Mom rushed to a different hospital (the hospital I was at doesn't accept their insurance)
That is fucking insane.
Thanks, republicans.
It's not a Republican nor Democrat thing. For some reason, all hospitals in Utah are owned by insurance companies. There's a hospital 3 miles from my house, but it's owned by a different insurance company, so I had to go 10 miles for my sons to be born. My parents' insurance owns a third hospital 10 miles from my hospital. This also makes it fun having the insurance company dictating how much their own hospital can charge.
I read the original story and almost started crying, which would have been embarrassing for a 63 year old man at work.
I lost my father about a year ago, and it wasn't until after he died that I realized that I really should have been recording all of his stories while he was alive. He was a salesman and a preacher (same job different products), and could tell jokes and stories endlessly.
My Mother has taken my idea and is visiting what few of Dad's relatives that are left to get recordings of what they remember of his stories. Because of distances my grandchildren never knew my dad, and I really regret that. Maybe by collecting his stories from those who remember him we can keep some of that alive.
My own father died 18 hours after my second son was born. In fact, my parents had just finished dinner and got in the car to drive to hospital. It was dusk, so my mom got into the driver's seat. Dad sat down in the passenger seat, buckled his seat belt, then slumped over. Mom rushed to a different hospital (the hospital I was at doesn't accept their insurance), but it was too late. My sons will have no first-hand memories of him.
I have photos of Dad on the walls along with all my wife's family in Brazil. I point out the various people in the photos on a near daily basis to keep what few memories my older son has (he was 19 months old at the time). My dad left us a video which I watch monthly. It's static, but it captures his likeness, personality, and emotions.
This is the same logic I use to justify why I don't put all my cash in a bank.
I keep a cache of cash at home for emergencies. I keep a smaller amount on my person. I recently was out of state when my card was flagged for possible fraudulent charges. I had enough cash to last me until I got my new card. Another time, I finished dining at a nice restaurant before being informed their card reader was broken. Luckily I had cash to cover the meal.
If you have an unreasonably large sum of money, cops can assume you got it through illegal means (such as selling drugs) or that you are going to use it for some illegal transaction (such as buying drugs) and confiscate it.
My $500 daily limit is how much cash I can withdraw from an ATM. I can spend my entire balance in a day (plus a little extra because of overdraft protection) or go into a bank to make a larger withdrawal. I'd have to read up if cash back from purchases counts towards the $500.
It was meant as not-so-tongue-in-cheek that anyone from the other party can't do anything right. George W. Bush was judged for results of previous administrations (as were Clinton and Obama). People get so loyal to their party that nothing else matters. Yes, I'm Conservative. No, I don't self identify with the Republican Party or Tea Party.
So you're fine with submitting personal information over insecure Http?
That's what the committee is under fire for. They're not telling them to stop. They're telling them to do it right.
No, I am not ok with passing sensitive information over insecure channels. I wrote a pro-Trump joke which got modded troll, while seeing other instances favoring liberals being modded funny.
I voted 3rd party because I couldn't put my name behind either Trump nor Clinton. I lean Conservative, but am disenfranchised with the Republican Party.
The liberals asked for this investigation after Trump suggested their might be voter fraud. The media and liberals responded that if he was serious he should investigate. So he did, now they make a big deal about the necessary information requests to perform such an investigation. Maybe they should instead suggest how we can perform the investigation within their 'bounds of acceptance'.
You forget that we're talking about Trump. Trump can't do anything right according to mainstream media.
I can't imagine Congress is going to let this go on forever. The potential damage to the US economy is enormous. The Republicans just have to figure out how to utterly fuck the Administration over while still looking like they're on the President's side.
The original travel ban had a set time line: no new refugees for 120 days and no immigrants from those 7 countries for 90 days; it wasn't meant to "go on forever."
Also, this bullcrap about the electoral college. Seems to me that states where Sanders won flopped and went for Trump. I don't think the DNC or Hillary's campaign were correctly playing the electoral college game.
The electoral college is a necessary compromise. It's the same compromise which gave all states equal voice in the Senate while more populous states get a louder voice in Congress. As long as states have a winner-take-all mentality, something like the electoral college is needed. My personal proposal is that there are 2 votes representing the entire state, then 1 vote decided by voters in each congressional district. Of course, the US Constitution gives states the right and obligation to handle elections (determine polling positions, determine how to divvy the electoral votes, etc).
