Since operations within the cyber theater will require the application of minds more than the application of bodies, have standards for developing and maintaining the level of mental fitness (as in high stamina and a consistently high level of cognitive function, for example) required for the work in question been created?
An MBA inquiring about ETHICS?
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That's like a nun inquiring about ass dildos . . .
After a while, I have come to think of the computer as an extension of my mind . . . in the way that a powered exoskeleton would be an extension of the human body.
Something else to fuel the frequent imbecilic questions I get to deal with during the course of communicating with clients, most of which I answer with: "that is not an area of computing that I am interested in" only to notice that some folks equate one's level of computing knowledge with one's level of cracking/security knowledge. No entertaining/hollywoodish answer, not impressed. bah.
Yes everyone, let's all bicker and argue and jump down each other's throats, meanwhile Billy, Stevie, and the other suits are grinning that INFURIATINGLY smug fn suit grin, pleased to see all this.
CHILL THE F OUT AND STOP THE ANIMOSITY, THIS CAN ALL BE WORKED OUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED THUS FAR
Odds are we won't have the slightest idea what is going on inside a sophisticated AI. Even talking to such a machine, thus giving it influence, could be incredibly dangerous. Or incredibly cool. Unfortunately, there's no way to know for sure.
Absolutely. There are no metrics with which to create a paradigm that provides humans the level of control necessary for safety.
This is good news indeed, and I am QUITE glad to hear it.
Good Riddance.
If only they would indict him now, and get him to point his finger at X number of his fellow criminal suits . . . but that is too much to hope for I am afraid.
My, with news like these, one would almost dare be tempted to conclude that Good WILL eventually triumph over Evil.
Hooray!
Your reply illustrates how you totally missed what I wrote.
Comparing Windows and GNU/Linux is a waste of time.
Different strokes for different folks.
I am sick and tired of trashy stories such as this, and of astroturfers such as yourself.
Feel privileged that I even replied to the manifestation of ignorance that your post amounts to.
Am I the only/.'er that has concluded that we are seeing WAY too many of these types of stories on the front page? It feels as if all the slashdot-behind-the-scenes-people have straight up sold out to the MSFT astroturfers.
It's trash, it's bullshit, and it is not why I have visited/. daily for the last couple of years . . .
Would someone PLEASE private message me and tell me where everybody went? I would ditch/. in a heartbeat if only I knew where everyone went.
- used his employer's equipment for his personal project
- did not stand up to them when confronted with utter BS
- ended up working elsewhere anyway
Should have thought about whether or not he did indeed have the guts for it beforehand . . . that kind of reaction from the suits was to be ANTICIPATED.
Wondering which distro they are using, or whether they have rolled their own (and if so, whether their version is based on any particular distro or is their very own creation)
???
between the professional corporate programmer and the console cowboy, gcc hacking, linux uber geeks
Reality shows us that the "console cowboy, gcc hacking, linux uber geeks" have produced, produce, and will continue to produce technologically SUPERIOR software when compared to anything produced by the "professional corporate programmer".
"the most minimalist, zen-like, or spartan programming tools" are the very tools which have produced that which is more powerful than anything that CAN be produced with Visual Studio. See above link.
The "developer mindshare" among Linux geeks is comparatively low when weighed against, say the Windows platform and Visual Studio
Quantity is not synonymous with quality. It is those very point-and click-your-way-to-a-program "tools" such as VS which have made it possible for masses of folks (who would otherwise be in other fields) to piece together stuff for the windows platform.
I will leave the facts to be found at the above link as an exercise to the reader.
is how he attempts to underhandedly (by using a straw man - how pathetic) equate FOSS to the old hippie movement by saying that "If someone says Linux is about Love, Peace and Harmony, I would tell them to do their research." (as if FOSS ever HAD BEEN about "Love, Peace and Harmony" in the first place) in an attempt to place that impression (that of a movement which many believe failed in its goals) on the minds of those susceptible to emotional-message-is-enough-no-effort-at-thought tactics (most business types, whom MSFT targets as potential clients) . . . this leads me to conclude that he is being trained and coached within MSFT as - judging from the writing on his blog - he is most certainly not smart enough to concoct FUD of that magnitude on his own. Evidence of MSFTs desperation.
I find it interesting that he would make these statements in Asia. This is apparently a desperate grasping-at-straws attempt by MSFT to turn the tide, so to speak, in the Asian market, because I doubt that they thought this would not travel the planet, or that they were using Asia as an FUD testbed. Further evidence of MSFT's desperation.
