Why abandon, the open and widely deployed GNOME / gtk+ base for this corporately controlled Qt crud ?
Because GTK+/Gnome proved to be shite, very few applications were written for Maemo as a result and it couldn't do all the cool stuff they wanted to compete with Android and the iPhone.
You would have a point had it been done for technical reasons. And had you known what you were going on about. Maemo was never based on clutter, it predated clutter by several years and the hardware it ships on lacks 3d acceleration.
He does know what he's talking about. He specifically said Maemo and Moblin, and Moblin does use Clutter.
The current shipping product is GTK based and everyone had already been warned of a rip and replace of most of the guts to go to Qt for the next version. Why? Because Nokia went out and bought Trolltech thats why, and ya gotta eat the house brand of dogfood. Now before they can even ship a beta more corporate politics...
You'd probably like think it was corporate politcs, but:
Maemo is pretty much dead if you ask me, managed into oblivion. Moblin was already a dead horse, being tied too closely to both the x86 anchor and being a research toy OS watching Android come storming onto the scene sucking all the PR buzz up.
Because Maemo is so far behind the technological curve when compared with Android and the iPhone it isn't funny. Technologically, from a maintenance and future development point of view, Maemo as it was, based on GTK, as a total dead-end that would have taken years to get into shape - if ever. Maemo was never something Nokia could ship on awider basis, and Moblin went down the same road.
...but most 3rd party developers just want to release an app and get onto the next one or adding cool new features for a new version, not just keep rewriting and debugging the same one for an ever changing OS.
The sooner this change is done the sooner people can get on with writing applications - which never materialised with Maemo as it was.
KDE users defend it by saying "well you just aren't configuring it right."
Uh huh. I don't know anyone who has said that anywhere in response to any of the quite meaningless crap that gets thrown.
Since there is no consensus on what is the best configuration we need an objective test of this supposed flexibility.
So provide one as opposed to a bunch of rather crappy third, fourth or fifth hand comments. Gnome just doesn't have the aesthetics or functionality anywhere close to Windows or OS X, which have a great deal more configuration to them possible incidentally, and that's what KDE has to compete against - not Gnome.
So I challenge any KDE user to configure KDE to give exactly the same user experience as Gnome.
Well, that will be hard since Gnome doesn't have the functionality of OS X, Windows or KDE, and users of those desktop environment simply don't care about having a minimalist environment that hides a multitude of sins.
If you show Gnome, KDE, Windows, Mac OS to any graphic designer, they will immediately pick out KDE as the ugly one. Why? There is no consistent color scheme, every app uses multiple different font sizes, and there is much too much stuff crammed into every window and toolbar.
ROTFL. Errrrrrrrr, no. Technologically, KDE applications get their theme, colour scheme and layout from a central point and a central set of settings - as do real desktops like Windows and OS X. Examples would be nice, but yet again, no one can provide them. Fake desktops pretend by trying to enforce that in a HIG or something for all applications, and all applications diverge in one way or another no matter how hard people try. I've lost count of the number of dialogues and applications that diverge completely from the instant-apply 'standard' config to OK/Cancel buttons. Even some Gnome control panel applets have done this.
Taking that into account though, when you have applications and this thing called functionality, divergences happen. It's why OS X strikingly different styles to many applications, why applications like Office are unlike anything else in Windows and there are at least three distinct looks in there for many applications. However, users pick application functionality and the ability of their desktop and applications to do something over an Anonymous Coward's definition of ugliness every time.
Now it's obvious that QT will evolve for Mobile devices. And GTK will evolve to be a solid Desktop toolkit for Linux.
Well, Qt (it's Qt by the way) has been available for mobile devices for years and it already is a solid desktop toolkit for Linux. The added development, interest and perhaps new applications and functionality from the mobile direction will be most welcome. I know a lot of people like to crow about the 'Linux desktop', but there has been nothing whatsoever happening on that front for Gnome or KDE for years, despite the hype, so perhaps it can be nudged forwards from another direction?
When maemo project started GTK had lost lots of blood because Nokia contribution had no visible benefit to desktop users.
