it's neither... the problem lies in the double standard. you know how it works, laws are passed to prevent bad stuff(tm), most people will go on and do bad stuff(tm) and the police won't care, while they will bug to no end the only good guys(tm) that are left. because they're so much easier to pester and tend not to shoot on sight.
(on a different note: alteredo is a great idea, every other civilized country in the world has had this kind of service forever... it was about time milan woke up and followed suit)
I see, if it had been your black or whatever brothers, it would have been OK... Well I don't think I'm going to beg forgiveness because I am white, you racist bastard.
The funny thing is, your definition of "equality" includes robbing me of what I have thanks to the had work I do. Talk about hypocricy.
WTF! That's just... cruel and stupid! What do they think they're doing? Besides, they'd better keep their eyes open and be on their toes because someone is going to beat the crap out of them sooner or later. For instance if I had been the guy with the white car, you can bet I'd have been fighting like hell: I'd have thought someone was attacking me from behind NAD stealing my phone at the same time. In such a situation I'd be pretty violent. Not being able to see well... a nice elbow in the face would have been a good choice!
Stupid, really stupid.
Wrong guess, I'm from the EU. My understading of copyright law in a foreign country a few Km away from me is not that bad, especially when I've been reading a bit about it. What you and your trolling friends refuse to admit is that TPB encourages and facilitates sharing copyrighted material. I will continue to use it no matter what Swedish law says (is it OK, is it not? Like I care...) but I will NOT kid myself into believing that TPB knows nothing about the Windows ISOs you can download thanks to their portal. The post I replied to was trying to get away with a ridiculous technicality which didn't make any sense, that's why I compared to another nonsensical one.
The police raid of TPB (at the direction of the United States) is widely believed to have been illegal under the laws of the country in which the raid took place. Attempting to applying U.S. legal theory to the situation does not magically change the jurisdiction.
Yeah, so what? I don't care about the raid, I am simply pointing out that TPB is happy to help with piracy. They don't host the material, OK. They're in the clear wrt Swedish law, OK. So what? It does not mean you can pretend that piracy does not take place thanks to their portal. Then if their law allows this, more power to them.
Why does the United States and some of its citizens believe respecting the sovereignty of nations is optional?
I don't know, ask an American. In the meantime, were you in favour or against the bombing raids on Milosevic? What do you think of regulating the activity of farmers in my country so that the farmers in yours get a better/worse ROI? And I could make countless examples... Don't believe Europe is immune to this kind of games. The USA are definitely not alone.
Don't you realize this will turn around and bite you in the ass someday? I am as bad a pirate as they come, but please... "Exactly which law makes torrent files illegal?" is as stupid a question as "Exactly which law makes operating a finger on a trigger illegal?". Well nobody condems the act of pulling the trigger on a gun; if somebody gets killed as a consequence, though, I think you won't find it absurd that the police is involved. Just the same applies here. We all know a good part of the stuff distributed THANKS TO TPB was illegal (we might discuss the logic behind making distribution of copyrighted material illegal, but as it stands it IS illegal) so please, protest the illegality of the seize, protest what you want but don't go around shaking a stick at people and screaming "Ah, but I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!". You know, officer, I didn't kill this guy, and anyway what law prevents me from using my finger?
The way to fight piracy would be to sue the hundreds/thousands TBP *users* that live in EU or USA and that *could* be sued, not to take down a replaceable server with dubious means
Oh yeah taking the server down was utterly stupid. I had misunderstood your point...
Sueing TPB users in batches of 1000 might yeald better results on the short term. Recently some 100's guys in Germany were sued for sharing more then 500 files on Emule - that scared me much more then this TPB operation did. But in the long run, I think an all-out war on piracy waged by the *AA would only drive piracy were it couldn't be prosecuted anymore: way, way underground. Cypto, Tor, Freenet, mesh networks... good luck going after pirates out THERE! The *AA stand no chance - in a few years piracy will be virtually unstoppable. Maybe by then producers will have realized that the best way to have someone do something is to operate on the related market(s). Maybe work on the prices, or the quality, or both, of content.
Ugh. I think that, considering everything she has done, she is to be considered "good" no matter what amount of christian-inspired mistakes she can have made.
I support usage of condoms but I don't think I compare even remotely to Theresa on the "helping your fellowmen" scale. It'd be like saying I'm better than Bill G. because I support free software (every now and then) and he doesn't. Unfortunately, I am not funding 90% of the world's budget for the fight against polio and I do not run the world's biggest charity foundation.
