I know I am more secure. Notice that nothing else in three months has gone "Ka-boom". I doubt it will in the near future. The only way the American Government is going to make me feel secure is by doing something not just talking about it. You are thinking that anyone wanting security and safety is a bleeting sheep. That is not the case. I know I have more safety now (F-16s over my head right now) without losing any freedoms. I am no less free today than I was on 9-10-01.
this is philosophica, but why should the court system IN the US differenciate between citizens and non citizens? If you want to be fair you have to tread ALL people equal in front of the court.
Why do I have to be fair with an enemy that just killed 4,000+ of my fellow citizens? We are at war (I wish Congress would actually pass the act) and we should treat our enemy like we are in that mode. We are compassionate enough to even think about having a military trial for them. I consider them lucky to get even that.
ow they do. And it would likewise make me feel more comfortable if the government would lock up great numbers of people that make me nervous, without any particular evidence, and with restricted or no access to legal counsel.
Typical Chicken Little Civil Libertarian response. Take reasonable measures expressed by the President, both sides of Congress and the AG and blow them out of proportion in a civil rights meltdown. We are talking about foreign terrorists not domestic liberal fruitcakes. If you are not a US Citizen, you are not afforded the rights guaranteed by it. These laws are focused at getting the foreign enemy within than domestic, hate America first, verbal bomb throwers. Even so, none of these laws passed by the Government is going to prevent you from calling President Bush "Chimpy" or tell your friends that John Ashcroft is a "Big Poo-Poo head". It didn't even stop you from replying to me saying I am a little nervous twit bent on having my freedom stripped away for a little safety. Just to note, I am/was not nervous just very uncomfortable after the situation. Having an active government bent on getting to the bottom of the situation was the comfort I received.
As long as you are not in the habit of causing physical terror to those around you, I don't see how you feel restricted. I don't know why you think the Bill of Rights was not supposed to provide comfort. I am always comfortable knowing I have the Constitutional Right to own a double barreled 12 gauge shotgun.
Missed the point. There are "Civil Rights ADvocates" that say that not non-US citizens should have the same rights as Americans in the view of the court system. I am arguing if that is the case, the chinese students should have had the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. They don't just like the terrorists.
Do a majority of open source software users actually pay attention to the licenses of the software packages they utilize? I use a lot of GPL applications yet I have never really sat down an actually read the entire GPL. However, I do understand that if I do violate the GPL, I have to put up with Richard Stallman breathing down my neck. Not appealing idea! Am I alone in a crowd? Does everyone read the software license?
Despite the flowering of individual voices on the Net, we live in an arguably less democratic culture than we did a decade ago, even before Attorney General Ashcroft's sweeping actions.
You just had to get a swipe at the AG in there, eh? All this digital hand wringing about the High Lord of Evil, John Ashcroft, is really stupid. I live about 1/2 mile north of what was the World Trade Center. I lived through military checkpoints and police blockades for 2 weeks to get into my apartment. Outside those that lost loved ones, were injured by the attacks or lost jobs, I have had a lot to put up with to get my life back together the way it was before 9/11. None of the barriers were created by AG John Ashcroft. His actions have actually made me feel more comfortable about my situation.
But then I have to listen to the Chicken Little's of the Civil Liberties gang. The group of "well meaning, good intentioned" Americans that only believe that effective policing can occur when the "Cops" are handcuffed and blindfolded. You got to love their arrogance when they proclaim that non-US citizens are guaranteedprotection of our Constitution even though they never lived in the US. I am sure that would be a shock to those folks living in China that were run over by tanks 12 years ago.
The amazing thing at the end of the day, no matter what Ashcroft w/ Congress has done, I feel no loss in liberty. No evil corporation is holding me down. Jack booted thugs haven't beat down my door or surrounded my place of worship with tanks and set it on fire. I have no fear to speak my mind. And to prove it, I am going to say the most controversial thing I can imagine, "John Katz is an insightful, intelligent, fully informed writer focusing on the issues that matter to citizens of Cyberspace and his witty commentary is a favorite of all Slashdot readers." It might not be true but I have no fear in saying it. Just like Jon Katz, I have the Constitutional Right to be full of sh*t and spout it out to the masses. Don't worry Jon the High Lord of Evil, John Ashcroft, is not going to gag you no matter how bad your writing is.
P.S. Jon if you are talking about the US, I need to remind you that we are not a democracy, we are a constitutional republic. If we were a democracy, evil would reign via the power of the ballot box -- majority gets to force the minority to do anything it wants.
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"Uh, I would like to be sentenced to 1,000 hours of community service supervising fatherless pre-teen boys after school under the supervision of Michael Jackson?"