If you are so special, take your talents to an organization that feels the same way. If no such organization exists, the market has spoken and any attempt to use the political system to naysay its judgement is futile.
The world doesn't owe you a particular place on the Totem pole and neither does the nation.
I am not asking for special treatment, just equal treatment. Race, ethnicity, sex, gender, nation of origin: none of these should impact one's ability to perform one's job (although nation of origin could potentially affect one's ability to communicate). None of these should have any bearing on who to hire or promote, or how much pay one should receive for the position.
I'm a "Tech Employee" and American citizen, but many of my co-workers were born in other countries and I am very nervous that Trump's anti-immigrant rhetoric is causing them problems. I am nervous that many of my talented co-workers may have problems staying in the US, and that future potential-co-workers will not be hired because of the legal changes.
Note that some companies abuse the H1B visa program, and I'm happy with changes to fix that. But what I hear is "all immigrants BAD", which is stupid. I feel like the prevailing attitude is "the US's borders should have been closed the day after MY ancestors got here".
If you're in the US, you are the descendant of immigrants. (Though full-blooded native americans at least have a stringer claim than the rest of us.)
I was born and raised in the US (some of my ancestors arrived here over 300 years ago). I have been an IT professional for 17 years. Over 60% of the workers at my office are foreign nationals, while 80% of project managers are foreigners. My company has a Chief Diversity Officer and designates a Female Worker of the Month (there is no male employee of the month, or just employee of the month).
Come on. It is a free society with full freedom of expression. Lying is his fundamental right, and he exercised it. If his employees were foolish enough to believe his lies, it is their fault right? Why should he be indicted? You don't see Trump supporters suing Trump for lying. What's good enough for Trumpsters is good enough for techies.
I know very few people on./ RTFA, but you should at least read the summary. The company forged confirmation of wire transfers that never occurred. It was not a case of the company convincing people to work for free (a la Tom Sawyer).
No, you have that wrong. Christians have only been on Earth for 6000 years. Some of them are still alive today and being elected to Congress. Take a good look at Sen. Richard Shelby from Alabama, definitely 6000 years old. Jeff Sessions, former Senator from Alabama and now patsy at the Justice Dept, isn't 6000 years old, but his ideas are.
The Julian calendar places Jesus' birth in the year 1 AD (aka first year of our Lord). Some Christians took that year and did math (taking the genealogies of Jesus literally) to come up with Adam being created some 4,000 before Jesus was born. This is how supporters of the Young Earth Theory believe the earth is only 6,000 plus change years old. Suggesting that Christians have been on Earth for 6,000 years means Christianity started during the lifetime of Adam.
This concept is drilled into us day in, day out. It's accepted as a universal truth with absolutely no vetting, which has always made me suspicious of the claim. Why is diversity important in science? By it's very nature, WHO is doing the science should be irrelevant. A test result won't change depending on my gender or melanin levels, or at least it won't if the science is done right.
People of different backgrounds may come up with different approaches. These approaches should be judged on their merits (and not on who proposed them). You're right the test results "won't change depending on my gender or melanin levels," but we might not have that particular test if you're stuck in an echo chamber.
For the record, I support meritology. Age, race, nationality, sex, and gender identity do not matter in most careers.
Now let us consider a gasoline car. I'll assume an optimistic 10L/100km. That would mean that driving 426km would use 426/100 x 10 = 42.6L of gasoline. Gasoline costs $1.32/L where I live, but let's give it a cheaper price of $1.11/L. This would give a cost for driving 426km of 42.6L x $1.11/L = $47.29. The cost per km would be $47.29/426km = $0.111/km.
Given that there are 3.78 liters per gallon, you really pay $4.99 per gallon for gas? The national average is about $2.40 / gallon ($0.63 / liter), so your figures are way off.
What are you doing that needs more RAM and CPU power? I'm seriously asking, I just used it in some of HS.
In high school I used the TI-85 because calculators weren't allowed on the ACT and we could only use calculators which didn't have a qwerty keyboard on tests. I used the TI-92 Plus up through 3rd semester calculus in college. Some 3D graphs I had to plot would take minutes to complete. Also, solving a group of 4 or more equations (4 variables with 4 equations) could benefit from more CPU or RAM. Additional storage would mean more programs could be installed at once.