I think it is likely that they will now attempt to accuse the journalist of misquoting Mr. Hilf, who should - by the way - be remembered for saying these things, after the long FUD campaign fails and MSFT spits him out.
This all makes me very happy. Fuck MSFT and all they stand for.
From my regrettable experience with business types, control is more important to them than money, with arrogance a notch lower on the list.
My opinion is that developers should indeed be compensated, and need to take a more actively aggressive stance in regards to this, not only at the license level but on an individual basis. This means behaving like an Alpha asshole, regardless of how excruciating and distasteful it may be - I personally feel as though I need a 3 hour shower after doing so, even over the phone.
Either way, there were makers and tinkerers long before there were suits, and there will be makers and tinkerers long after the suits are gone - or simply relegated to the role of anachronistic curiosities, much like monarchs and the church today, in spite of outward appearances.
An excellent post, one which reflects - and has articulated - my thoughts, feelings, and experiences.
Thank you Cervantes.
What I indeed needed to read right now - I have recently *FINALLY* broken free of the most unbelievably hideous monster of a human being, with an MBA, that anyone can possibly imagine. I kid you all not, the woman is morally, emotionally, and psychologically deformed beyond what even our powerful imaginations can fathom . . . and it talked so much trash about us tech and engineering types (while being a total MSFT groupie, even though it uses unlicensed products at its company, a small shop that pulls in up to 600K a month, go figure) that I got half a mind to post its contact information in hopes that folks will get in touch and let it know how they feel . . . but I won't, even though I got burned pretty bad . . . something or someone HAS to take care of that, someday . . .
Fellows, I will repeat what has been said and written many times before:
You Jack, are not only an ASSHOLE, you are an ignorant SOB - and it shows. Out of the total number of PC's that come in for repair to most PC repair shops, just how many of them have "a reversed floppy cable, incorrect jumpers on the hard drives, nonsense BIOS settings and a disconnected 4-pin ATX plug" - just how many? MOST Windows boxes have Windows problems (I will assume you do know what those are) and/or power supply problems. This is from experience, and I lasted more than a day, more than months, solved every problem brought before me - but this is back when I had to fix boxes for a living, not anymore. I know your kind. You have no degree - and you will never have one. If you did, you would not be fixing boxes for a living. Having no degree, you automatically assume that folks who do are "cocky" about it - way you would be if you had one - and now you must "knock them off their high horse" . . . which is why you have gone to such great lengths to both set up your little "degrade others to boost my own failing self esteem" system, and post all about it - nauseatingly pathetic. I would bet you have not given any of the victims more than a few minutes to work on your little bullshit test rig, standing there the whole time, glaring at them, running your mouth to where they can't hear themselves think - as if paying clients would be doing the exact same thing . . . boy, just where and how do they breed "people" like you?
I feel very sad after reading about this - and my thoughts are with the families and friends of those killed and injured.
How depressing.
What a waste.
What I want to add is that - from what I have personally seen - laws restricing firearms are not very helpful. I currently live in the Republic of Colombia, where not only are there very tight restrictions on civilian firearm ownership, there are very harsh penalties in place for violating those laws. Firearms are also ridiculously expensive, whether being legally sold by the Government or illegally by civilians. Darn near everywhere you go down here (the movies, clubs, and on the road) you get patted down for guns, by private security, cops, or soldiers.
From what I have read about the topic, Colombia has had the dubious honor of having the highest murder rate in the world during many, many years.
Two of my cousins have been murdered, one was shot. An acquaintance of mine was murdered - shot. Granny's cleaning lady, her son, was murdered - shot.
I have personally seen the aftermath scenes of several shootings.
Have laws helped? Apparently not.
I agree with previous posters in that PEOPLE NEED TO BE NICE TO ONE ANOTHER - or at least civil.
People down here, for instance, are not nice - and the results are all over the local news, every single day.
What I aim to express with this post is that, from personal observation, laws do not make much difference - education and civil behavior make a difference.
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General,
Since operations within the cyber theater will require the application of minds more than the application of bodies, have standards for developing and maintaining the level of mental fitness (as in high stamina and a consistently high level of cognitive function, for example) required for the work in question been created?
That's like a nun inquiring about ass dildos . . .
After a while, I have come to think of the computer as an extension of my mind . . . in the way that a powered exoskeleton would be an extension of the human body.
Something else to fuel the frequent imbecilic questions I get to deal with during the course of communicating with clients, most of which I answer with: "that is not an area of computing that I am interested in" only to notice that some folks equate one's level of computing knowledge with one's level of cracking/security knowledge. No entertaining/hollywoodish answer, not impressed. bah.