I don't know why some people have that perception. Nokia contributed sparingly to GTK, and only in areas that they thought would benefit Maemo. They didn't exactly suck the life out of GTK because GTK has suffered from well known manpower shortages for years. Gnome 3 will almost certainly happen with GTK 3 being barely a glimmer on the horizon, or GTK 3 will be released with minimal changes on the 2.x line. Certainly, Nokia thought that GTK needed an overhaul for Maemo that they weren't willing to fund themselves, hence their change of tac for Maemo.
That affected GNOME very much. Now I think KDE will suffer this mobile-movement of QT.
Really? I don't see how. Qt has been available on mobile platforms for years and it certainly doesn't seem to have affected KDE in anything other than a positive way (they've got a major new version of their desktop out with it) or the manpower and resources Nokia have been able to put into Qt. Gnome Mobile and Maemo has had very, very little affect (certainly not negative) on the rest of Gnome - apart from the fact that Gnome Mobile has been an utter failure both technologically (where is it?) and PR-wise and rather an embarrassment.
I think it's more of a case of cutting down on maintenance and reducing fragmentation. You could potentially run Moblin or any piece of software that runs on Linux on Arm by recompiling anyway, so it makes very little difference.
I was playing out with Qt and Qt Creator recently and the framework is very accessible and cross-platform, while GTK+ is somewhat more of a hassle to port.
Unfortunately, GTK is a huge panopoly of multiple dependencies that simply haven't got easier to package up over the years, and in many ways have got worse. It's cross-platform support is also pretty terrible as a result, especially when it comes to Windows and Mac but for embedded devices I would imagine the pain and maintenance would be worse. Sad, but true unfortunately.
I want a desktop that works on installation, not one where I have to tweak around for two weeks to get it do something. Also the options that pop up everywhere, the atrocious control panel and several other things are just horrible.
I just wonder why people post third, fourth or fifth hand 'information' from people who know very little as fact. That's like saying you can't do anything with Windows for two weeks because you have to install Office, a DVD player and a dozen other things............and you don't have to do those things with your average Linux distribution these days, apart from the DVD stuff, but there are ways and means. No one has any trouble sitting down to a KDE desktop and starting work. Perhaps you can enlighten us all?
Also when tweaked right (with some compiz magic) I can improve my application interaction productivity very much (application switching mapping to mouse, multiple desktop control with mouse, etc.) that are just not there in an evident way in KDE.
Well, Kwin provides a lot of options for stuff like that, but..........what I find amusing is that you're having a go at KDE because you think it takes you two weeks to configure things and you're then switching the whole thing around in the very next paragraph because KDE doesn't provide the configuration you want? Uh huh.
Never mind the fact that it still looks ugly and very clumsy.
Uh, huh. Alas, repeating something does not make it true I'm afraid. If you put KDE nest to Gnome, and next to the serious proprietary competitors like Vista, 7 and OS X, then you can only see one open source desktop competitor on the ugliness front. You might find things ugly as do others, but the aesthetics of desktop environments are moving on regardless.
You know what helps you sound informed and intelligent? Reading the article. You know what makes you sound, well, silly? Not reading the article. Here's a clue to spark your interest: it isn't the card readers that are performing the man in the middle, it is the person in possession of the card performing the attack against a standard card reader.
Errrrrrrrrrrrrr, yes, it is a MITM attack I'm describing, and no, the one in the article is not the only one at all which has happened against Chip and Pin, which is what I'm describing - bright fucking spark......not. Ergo, meaning it's nothing new. Trying popping the brain into gear and having a look at what people are saying rather than trying to appear clever. You'll get on better.
I know, the verbing pisses me off. The last time I cringed was at the Olympics when someone has supposedly 'medalled' - meaning that had got a medal. Urgghhhhhhhh.
But I'm getting a little scared of Google.....To many fingers in to many pies. We are meant to use a Google Thin Client, to access Google Services, over Google Fibre....
While we're right to be vigilant, the basic problem is that ISPs and quite a lot of other internet companies are frankly.......shite. Here in the UK all the larger and cheaper ISPs are absolute crap, clearly don't have the technical expertise to make things work and if you move to a competent medium or small supplier they don't have the scale to continue and end up getting bought by said crap bigger suppliers. I would be happy just to see them go out of business, even at the risk of a bit of a monopoly because the current situation is absolute crap and will improve at a snail's pace with no one willing to put in the investment.