I guess the TI-92 Plus was good enough for most things, but TI should either lower the price or beef up the specs. Actually, the Voyage 200 (released in 2002) did up the available memory.
As for wiping the calculator before taking tests, I backed up to my computer, wiped the calculator at the testing center, then restored at home.
Mankind has been warmongering over differences in belief systems for thousands of years
Can you give us an example? And I really mean “differences in belief systems”. As in “We will raise an army to beat up those people because they believe the wrong things”. The closest thing I am aware of is the crusades, but even there the motive seemed more related to security than theological differences.
Ever heard of the Extermination Order of 1838? Governor Boggs declared that "the Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State". The background is that the Mormons generally were more prosperous than their non-believing neighbors (Mormons also were anti-slavery) so non-Mormons attacked Mormon properties and the Mormons attacked back. This escalated into the Mormon War of 1838. The Extermination Order was rescinded by Governor Bond in June 1976.
I think you over-estimate, several key things, for any given home buyer.
a) disposable income to just, 'hire', an appraiser.
- Most people can barely qualify for a home loan. And you want people to shell out a hundred, few hundred on a 'maybe'.. ?
My official appraisal cost $500. I paid that begrudgingly because based on Zillow's estimate I could qualify for over $100k cash out and still be within the bank's magic loan amount being no more than 85% of the appraised value.
b) Zillow is a tool for rough estimation on property availability.
- If anyone is using it for anything more than that, well, they're rather stupid. Or, they live in urban, high population settings, where the market is skewed because of Zillow, RedFin, etc...
My mortgage broker took Zillow's estimate at face value for a good faith estimate (no, I didn't give the broker Zillow's numbers). It was this good faith estimate which convinced me to pay $500 for an official appraisal.
As someone who has been tracking reality websites for the past several months, Zillow, Redfin, Landwatch, and the like are starting points to availability. As I'm looking to buy, if one actually becomes a viable fine, I'm finding the actual realtor handling the property. Not a fucking website...
Ah, you're talking buying, my experience was with refinance.
Zillow showed my house as being worth so much that we started the paperwork with our mortgage broker to get cash out (we wanted to finish the basement). The mortgage broker confirmed Zillow's valuation as "a good faith estimate" but required an actual appraisal.. The official appraisal (which cost us $500) came back nearly half of what Zillow estimated, and based on how much we still owed we didn't qualify. I wanted to sue Zillow for their misleading estimate but thought that what they did wasn't actionable.
I was never diagnosed with autism. Everyone just assumed I had autism by my appearance. Never mind that I routinely scored the annual evaluations on the genius side ("statistical flukes"), had a college-level reading comprehension after eight years in Special Ed classes (school officials couldn't call that a "statistical fluke"), and skipped high school to go to community college.
Um, autism is not the same thing as Mongolism (having Down's Syndrome). My uncle had Down's Syndrome; such individuals have physical attributes associated with the syndrome (such as almond-shaped eyes and large tongues). Autism is a mental condition where there is (usually) nothing wrong physically, but their brain is wired differently. I have an autistic nephew.
As well as Obama destroying insurance ($5000 deductibles for everyone), Dianne Feinstein becoming a Billionaire *only while* in Congress, and of course the classic "We have to pass the bill to know what's in the bill." That from the bobble-head Nancy Pelosi. Yep. Oh yeah, you bastard!
My plan's deductible is $500 per person ($1500 / family), so I have a hard time believing $5k; $5k is closer to max out of pocket. Of course, I'm paying $500 / month premiums...
In 1985 I was using the DEBUG command to create.COM programs, Does this count as a programming language?
About the same time, I started creating games in BASIC, but this was for a hobby. My elementary school had a course teaching Turtle with simple instructions (pen up / down, turn left / right by certain degrees, change pen color, move forward / backward a certain distance, etc). Was this my first programming language?
My first ISCS class at university used Smalltalk. While I was on my 2-year mission, IS and CS separated and the first CS class used Java. Subsequent classes used C, C++. Eventually we could use any language we chose.
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Mom rushed to a different hospital (the hospital I was at doesn't accept their insurance)
That is fucking insane. Thanks, republicans.