It's as fishy as they come ("I'm not touching you! AH-AH!") but you can't claim it's useless: it's one of the biggest torrent sites and they have daily users in the tens/hundreds of thousands. SOMEBODY must find it useful:). If you were argiung that it would be unnecessary if only movies were not so expensive and there were a legal download system... even then, cheap people would find a use for TPB sites (I, for one:P)
The competitor I worry about most is Microsoft, Chezen said,
which is the reason why I'm going to make sure NOT to compete by, oh I don't know, actually having a superior platform; rather, I will sue and hope for the best.
Jeez how detestable... They better sue Openoffice.org and every other piece of software out there that exports to PDF before the whole industry sees through their hypocrisy. Besides... Adobe has the best PDF suite out there. Anybody who works with PDF is using it and not switching to Office just because it exports to PDF now. Or do you really think that exporting is what matters? Hell no. There have always been free pieces of software that enabled you to export to PDF, yet professionals paid the price for Acrobat and related plug-ins, and for a reason: it's a bloody good software.
But hey this is MS and they'll probably settle and pay a decent chunk of money to Adobe. Shareholders of Adobe and Macromedia, rejoice! Billy G. will foot your bill this year.
Well, it depends. Some people would define "worse" as "I have to do this sudo thing before I can install or update a program". I don't find it a nuisance... actually I do, but it's very small and there is no way around it unless you run as root, which is a much bigger nuisance. But really, some people are not willing to put up with this kind of things so even the most basic security measures are going to upset them.
Well, even if I told you all the details there would be no way for you to check. So please be happy, everything is fine, everybody who disagrees with you is a piece of shite and you're always right.
Must be so easy to live in the world where all the communists apparently hang out together. No questions, no thinking, a few easy targets, well defined enemies... what's more to ask?
It's a rule entrenched in total freedom and it has everything to do with justice - you attack me, I kill you.
And exactly because life does not come with guarantees, I will do *my* best to ensure myself a safe life - which include safety from lowlife and sticking to my guns... literally.
You misunderstood my "I want to be able to defend myself and my stuff" for "OMG crime is rampant whatamigonnado i need bigger gunz LOLBBQ!!!one".
It's true that I don't have my door kicked down every day and to be honest I have witnessed violent crimes only VERY rarely (that's because in my country there is a *sane* crime rate). That does not mean that it never happens: over the course of my life my house was robbed twice, and twice did someone enter it with the intention to steal but was driven away (once by my raging dog, once by the fact that they themselves were not really convinced they wanted to steal...)
Still, you point out that "hiding behind a gun beacuse of an irrational fear is statistically the most dangerous"; well, call me stupid but fear DOES come from weakness and I am weak when confronted with some armed thug, if all I have are my hands. So, having a gun is dangerous - well duh, it was meant to be a weapon, you kill people with it - but I don't see you proposing a novel way to face crime and at the same time avoid any and all dangers. The police are useless (when they are not downright criminal) and I am vulnerable - yet you want to prevent me access to weapons. How about you come up with a solution?
In the meantime I am getting a gun. They are difficult to have in my country, but it's possible. When you can guarantee that noone on earth can harm me, I will give up my weapons. Oh and if you could do that without turning the world into a police state, that would be great.
Congratulations! Thanks to your idiocy, now I can: break down your door, enter your house, steal everything I can and walk out, all without you having any right to stop me, because I am not pointing a gun at you. You must be really loved by criminals.
We are not putting the freaking guy under trial, the judge has already done his work... Even if he were a serial kiler the point stands that saying "murder is always wrong" is completely false because there can be instances when it's OK to go on and kill. In order to make my point clearer, I made an example, but the details would have been tedious. That's why I left them out. Anyway, if you are curious, it went like this: criminal breaks into the shop using a mace to shatter the security window, proceeds to threaten father &son, etc etc. F&S are bloody angry because it's the third time they are robbed already and choose not to give him anything. Instead, they pick their guns and open fire, killing the intruder while his friend who was waiting outside run away. Are you happy now?
Besides, I don't understand what's wrong with taking down people who threaten your self or your house. Who cares if the burglar is 16yo? Oh, the poor guy was so stupid that he managed not to find anything to steal and so was running away already... so let's just let him go? What a load of crap.
Uhm. The episode did not take place in America. The details are not relevant unless you are both well-versed and interested in contemporary Italian politics, which I deem less than 0.001% of/. can be. I don't know about the hero's tastes wrt food, so no comment on the banana bit. Overall, you score 0 in commeting skills and 100 in idiocy. Nice work!
Actually, you just said a great truth.