Shouldn't the injured parties in this monopoly case decide what the punishment should be with judicial review. So far, all the remedies placed in front of the public seem to be a win-win for Microsoft. No punishment what-so-ever.
As a Mac User, I think Connectix might need to rethink their future if they are going to be a tool of Microsoft. How are they going to sell Mac software if they enable Microsoft to bulldoze its way through this monopoly case and the future of computing. Once Microsoft has gotten what they need, Connectix will be toast. Look at all those "Drive Doubler" companies from early 90s that were in Microsoft's court.
Oh well, I now have taken to reading the Trolls. They are getting more creative everyday.
Is this legal FUD practiced by both sides of this case?
My solution? Require Microsoft to develop its own technology without outside help for 5 years. They can't acquire technology, buy companies or lease patents. See how long they last...
I wouldn't know, my Squid setup kills any http reference to a directory named '/banner/'.
Flames are never out of line on the Slashdot! :)
I am sure in a couple of months this article will be referenced by many when VA finally does go belly up. Its sad to see Slashdot sell out so much to their corporate master in the hopes that they actually might be able to ride out their options.
I didnt see your other post before I replied -- might have been before you wrote it. I have just seen so much astroturfing lately to save stupid business plans.
If I show anger, it is because I have watched too many people get burned in the market trying to tie their CPU/Software activism into profits. When it fails, I think it hurts the movement.
How can the parent of this post be listed as "Flamebait"? Unless Moderation has been passed on to the board of VA Software or to major stock holders in VA Whatever, this has to be moderation gone astray. Thank god for meta moderation.
This post also shows how clueless moderators are. Thank god for Meta Moderation. This is anti-informative because it gives the complete opposite situation of the LNUX stock.
Did I really type "stocker symbol"? Damn dyslexia, lack of sleep and no coffee blows.
VA Software announces new ticker symbol: CRAP
If I were Linus I would have sued VA for tarnishing the Linux name. :)
With the stock chart looking a like a hockey stick (blade down), I assume with name change and the focus on the concept of trying to sell free software and CVS on steroids will make it flatline. Cmdr Taco & Hemos, I really hope you got some cash in the deal to sell Slashdot because that LNUX stock is about to be nothing more than toliet paper with a rougher grain.
Guess that pretty nails down that "global warming" is due to the effects the Sun has on planets while going through its different cycles of energy release rather than a bunch of politicians that disagree with the pop culture environmental movement. I am just so shocked that the noted global warming scientists Sting, Drew Barrymore and Ted Danson completely missed this fact.
Scenario: Permanent Resident decides to quit milking America's freedom without the responsibility. Permanent Resident decides to go through the naturalization process. Now not a Permanent Resident, US Citizen no longer fears vindictive neighbor and sues the sh*t out of them.
Seriously, right now you are a guest in our country but I am impressed by your knowledge of our legal system -- most US cititzens are clueless. You are right, you do not currently have the same rights as I do until you become naturalized. I'm not trying to be mean or say you are less than a human being. You are a servant of the Queen and not a freeman like us Yanks, yet. Just because we afford you some of the rights that a US citizen has doesn't mean you have a right to all of them. The whole taxation without representation deals with US Citizens, once you become naturalized, you can be represented. Right now you are being represented by those wacky Royals.
As for your free speech rights in the US, it is perfectly acceptable for the US Government to kick you out of the country if you verbally threaten it on our soil. However, I can and if I do, I am most likely to be offered a tenure at a liberal university.
P.S. You were a cop in the US Military? Doesn't that automatically afford you US Citizenship if you denouce (if that is the right word) your previous citizenship?
They can arrest any foreigner for terrorism and bring them to a secret military tribunal during this time of war in my opinion. Secret evidence is fine. I don't want my country's security to be threatened by dangerous evidence being released to the general population of terrorists. Do you believe that we should be forced to read Usama the Miranda rights when we capture him? Make sure he gets to call Johnny Cochrane right after we "book him"?
If they are an American citizen, I want them to be tried in the US Justice System like that idiot US Citizen that joined the Taleban and got caught recently. Read his/her miranda rights, indict by a grand jury and given a trial by his/her peers. Then we hook them up to drug pumps for their big nap into eternity.
I hear the "eye for an eye" leaves everyone blind argument a lot. It sound nice and cute but I would rather be blind than dead...
