Sorry to disappoint you, but I've just tried it out and I found it slow as molasses. The install dir weighs in at 160 MB. The thing includes a whole frigging X server and possibily some cygwin (I was too scared to look). It draws windows at a noticeably slow speed, complete with choppy effect. It looks like the default un-themed grey Gnome. Even menus take so long to open, it's painful. Maybe the networking code is great, but I'll never find out because I uninstalled it already. Now I will go poke my eyes out, with your permission. Oh teh p41n...
Looks like I'm a tight bastard:D I wouldn't spend 10 euros (I just know it's not going to cost 8, as it should) for a downloaded version of a movie even if it were DVD quality. Make it burnable with no trouble and ask me FIVE euros. I think that's the threshold for me.
Anyway I see this as kinda broken from the start. Movie downloads are only interesting to people who watch a lot of movies, and these are the ones who won't pony up 10$ every friggin time they feel like watching one. Make it more palatable for the bulk purchaser (bulk price maybe? hmmm that's an idea) and see this take off.
The last time socialists demonstrated in my city to support such values as you share, they ended up burning down a sizeable portion of a city after they started a riot. You might understand why I gave up "discussing" with them a long time ago.
Anyway, I can see where you're coming from but I think your analysis is wrong. By this I mean that while your logic works, the premises upon which it's based are not based on the real world. I am quite sure this holds true at least partially for my analysis, too. Unfortunately I still think I'm "more right then wrong" and the opposite is valid for you. I guess you think pretty much the same.
I will stop here because we have both laid out our opinions and have not reached agreement, but really the think about not being after my money bothers me. 1st: this was exactly the point upon which the communist party based its campaign this year, less taxes for the poor and more for "the rich". Rich = everyone who's not starving, according to them. But then again I think even the richest shouldn't be paying any taxes, just like everyone else (how's that for equality?). 2nd: HOW can you subsidize the poor if not with the money of the rich? You can reduce waste and all that, do without the army... but still it would be tax-payers' money!
I would be worse off if my country turned into a full fledged communist system, because my taxes would skyrocket in order to subsidize the lazy leeches who think everything should be free because they're worth it (I suggest less TV and more work for these idiots). Those who don't work now wouldn't do it in such a system either, but they would be more than adequately sustained by the workers (me). And why would I flee? Because unless I arm myself to the teeth and open fire on everything that moves (and die rather quickly), I will be forced to give up my hard earned money in order to pay for those too stupid to land a job.
Listen, buddy. I come from a poor family, but differently than most of the people who were my friends when I was young, I decided not to "give up because the working class is exploited anyway OMGZ"; I studied, then when I went to university I started working full time to pay for my studies, now I've finished them, I always worked my ass off and as a consequence now I have a good job. The moment you come and say I have to surrender my money in order to pay for those sorry excuses of human beings who gave up a long time ago is the moment my money disappears and appears again in Panama.
Why does it matters? Because as a hard worker and dedicated individual, I provide my society with more value than those who do nothing. If I go away, such value won't be contributed any more.
Now please get real and realize that we (you and I and the slackers) are much better off than half of the world population: communist systems are needed for THEM maybe (and they WILL turn into regimes) but, really, it's not the 19th anymore.
Have a good day and good luck with your life. You want money, you earn it. You want MY money, you know where you can pry it from.
While you are right in your analysis, it still stands that even "real" communism is doomed to fail. Ultimately there are two scenarios, either everybody wants to take parte in it and play nice, or at least somebody doesn't and won't do it. In the first case, there would have been no social problem to begin with and anyway there is no evidence such a society ever existed. One might argue that a family is a communist system and that it works quite well. True, but that's a microsociety, I'm talking about the real stuff here. In the second case, "someone" will need to force the unwilling. Enter your friend, the gulag, and its comrades.
Communism would be all fun and games if communists limited themselves to setting up societies and using their system *with the willing people only*. But of course the hard workers and those who want for themselves more than an anonymous mediocrity would flee; then you would need to force them to take part in such a "free" society.