What Google is proposing to do here is huge and will move things on so much further and enable so many things that I'd be willing to buy into it. It means that with good, reliable bandwidth you could host many things yourself that it would be an expensive recurring cost to do with external suppliers (interestingly, it could seriously blunt Amazon and cloud computing because bandwidth is the killer), decent off-site backup and mirroring becomes feasible for businesses themselves and it should provide the kick needed for IPv6 to take off. It's up to others to respond.
This has been known for years. The machines and man-in-the-middle attacks are obvious, simply because you cannot verify the authenticity of any machine that you stick your card into and type your PIN. You have no clue that any one of them is doing what you think it should be doing. ATM machines are bad enough, but at least there is some sort of trust over the fact they are at a fixed point and there is some form of physical security around them. With chip and pin machines all you have is utterly blind faith that you have no choice but to accept, and then you get blamed for being insecure by the banks when the inevitable happens.
What have we heard about this in the mainstream press and media? Nothing. People, and those with a vested interest, obviously just want to deny that it can happen.
Well, I haven't seen anyone else get that and I haven't personally either. I've used Dolphin for all manner of file management operations. It's the easiest thing in the world to say 'it crashes', which is why I just roll my eyes at anyone who cannot say how, what, where and why and how to do it again.
Well, after my experiences with other such services - DRM attempts that just slow things down and stop it working or Silverlight with SkyTV in the UK (which is OK but isn't any better than showing video through Flash) - if YouTube and Google can be sensible about that not working then I'd happily pay some money to watch a film occasionally for convenience.
My spending on DVDs will still be higher, but if they get it right then I would happily pay to watch a film online for the first time ever - if they get it right that is.
1. Latch on to terrorism like a limpet.
2. Patent method relating to supposedly fighting said terrorism.
3. ???
4. Profit!
It sounds like a useless system with a ton of false positives possible whilst the people who should be under suspicion get away. The dodgy people with something to hide learnt how to defeat this kind of system long ago, and it'll be even worse with an automated system with little to new human intervention (bad idea for this sort of thing by the way). You just stay relaxed and look bored.
Any other questions? At the very least the applications are non-portable in the sense that they were depending on behavior not guaranteed by POSIX.
The code written in those applications has been around for years, so stop trying to blame that for a problem that only materialised recently (although the 'problem' shouldn't be new to anyone really). A filesystem blaming userspace for certain things happening and hiding behind POSIX for well known behaviour and code that should be well tested first is one of the most retarded, and worrying, things I have ever heard. Userspace is not going to be 'fixed' in this regard for reasons which should be damn obvious. No, we're not all going to switch to sqlite. Yes, small reads and writes are part and parcel of a great many applications, and will be for years to come. Granted, XFS has historically had more of a problem in this area than other filesystems but at least they have a well tested implementation that is years ahead of ext4 - not that the approach isn't more 'risque'.
It just wiffs of some backside covering, that's all. In any case 'XFS does it too!' isn't much of a defence, especially given the use cases of the ext* line of filesystems and that it is expected to be a ext2/3 replacement.
It misses the point of the magical cloud! If the phbs learn that the magical cloud can run out of capacity, then they might have to start planning again.
People have actually planned deployment? Not on the planet Earth that I'm living on they haven't.
for one, replication and startup of machines takes at best log(n) time
Errrrrrrrrrr, yer. However, simply restarting a server image is infinitely preferable to hanging around for a few hours while you bite your nails waiting for a hoster to fix something. Been through it. Not going back.
(if your web application requires less than at least a rack in a datacenter there is actually no sense in having it clouded)
So you're saying if anything takes less than a rack to host then there is no point in having it hosted for you............anywhere?!
I have no idea why people think that 'cloud' computing is any different to traditional hosting. You have all the same considerations when on EC2, Joyent or anywhere else as you do if you were getting a hosting company to specifically buy hardware and set things up for you - except many things on EC2 or such a platform are standardised and you can manage a great deal through software without hanging around for someone to schedule a time to do 'something'. Maybe that's what some people don't like?;-)
You can always tell someone doesn't know what they are talking about when they price up hardware and say memory is 'dirt cheap' and then say that something like EC2 is too expensive. I see it a lot in those scrawny developers around the web who don't want to do any deployment (and want to pretend it doesn't even exist) and want something like EC2 and Engine Yard but for the cost that they were paying for shared hosting - where they complained that they were running out of resources!
