If SCO did win, it would most likely be on the contract claims, not the copyright ones. Since IBM owns the copyrights on their own code, they wouldn't be violating SCO copyrights, but just be in breach of contract. IBM would be liable for damages, but none of us would.
You mean that is what SCO is doing. IBM has delayed once in the trial, and that was because Judge Wells ordered a massive amount of discovery to be delivered in an unreasonable time frame.
Stick someone whom has never used a computer before and tell them they need to use Internet Explorer to find a Windows program and Synaptic to find a linux program. I'm willing to bet Synaptic will come out first.
Ummm, how is that fucking with the system? You mean, if I am thouroughly disgusted with a company and its ethics, I should still buy from them?
For instance, I don't purchase MS products because I don't like the ethics of the company. I don't run around calling them evil, I just simply take my business elsewhere. How am i fucking the system??? Explain that to me please, I'd really like to know how.
Now if I ran around telling everyone MS had employees working in sweatshops, then not only is that libel and slander, but I would be "fucking the system" (I don't even know what you mean by that).
As far as I'm concerned, you telling people how to spend there money is fucking the system too.
Well, I'll be honest, I never actually took the aviation courses, but from what the principal of the school told us back when I was in Grade 9 and we were doing the tour of the high school, he said it was more to test designs and stuff like that. I don't think the course was actually pilot training. And it definately wasn't military training. I never was interested in that kind of stuff, I stuck mainly with the academic courses.
Plus, the Liberals steal our money anyways, what's a million dollar flight simulator to them?:-P
I can totally understand where you are coming from there. I think the entire education system needs an overhaul.
We were lucky in my school. My high school had tons of academic courses, and also tons of vocational courses. Hell, we even had a real flight simulator granted by the Canadian government. We had hair training courses. Almost everything you can think of.
Still, some kids didn't like the environment and the methods of teaching and everyone suffered because of it.
I sort of agree with you. I know when I was in high school I didn't have a problem (I'm not really tough myself, but my friends were the people you don't want to fuck with), but I would literally see kids picked on like I described and the teachers would literally run out for a smoke break, even though they knew it was going to happen. We have an actual police officer stationed in each high school in my city, and he seemed to think chasing kids smoking joints was more important than stopping knife fights across the street. And its not like the cop didn't know, most of these fights in my school were public knowledge for days before they happened (yes, Canadians can be really fucked sometimes:-P ).
The problem in Canada at least is the teachers, and all education employees, are burned out and just don't care anymore. I had a total of 2 teachers in high school who really cared about their students. I'm not a teachers pet, but they were really cool people. The rest couldn't have cared less.
Hey all. What we need to do is instead of just sitting on Slashdot discussing the problem, make the counsellors and principals and parents realize that this problem exists and make them pull their heads out of their asses. What I have done is taken the very first comment on this page (the one I am replying to right now), which was EXTREMELY insightful btw, and have made a nice PDF out of it. I am making an anonymous hotmail account and emailing this to my guidance councellor.
I suggest everyone else do the same.
I myself am sort of a mixture of some sort. I am friends with all of the "cool kids". I smoke pot with them. I get so drunk I can barely see straight.
I also run Linux on my desktop at home and read Slashdot. So I know how things are on both sides of the fence.
At school, the bigger kids used to pick on me. Then I would pick on the even weaker. I did this until shortly after I read a commentary similar to these ones about Columbine.
Ever since that day, I'm the person who is always telling my own friends to fuck off and leave the nerdy kid ive never met before alone. Most of the people who pick on other kids do it to fit in (at least I did), so that they aren't put in the "geek's" shoes. They want to fit in with the other bullies.
The thing that fucking pisses me off, is that the Teachers have the power to stop this, and they just don't care. They know little Johnny gets beat up every day at Lunch, yet they would rather run off for a smoke break instead of letting him work on homework in the classroom during Lunch, or even just watching him from afar. Some other kids beat the living shit out of another "geek" and get suspended for a few days. That little geek brings a pocket knife to school to try and be cool and fit in with the popular people, and he gets expelled and a letter sent home for it.
