Despite Zillow's little disclaimer, which is designed to make all liability magically disappear for them, they are liable for real damages to this person, in the exact way their lawyer stated.
Who cares if the people of the US are losing freedom, and getting less value for their dollar, when there are corporations who will make extra money! I, for one, am proud to become "consumer cattle" for the benefit of an ever-shrinking number of trust fund brats!
He is quoted as saying "... create a huge amount of wealth for mankind and wipe out poverty". Are we sure he didn't mean "... create a huge amount of poverty and wipe out mankind" ??
At the end of the day, there are two schools of thought:
1. Outsourcing is good for the economy, because it increases purchasing power.
2. Outsourcing is bad for the economy, because it comes at the expense of American jobs.
While both statements are true, I personally believe the price we pay in lost middle-class jobs outweighs the fact that I can save $50 on a TV.
Other people disagree, and they're allowed to, and I still respect them and their opinion, because they're still good people, who formed their opinion based on what they believe is best.
People also can change their minds on this issue. Here's two scenario's I've seen play-out several times (yes, I oversimplified them for the sake of clarity and word count):
1. Pro-outsourcing person has their own job outsourced, and suddenly the lower price of goods is offset by their lack of disposable income. Now it doesn't matter that a company was able to shave a few dollars of the price, by using foreign call-centers. This person no longer has any money at all to buy it at any cost.
2. Anti-outsourcing person lands a decent job, and has disposable income. They like the extra purchasing-power. They might outwardly say they are against outsourcing, but you don't see them deliberately buying American.
I don't think there is a simply solution to this problem. Globalization is a very painful process for developed nations. It is a double-edged sword.
Just my two cents.
Very true. Even at the billionaire-level. "Laissez faire man! Get the government out of my multi-billion dollar corporation! Oh wait, there's an economic downturn??? Oh. We demand government stimulus, to help with our profits! We'll gladly lobby to run up the public debt for our private benefit!"
One incredibly smart person told me early on in my career, to take my best estimate and double it. Over the years, I've found that this estimate is usually closer to the truth, than the "best estimate" that I doubled.
I could have f**ked Yahoo into the ground, and I'd have gladly have done it for half of that. Where's the shareholder value in paying her double my rate?!?
pro tip:the second someone injects "Trump" or "Hillary" or "Obama", etc. into their non-political post, their post loses at least half of its credibility.
I live in suburban Charlotte, but in a heavily wooded neighborhood. Verizon is the only provider to have 4G service at my house, despite each carrier having a tower very near by. Somehow Verizon's signal gets through the trees (only 2 bars), where the other carriers just don't.
Over the years, I've been with T-Mobile, AT&T, and lastly, Verizon, whom I've been with for 10 years. All three of them excelled at charging an arm and a leg, and were never shy about letting me know all the new ways I can go into debt with them (I politely declined all of these "wonderful" opportunities)... but Verizon, despite costing the most by a hair, had the best coverage and reliability. I've been letting them pound me in the rear end, sans lube, for 10 years, and unless I move, I see this relationship continuing.
Textbooks are expensive, and should definitely be dealt with, if we want our country's future generations to be able to achieve higher education, but the real killer is tuition. While I was an in-state student, I saw my tuition quadruple from when I started in 1997, to when I finished my second degree in 2003. I did not receive 4x the education value for that additional price, nor were the facilities significantly upgraded. I never really knew why my tuition kept going up and up, until I read this article.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/0...
I would argue that it is *handy* to know that stuff, but not necessary as an applications developer these days. Little things like that separate the good developers from the average developers. But nobody working at the data structure level needs to know why certain types of transistors are better suited for different parts of different gates. Or even a few levels above that, and knowing Big Endian vs Little Endian, or knowing why floating point values might not be exact. Knowing that stuff might occasionally come in handy for a high-level developer, depending on what you're doing, but it definitely isn't necessary.
There are too many layers between the gate-level and very high-level programming, for one comp sci student to need to master all of them. The industry has grown to the point, where students have to specialize: business applications, chip design, scientific research, or whatever else. While I was leaving college, these different "paths" to ones IT degree were just being discussed, as an alternative to the traditional CS degree that I got, where I learned TTL, chip design, lots of math (same as the other engineering students), and high-level programming was just something you were expected to figure out by using C or C++ to complete assignments.
Fighting to legalize stealing has nothing to do with an open internet. I am very pro open internet, but am also against stealing. This guy has been abetting theft for years, and trying to spin things so he looks like the good guy. Trying to hitch his wagon to the fight for net neutrality doesn't make him right, or a saint. He's still a thief, and the fact that he's trying to represent the open internet movement diminishes the cause.
You remind me of this really cool older guy from my grad-school days, back in the early 2000's. I used to truly enjoy his stories, about actually hearing the relays click-and-clack on the early computers on board navy subs he was stationed on. That guy knew his stuff like nobody else, because he lived through the evolution of computing, and knew how it all worked, and why.
The Pirate Bay facilitates theft, which costs people jobs. Then they try to spin it like they're the good guys. I despise self-serving, profit-driven, anti-social corporate-backed legislation as much as the next guy, but stealing is still stealing, and abetting crime is still abetting crime. The Pirate Bay and its founders are not social justice warriors. They're just thieves.
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Despite Zillow's little disclaimer, which is designed to make all liability magically disappear for them, they are liable for real damages to this person, in the exact way their lawyer stated.