Because of the slippery slope that you despise so much, they have recently jailed a guy in my city who shot and killed in self defence, with a legitimately owned and registered gun, during a robbery where he and his fathers were attacked.
The reasons why he was jailed are, of course, political. I'm not entering the details because they are not relevant now. But it goes to show that "this whole line of reasoning is totally fucking" APPROPRIATE.
The kind of commie bastard who wrote in my country's constitution that it's forbidden to be or simply to promote fascism.
The kind of commie bastard who is so against racism that he has anti-white laws passed. But hey that's not racism because I'm white and I'm supposed to suck it up and die.
That kind. Satisfied, you commie bastard?
By now, you should have realized that society at large is not ready for a "personal responsibility" framework. I have found that people will go to great lengths (in both denial and self-harm) in order to ignore the possibility of there being such a thing as responsibility for what you do.
Until this changes, they will be more than happy to sponsor censorship-happy governments. The more the gov't handles, the less responsible they will be. Then, when something bad happens, they just wish to fix it with extreme prejudice, lock it away, try to forget about it, and pass more legislation: apparently we're not forbidding enough things.
And why the hell are you a nazi anyway? Why do you support pro-nazi speech? Don't you think of the children?;)
I can imagine the slew of whiners who will complain about such a vigilante approach to this problem. Well, remember Firefox, "We're taking back the web"? That's exactly what we're doing here. It's the only strategy that's going to work. Bitching and moaning won't get you a clean mailbox. Taking spammers down will. If you disagree with fighting fire with fire, I suggest you also criticize any and all law enforcement activities. They're simply state-sponsored vigilantes.
The laptops will be sold to governments and issued to children by schools on a basis of one laptop per child.
Does not sound like free market to me. And A commercial version of the machine will be explored in parallel is certainly no strong statement - it's just keeping the door open.
So if he fails it will be a failure on the political or buisness side of things
Yes that's my point, too. He refused to sell his notebooks to private citizens and corporations because as we know doing business is *evil*. Therefore he will never reach the economies of scale needed to pull such a stunt as 100$ notebooks with power cranks and multiple-function LCDs and whatnot.
I was criticizing his management, not the idea at the base.
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it's neither... the problem lies in the double standard. you know how it works, laws are passed to prevent bad stuff(tm), most people will go on and do bad stuff(tm) and the police won't care, while they will bug to no end the only good guys(tm) that are left. because they're so much easier to pester and tend not to shoot on sight.
(on a different note: alteredo is a great idea, every other civilized country in the world has had this kind of service forever... it was about time milan woke up and followed suit)
I thought about this but it doesn't really matter. Pink, blue, or green, he still made a discrimination based *purely* on race.
I see, if it had been your black or whatever brothers, it would have been OK... Well I don't think I'm going to beg forgiveness because I am white, you racist bastard. The funny thing is, your definition of "equality" includes robbing me of what I have thanks to the had work I do. Talk about hypocricy.
WTF! That's just... cruel and stupid! What do they think they're doing? Besides, they'd better keep their eyes open and be on their toes because someone is going to beat the crap out of them sooner or later. For instance if I had been the guy with the white car, you can bet I'd have been fighting like hell: I'd have thought someone was attacking me from behind NAD stealing my phone at the same time. In such a situation I'd be pretty violent. Not being able to see well... a nice elbow in the face would have been a good choice!
Stupid, really stupid.
Wrong guess, I'm from the EU. My understading of copyright law in a foreign country a few Km away from me is not that bad, especially when I've been reading a bit about it. What you and your trolling friends refuse to admit is that TPB encourages and facilitates sharing copyrighted material. I will continue to use it no matter what Swedish law says (is it OK, is it not? Like I care...) but I will NOT kid myself into believing that TPB knows nothing about the Windows ISOs you can download thanks to their portal. The post I replied to was trying to get away with a ridiculous technicality which didn't make any sense, that's why I compared to another nonsensical one.
The police raid of TPB (at the direction of the United States) is widely believed to have been illegal under the laws of the country in which the raid took place. Attempting to applying U.S. legal theory to the situation does not magically change the jurisdiction.
Yeah, so what? I don't care about the raid, I am simply pointing out that TPB is happy to help with piracy. They don't host the material, OK. They're in the clear wrt Swedish law, OK. So what? It does not mean you can pretend that piracy does not take place thanks to their portal. Then if their law allows this, more power to them.
Why does the United States and some of its citizens believe respecting the sovereignty of nations is optional?