You had your chance to give up but you missed it... tough luck.
First of all, my post might be offensive to your sensitive grammatical senses, but this just goes to show what a hypocrite you are - "sensorship"? I mean... what's that, a ship with lots of sensors? But such a ship is not dangerous, because there is "now way" it can open fire with its sensors. OH the humanity. Maybe now the High Admiral will forgive me for not being a native speaker.
I do know very well what Lenin was fighting for, because differently then you I have an education. First of all, my attack on Soviet Russia did not mean that I liked Leninist Russia any more; I don't know what made you think that I'd like someone whose goal is grand and noble and proceeds to achieve it by means of murder and lies. Oh I am sorry, the Zar, his family and most of the noblemen were not human beings, according to your analysis. How stupid I am to consider them men. Secondly... care to point me towards ONE - only one, really - country that is set up as a communist system and is not a totalitarian, brutally repressive regime?
I will be happy when someone can prove that communism is good. Really, I will. Until then... well there's some homework for you to do, what are you doing here? Go forth, comrade! Show this capitalist pig what you are made of! For great justice! Take off every gulag!
So, suddenly "Muslim" is a race? I guess I am a racist because I dislike people who listen to pop music. Music is not any less related to race then religion is.
I wait for the day when communists will simply label as racist, and therefore suitable for gulag treatment, any *expression of a preference for uh... something*. After all, we all know how much you assholes despise censorship - I just need to ask my Russian friend to remind me what it was like, back in the good ol' days.
It's not arbitrary at all, actually the rule is very simple. Successful (and preferably big) companies must DIE DIE DIE, while the mythical "little guy" must be allowed to prosper. Strangely enough, such theory is upheld by many little guys.
Welcome to/., I hope you enjoy your stay.
Now pretend for a second that you have a fresh mind and no dogmatism. You come to/. and read this wonderful debate on evolution, creationism, etc. and what do you find? Insults, hatred, LOTS of dogmatism, all the usual stuff. People arguing for the sake of it. People whose goal is not even any more to WIN the argument (which is wrong already) but just to throw dirt on the "opponent". Just like Windows vs Linux, left vs right, etc.
The PP is right, people who take part in these arguments are only looking for a fight and you can see just as many idiots on one side as you can on the other. Or do you really think that e.g. "evolutionists" are holy and Always Right(tm) while ID'ers are the devil? That wouldn't make you any better than them.
Finally, I cannot help wondering why ID'ers forget that their God might just have created evolution as a means by which his will is done, and evolutioners forget that there is much we do not know. Evolution might be a mechanism set in place by the aliens when the mothership left Erath, for all we now.
I suppose you will be totally cool when they drag you to your gulag in a couple of years - we all know the government knows everything that's good for you and must regulate everything in existance, unfortunately the latest thing it chose to regulate was, you guessed it, YOUR LIFE. Welcome to Soviet Europe.
Cool, unfortunately I am not French; and only an idiot like you would try to get it right by copying/mimicking the native version of the word and hoping it's the same in English.
What's that got to do with the discussion, anyway? Oh I see, having no point to discuss you resort to trolling. Cute!
For *YOU* specifically, you mean? Maybe. For the Europeans who love free market and loathe governmental regulation, not at all.
So tell me, as you like the gov't regulating stuff so much, how do you feel about it regulating the usage of digital music & video, through DRM for example? Suddenly you don't like big government any more? Hypocrytes.
There they go and take a perfectly cool idea and corrupt it. These books should be sold with a huge discount because lots of costs have been cut by distributing them online as PDFs. And don't they realize that the very value of a PDF is intrinsically lower than that of a hardbound book? I might as well just buy the real thing and be done with it.
Besides... PDF DRM? I've been given tons of supa-dupa-drm-protected PDFs in the past and usually they gave up in under 10 seconds. As usual, determined attackers will get what they want, while people who are obviously loyal to the brand and good customers get shafted by having their book usage restricted.