Personally, I found "Beginning Ubuntu Linux: From Novice to Professional" to be pretty good.
(Laughing Maniacally)
and top it with cement
Allow me to join you
/. chorus!
Let's have us a
Ok, this is what I had been waiting for . . .
.
HHOOOORRRRRAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
That was the last nail in their coffin. Now someone needs to shut the lid (when their stock is delisted) and bury it . .
This makes me oh so happy.
Victory!
Yes everyone, let's all bicker and argue and jump down each other's throats, meanwhile Billy, Stevie, and the other suits are grinning that INFURIATINGLY smug fn suit grin, pleased to see all this.
CHILL THE F OUT AND STOP THE ANIMOSITY, THIS CAN ALL BE WORKED OUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED THUS FAR
Absolutely. There are no metrics with which to create a paradigm that provides humans the level of control necessary for safety.
This is good news indeed, and I am QUITE glad to hear it. Good Riddance. If only they would indict him now, and get him to point his finger at X number of his fellow criminal suits . . . but that is too much to hope for I am afraid. My, with news like these, one would almost dare be tempted to conclude that Good WILL eventually triumph over Evil. Hooray!
Yeah, I am supposed to RESPECT them, after all they have done to ME, MY TRIBE, AND COUNTLESS OTHERS.
."
I F'N HATE THAT BS suit game: "we rob you and cheat you, BUT we didn't POKE FUN AT YOU, so you have NO RIGHT to poke fun at US . .
F*** THAT
F*** THAT
break out the champagne, however, you literally never know with these things . . . other than that reserved optimism, I say: HOOORRAAAYYYY
Your reply illustrates how you totally missed what I wrote. Comparing Windows and GNU/Linux is a waste of time. Different strokes for different folks. I am sick and tired of trashy stories such as this, and of astroturfers such as yourself. Feel privileged that I even replied to the manifestation of ignorance that your post amounts to.
Am I the only /.'er that has concluded that we are seeing WAY too many of these types of stories on the front page? It feels as if all the slashdot-behind-the-scenes-people have straight up sold out to the MSFT astroturfers.
It's trash, it's bullshit, and it is not why I have visited /. daily for the last couple of years . . .
Would someone PLEASE private message me and tell me where everybody went? I would ditch /. in a heartbeat if only I knew where everyone went.
how the fellow:
- used his employer's equipment for his personal project
- did not stand up to them when confronted with utter BS
- ended up working elsewhere anyway
Should have thought about whether or not he did indeed have the guts for it beforehand . . . that kind of reaction from the suits was to be ANTICIPATED.
Bullseye. I agree 100%, based on my own experience. Wish I had the mod points . . .
Wondering which distro they are using, or whether they have rolled their own (and if so, whether their version is based on any particular distro or is their very own creation) ???
between the professional corporate programmer and the console cowboy, gcc hacking, linux uber geeks
Reality shows us that the "console cowboy, gcc hacking, linux uber geeks" have produced, produce, and will continue to produce technologically SUPERIOR software when compared to anything produced by the "professional corporate programmer".
http://www.top500.org/stats/28/osfam/
"the most minimalist, zen-like, or spartan programming tools" are the very tools which have produced that which is more powerful than anything that CAN be produced with Visual Studio. See above link.
The "developer mindshare" among Linux geeks is comparatively low when weighed against, say the Windows platform and Visual Studio
Quantity is not synonymous with quality. It is those very point-and click-your-way-to-a-program "tools" such as VS which have made it possible for masses of folks (who would otherwise be in other fields) to piece together stuff for the windows platform.
I will leave the facts to be found at the above link as an exercise to the reader.
is how he attempts to underhandedly (by using a straw man - how pathetic) equate FOSS to the old hippie movement by saying that "If someone says Linux is about Love, Peace and Harmony, I would tell them to do their research." (as if FOSS ever HAD BEEN about "Love, Peace and Harmony" in the first place) in an attempt to place that impression (that of a movement which many believe failed in its goals) on the minds of those susceptible to emotional-message-is-enough-no-effort-at-thought tactics (most business types, whom MSFT targets as potential clients) . . . this leads me to conclude that he is being trained and coached within MSFT as - judging from the writing on his blog - he is most certainly not smart enough to concoct FUD of that magnitude on his own. Evidence of MSFTs desperation.
