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Tim Cook Told Trump Tech Employees Are 'Nervous' About Immigration (cnbc.com)
Behind the scenes at the White House tech CEO meeting, Apple CEO Tim Cook told President Donald Trump that technology employees are "nervous" about the administration's approach to immigration, CNBC reports, citing a source familiar with the exchange. From the report: The source said the president told the CEOs on Monday that the Senate's health-care bill needs "more heart." That would be a second known instance of the president criticizing the GOP plan in private meetings. To that, the source said, Cook replied that the immigration approach by the administration also "needs more heart." Cook cited the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which is under review by the Trump administration. He also said people in tech and their co-workers were nervous about their status, and added that it "would be great" if the president could "send them a signal." Here's what executives of Amazon, Google, and Microsoft said.
Yeah I'm nervous. I'm nervous about foreigners taking good tech jobs. Hopefully Trump can put an end to it.
What do I have to be worried about, I'm a natural born US citizen and I'm in tech. Now what? Tim Cook doesn't speak for me.
...upper management is nervous about the administration's approach to immigration, maybe. Those of us on the ground are nervous about immigration in a different way, like some H1B replacement trainings.
Fuck you, Tim Cook. Eat the rich.
I'm sure Tim Cook is fighting for American workers... O wait, he's fighting _against_ American workers. Thanks super rich CEO.
Read Trump lips (or just listen to what he said every opportunity). American jobs for Americans! This means no outsourcing. No H-1B exploiting.
Trump hasn't done anything of substance to even mildly inconvenience the wealthy, and the H1-B program (which, let's face it, is what Timmy's talking about) is no different. He made a few pointless proclamations to great fan fare but he didn't even bother rescinding Obama's executive order letting their spouses work.
Trump's entire cabinet is comprised of billionaires and Goldman Sachs people. The swamp is not getting drained. Face it, we got Hilary's economics with the right wing's Health Care and social issues slants.
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Are "Tech Employees" nervous or are just "H-1B Tech Employees" nervous while most of the rest are thinking they might be staring at an opportunity?
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It would be great if Tim cook would speak for himself.
If Tim Cook hasn't noticed that Trump's been sending bloody obvious signals for the past two plus years, he haven't been paying attention.
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He also said people in tech and their co-workers were nervous about their status, and added that it "would be great" if the president could "send them a signal."
They can all go to hell with the CEOs who exploit them.
Cook replied that the immigration approach by the administration also "needs more heart." Cook cited the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which is under review by the Trump administration. He also said people in tech and their co-workers were nervous about their status, and added that it "would be great" if the president could "send them a signal."
Cook really has his finger on the pulse of what workers want (lower H1B wages), just as he knows what customers want (fewer useful ports, no headphone jack, and expensive, complicated earphones). It's definitely not just what he wants or anything.
If you're a legal U.S. citizen OR you have a legal work visa, I don't think you have anything to be "nervous" about?
Yeah, the mainstream media likes to work people up into a frenzy over "what COULD happen" based on the conjecture of reporters with no first-hand knowledge of anything. But just listening to Trump's own speeches (which are so poorly spoken, it's obvious they come from him and aren't the result of careful editing and vetting like most presidential speeches) -- he keeps clarifying that all of his immigration issues are about stopping the "undocumented" people.
Last I checked, Apple wasn't employing a bunch of illegal immigrants who have no green cards?
And quite frankly, I've been a bit disappointed that "Mr. Build-a-Wall" has said so little about cracking down on the number of H1B visas we keep granting people to come over here and do our tech jobs. That's one area where it's FAR from provable that we just don't have anyone in America capable of doing the work....
Trump is talking about doing something about the illegals taking our jobs. We should be less nervous because it looks like something finally might be done.
Our two worst employees were from Pakistan. They constant committed code that wouldn't even compile. They weren't let back in the US after they returned home last month, and work has been much better without them.
Do we really have to report on every fucking thing Tim Cook says? Come on, msmash... This is ridiculous.
Nervous about enforcing laws?
Nervous about actually vetting immigrants?
Nervous about letting immigrants from other countries have a fair chance at entry, instead of being at an inherent disadvantage because they do not have the privilege of physical proximity that illegal Mexican immigrants have?
To me it seem utterly crazy to be "nervous" about treating immigration as seriously as any other country on Earth does... you try just wandering into Canada and looking for work and see how well that works for you.