(OK, I have an axe to grind... I never really forgave them for the switch to d20... or for buying RTS at all)
The money collected reduces your taxes and your suddenly higher buying power is halfed by the companies' products costing twice as much as before, because they cost twice as much to make.
One of the reasons that new, small businesses tend to fail is because. ..they tend to be more reliant on high performing and essentially irreplacable personel.
And there's more: if I have become your irreplaceable personel and I am highly skilled etc etc, why on Earth would I want to stay with you when many other companies are willing to pay me the big bucks that your small biz does not have? Mercenary, I know. The best way to be in a highly competitive environment, I think.
Of course I know, come on, and I've played it too! Both fantasy and 40K. But we were talking about videogames! And no it is not a joke, I simply like the 40K universe.
HELL YEAH! From Warhammer 40K: Firewarrior to W40K: Dawn of War and later Winter Assault, I just LOVED the Warhammer universe. It is so gritty and brutal, filled with hatred and fanaticism and epic. I think it wouldn't really appeal to the cartoon-loving WoW players out there, but who needs them in the Ultramarines anyway? FOR THE EMPEROR! (Dawn of War is such a good source of quotes)
OF COURSE we should. That's the best way to show the gov't we don't like market regulation in any shape or form. When the big industries take their ball, go play somewhere else with sensible laws and the economy suffers utter and complete collapse, maybe they'll get the message.
Go to Friesland in northern Holland. Listen to the native speakers. If you want to retain the purity of your language, I suggest you start asking them for lessons.
I'd rather suggest a visit to Iceland. Or maybe a trip back in time to discover what real Indoeuropean sounded like! And I'll stop at that because we don't really know what was there before the Indoeuropean arrived.
If you really belive what you say about the gov't, then your whole point is useless - the gov't should suck it up and die NO MATTER how dangerous marijuana is (and on this idea I agree wholeheartedly).
Back to the topic, though, I have *seen* people (heck they used to be my friends) with withdrawal symptoms, unable to concentrate long after the effect should have passed away, and worse. Of course I'm not talking about the 5-joints a week guy! 5 cigarettes a week would not be healthy but not really a grave danger, either. Even more so, because you're probably going to quit sometime soon as obviously you are not an addict. I'm talking about chain-smoking joints and then toppling it off with a... OK I don't know the name in English but it's basically another (bigger) tool you can use.
I have seen these people waste their days and nights smoking all the time and spending quite a fortune on smoke. Their minds would be always numb and they just thought of that all the time. Does it mean marijuana turns you easily into an addict? Not at all, these *specific* people obviously had bigger issues from the start. But the physical effect I could witness cannot have been linked to their life stories.
BTW the fact that marijuana has been used for a long time proves nothing, cannibalism used to be all the rage sometime ago in certain places, yet you wouldn't advocate we "go back to our roots", I suppose.
In the end, if you smoke a subsantial amount of marijuana you will suffer some bad effects. The same applies to drinking a lot. I have nothing really against the usage of drugs, I am a libertarian, but people here sometimes need to spread FUD even when they have (half) a point, and claiming that marijuana is harmless and anyway what are you going to do about it you redneck shutgun toting bible thumping nazist definitely qualifies as FUD. Not that YOU said that, of course. But I remember a different discussion on drugs here on/. where I upheld basically the same ideas I did here and I was flooded with hate mail and insults.
... m'kay, laws are passed to prevent *what the gov't thinks is* bad stuff(tm) etc etc. happier now?
Besides. There are far worse drugs out there than Marijuana, but they are all treated the same - if the parent poster had put "heroine" in there, would you have been satisfied? Oh and don't kid yourself - smoking pot all day is not healthy. It's like smoking many cigarettes without a filter at the same time and that ain't good for your lungs. Also there are some long-term effects, I have been witness to a few and I am sure you can find documentation on the net.