Purchasing hardware implies a lof of other costs - where you will host it, how you will connect it, how you will back it up........ Going a traditional hosting route for this is ridiculously expensive. You need to rent the hardware, you need to communicate with the hosting company about setting up, you don't know how it will be set up (at least things are standardised with EC2), how you will handle failover (buy more hardware!) and how you will back it up (buy more hardware and storage!). Can you snapshot your data easily? Can you simply fire up a copy of your server to get running again or do testing? How will you recover from a hardware failure or a disaster where you don't hear from your hosting company for several hours while everyone bites their finger nails? It's why every other hosting company is either denying that EC2 is happening, trying to trash-talk it or trying to come up with their own 'cloud' virtualised, decentralised storage platform with some kind of software management tool........and generally failing at it. They will either respond to it or they will die.
RAM prices are dirt cheap and at current prices a 36GB RAM HP Proliant DL 380 G6 will run around $13,000 and 72GB of RAM another $2000. and that includes 5 year 4 hour response time support
Excuse me while I get up off the floor from laughing. What kind of 'support' do you think you get for that and how useful do you think it is? That supports is for ASPs and hosters. For the rest of us, deploying something means several layers of support on top of that for the hardware.
Trust me - every other hosting company has scaling, infrastructure and bandwidth issues. I've been through it. My experience with EC2 in my somewhat limited comparative forays thus far have been infinitely preferable.
i buy an HP server i buy one machine and a few hard drives. to support me Amazon needs to buy a few servers and 5 times the raw space for DR purposes.
Yer, probably because you don't back anything up and you haven't had to handle recovery from a disaster. Pffffffffffffffff............... We can see who the average Slahsdot reader is when this gets modded up with this level of grammar.
I just hope Ted T'so hasn't been cooking the ext4 benchmarks again by making data notoriously less safe with a lot of retarded default settings. With data integrity restored ext4 should perform on a par with ext3, but should do far better in filesystem in hundreds of gigabytes or many terabytes. XFS has reigned there for many years so I take the article with a pinch of salt.
I'm getting fed up to the back teeth with this guy. He must have got himself into some mental issues he can't get out of. He had a dual licensed database server in MySQL that brought in good money and had a side-effect of making it the standard database as the web expanded, which he then sold to Sun for a very tidy sum and he still now expects to be able to control MySQL's future?
Before Sun bought MySQL Sun was heavily involved with Postgres (still is in many ways) and they could have quite easily tried to take that project over as opposed to buying MySQL. They didn't, and they would have found that very difficult because there are a lot of different interests in Postgres now.
It's only been dead because the whole thing was totally mismanaged for the best part of a decade, and those in charge of it got themselves into what can only be described as a mental illness. It's far easier to promise that a game will blow away everything else if you don't deliver it, and given that DN pre-dated games like Quake and an age where 3D games were developing fast I can sort of understand it, if not forgive.
The story, plot and characters of the game are still worth quite a bit. There still isn't anything quite like Duke Nukem even after all the FPS games that came after. The question is, can anyone take those up and create an actual game to some sort of plan?
Unfortunately, it seems as if some people can't discern meaning from the English language, and that's just to be expect with some of the people here on Slashdot.
Yes, there is a membership board but it is perfectly reasonable to question who is on that board and what criteria they use or will use. The second statement does that. The two statements you've quoted are not the same thing and the former does not answer the latter. OK, the latter is not great English, but fuck, this is Slashdot and with the amount of articles posted you aren't always going to get a perfect summary.
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She has legs strong enough to use mens' skis as well. Dangerous.
Because GTK+/Gnome proved to be shite, very few applications were written for Maemo as a result and it couldn't do all the cool stuff they wanted to compete with Android and the iPhone.
He does know what he's talking about. He specifically said Maemo and Moblin, and Moblin does use Clutter.
You'd probably like think it was corporate politcs, but:
Because Maemo is so far behind the technological curve when compared with Android and the iPhone it isn't funny. Technologically, from a maintenance and future development point of view, Maemo as it was, based on GTK, as a total dead-end that would have taken years to get into shape - if ever. Maemo was never something Nokia could ship on awider basis, and Moblin went down the same road.