Columbine, while being a complete and utter tragedy, was also a glowing oppurtunity. If only stories like this, and comments like the first one for this story, were posted on the front page of the newspaper, instead of fucking stupid articles like "Are Violent Video Games Going to Make Your Kid Kill?", maybe all of the bullies, teachers and principals would realize that those students died not only because of the two "crazy kids" but because of people like themselves. That the principals at Columbine, the teachers, the counsellors, the parents of the killers, are owed just as much blame as the killers themselves. That this mass murder was the fault of Society and not the fault of the "nerds". It could have made all of the difference in the world, even if it only saved one kid from being bullied. But instead of taking advantage of this oppurtunity, America (and Canada where I live, as well as numerous other countries) instead went on an all-out witch-hunt, while being so incredibly naive...and, well, downright fucking stupid....that they just made the problem worse.
So I say everyone print off the first comment for this article and make sure as many people as possible see it.
What's your arguement?
That we should have patents on service and business practises?
That because the software industry has moved to service we should patent software?
None of your arguements make any sense
Yes, and where is the source code for those games? You'll need it to port it to the Cell processor.
Open Source works for many things (kernels, web browsers, etc.) where tiny little inconsistencies between, say, Red Hat's and SUSE's versions don't matter.
Imagine if Doom 3 was open source with each distro bundling it and modifying the story a bit. Or the cheat codes.
Sorry, should have previewed. The comment should look like this.
From the Preamble of the GPL:
Finally, any free program is threatened constantly by software patents. We wish to avoid the danger that redistributors of a free program will individually obtain patent licenses, in effect making the program proprietary. To prevent this, we have made it clear that any patent must be licensed for everyone's free use or not licensed at all.
And a clause from the GPL:
7. If, as a consequence of a court judgment or allegation of patent infringement or for any other reason (not limited to patent issues), conditions are imposed on you (whether by court order, agreement or otherwise) that contradict the conditions of this License, they do not excuse you from the conditions of this License. If you cannot distribute so as to satisfy simultaneously your obligations under this License and any other pertinent obligations, then as a consequence you may not distribute the Program at all. For example, if a patent license would not permit royalty-free redistribution of the Program by all those who receive copies directly or indirectly through you, then the only way you could satisfy both it and this License would be to refrain entirely from distribution of the Program.
In other words, if that patent arrangement with MS did not allow, say, Mandrake to also redistribute the software, then Novell and Red Hat have just violated the GPL and have lost their rights to distribute SAMBA. Please research before speaking.
From the Preamble of the GPL:
Finally, any free program is threatened constantly by software patents. We wish to avoid the danger that redistributors of a free program will individually obtain patent licenses, in effect making the program proprietary. To prevent this, we have made it clear that any patent must be licensed for everyone's free use or not licensed at all.
And a clause from the GPL:
7. If, as a consequence of a court judgment or allegation of patent infringement or for any other reason (not limited to patent issues), conditions are imposed on you (whether by court order, agreement or otherwise) that contradict the conditions of this License, they do not excuse you from the conditions of this License. If you cannot distribute so as to satisfy simultaneously your obligations under this License and any other pertinent obligations, then as a consequence you may not distribute the Program at all. For example, if a patent license would not permit royalty-free redistribution of the Program by all those who receive copies directly or indirectly through you, then the only way you could satisfy both it and this License would be to refrain entirely from distribution of the Program.
In other words, if that patent arrangement with MS did not allow, say, Mandrake to also redistribute the software, then Novell and Red Hat have just violated the GPL and have lost their rights to distribute SAMBA. Please research before speaking.
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If SCO did win, it would most likely be on the contract claims, not the copyright ones. Since IBM owns the copyrights on their own code, they wouldn't be violating SCO copyrights, but just be in breach of contract. IBM would be liable for damages, but none of us would.
You do realize SCO is going to file a lawsuit against you now right? You just stole their valuable intellectual property.