I don't know, ask an American. In the meantime, were you in favour or against the bombing raids on Milosevic? What do you think of regulating the activity of farmers in my country so that the farmers in yours get a better/worse ROI? And I could make countless examples... Don't believe Europe is immune to this kind of games. The USA are definitely not alone.
Don't you realize this will turn around and bite you in the ass someday? I am as bad a pirate as they come, but please... "Exactly which law makes torrent files illegal?" is as stupid a question as "Exactly which law makes operating a finger on a trigger illegal?". Well nobody condems the act of pulling the trigger on a gun; if somebody gets killed as a consequence, though, I think you won't find it absurd that the police is involved. Just the same applies here. We all know a good part of the stuff distributed THANKS TO TPB was illegal (we might discuss the logic behind making distribution of copyrighted material illegal, but as it stands it IS illegal) so please, protest the illegality of the seize, protest what you want but don't go around shaking a stick at people and screaming "Ah, but I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!". You know, officer, I didn't kill this guy, and anyway what law prevents me from using my finger?
The way to fight piracy would be to sue the hundreds/thousands TBP *users* that live in EU or USA and that *could* be sued, not to take down a replaceable server with dubious means
Oh yeah taking the server down was utterly stupid. I had misunderstood your point...
Sueing TPB users in batches of 1000 might yeald better results on the short term. Recently some 100's guys in Germany were sued for sharing more then 500 files on Emule - that scared me much more then this TPB operation did. But in the long run, I think an all-out war on piracy waged by the *AA would only drive piracy were it couldn't be prosecuted anymore: way, way underground. Cypto, Tor, Freenet, mesh networks... good luck going after pirates out THERE! The *AA stand no chance - in a few years piracy will be virtually unstoppable. Maybe by then producers will have realized that the best way to have someone do something is to operate on the related market(s). Maybe work on the prices, or the quality, or both, of content.
Ugh. I think that, considering everything she has done, she is to be considered "good" no matter what amount of christian-inspired mistakes she can have made.
I support usage of condoms but I don't think I compare even remotely to Theresa on the "helping your fellowmen" scale. It'd be like saying I'm better than Bill G. because I support free software (every now and then) and he doesn't. Unfortunately, I am not funding 90% of the world's budget for the fight against polio and I do not run the world's biggest charity foundation.
It's as fishy as they come ("I'm not touching you! AH-AH!") but you can't claim it's useless: it's one of the biggest torrent sites and they have daily users in the tens/hundreds of thousands. SOMEBODY must find it useful :). :P)
If you were argiung that it would be unnecessary if only movies were not so expensive and there were a legal download system... even then, cheap people would find a use for TPB sites (I, for one
The competitor I worry about most is Microsoft, Chezen said,
which is the reason why I'm going to make sure NOT to compete by, oh I don't know, actually having a superior platform; rather, I will sue and hope for the best.
Jeez how detestable... They better sue Openoffice.org and every other piece of software out there that exports to PDF before the whole industry sees through their hypocrisy. Besides... Adobe has the best PDF suite out there. Anybody who works with PDF is using it and not switching to Office just because it exports to PDF now. Or do you really think that exporting is what matters? Hell no. There have always been free pieces of software that enabled you to export to PDF, yet professionals paid the price for Acrobat and related plug-ins, and for a reason: it's a bloody good software.
But hey this is MS and they'll probably settle and pay a decent chunk of money to Adobe. Shareholders of Adobe and Macromedia, rejoice! Billy G. will foot your bill this year.
Well, it depends. Some people would define "worse" as "I have to do this sudo thing before I can install or update a program". I don't find it a nuisance... actually I do, but it's very small and there is no way around it unless you run as root, which is a much bigger nuisance. But really, some people are not willing to put up with this kind of things so even the most basic security measures are going to upset them.
Well, even if I told you all the details there would be no way for you to check. So please be happy, everything is fine, everybody who disagrees with you is a piece of shite and you're always right.
Must be so easy to live in the world where all the communists apparently hang out together. No questions, no thinking, a few easy targets, well defined enemies... what's more to ask?
It's a rule entrenched in total freedom and it has everything to do with justice - you attack me, I kill you.
And exactly because life does not come with guarantees, I will do *my* best to ensure myself a safe life - which include safety from lowlife and sticking to my guns... literally.
You misunderstood my "I want to be able to defend myself and my stuff" for "OMG crime is rampant whatamigonnado i need bigger gunz LOLBBQ!!!one".
It's true that I don't have my door kicked down every day and to be honest I have witnessed violent crimes only VERY rarely (that's because in my country there is a *sane* crime rate). That does not mean that it never happens: over the course of my life my house was robbed twice, and twice did someone enter it with the intention to steal but was driven away (once by my raging dog, once by the fact that they themselves were not really convinced they wanted to steal...)