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Oh SNAP! I forgot about the hardcoded paths! It plagued me too. Oh well. I share your opinion.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I've just tried it out and I found it slow as molasses. The install dir weighs in at 160 MB. The thing includes a whole frigging X server and possibily some cygwin (I was too scared to look). It draws windows at a noticeably slow speed, complete with choppy effect. It looks like the default un-themed grey Gnome. Even menus take so long to open, it's painful. Maybe the networking code is great, but I'll never find out because I uninstalled it already. Now I will go poke my eyes out, with your permission. Oh teh p41n...
Looks like I'm a tight bastard :D I wouldn't spend 10 euros (I just know it's not going to cost 8, as it should) for a downloaded version of a movie even if it were DVD quality. Make it burnable with no trouble and ask me FIVE euros. I think that's the threshold for me.
Anyway I see this as kinda broken from the start. Movie downloads are only interesting to people who watch a lot of movies, and these are the ones who won't pony up 10$ every friggin time they feel like watching one. Make it more palatable for the bulk purchaser (bulk price maybe? hmmm that's an idea) and see this take off.
The last time socialists demonstrated in my city to support such values as you share, they ended up burning down a sizeable portion of a city after they started a riot. You might understand why I gave up "discussing" with them a long time ago.
Anyway, I can see where you're coming from but I think your analysis is wrong. By this I mean that while your logic works, the premises upon which it's based are not based on the real world. I am quite sure this holds true at least partially for my analysis, too. Unfortunately I still think I'm "more right then wrong" and the opposite is valid for you. I guess you think pretty much the same.
I will stop here because we have both laid out our opinions and have not reached agreement, but really the think about not being after my money bothers me. 1st: this was exactly the point upon which the communist party based its campaign this year, less taxes for the poor and more for "the rich". Rich = everyone who's not starving, according to them. But then again I think even the richest shouldn't be paying any taxes, just like everyone else (how's that for equality?). 2nd: HOW can you subsidize the poor if not with the money of the rich? You can reduce waste and all that, do without the army... but still it would be tax-payers' money!
I would be worse off if my country turned into a full fledged communist system, because my taxes would skyrocket in order to subsidize the lazy leeches who think everything should be free because they're worth it (I suggest less TV and more work for these idiots). Those who don't work now wouldn't do it in such a system either, but they would be more than adequately sustained by the workers (me). And why would I flee? Because unless I arm myself to the teeth and open fire on everything that moves (and die rather quickly), I will be forced to give up my hard earned money in order to pay for those too stupid to land a job.
Listen, buddy. I come from a poor family, but differently than most of the people who were my friends when I was young, I decided not to "give up because the working class is exploited anyway OMGZ"; I studied, then when I went to university I started working full time to pay for my studies, now I've finished them, I always worked my ass off and as a consequence now I have a good job. The moment you come and say I have to surrender my money in order to pay for those sorry excuses of human beings who gave up a long time ago is the moment my money disappears and appears again in Panama.
Why does it matters? Because as a hard worker and dedicated individual, I provide my society with more value than those who do nothing. If I go away, such value won't be contributed any more.
Now please get real and realize that we (you and I and the slackers) are much better off than half of the world population: communist systems are needed for THEM maybe (and they WILL turn into regimes) but, really, it's not the 19th anymore.
Have a good day and good luck with your life. You want money, you earn it. You want MY money, you know where you can pry it from.
While you are right in your analysis, it still stands that even "real" communism is doomed to fail. Ultimately there are two scenarios, either everybody wants to take parte in it and play nice, or at least somebody doesn't and won't do it. In the first case, there would have been no social problem to begin with and anyway there is no evidence such a society ever existed. One might argue that a family is a communist system and that it works quite well. True, but that's a microsociety, I'm talking about the real stuff here. In the second case, "someone" will need to force the unwilling. Enter your friend, the gulag, and its comrades.
Communism would be all fun and games if communists limited themselves to setting up societies and using their system *with the willing people only*. But of course the hard workers and those who want for themselves more than an anonymous mediocrity would flee; then you would need to force them to take part in such a "free" society.
Troll? WTF?! It was a perfectly legitimate question! Inviting dialogue and discussion! Seriously, mods... WTF?!