Don't you know Darl has a job lined up as a Comedian when this whole thing is over?
Be prepared to have them file suit and then delay for 4 years (they like keeping their shareholders in suspense)
You mean that is what SCO is doing. IBM has delayed once in the trial, and that was because Judge Wells ordered a massive amount of discovery to be delivered in an unreasonable time frame.
Stick someone whom has never used a computer before and tell them they need to use Internet Explorer to find a Windows program and Synaptic to find a linux program. I'm willing to bet Synaptic will come out first.
what about clippy, the homosexual paper-clip that pops up every 30 seconds on older versions of word? Oh, remember Microsoft BOB?
whoops, I'm afraid I'm a bit daft here, not missing sarcasm :-P. I meant to reply to the parent comment.
Ummm, how is that fucking with the system? You mean, if I am thouroughly disgusted with a company and its ethics, I should still buy from them? For instance, I don't purchase MS products because I don't like the ethics of the company. I don't run around calling them evil, I just simply take my business elsewhere. How am i fucking the system??? Explain that to me please, I'd really like to know how. Now if I ran around telling everyone MS had employees working in sweatshops, then not only is that libel and slander, but I would be "fucking the system" (I don't even know what you mean by that). As far as I'm concerned, you telling people how to spend there money is fucking the system too.
Well, I'll be honest, I never actually took the aviation courses, but from what the principal of the school told us back when I was in Grade 9 and we were doing the tour of the high school, he said it was more to test designs and stuff like that. I don't think the course was actually pilot training. And it definately wasn't military training. I never was interested in that kind of stuff, I stuck mainly with the academic courses.
:-P
Plus, the Liberals steal our money anyways, what's a million dollar flight simulator to them?
I can totally understand where you are coming from there. I think the entire education system needs an overhaul. We were lucky in my school. My high school had tons of academic courses, and also tons of vocational courses. Hell, we even had a real flight simulator granted by the Canadian government. We had hair training courses. Almost everything you can think of. Still, some kids didn't like the environment and the methods of teaching and everyone suffered because of it.
I sort of agree with you. I know when I was in high school I didn't have a problem (I'm not really tough myself, but my friends were the people you don't want to fuck with), but I would literally see kids picked on like I described and the teachers would literally run out for a smoke break, even though they knew it was going to happen. We have an actual police officer stationed in each high school in my city, and he seemed to think chasing kids smoking joints was more important than stopping knife fights across the street. And its not like the cop didn't know, most of these fights in my school were public knowledge for days before they happened (yes, Canadians can be really fucked sometimes :-P ).
The problem in Canada at least is the teachers, and all education employees, are burned out and just don't care anymore. I had a total of 2 teachers in high school who really cared about their students. I'm not a teachers pet, but they were really cool people. The rest couldn't have cared less.
Hey all. What we need to do is instead of just sitting on Slashdot discussing the problem, make the counsellors and principals and parents realize that this problem exists and make them pull their heads out of their asses. What I have done is taken the very first comment on this page (the one I am replying to right now), which was EXTREMELY insightful btw, and have made a nice PDF out of it. I am making an anonymous hotmail account and emailing this to my guidance councellor.
I suggest everyone else do the same.
I myself am sort of a mixture of some sort. I am friends with all of the "cool kids". I smoke pot with them. I get so drunk I can barely see straight.
I also run Linux on my desktop at home and read Slashdot. So I know how things are on both sides of the fence.
At school, the bigger kids used to pick on me. Then I would pick on the even weaker. I did this until shortly after I read a commentary similar to these ones about Columbine.
Ever since that day, I'm the person who is always telling my own friends to fuck off and leave the nerdy kid ive never met before alone. Most of the people who pick on other kids do it to fit in (at least I did), so that they aren't put in the "geek's" shoes. They want to fit in with the other bullies.