The sooner this change is done the sooner people can get on with writing applications - which never materialised with Maemo as it was.
Uh huh. I don't know anyone who has said that anywhere in response to any of the quite meaningless crap that gets thrown.
So provide one as opposed to a bunch of rather crappy third, fourth or fifth hand comments. Gnome just doesn't have the aesthetics or functionality anywhere close to Windows or OS X, which have a great deal more configuration to them possible incidentally, and that's what KDE has to compete against - not Gnome.
Well, that will be hard since Gnome doesn't have the functionality of OS X, Windows or KDE, and users of those desktop environment simply don't care about having a minimalist environment that hides a multitude of sins.
ROTFL. Errrrrrrrr, no. Technologically, KDE applications get their theme, colour scheme and layout from a central point and a central set of settings - as do real desktops like Windows and OS X. Examples would be nice, but yet again, no one can provide them. Fake desktops pretend by trying to enforce that in a HIG or something for all applications, and all applications diverge in one way or another no matter how hard people try. I've lost count of the number of dialogues and applications that diverge completely from the instant-apply 'standard' config to OK/Cancel buttons. Even some Gnome control panel applets have done this.
Taking that into account though, when you have applications and this thing called functionality, divergences happen. It's why OS X strikingly different styles to many applications, why applications like Office are unlike anything else in Windows and there are at least three distinct looks in there for many applications. However, users pick application functionality and the ability of their desktop and applications to do something over an Anonymous Coward's definition of ugliness every time.
Well, Qt (it's Qt by the way) has been available for mobile devices for years and it already is a solid desktop toolkit for Linux. The added development, interest and perhaps new applications and functionality from the mobile direction will be most welcome. I know a lot of people like to crow about the 'Linux desktop', but there has been nothing whatsoever happening on that front for Gnome or KDE for years, despite the hype, so perhaps it can be nudged forwards from another direction?
I don't know why some people have that perception. Nokia contributed sparingly to GTK, and only in areas that they thought would benefit Maemo. They didn't exactly suck the life out of GTK because GTK has suffered from well known manpower shortages for years. Gnome 3 will almost certainly happen with GTK 3 being barely a glimmer on the horizon, or GTK 3 will be released with minimal changes on the 2.x line. Certainly, Nokia thought that GTK needed an overhaul for Maemo that they weren't willing to fund themselves, hence their change of tac for Maemo.
Really? I don't see how. Qt has been available on mobile platforms for years and it certainly doesn't seem to have affected KDE in anything other than a positive way (they've got a major new version of their desktop out with it) or the manpower and resources Nokia have been able to put into Qt. Gnome Mobile and Maemo has had very, very little affect (certainly not negative) on the rest of Gnome - apart from the fact that Gnome Mobile has been an utter failure both technologically (where is it?) and PR-wise and rather an embarrassment.
I think it's more of a case of cutting down on maintenance and reducing fragmentation. You could potentially run Moblin or any piece of software that runs on Linux on Arm by recompiling anyway, so it makes very little difference.
Unfortunately, GTK is a huge panopoly of multiple dependencies that simply haven't got easier to package up over the years, and in many ways have got worse. It's cross-platform support is also pretty terrible as a result, especially when it comes to Windows and Mac but for embedded devices I would imagine the pain and maintenance would be worse. Sad, but true unfortunately.
I just wonder why people post third, fourth or fifth hand 'information' from people who know very little as fact. That's like saying you can't do anything with Windows for two weeks because you have to install Office, a DVD player and a dozen other things............and you don't have to do those things with your average Linux distribution these days, apart from the DVD stuff, but there are ways and means. No one has any trouble sitting down to a KDE desktop and starting work. Perhaps you can enlighten us all?
Well, Kwin provides a lot of options for stuff like that, but..........what I find amusing is that you're having a go at KDE because you think it takes you two weeks to configure things and you're then switching the whole thing around in the very next paragraph because KDE doesn't provide the configuration you want? Uh huh.
Uh, huh. Alas, repeating something does not make it true I'm afraid. If you put KDE nest to Gnome, and next to the serious proprietary competitors like Vista, 7 and OS X, then you can only see one open source desktop competitor on the ugliness front. You might find things ugly as do others, but the aesthetics of desktop environments are moving on regardless.