Foreign nationals have no rights under our Constitution. It is the sole protector of US citizens. Just ask anyone that is not a US Citizen to go to Texas and try to buy a gun legally. It ain't gonna happen. They have no 2nd Amendment rights. Because at times we have provided those Constitutional protections to foreign nationals does not mean they have an automatic right to them. It is our national compassionate soul that allowed that to occur. As for me needing therapy, I am not the paranoid in this conversation thinking that the US Government (a Government by the people for the people) is nothing more than the Nazi Party in earth tones just waiting to strip us of our rights, one by one. If you believe that, I would hate to think what other X-Files like paranoia episodes you have.
Remember tinfoil is for cooking not haberdashery.
Guess what, we have been given your item #2. I feel more secure and I know I am more secure. Notice that nothing else in three months has gone "Ka-boom". I doubt it will in the near future. The only way the American Government is going to make me feel secure is by doing something not just talking about it. You are thinking that anyone wanting security and safety is a bleeting sheep. That is not the case. I know I have more safety now (F-16s over my head right now) without losing any freedoms. I am no less free today than I was on 9-10-01.
Why do I have to be fair with an enemy that just killed 4,000+ of my fellow citizens? We are at war (I wish Congress would actually pass the act) and we should treat our enemy like we are in that mode. We are compassionate enough to even think about having a military trial for them. I consider them lucky to get even that.
Typical Chicken Little Civil Libertarian response. Take reasonable measures expressed by the President, both sides of Congress and the AG and blow them out of proportion in a civil rights meltdown. We are talking about foreign terrorists not domestic liberal fruitcakes. If you are not a US Citizen, you are not afforded the rights guaranteed by it. These laws are focused at getting the foreign enemy within than domestic, hate America first, verbal bomb throwers. Even so, none of these laws passed by the Government is going to prevent you from calling President Bush "Chimpy" or tell your friends that John Ashcroft is a "Big Poo-Poo head". It didn't even stop you from replying to me saying I am a little nervous twit bent on having my freedom stripped away for a little safety. Just to note, I am/was not nervous just very uncomfortable after the situation. Having an active government bent on getting to the bottom of the situation was the comfort I received.
As long as you are not in the habit of causing physical terror to those around you, I don't see how you feel restricted. I don't know why you think the Bill of Rights was not supposed to provide comfort. I am always comfortable knowing I have the Constitutional Right to own a double barreled 12 gauge shotgun.
Missed the point. There are "Civil Rights ADvocates" that say that not non-US citizens should have the same rights as Americans in the view of the court system. I am arguing if that is the case, the chinese students should have had the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. They don't just like the terrorists.
Do a majority of open source software users actually pay attention to the licenses of the software packages they utilize? I use a lot of GPL applications yet I have never really sat down an actually read the entire GPL. However, I do understand that if I do violate the GPL, I have to put up with Richard Stallman breathing down my neck. Not appealing idea! Am I alone in a crowd? Does everyone read the software license?
You just had to get a swipe at the AG in there, eh? All this digital hand wringing about the High Lord of Evil, John Ashcroft, is really stupid. I live about 1/2 mile north of what was the World Trade Center. I lived through military checkpoints and police blockades for 2 weeks to get into my apartment. Outside those that lost loved ones, were injured by the attacks or lost jobs, I have had a lot to put up with to get my life back together the way it was before 9/11. None of the barriers were created by AG John Ashcroft. His actions have actually made me feel more comfortable about my situation.
But then I have to listen to the Chicken Little's of the Civil Liberties gang. The group of "well meaning, good intentioned" Americans that only believe that effective policing can occur when the "Cops" are handcuffed and blindfolded. You got to love their arrogance when they proclaim that non-US citizens are guaranteedprotection of our Constitution even though they never lived in the US. I am sure that would be a shock to those folks living in China that were run over by tanks 12 years ago.
The amazing thing at the end of the day, no matter what Ashcroft w/ Congress has done, I feel no loss in liberty. No evil corporation is holding me down. Jack booted thugs haven't beat down my door or surrounded my place of worship with tanks and set it on fire. I have no fear to speak my mind. And to prove it, I am going to say the most controversial thing I can imagine, "John Katz is an insightful, intelligent, fully informed writer focusing on the issues that matter to citizens of Cyberspace and his witty commentary is a favorite of all Slashdot readers." It might not be true but I have no fear in saying it. Just like Jon Katz, I have the Constitutional Right to be full of sh*t and spout it out to the masses. Don't worry Jon the High Lord of Evil, John Ashcroft, is not going to gag you no matter how bad your writing is.
P.S. Jon if you are talking about the US, I need to remind you that we are not a democracy, we are a constitutional republic. If we were a democracy, evil would reign via the power of the ballot box -- majority gets to force the minority to do anything it wants.