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I'm nervous that the President might actually try to represent his constituents rather than some pie in the sky globalist agenda that tools like Tim Cook are trying to push. After all, I'd hate to have more opportunities for my skills, better pay scales that aren't depressed by a flood of low-skilled foreign workers abusing H1B visas, and a level playing field with other nations that already abuse the system in favor of their employees. It frightens me that the President might actually do something that's good for me rather than Wall Street investors and billionaires with international businesses that are only concerned with quarterly reports. If Trump stays in office I may have to start cutting just to remember how oppressed I am by this regime.
When there's a policy that will favor citizens instead of guest workers, nerves should be a bit frazzled.
That's how we know Trump has chosen the right policy. Besides, it's time that globalists like Cook show a little heart for citizens - by respecting the law and enforcing it consistently.
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At the end it says "if the president could send them a signal". To my eyes the president has send a large number of signals. The magic 8 ball would say "Outlook not good". And you have to look at the presidents actions not his honey words which mean nothing.
The signals Trump is sending are good for other nations, not the US.
When a university replaces their tech workers with H1B workers, it has gotten out of hand. These positions were not empty, they had competent people already that were being pushed out.
Silicon Valley is insular and out of touch. Tim Cook is the same way, he only sees DC and the H1B visas, nobody else exists in the USA outside of Silicon Valley, in his mind.
Here, it's not illegal immigration, but rather, H1B employees that are the topic here.
From a political POV, the argument has been that H1B workers are used to simply undercut American workers - both citizens & permanent residents. Note that in the Labor Certification process, which a company has to go through while applying for these visas, they have to demonstrate that there are no American citizens or permanent residents available to take that job. That argument is badly undercut when you have outgoing American employees being required to train their replacements. Obviously illustrating a violation of the spirit, if not the letter, of the law.
From the corporate standpoint, there have been two arguments. One is that it's impossible to find American workers who are interested in doing those jobs. One may add the caveat about the salaries required to do those. If those jobs can be offshored, it's a win-win: the US doesn't have to issue all those H1B visas, and the companies can pay Indian salaries to Indians sitting in Bangalore or Pune. If they cannot be, that's where the companies should be made to cough up the cash.
The other argument is that it's impossible to find Americans who are qualified to do those, which was the original purpose of the H1B visas. This is where the EB1/2/3 category comes into question. In which case, again, see if they can be done offshore, and if they can't, then issue those visas, but for a big price.
The best suggestion I've heard about H1B's is to put a floor of $150k on the salary. That would cut out the sub-par coders here that people complain about.
Face it, we got Hilary's economics with the right wing's Health Care and social issues slants.
Maybe.
But keep in mind that Hillary was co-opting some of Sander's platform.
This brutal beating that the Dems took last Nov is sinking in. I'm at ground zero of the Ossoff election today and I'm seeing some different Dem strategy.
Ossoff is a moderate Democrat (he'd be a Rep in California or everywhere else before Newt and Fox News started the trend of turning the GOP into a party of right wing nuts.)
People are still pissed. When I heard Karl Rove on *NPR last Summer, he called the election.
*The ONLY place I EVER hear reasoned Republican arguments is on NPR. NOT on ANY cable news channel or ANY broadcast channel. I think it's laughable that NPR is called "leftist".
Which you obviously struggle with. Ever hear the phrase "supply and demand"? Maybe you are 13 and not actually an adult who needs a job, but one day will grow up and realize that working for peanuts sucks.
When I started out in IT (back sometime after the last Ice Age,) it was very possible to start out as a help desk person, and work your way up learning as you went. I know, because I started out with a non-CS degree and made the hops from help desk to desktop support to (essentially) a data center operator, then several levels of sysadmin and finally where I am now as a senior engineer/architect. The thing I'm worried about is that current generations will see no future in an IT career and choose not to pursue it. One of the contributing factors is the limited prospects for low-end IT jobs needed to get the skills you have to possess at the higher levels. If help desk work is offshored or a minimum wage job, fewer people will go into the field and gain the kind of OJT you only get in the trenches.
I absolutely don't hold myself out to be some super-genius, but I have noticed that there are a lot more "senior architect" level jobs being filled by people with a much lower skill and experience level than you would expect. This makes sense if there's a whole bunch of missing rungs in the career ladder -- a CS grad will BS his way into a higher level position than they normally would have because of this. This is where you get the architect-level people who just buy whatever's in the Gartner Magic Quadrant because they can't objectively evaluate vendor claims. I've had to work very hard to stay hands on in the company I work for, because the assumption is that once you reach my level all you do is hand-wave a few diagrams and buy million-dollar software tools to badly automate Function X. My boss knows this, but it's hard convincing those above our level that it's worth investing in the talent pool.