Can a working human mind ultimately be reduced to a complicated algorithm? Will we be able to emulate it, given the necessary computing power?
You had your chance to give up but you missed it... tough luck.
First of all, my post might be offensive to your sensitive grammatical senses, but this just goes to show what a hypocrite you are - "sensorship"? I mean... what's that, a ship with lots of sensors? But such a ship is not dangerous, because there is "now way" it can open fire with its sensors. OH the humanity. Maybe now the High Admiral will forgive me for not being a native speaker.
I do know very well what Lenin was fighting for, because differently then you I have an education. First of all, my attack on Soviet Russia did not mean that I liked Leninist Russia any more; I don't know what made you think that I'd like someone whose goal is grand and noble and proceeds to achieve it by means of murder and lies. Oh I am sorry, the Zar, his family and most of the noblemen were not human beings, according to your analysis. How stupid I am to consider them men. Secondly... care to point me towards ONE - only one, really - country that is set up as a communist system and is not a totalitarian, brutally repressive regime?
I will be happy when someone can prove that communism is good. Really, I will. Until then... well there's some homework for you to do, what are you doing here? Go forth, comrade! Show this capitalist pig what you are made of! For great justice! Take off every gulag!
So, suddenly "Muslim" is a race? I guess I am a racist because I dislike people who listen to pop music. Music is not any less related to race then religion is.
I wait for the day when communists will simply label as racist, and therefore suitable for gulag treatment, any *expression of a preference for uh... something*. After all, we all know how much you assholes despise censorship - I just need to ask my Russian friend to remind me what it was like, back in the good ol' days.
It's not arbitrary at all, actually the rule is very simple. Successful (and preferably big) companies must DIE DIE DIE, while the mythical "little guy" must be allowed to prosper. Strangely enough, such theory is upheld by many little guys. /., I hope you enjoy your stay.
Welcome to
Now pretend for a second that you have a fresh mind and no dogmatism. You come to /. and read this wonderful debate on evolution, creationism, etc. and what do you find? Insults, hatred, LOTS of dogmatism, all the usual stuff. People arguing for the sake of it. People whose goal is not even any more to WIN the argument (which is wrong already) but just to throw dirt on the "opponent". Just like Windows vs Linux, left vs right, etc.
The PP is right, people who take part in these arguments are only looking for a fight and you can see just as many idiots on one side as you can on the other. Or do you really think that e.g. "evolutionists" are holy and Always Right(tm) while ID'ers are the devil? That wouldn't make you any better than them.
Finally, I cannot help wondering why ID'ers forget that their God might just have created evolution as a means by which his will is done, and evolutioners forget that there is much we do not know. Evolution might be a mechanism set in place by the aliens when the mothership left Erath, for all we now.
Build a fully functional EVA! YAY!!! (Yes I'm in love with Rei Ayanami, so what? You know you are, too) :D
I suppose you will be totally cool when they drag you to your gulag in a couple of years - we all know the government knows everything that's good for you and must regulate everything in existance, unfortunately the latest thing it chose to regulate was, you guessed it, YOUR LIFE.
Welcome to Soviet Europe.
Cool, unfortunately I am not French; and only an idiot like you would try to get it right by copying/mimicking the native version of the word and hoping it's the same in English.
What's that got to do with the discussion, anyway? Oh I see, having no point to discuss you resort to trolling. Cute!
For *YOU* specifically, you mean? Maybe. For the Europeans who love free market and loathe governmental regulation, not at all.
So tell me, as you like the gov't regulating stuff so much, how do you feel about it regulating the usage of digital music & video, through DRM for example? Suddenly you don't like big government any more? Hypocrytes.
There they go and take a perfectly cool idea and corrupt it. These books should be sold with a huge discount because lots of costs have been cut by distributing them online as PDFs. And don't they realize that the very value of a PDF is intrinsically lower than that of a hardbound book? I might as well just buy the real thing and be done with it.