Who cares if the people of the US are losing freedom, and getting less value for their dollar, when there are corporations who will make extra money! I, for one, am proud to become "consumer cattle" for the benefit of an ever-shrinking number of trust fund brats!
He is quoted as saying "... create a huge amount of wealth for mankind and wipe out poverty". Are we sure he didn't mean "... create a huge amount of poverty and wipe out mankind" ??
well said
At the end of the day, there are two schools of thought: 1. Outsourcing is good for the economy, because it increases purchasing power. 2. Outsourcing is bad for the economy, because it comes at the expense of American jobs. While both statements are true, I personally believe the price we pay in lost middle-class jobs outweighs the fact that I can save $50 on a TV. Other people disagree, and they're allowed to, and I still respect them and their opinion, because they're still good people, who formed their opinion based on what they believe is best. People also can change their minds on this issue. Here's two scenario's I've seen play-out several times (yes, I oversimplified them for the sake of clarity and word count): 1. Pro-outsourcing person has their own job outsourced, and suddenly the lower price of goods is offset by their lack of disposable income. Now it doesn't matter that a company was able to shave a few dollars of the price, by using foreign call-centers. This person no longer has any money at all to buy it at any cost. 2. Anti-outsourcing person lands a decent job, and has disposable income. They like the extra purchasing-power. They might outwardly say they are against outsourcing, but you don't see them deliberately buying American. I don't think there is a simply solution to this problem. Globalization is a very painful process for developed nations. It is a double-edged sword. Just my two cents.
Your argument lost all of its teeth, the second you used the word "probably", instead of supplying facts.
you hit the nail on the head
Very true. Even at the billionaire-level. "Laissez faire man! Get the government out of my multi-billion dollar corporation! Oh wait, there's an economic downturn??? Oh. We demand government stimulus, to help with our profits! We'll gladly lobby to run up the public debt for our private benefit!"
One incredibly smart person told me early on in my career, to take my best estimate and double it. Over the years, I've found that this estimate is usually closer to the truth, than the "best estimate" that I doubled.
I could have f**ked Yahoo into the ground, and I'd have gladly have done it for half of that. Where's the shareholder value in paying her double my rate?!?
pro tip:the second someone injects "Trump" or "Hillary" or "Obama", etc. into their non-political post, their post loses at least half of its credibility.
I live in suburban Charlotte, but in a heavily wooded neighborhood. Verizon is the only provider to have 4G service at my house, despite each carrier having a tower very near by. Somehow Verizon's signal gets through the trees (only 2 bars), where the other carriers just don't.
Over the years, I've been with T-Mobile, AT&T, and lastly, Verizon, whom I've been with for 10 years. All three of them excelled at charging an arm and a leg, and were never shy about letting me know all the new ways I can go into debt with them (I politely declined all of these "wonderful" opportunities)... but Verizon, despite costing the most by a hair, had the best coverage and reliability. I've been letting them pound me in the rear end, sans lube, for 10 years, and unless I move, I see this relationship continuing.
Textbooks are expensive, and should definitely be dealt with, if we want our country's future generations to be able to achieve higher education, but the real killer is tuition. While I was an in-state student, I saw my tuition quadruple from when I started in 1997, to when I finished my second degree in 2003. I did not receive 4x the education value for that additional price, nor were the facilities significantly upgraded. I never really knew why my tuition kept going up and up, until I read this article. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/0...
Yes. So long as the left, right, and center all have the same freedoms.
man, just stop.
You know, you're allowed to disagree with the poster WITHOUT resorting to name-calling.
I would argue that it is *handy* to know that stuff, but not necessary as an applications developer these days. Little things like that separate the good developers from the average developers. But nobody working at the data structure level needs to know why certain types of transistors are better suited for different parts of different gates. Or even a few levels above that, and knowing Big Endian vs Little Endian, or knowing why floating point values might not be exact. Knowing that stuff might occasionally come in handy for a high-level developer, depending on what you're doing, but it definitely isn't necessary.
There are too many layers between the gate-level and very high-level programming, for one comp sci student to need to master all of them. The industry has grown to the point, where students have to specialize: business applications, chip design, scientific research, or whatever else. While I was leaving college, these different "paths" to ones IT degree were just being discussed, as an alternative to the traditional CS degree that I got, where I learned TTL, chip design, lots of math (same as the other engineering students), and high-level programming was just something you were expected to figure out by using C or C++ to complete assignments.
Fighting to legalize stealing has nothing to do with an open internet. I am very pro open internet, but am also against stealing. This guy has been abetting theft for years, and trying to spin things so he looks like the good guy. Trying to hitch his wagon to the fight for net neutrality doesn't make him right, or a saint. He's still a thief, and the fact that he's trying to represent the open internet movement diminishes the cause.
You remind me of this really cool older guy from my grad-school days, back in the early 2000's. I used to truly enjoy his stories, about actually hearing the relays click-and-clack on the early computers on board navy subs he was stationed on. That guy knew his stuff like nobody else, because he lived through the evolution of computing, and knew how it all worked, and why.
I tried, but I wound up spending 6 hours trying to navigate their automated phone menu system.
The Pirate Bay facilitates theft, which costs people jobs. Then they try to spin it like they're the good guys. I despise self-serving, profit-driven, anti-social corporate-backed legislation as much as the next guy, but stealing is still stealing, and abetting crime is still abetting crime. The Pirate Bay and its founders are not social justice warriors. They're just thieves.
What I want to know is, how much horrible, antisocial, and plain illegal shit does a company have to do, before it gets shut down?
This is nothing but anti Western propaganda.