Errrrrrrrrrrrrr, yes, it is a MITM attack I'm describing, and no, the one in the article is not the only one at all which has happened against Chip and Pin, which is what I'm describing - bright fucking spark......not. Ergo, meaning it's nothing new. Trying popping the brain into gear and having a look at what people are saying rather than trying to appear clever. You'll get on better.
I know, the verbing pisses me off. The last time I cringed was at the Olympics when someone has supposedly 'medalled' - meaning that had got a medal. Urgghhhhhhhh.
But I'm getting a little scared of Google.....To many fingers in to many pies. We are meant to use a Google Thin Client, to access Google Services, over Google Fibre....
While we're right to be vigilant, the basic problem is that ISPs and quite a lot of other internet companies are frankly.......shite. Here in the UK all the larger and cheaper ISPs are absolute crap, clearly don't have the technical expertise to make things work and if you move to a competent medium or small supplier they don't have the scale to continue and end up getting bought by said crap bigger suppliers. I would be happy just to see them go out of business, even at the risk of a bit of a monopoly because the current situation is absolute crap and will improve at a snail's pace with no one willing to put in the investment.
What Google is proposing to do here is huge and will move things on so much further and enable so many things that I'd be willing to buy into it. It means that with good, reliable bandwidth you could host many things yourself that it would be an expensive recurring cost to do with external suppliers (interestingly, it could seriously blunt Amazon and cloud computing because bandwidth is the killer), decent off-site backup and mirroring becomes feasible for businesses themselves and it should provide the kick needed for IPv6 to take off. It's up to others to respond.
This has been known for years. The machines and man-in-the-middle attacks are obvious, simply because you cannot verify the authenticity of any machine that you stick your card into and type your PIN. You have no clue that any one of them is doing what you think it should be doing. ATM machines are bad enough, but at least there is some sort of trust over the fact they are at a fixed point and there is some form of physical security around them. With chip and pin machines all you have is utterly blind faith that you have no choice but to accept, and then you get blamed for being insecure by the banks when the inevitable happens.
What have we heard about this in the mainstream press and media? Nothing. People, and those with a vested interest, obviously just want to deny that it can happen.
Feel free to suggest something different to replace the cashew and what it is meant to do. However, I rather suspect you won't.
Plasma is so far ahead of Gnome 3's Shell it isn't even funny.
Well, I haven't seen anyone else get that and I haven't personally either. I've used Dolphin for all manner of file management operations. It's the easiest thing in the world to say 'it crashes', which is why I just roll my eyes at anyone who cannot say how, what, where and why and how to do it again.
This is what's called 'interesting' these days?
Well, after my experiences with other such services - DRM attempts that just slow things down and stop it working or Silverlight with SkyTV in the UK (which is OK but isn't any better than showing video through Flash) - if YouTube and Google can be sensible about that not working then I'd happily pay some money to watch a film occasionally for convenience.
My spending on DVDs will still be higher, but if they get it right then I would happily pay to watch a film online for the first time ever - if they get it right that is.
Must be funny........
1. Latch on to terrorism like a limpet.
2. Patent method relating to supposedly fighting said terrorism.
3. ???
4. Profit!
It sounds like a useless system with a ton of false positives possible whilst the people who should be under suspicion get away. The dodgy people with something to hide learnt how to defeat this kind of system long ago, and it'll be even worse with an automated system with little to new human intervention (bad idea for this sort of thing by the way). You just stay relaxed and look bored.
This terrorism racket isn't bad money.
The code written in those applications has been around for years, so stop trying to blame that for a problem that only materialised recently (although the 'problem' shouldn't be new to anyone really). A filesystem blaming userspace for certain things happening and hiding behind POSIX for well known behaviour and code that should be well tested first is one of the most retarded, and worrying, things I have ever heard. Userspace is not going to be 'fixed' in this regard for reasons which should be damn obvious. No, we're not all going to switch to sqlite. Yes, small reads and writes are part and parcel of a great many applications, and will be for years to come. Granted, XFS has historically had more of a problem in this area than other filesystems but at least they have a well tested implementation that is years ahead of ext4 - not that the approach isn't more 'risque'.