It's not a Republican nor Democrat thing. For some reason, all hospitals in Utah are owned by insurance companies. There's a hospital 3 miles from my house, but it's owned by a different insurance company, so I had to go 10 miles for my sons to be born. My parents' insurance owns a third hospital 10 miles from my hospital. This also makes it fun having the insurance company dictating how much their own hospital can charge.
I read the original story and almost started crying, which would have been embarrassing for a 63 year old man at work.
I lost my father about a year ago, and it wasn't until after he died that I realized that I really should have been recording all of his stories while he was alive. He was a salesman and a preacher (same job different products), and could tell jokes and stories endlessly.
My Mother has taken my idea and is visiting what few of Dad's relatives that are left to get recordings of what they remember of his stories. Because of distances my grandchildren never knew my dad, and I really regret that. Maybe by collecting his stories from those who remember him we can keep some of that alive.
My own father died 18 hours after my second son was born. In fact, my parents had just finished dinner and got in the car to drive to hospital. It was dusk, so my mom got into the driver's seat. Dad sat down in the passenger seat, buckled his seat belt, then slumped over. Mom rushed to a different hospital (the hospital I was at doesn't accept their insurance), but it was too late. My sons will have no first-hand memories of him.
I have photos of Dad on the walls along with all my wife's family in Brazil. I point out the various people in the photos on a near daily basis to keep what few memories my older son has (he was 19 months old at the time). My dad left us a video which I watch monthly. It's static, but it captures his likeness, personality, and emotions.
This is the same logic I use to justify why I don't put all my cash in a bank.
I keep a cache of cash at home for emergencies. I keep a smaller amount on my person. I recently was out of state when my card was flagged for possible fraudulent charges. I had enough cash to last me until I got my new card. Another time, I finished dining at a nice restaurant before being informed their card reader was broken. Luckily I had cash to cover the meal.
What is "civil forfeiture"?
If you have an unreasonably large sum of money, cops can assume you got it through illegal means (such as selling drugs) or that you are going to use it for some illegal transaction (such as buying drugs) and confiscate it.
Except for your $500 daily limit.
My $500 daily limit is how much cash I can withdraw from an ATM. I can spend my entire balance in a day (plus a little extra because of overdraft protection) or go into a bank to make a larger withdrawal. I'd have to read up if cash back from purchases counts towards the $500.
You sound bitter.
It was meant as not-so-tongue-in-cheek that anyone from the other party can't do anything right. George W. Bush was judged for results of previous administrations (as were Clinton and Obama). People get so loyal to their party that nothing else matters. Yes, I'm Conservative. No, I don't self identify with the Republican Party or Tea Party.
So you're fine with submitting personal information over insecure Http?
That's what the committee is under fire for. They're not telling them to stop. They're telling them to do it right.
No, I am not ok with passing sensitive information over insecure channels. I wrote a pro-Trump joke which got modded troll, while seeing other instances favoring liberals being modded funny.
I voted 3rd party because I couldn't put my name behind either Trump nor Clinton. I lean Conservative, but am disenfranchised with the Republican Party.
The liberals asked for this investigation after Trump suggested their might be voter fraud. The media and liberals responded that if he was serious he should investigate. So he did, now they make a big deal about the necessary information requests to perform such an investigation. Maybe they should instead suggest how we can perform the investigation within their 'bounds of acceptance'.
You forget that we're talking about Trump. Trump can't do anything right according to mainstream media.
I can't imagine Congress is going to let this go on forever. The potential damage to the US economy is enormous. The Republicans just have to figure out how to utterly fuck the Administration over while still looking like they're on the President's side.
The original travel ban had a set time line: no new refugees for 120 days and no immigrants from those 7 countries for 90 days; it wasn't meant to "go on forever."
Also, this bullcrap about the electoral college. Seems to me that states where Sanders won flopped and went for Trump. I don't think the DNC or Hillary's campaign were correctly playing the electoral college game.
The electoral college is a necessary compromise. It's the same compromise which gave all states equal voice in the Senate while more populous states get a louder voice in Congress. As long as states have a winner-take-all mentality, something like the electoral college is needed. My personal proposal is that there are 2 votes representing the entire state, then 1 vote decided by voters in each congressional district. Of course, the US Constitution gives states the right and obligation to handle elections (determine polling positions, determine how to divvy the electoral votes, etc).
If you are so special, take your talents to an organization that feels the same way. If no such organization exists, the market has spoken and any attempt to use the political system to naysay its judgement is futile.