I find it interesting that he would make these statements in Asia. This is apparently a desperate grasping-at-straws attempt by MSFT to turn the tide, so to speak, in the Asian market, because I doubt that they thought this would not travel the planet, or that they were using Asia as an FUD testbed. Further evidence of MSFT's desperation.
I think it is likely that they will now attempt to accuse the journalist of misquoting Mr. Hilf, who should - by the way - be remembered for saying these things, after the long FUD campaign fails and MSFT spits him out.
This all makes me very happy. Fuck MSFT and all they stand for.
I second that motion.
I want to see them, and all the other suits who stand with them and behind them, HUMILLIATED.
Add to this Bill Hilf recently stating that:
"The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007. Even Linus has got a job today." and their desperation is OBVIOUS.
I love it.
Absolutely - wish I had mod points for your post.
From my regrettable experience with business types, control is more important to them than money, with arrogance a notch lower on the list.
My opinion is that developers should indeed be compensated, and need to take a more actively aggressive stance in regards to this, not only at the license level but on an individual basis. This means behaving like an Alpha asshole, regardless of how excruciating and distasteful it may be - I personally feel as though I need a 3 hour shower after doing so, even over the phone.
Either way, there were makers and tinkerers long before there were suits, and there will be makers and tinkerers long after the suits are gone - or simply relegated to the role of anachronistic curiosities, much like monarchs and the church today, in spite of outward appearances.
An excellent post, one which reflects - and has articulated - my thoughts, feelings, and experiences.
Thank you Cervantes.
What I indeed needed to read right now - I have recently *FINALLY* broken free of the most unbelievably hideous monster of a human being, with an MBA, that anyone can possibly imagine.
I kid you all not, the woman is morally, emotionally, and psychologically deformed beyond what even our powerful imaginations can fathom . . . and it talked so much trash about us tech and engineering types (while being a total MSFT groupie, even though it uses unlicensed products at its company, a small shop that pulls in up to 600K a month, go figure) that I got half a mind to post its contact information in hopes that folks will get in touch and let it know how they feel . . . but I won't, even though I got burned pretty bad . . . something or someone HAS to take care of that, someday . . .
Fellows, I will repeat what has been said and written many times before:
***NEVER TRUST A GODDAMN SUIT***
Ever.
Not for one second.
You Jack, are not only an ASSHOLE, you are an ignorant SOB - and it shows.
Out of the total number of PC's that come in for repair to most PC repair shops, just how many of them have "a reversed floppy cable, incorrect jumpers on the hard drives, nonsense BIOS settings and a disconnected 4-pin ATX plug" - just how many? MOST Windows boxes have Windows problems (I will assume you do know what those are) and/or power supply problems. This is from experience, and I lasted more than a day, more than months, solved every problem brought before me - but this is back when I had to fix boxes for a living, not anymore.
I know your kind. You have no degree - and you will never have one. If you did, you would not be fixing boxes for a living. Having no degree, you automatically assume that folks who do are "cocky" about it - way you would be if you had one - and now you must "knock them off their high horse" . . . which is why you have gone to such great lengths to both set up your little "degrade others to boost my own failing self esteem" system, and post all about it - nauseatingly pathetic.
I would bet you have not given any of the victims more than a few minutes to work on your little bullshit test rig, standing there the whole time, glaring at them, running your mouth to where they can't hear themselves think - as if paying clients would be doing the exact same thing . . . boy, just where and how do they breed "people" like you?
I feel very sad after reading about this - and my thoughts are with the families and friends of those killed and injured.
How depressing.
What a waste.
What I want to add is that - from what I have personally seen - laws restricing firearms are not very helpful. I currently live in the Republic of Colombia, where not only are there very tight restrictions on civilian firearm ownership, there are very harsh penalties in place for violating those laws. Firearms are also ridiculously expensive, whether being legally sold by the Government or illegally by civilians.
Darn near everywhere you go down here (the movies, clubs, and on the road) you get patted down for guns, by private security, cops, or soldiers.
From what I have read about the topic, Colombia has had the dubious honor of having the highest murder rate in the world during many, many years.
Two of my cousins have been murdered, one was shot.
An acquaintance of mine was murdered - shot.
Granny's cleaning lady, her son, was murdered - shot.
I have personally seen the aftermath scenes of several shootings.
Have laws helped? Apparently not.
I agree with previous posters in that PEOPLE NEED TO BE NICE TO ONE ANOTHER - or at least civil.
People down here, for instance, are not nice - and the results are all over the local news, every single day.
What I aim to express with this post is that, from personal observation, laws do not make much difference - education and civil behavior make a difference.
MRH