I'm one of those crazy people who really likes my job and loves learning and teaching newbies what I know. I also think companies would be fighting fewer fires if the labor market wasn't so distorted at the low end by the body shops and outsourcing companies.
start protesting, vote with your wallets, let Apple, Microsoft, Facebook etc. know that it is YOU they should hire, not someone from Europe or China or wherever.
That Trump will prevent them from outsourcing all work to India, and bringing in Indians for 1/2 the salary of home grown talent.
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
What the hell would Tim Cook know about what tech employees want? He's a manager. A large number of the tech employees that work for him are indentured servants and can't speak out about what they want, else they may lose their job and have to leave the country in retaliation. Just the way any greedy manager without morals would want it.
It's like asking Kim Jong-Un what the citizens of NK want.
There are some many 'anonymous sources' in the news today you don't know what to believe. When I see those words I automatically think 'fake news'. If it true just come and say it.
BTW: An anonymous source says that /. is about to make me their CEO.
You say things that offend me and I can deal with it. Can you?
They're spouses of workers here are what are ostensibly temporary visas which were themselves issued for temporary labor shortages. Those 'temporary' shortages have been going on for at least 15 years. That's 3 full college classes start to finish.
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this shouldnt be at neg 1
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Almost entirely lies.
So, don't believe him.
Verify. Don't trust.
Think of him as the Russian Liar-in-Chief.
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If I am an American i would be rather worried about my job being stolen by foreign aliens, who are liining up to take a shot at stealing your jobs. Tech moguls want to lay off their American workforce in droves and replace us with cheap foreign labor so that they have more money to spend on their enormous mansions. Basically, if your an American and you support immigration your shooting yourself in the foot. We need a populist nationalist who will kill H1B and all the H visas, if your American and want to have a job anyway.
We also need to do something about education in this country. We spend $23,000 per year per student on education in some places like Washington DC and yet the literacy rate there is around 30%. $30k can buy a year in some of the best private schools yet we are cranking out students who cant read and who however might end up brainwashed with all of the latest america hating, globalistic, feminazi, communistic social justice hogwash. It reminds of a cartoon I saw, where you have two registration booths, one for STEM degrees and one for Gender Studies (How to scapegoat men for your own incompetence) degrees. First women are lined up at the gender studies booth with none of them are registering at the STEM booth. Then below that we see women protesting in front the STEM booth with signs "STEM is boys club".
Charter schools is really a matter of economic rights for these inner city populations. If public schools are so great like Liberals say you wouldnt have 30% literacy in the most solidly Liberal school districts who spend vast amounts of money on public education. Public schools tend to not care because its a monopoly. It is absolutely true if we have school choice there will be accountability. Public schools of course don't want school choice because it means they wont be able to slack off any more raking in vast amounts of taxpayer monies while not having to care or work hard.
it better have medicare / medicaid (only income based) for all or we may have to beat the shit out the H1B who took your job or rig the systems to fail after you are canned and make it big so you go to fed prison that has better doctors then state prisons as your local state can cut the medicaid that you need and your mcjob mini med does not cover jack shit.
Low wages are always what they should be, but high prices are just the market self regulating. And God forbid you talk about poverty or (gasp) wealth inequality. Fetch me my fainting goats, I do believe I have a case of the vapours...
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I graduated college in the late 90s and out of all the places I've worked there was only ONE that had any vested interest in developing a long term career path for its people - then they were bought out by a capital investment firm and all that went out the window in the name of profit.
It seems like no company puts value on people who stay longer than a few years, certainly there are no career paths other than promotion through making a lateral move to another, similar company.
No documentation, few senior level people with a any in depth knowledge, lots of half finished things (always in motion.)
Is the whole IT world this dysfunctional? Can it change?? Can WE make it change?
So would Freddie Gray (and list of other petty thieves)
None of the people on that list were tech workers, now were they? Back to the topic at hand snowflake.
How many others have been illegally deported?
My wife works in immigration law, I can assure you not many. There is an abundance of opportunity for appeal and review.
Is that why the Fitzgerald...(incoherent rambling)..
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It should be, Trump and the GOP aren't known for their competency.
Strange then that so many like you seem to worry about what he is doing!
Must be hard to live with a rift that wide deep inside your soul, for eight years...
I'll let you have the last response because after all, BLEEP BLOORP FLOOPWA.