Still, you point out that "hiding behind a gun beacuse of an irrational fear is statistically the most dangerous"; well, call me stupid but fear DOES come from weakness and I am weak when confronted with some armed thug, if all I have are my hands. So, having a gun is dangerous - well duh, it was meant to be a weapon, you kill people with it - but I don't see you proposing a novel way to face crime and at the same time avoid any and all dangers. The police are useless (when they are not downright criminal) and I am vulnerable - yet you want to prevent me access to weapons. How about you come up with a solution?
In the meantime I am getting a gun. They are difficult to have in my country, but it's possible. When you can guarantee that noone on earth can harm me, I will give up my weapons. Oh and if you could do that without turning the world into a police state, that would be great.
Congratulations! Thanks to your idiocy, now I can: break down your door, enter your house, steal everything I can and walk out, all without you having any right to stop me, because I am not pointing a gun at you. You must be really loved by criminals.
We are not putting the freaking guy under trial, the judge has already done his work... Even if he were a serial kiler the point stands that saying "murder is always wrong" is completely false because there can be instances when it's OK to go on and kill. In order to make my point clearer, I made an example, but the details would have been tedious. That's why I left them out. Anyway, if you are curious, it went like this: criminal breaks into the shop using a mace to shatter the security window, proceeds to threaten father &son, etc etc. F&S are bloody angry because it's the third time they are robbed already and choose not to give him anything. Instead, they pick their guns and open fire, killing the intruder while his friend who was waiting outside run away. Are you happy now?
Besides, I don't understand what's wrong with taking down people who threaten your self or your house. Who cares if the burglar is 16yo? Oh, the poor guy was so stupid that he managed not to find anything to steal and so was running away already... so let's just let him go? What a load of crap.
Uhm. The episode did not take place in America. The details are not relevant unless you are both well-versed and interested in contemporary Italian politics, which I deem less than 0.001% of /. can be. I don't know about the hero's tastes wrt food, so no comment on the banana bit. Overall, you score 0 in commeting skills and 100 in idiocy. Nice work!
Actually, you just said a great truth.
Because of the slippery slope that you despise so much, they have recently jailed a guy in my city who shot and killed in self defence, with a legitimately owned and registered gun, during a robbery where he and his fathers were attacked.
The reasons why he was jailed are, of course, political. I'm not entering the details because they are not relevant now. But it goes to show that "this whole line of reasoning is totally fucking" APPROPRIATE.
The kind of commie bastard who wrote in my country's constitution that it's forbidden to be or simply to promote fascism.
The kind of commie bastard who is so against racism that he has anti-white laws passed. But hey that's not racism because I'm white and I'm supposed to suck it up and die.
That kind. Satisfied, you commie bastard?
By now, you should have realized that society at large is not ready for a "personal responsibility" framework. I have found that people will go to great lengths (in both denial and self-harm) in order to ignore the possibility of there being such a thing as responsibility for what you do. ;)
Until this changes, they will be more than happy to sponsor censorship-happy governments. The more the gov't handles, the less responsible they will be. Then, when something bad happens, they just wish to fix it with extreme prejudice, lock it away, try to forget about it, and pass more legislation: apparently we're not forbidding enough things.
And why the hell are you a nazi anyway? Why do you support pro-nazi speech? Don't you think of the children?
So, uhm, we should keep quiet and hope no one notices us? Maybe squeek a bit?
I can imagine the slew of whiners who will complain about such a vigilante approach to this problem.
Well, remember Firefox, "We're taking back the web"? That's exactly what we're doing here. It's the only strategy that's going to work. Bitching and moaning won't get you a clean mailbox. Taking spammers down will.
If you disagree with fighting fire with fire, I suggest you also criticize any and all law enforcement activities. They're simply state-sponsored vigilantes.
De vulpe et uva.
How about you stop the FUD?
The laptops will be sold to governments and issued to children by schools on a basis of one laptop per child.
Does not sound like free market to me. And A commercial version of the machine will be explored in parallel is certainly no strong statement - it's just keeping the door open.
So if he fails it will be a failure on the political or buisness side of things
Yes that's my point, too. He refused to sell his notebooks to private citizens and corporations because as we know doing business is *evil*. Therefore he will never reach the economies of scale needed to pull such a stunt as 100$ notebooks with power cranks and multiple-function LCDs and whatnot.
I was criticizing his management, not the idea at the base.