The world doesn't owe you a particular place on the Totem pole and neither does the nation.
I am not asking for special treatment, just equal treatment. Race, ethnicity, sex, gender, nation of origin: none of these should impact one's ability to perform one's job (although nation of origin could potentially affect one's ability to communicate). None of these should have any bearing on who to hire or promote, or how much pay one should receive for the position.
I'm a "Tech Employee" and American citizen, but many of my co-workers were born in other countries and I am very nervous that Trump's anti-immigrant rhetoric is causing them problems. I am nervous that many of my talented co-workers may have problems staying in the US, and that future potential-co-workers will not be hired because of the legal changes.
Note that some companies abuse the H1B visa program, and I'm happy with changes to fix that. But what I hear is "all immigrants BAD", which is stupid. I feel like the prevailing attitude is "the US's borders should have been closed the day after MY ancestors got here".
If you're in the US, you are the descendant of immigrants. (Though full-blooded native americans at least have a stringer claim than the rest of us.)
I was born and raised in the US (some of my ancestors arrived here over 300 years ago). I have been an IT professional for 17 years. Over 60% of the workers at my office are foreign nationals, while 80% of project managers are foreigners. My company has a Chief Diversity Officer and designates a Female Worker of the Month (there is no male employee of the month, or just employee of the month).
I'm glad there's no passengers on the plane, but that still risks everyone on the ground under the flight path.
Come on. It is a free society with full freedom of expression. Lying is his fundamental right, and he exercised it. If his employees were foolish enough to believe his lies, it is their fault right? Why should he be indicted? You don't see Trump supporters suing Trump for lying. What's good enough for Trumpsters is good enough for techies.
I know very few people on ./ RTFA, but you should at least read the summary. The company forged confirmation of wire transfers that never occurred. It was not a case of the company convincing people to work for free (a la Tom Sawyer).
No, you have that wrong. Christians have only been on Earth for 6000 years. Some of them are still alive today and being elected to Congress. Take a good look at Sen. Richard Shelby from Alabama, definitely 6000 years old. Jeff Sessions, former Senator from Alabama and now patsy at the Justice Dept, isn't 6000 years old, but his ideas are.
The Julian calendar places Jesus' birth in the year 1 AD (aka first year of our Lord). Some Christians took that year and did math (taking the genealogies of Jesus literally) to come up with Adam being created some 4,000 before Jesus was born. This is how supporters of the Young Earth Theory believe the earth is only 6,000 plus change years old. Suggesting that Christians have been on Earth for 6,000 years means Christianity started during the lifetime of Adam.
Why is diversity important?
This concept is drilled into us day in, day out. It's accepted as a universal truth with absolutely no vetting, which has always made me suspicious of the claim. Why is diversity important in science? By it's very nature, WHO is doing the science should be irrelevant. A test result won't change depending on my gender or melanin levels, or at least it won't if the science is done right.
People of different backgrounds may come up with different approaches. These approaches should be judged on their merits (and not on who proposed them). You're right the test results "won't change depending on my gender or melanin levels," but we might not have that particular test if you're stuck in an echo chamber.
For the record, I support meritology. Age, race, nationality, sex, and gender identity do not matter in most careers.
Now let us consider a gasoline car. I'll assume an optimistic 10L/100km. That would mean that driving 426km would use 426/100 x 10 = 42.6L of gasoline. Gasoline costs $1.32/L where I live, but let's give it a cheaper price of $1.11/L. This would give a cost for driving 426km of 42.6L x $1.11/L = $47.29. The cost per km would be $47.29/426km = $0.111/km.
Given that there are 3.78 liters per gallon, you really pay $4.99 per gallon for gas? The national average is about $2.40 / gallon ($0.63 / liter), so your figures are way off.
What are you doing that needs more RAM and CPU power? I'm seriously asking, I just used it in some of HS.
In high school I used the TI-85 because calculators weren't allowed on the ACT and we could only use calculators which didn't have a qwerty keyboard on tests. I used the TI-92 Plus up through 3rd semester calculus in college. Some 3D graphs I had to plot would take minutes to complete. Also, solving a group of 4 or more equations (4 variables with 4 equations) could benefit from more CPU or RAM. Additional storage would mean more programs could be installed at once.