Besides... PDF DRM? I've been given tons of supa-dupa-drm-protected PDFs in the past and usually they gave up in under 10 seconds. As usual, determined attackers will get what they want, while people who are obviously loyal to the brand and good customers get shafted by having their book usage restricted.
(OK, I have an axe to grind... I never really forgave them for the switch to d20... or for buying RTS at all)
The money collected reduces your taxes and your suddenly higher buying power is halfed by the companies' products costing twice as much as before, because they cost twice as much to make.
One of the reasons that new, small businesses tend to fail is because. . .they tend to be more reliant on high performing and essentially irreplacable personel.
And there's more: if I have become your irreplaceable personel and I am highly skilled etc etc, why on Earth would I want to stay with you when many other companies are willing to pay me the big bucks that your small biz does not have? Mercenary, I know. The best way to be in a highly competitive environment, I think.
Of course I know, come on, and I've played it too! Both fantasy and 40K. But we were talking about videogames! And no it is not a joke, I simply like the 40K universe.
HELL YEAH! From Warhammer 40K: Firewarrior to W40K: Dawn of War and later Winter Assault, I just LOVED the Warhammer universe. It is so gritty and brutal, filled with hatred and fanaticism and epic. I think it wouldn't really appeal to the cartoon-loving WoW players out there, but who needs them in the Ultramarines anyway? FOR THE EMPEROR! (Dawn of War is such a good source of quotes)
OF COURSE we should. That's the best way to show the gov't we don't like market regulation in any shape or form. When the big industries take their ball, go play somewhere else with sensible laws and the economy suffers utter and complete collapse, maybe they'll get the message.
Go to Friesland in northern Holland. Listen to the native speakers. If you want to retain the purity of your language, I suggest you start asking them for lessons.
I'd rather suggest a visit to Iceland. Or maybe a trip back in time to discover what real Indoeuropean sounded like! And I'll stop at that because we don't really know what was there before the Indoeuropean arrived.
If you really belive what you say about the gov't, then your whole point is useless - the gov't should suck it up and die NO MATTER how dangerous marijuana is (and on this idea I agree wholeheartedly). /. where I upheld basically the same ideas I did here and I was flooded with hate mail and insults.
Back to the topic, though, I have *seen* people (heck they used to be my friends) with withdrawal symptoms, unable to concentrate long after the effect should have passed away, and worse. Of course I'm not talking about the 5-joints a week guy! 5 cigarettes a week would not be healthy but not really a grave danger, either. Even more so, because you're probably going to quit sometime soon as obviously you are not an addict. I'm talking about chain-smoking joints and then toppling it off with a... OK I don't know the name in English but it's basically another (bigger) tool you can use.
I have seen these people waste their days and nights smoking all the time and spending quite a fortune on smoke. Their minds would be always numb and they just thought of that all the time. Does it mean marijuana turns you easily into an addict? Not at all, these *specific* people obviously had bigger issues from the start. But the physical effect I could witness cannot have been linked to their life stories.
BTW the fact that marijuana has been used for a long time proves nothing, cannibalism used to be all the rage sometime ago in certain places, yet you wouldn't advocate we "go back to our roots", I suppose.
In the end, if you smoke a subsantial amount of marijuana you will suffer some bad effects. The same applies to drinking a lot. I have nothing really against the usage of drugs, I am a libertarian, but people here sometimes need to spread FUD even when they have (half) a point, and claiming that marijuana is harmless and anyway what are you going to do about it you redneck shutgun toting bible thumping nazist definitely qualifies as FUD. Not that YOU said that, of course. But I remember a different discussion on drugs here on
... m'kay, laws are passed to prevent *what the gov't thinks is* bad stuff(tm) etc etc. happier now?
Besides. There are far worse drugs out there than Marijuana, but they are all treated the same - if the parent poster had put "heroine" in there, would you have been satisfied? Oh and don't kid yourself - smoking pot all day is not healthy. It's like smoking many cigarettes without a filter at the same time and that ain't good for your lungs. Also there are some long-term effects, I have been witness to a few and I am sure you can find documentation on the net.