It just wiffs of some backside covering, that's all. In any case 'XFS does it too!' isn't much of a defence, especially given the use cases of the ext* line of filesystems and that it is expected to be a ext2/3 replacement.
Stop blaming the applications for a filesystem problem Ted. The excuse doesn't wash no matter how many times you use it, and no, XFS does not have it.
People have actually planned deployment? Not on the planet Earth that I'm living on they haven't.
Errrrrrrrrrr, yer. However, simply restarting a server image is infinitely preferable to hanging around for a few hours while you bite your nails waiting for a hoster to fix something. Been through it. Not going back.
So you're saying if anything takes less than a rack to host then there is no point in having it hosted for you............anywhere?!
;-)
I have no idea why people think that 'cloud' computing is any different to traditional hosting. You have all the same considerations when on EC2, Joyent or anywhere else as you do if you were getting a hosting company to specifically buy hardware and set things up for you - except many things on EC2 or such a platform are standardised and you can manage a great deal through software without hanging around for someone to schedule a time to do 'something'. Maybe that's what some people don't like?
Purchasing hardware implies a lof of other costs - where you will host it, how you will connect it, how you will back it up........ Going a traditional hosting route for this is ridiculously expensive. You need to rent the hardware, you need to communicate with the hosting company about setting up, you don't know how it will be set up (at least things are standardised with EC2), how you will handle failover (buy more hardware!) and how you will back it up (buy more hardware and storage!). Can you snapshot your data easily? Can you simply fire up a copy of your server to get running again or do testing? How will you recover from a hardware failure or a disaster where you don't hear from your hosting company for several hours while everyone bites their finger nails? It's why every other hosting company is either denying that EC2 is happening, trying to trash-talk it or trying to come up with their own 'cloud' virtualised, decentralised storage platform with some kind of software management tool........and generally failing at it. They will either respond to it or they will die.
Excuse me while I get up off the floor from laughing. What kind of 'support' do you think you get for that and how useful do you think it is? That supports is for ASPs and hosters. For the rest of us, deploying something means several layers of support on top of that for the hardware. Trust me - every other hosting company has scaling, infrastructure and bandwidth issues. I've been through it. My experience with EC2 in my somewhat limited comparative forays thus far have been infinitely preferable.
Yer, probably because you don't back anything up and you haven't had to handle recovery from a disaster. Pffffffffffffffff............... We can see who the average Slahsdot reader is when this gets modded up with this level of grammar.
I just hope Ted T'so hasn't been cooking the ext4 benchmarks again by making data notoriously less safe with a lot of retarded default settings. With data integrity restored ext4 should perform on a par with ext3, but should do far better in filesystem in hundreds of gigabytes or many terabytes. XFS has reigned there for many years so I take the article with a pinch of salt.
I'm getting fed up to the back teeth with this guy. He must have got himself into some mental issues he can't get out of. He had a dual licensed database server in MySQL that brought in good money and had a side-effect of making it the standard database as the web expanded, which he then sold to Sun for a very tidy sum and he still now expects to be able to control MySQL's future?
Before Sun bought MySQL Sun was heavily involved with Postgres (still is in many ways) and they could have quite easily tried to take that project over as opposed to buying MySQL. They didn't, and they would have found that very difficult because there are a lot of different interests in Postgres now.
It's only been dead because the whole thing was totally mismanaged for the best part of a decade, and those in charge of it got themselves into what can only be described as a mental illness. It's far easier to promise that a game will blow away everything else if you don't deliver it, and given that DN pre-dated games like Quake and an age where 3D games were developing fast I can sort of understand it, if not forgive.
The story, plot and characters of the game are still worth quite a bit. There still isn't anything quite like Duke Nukem even after all the FPS games that came after. The question is, can anyone take those up and create an actual game to some sort of plan?
Unfortunately, it seems as if some people can't discern meaning from the English language, and that's just to be expect with some of the people here on Slashdot.
Yes, there is a membership board but it is perfectly reasonable to question who is on that board and what criteria they use or will use. The second statement does that. The two statements you've quoted are not the same thing and the former does not answer the latter. OK, the latter is not great English, but fuck, this is Slashdot and with the amount of articles posted you aren't always going to get a perfect summary.