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from Congress. It's a popular issue. He could easily shame them into putting through laws to stop the program's abuses (or better yet, the program entirely). All it would take is a few tweets. And if it's one thing we know about the Donald, he loves tweets. The fact that he doesn't shows either a) the issue isn't important enough to him and/or b) he doesn't want to act.
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Nervous that as domestic workers get more pay and perks the longer on the job, that instead of teaching the old dogs new tricks, they lay off the old dogs that invented their current tech, to hire H1Bs that are less skilled and paid way less than normal for their job than domestic workers. So Tim, make me less nervous, advise the President to tighten qualifications for H1Bs and make sure they are not displacing domestic workers. And make the end company that uses the H1B responsible for meeting the legalities, or face fines, and further restrictions, eliminate the third party H1B body shops that snap up the majority of visas under false pretenses, eliminating the ability for small shops that actually need a specialized worker the ability to hire one. And H1B hires should be guaranteed work through the time of the visa, through a bond by the hiring company, plus airfare home. And any H1B also gets any long term benefits they can't qualify for as a cash bonus on leaving the country. They can't qualify for a pension, the end company pays into a fund that matches contributions that regular employees get. Essentially remove the profit motive from H1Bs and focus on the original intent to hire specialized workers not domestically available.
Versus what I read that said they were excited about how the meeting went.
But hey, dump on Trump, anyway you can, right?
Hint: people who are already here and qualified need work. Sorry they won't work for peanuts, but Silicon Valley can fucking afford it. Zero sympathy for Tim Clown, er . . . Cook.
There's a reason for this: both parties are in on it. Democrats see them or their offspring more likely to vote Democrat; and businesses see them as cheap labor, and therefore (legally) bribe Republicans to look the other way. Thus, Republican representatives pretend to be appalled for their voting base, but have kept making excuses not to sign anything when the opportunity has arisen.
Trump is doing it wrong. Directly booting people out and breaking up families is both mean and bad politics. A law needs to go after businesses with some legal teeth against owners and hiring managers, along with an army of inspectors. Much fewer illegals would come if they couldn't get jobs. It would take longer to see results than direct boot-outs, but eventually has the same effect.
But, business will never go for that: they'll lobby and bribe to stop it, and they have deep pockets. Trump seems too pro-business to fight that fight, and so does the street-hunter thing instead. Bigly sad.
And Congress needs get off their butt and fund the hiring of more border guards. That's more effective than a wall. Tunnels and ladders will pop up. Again, both parties have made silly excuses not to fund guards in the past.
There are multiple entrenched special interests that collectively put up barriers (no pun int.) to real solutions.
Table-ized A.I.
There is no reason to draw all these incompetent programmers from the opposite half of the world. It's social engineering for a "world without whitey".
Heres my message to you H1-B income thieves: Go back to India and Pakistan. Without you I could ask for more money. It's my country, I don't give a shit about brown people, go tame a cobra or lay on a bed if nails, I don't care as long as you're not taking money out if my pocket.
start protesting, vote with your wallets, let Apple, Microsoft, Facebook etc. know that it is YOU they should hire, not someone from Europe or China or wherever.
Yeah, exactly. Buy from Samsung or Huawai instead.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
What with them being so 'intelligent' and 'wonderful', surely if we take all of the 'intelligent' people out of India (obviously not AFRICA, is it... LOL) then India will suffer?
Still, we can't allow ANY white person ANYWHERE on Earth to simply live in a WHITE country now, can we...
Why not?
I'd say the folks most nervous are the captains of tech who might actually have to employ tech talent and pay the going rate instead of importing H-1B tech slaves by the thousands.
I'm starting to think that Tim Cook is the worst CEO Apple's ever had. He was obviously brown-nosing Jobs to get the position. But ever since he's been there nothing about using Apple products had improved from my pov. Just today I just asked Siri to call Godaddy, and it replied, I don't know who your daddy is. And I asked it to open Google Maps Navigation and it said I don't have a app named google maps navigation. It's a new refurbished phone (because my original one bricked) so I thought maybe I had not downloaded it yet, and then there was the app right on the phone. Fuck that guy. That's on the phone that everybody praises.
The MAC o/s has gone totally feral and that Pages/Numbers crap is beyond belief in 2017. It would have been shit in 1995. Clearly Jobs didn't use a word processor or spreadsheet. Apple's going to fall hard.
I find many of my tech colleagues are nervous, probably stems from too much coffee.
The only thing that has happened is the outflow of work, not the inflow or increase of citizens hired.
Besides, Apple can be replaced by a more faithful company.
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