The thing that fucking pisses me off, is that the Teachers have the power to stop this, and they just don't care. They know little Johnny gets beat up every day at Lunch, yet they would rather run off for a smoke break instead of letting him work on homework in the classroom during Lunch, or even just watching him from afar. Some other kids beat the living shit out of another "geek" and get suspended for a few days. That little geek brings a pocket knife to school to try and be cool and fit in with the popular people, and he gets expelled and a letter sent home for it.
Columbine, while being a complete and utter tragedy, was also a glowing oppurtunity. If only stories like this, and comments like the first one for this story, were posted on the front page of the newspaper, instead of fucking stupid articles like "Are Violent Video Games Going to Make Your Kid Kill?", maybe all of the bullies, teachers and principals would realize that those students died not only because of the two "crazy kids" but because of people like themselves. That the principals at Columbine, the teachers, the counsellors, the parents of the killers, are owed just as much blame as the killers themselves. That this mass murder was the fault of Society and not the fault of the "nerds". It could have made all of the difference in the world, even if it only saved one kid from being bullied. But instead of taking advantage of this oppurtunity, America (and Canada where I live, as well as numerous other countries) instead went on an all-out witch-hunt, while being so incredibly naive...and, well, downright fucking stupid....that they just made the problem worse.
So I say everyone print off the first comment for this article and make sure as many people as possible see it.
In the world I live in, Macromedia Flash and Sun Java are two very different products. Which planet are you from?
What's your arguement? That we should have patents on service and business practises? That because the software industry has moved to service we should patent software? None of your arguements make any sense
Yes, and where is the source code for those games? You'll need it to port it to the Cell processor.
Open Source works for many things (kernels, web browsers, etc.) where tiny little inconsistencies between, say, Red Hat's and SUSE's versions don't matter.
Imagine if Doom 3 was open source with each distro bundling it and modifying the story a bit. Or the cheat codes.
Sorry, should have previewed. The comment should look like this.
From the Preamble of the GPL:
Finally, any free program is threatened constantly by software patents. We wish to avoid the danger that redistributors of a free program will individually obtain patent licenses, in effect making the program proprietary. To prevent this, we have made it clear that any patent must be licensed for everyone's free use or not licensed at all.
And a clause from the GPL:
7. If, as a consequence of a court judgment or allegation of patent infringement or for any other reason (not limited to patent issues), conditions are imposed on you (whether by court order, agreement or otherwise) that contradict the conditions of this License, they do not excuse you from the conditions of this License. If you cannot distribute so as to satisfy simultaneously your obligations under this License and any other pertinent obligations, then as a consequence you may not distribute the Program at all. For example, if a patent license would not permit royalty-free redistribution of the Program by all those who receive copies directly or indirectly through you, then the only way you could satisfy both it and this License would be to refrain entirely from distribution of the Program.
In other words, if that patent arrangement with MS did not allow, say, Mandrake to also redistribute the software, then Novell and Red Hat have just violated the GPL and have lost their rights to distribute SAMBA. Please research before speaking.
From the Preamble of the GPL: Finally, any free program is threatened constantly by software patents. We wish to avoid the danger that redistributors of a free program will individually obtain patent licenses, in effect making the program proprietary. To prevent this, we have made it clear that any patent must be licensed for everyone's free use or not licensed at all. And a clause from the GPL: 7. If, as a consequence of a court judgment or allegation of patent infringement or for any other reason (not limited to patent issues), conditions are imposed on you (whether by court order, agreement or otherwise) that contradict the conditions of this License, they do not excuse you from the conditions of this License. If you cannot distribute so as to satisfy simultaneously your obligations under this License and any other pertinent obligations, then as a consequence you may not distribute the Program at all. For example, if a patent license would not permit royalty-free redistribution of the Program by all those who receive copies directly or indirectly through you, then the only way you could satisfy both it and this License would be to refrain entirely from distribution of the Program. In other words, if that patent arrangement with MS did not allow, say, Mandrake to also redistribute the software, then Novell and Red Hat have just violated the GPL and have lost their rights to distribute SAMBA. Please research before speaking.