I guess the TI-92 Plus was good enough for most things, but TI should either lower the price or beef up the specs. Actually, the Voyage 200 (released in 2002) did up the available memory.
As for wiping the calculator before taking tests, I backed up to my computer, wiped the calculator at the testing center, then restored at home.
Why should they? f(x)=sin(x) hasn't changed in decades... or is it centuries?
This whole "updating" merry-go-round is just a symptom of our sickness as a culture.
My TI-92 Plus also allowed for programming and defining units. More memory and faster processor would be welcome.
Mankind has been warmongering over differences in belief systems for thousands of years
Can you give us an example? And I really mean “differences in belief systems”. As in “We will raise an army to beat up those people because they believe the wrong things”. The closest thing I am aware of is the crusades, but even there the motive seemed more related to security than theological differences.
Ever heard of the Extermination Order of 1838? Governor Boggs declared that "the Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State". The background is that the Mormons generally were more prosperous than their non-believing neighbors (Mormons also were anti-slavery) so non-Mormons attacked Mormon properties and the Mormons attacked back. This escalated into the Mormon War of 1838. The Extermination Order was rescinded by Governor Bond in June 1976.
If you want a real appraisal, hire an appraiser.
I think you over-estimate, several key things, for any given home buyer. a) disposable income to just, 'hire', an appraiser. - Most people can barely qualify for a home loan. And you want people to shell out a hundred, few hundred on a 'maybe'.. ?
My official appraisal cost $500. I paid that begrudgingly because based on Zillow's estimate I could qualify for over $100k cash out and still be within the bank's magic loan amount being no more than 85% of the appraised value.
b) Zillow is a tool for rough estimation on property availability. - If anyone is using it for anything more than that, well, they're rather stupid. Or, they live in urban, high population settings, where the market is skewed because of Zillow, RedFin, etc...
My mortgage broker took Zillow's estimate at face value for a good faith estimate (no, I didn't give the broker Zillow's numbers). It was this good faith estimate which convinced me to pay $500 for an official appraisal.
As someone who has been tracking reality websites for the past several months, Zillow, Redfin, Landwatch, and the like are starting points to availability. As I'm looking to buy, if one actually becomes a viable fine, I'm finding the actual realtor handling the property. Not a fucking website...
Ah, you're talking buying, my experience was with refinance.
Zillow showed my house as being worth so much that we started the paperwork with our mortgage broker to get cash out (we wanted to finish the basement). The mortgage broker confirmed Zillow's valuation as "a good faith estimate" but required an actual appraisal.. The official appraisal (which cost us $500) came back nearly half of what Zillow estimated, and based on how much we still owed we didn't qualify. I wanted to sue Zillow for their misleading estimate but thought that what they did wasn't actionable.
I was never diagnosed with autism. Everyone just assumed I had autism by my appearance. Never mind that I routinely scored the annual evaluations on the genius side ("statistical flukes"), had a college-level reading comprehension after eight years in Special Ed classes (school officials couldn't call that a "statistical fluke"), and skipped high school to go to community college.
Um, autism is not the same thing as Mongolism (having Down's Syndrome). My uncle had Down's Syndrome; such individuals have physical attributes associated with the syndrome (such as almond-shaped eyes and large tongues). Autism is a mental condition where there is (usually) nothing wrong physically, but their brain is wired differently. I have an autistic nephew.
As well as Obama destroying insurance ($5000 deductibles for everyone), Dianne Feinstein becoming a Billionaire *only while* in Congress, and of course the classic "We have to pass the bill to know what's in the bill." That from the bobble-head Nancy Pelosi. Yep. Oh yeah, you bastard!
My plan's deductible is $500 per person ($1500 / family), so I have a hard time believing $5k; $5k is closer to max out of pocket. Of course, I'm paying $500 / month premiums ...
In 1985 I was using the DEBUG command to create .COM programs, Does this count as a programming language?
About the same time, I started creating games in BASIC, but this was for a hobby. My elementary school had a course teaching Turtle with simple instructions (pen up / down, turn left / right by certain degrees, change pen color, move forward / backward a certain distance, etc). Was this my first programming language?
My first ISCS class at university used Smalltalk. While I was on my 2-year mission, IS and CS separated and the first CS class used Java. Subsequent classes used C, C++. Eventually we could use any language we chose.