Re:Yes, 'cuz that's what teenaged music fans want.
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I can list quite a few friends of mine who are teenaged and want to hack through the source... I was one at one point (being 21 forces me to not be a teenager, but at the age of 18 I was going through source).
And we're all hardcore music fans. Being a coder does not mean you don't listen to/love music, or am I missing something about being geek?
Unless of course you're not a pro-opensource coder if you're under 25...
And one reason why me and a whole bunch of my friends are dieing to get our hands on songbird is that it's pretty much iTunes with the source.... Meaning we get iTunes (almost our favourite music player) and we then get to change it to our heart's delight (there's a lot I wish I could do with iTunes)...
Reason enough for us to be interested in the source?
The shares are part of running one of the most successful companies in the industry. The fact that they're not being greedy by also taking a large salary is what makes it good faith.
And the way I see it, them sticking to do minimal evil it what keeps their shares up, and so it's within their interest to "Do no evil".
So basically, them keeping $1 salaries means they still intend to do no evil... Right?
I definitely have to agree with that. Up until last year, I was actually trying to read and research things I was being taught. Last semester I tried not to do that.. Major rise in the GPA (I was failing, now I'm off probation).
And, besides the fact that we don't have time to read and learn, most of my friends just don't want to improve their language. "What for? I don't need to write this properly to get a good grade!" That's mostly because professors try to be nice and not grade poor (and yet understandable) grammar thanks to the fact that my school has a lot of non-native English speakers. I think that anyone who's expected to write a paper in English should improve their English to proper academic standards, not assume that the professor will ignore some of the grammatical erros...
Anyway... I have to agree with the article, from personal experience...
Granted, major problems are exactly that: a transmission failure makes me want to get rid of the car and never buy another one from the same company again. However, I've had my iBook 12" for almost a year now (bought it at the end of Jan '05), and I've had no issues with it what so ever.
What makes me say Apple hardware is the best I've used? My iBook has been dropped several times, in the randomest ways, and it has taken serious beatings. Just 2 weeks ago it skid down a staircase (I slipped on ice, it was the only thing in my backpack) and got hit pretty hard. No hardware or software damage that I can notice since. It looks like it's been through hell, but it works perfectly fine.
More on Apple hardware? My iPod Nano falls to the floor around 3-4 times per day since I've had it since the end of September. Still works perfectly fine.
THAT's why Apple's hardware is considered good, not because of only having one major problem.
The people who did consider one major problem to not be an issue did so because of Apple's customer service, not because their hardware was excellent. How many hardware vendors will replace your machine for free if you have a serious enough issue? My friend's 15" PowerBook had a logic board problem. They replaced the board the first time. Same problem the next week. She sent it in, got the new 15" PowerBook with Tiger pre-installed (her original came with Jaguar). That's pretty good customer service.
But isn't Dashboard an application that comes with Mac OS X, and not part of the OS in any way? I don't have Tiger (still on Panther here - can't afford Tiger yet), so I'm not really sure.
But, assuming it's not part of the OS, and knowing Microsoft, I see a huge difference in how Apple included RSS with how MS would.
See this way, with Apple you can remove this said 'feature', whereas with MS you can probably only disable it.
Hence, Apple giving the option of built-in RSS is not the same as MS forcing built-in RSS and adding bloat to the system. Right?
I'm pretty sure LAME would work as an mp3 encoder for your case. Check the website at lame.sourceforge.net to read up on it, but I'm pretty sure it's what you're looking for, considering there are no legal issues behind it (It's LGPL'd).
And I agree that Speex is useless (who's gonna listen to it? I'd never heard of it before now), and Ogg isn't very common outside of Linux from my experience...
I've been using Mac OS X(.3) since January, which isn't too long (considering this is my first mac), and coming from a Linux/Windows background (and more CLI-inclined), I naturally was busy playing around with the Darwin aspect of the OS.
Then I tried to make my iBook boot like Linux and run Gnome and all that. 2 weeks after I bought the laptop, I accomplished that. Then I got bored... The Mac OS X interface is way sweeter and much easier to use. And I realized that all my attempts to truely crash Mac OS X (the graphical environment) weren't very successful. So besides the interface being sweeter, it's also more stable than KDE or Gnome (from my experience) on the iBook.
So besides the fact that the article is old news, I can't imagine it being of any use to run KDE on Mac. Of course, that's after I tried it, so then again for the curious, maybe it is worth it. But if you're curious enough, then I'm sure you've already tried it... Hence: Useless post... And the LAST thing I expected to see on slashdot... But then again...
Ok... This is where I decide that the discussion is too far off from "Bill Would Let Police Monitor Email"...
But just to clarify: No, I don't think the US should have invaded either Afghan or Iraq, but I know from my Iraqi friends that they're all happy that Saddam is removed, but they want the US out of there (just like every other person on this planet). My post was not to remove blame entirely from the Bush administration, but I was trying to get you to understand that it's not the entire US population that deserves blame, and definitely not all the Western world.
On another note: The US was spreading "fundamentalist propoganda" in the Arab world? Interesting. Cause see, I grew up there, and I've never heard of any schools teaching this stuff. So check your sources (again). As for the forum you went to, I've been to a few of those my self. Guess what? They're just there to make Islamic fundamentalism sound peaceful. Now keep in mind that I'm not bashing Islam, but those conferences are the same thing as Jehovah's Witnesses or other random cults that call themselves Christians. They don't care what real life shows, for them, what they think is what is true fact.
That's all I have to say, and considering I just came back from a long night of drinking, excuse whatever sloppy work I just wrote. You, my friend, sound like you need to read up on Muslim history, culture, and life. Then do the same on their governments. Then a little on Western culture/religion/idealism. When you've done all that reading, and based your work on unbiased views, then come tell me what you think is true, but I'll give you this:
9/11 is most probably just an excuse for Bush to invade Arabia.
The CIA and the NSA probably knew what was gonna happen and didn't stop it, but I'm not gonna get into conspiracy theories here
The Arabs in the Arab world didn't help prevent any of this by falling for the "trap" set by the Bush admin, which was probably not a trap either way
There's a lot both sides have to learn about each other before they understand what's happening, and I have to admit that the Bush admin are pretty smart to capitalize on the ignorance of both peoples (Americans regarding Arabs, and vice versa)
As long as we have people who (and excuse me for this in advance), like you, don't really care to understand both sides, and get all emotional about certain cases based on nothing but their ignorance, issues like these will always arise. It is understandable when people can't afford to educate themselves. But when one can, then please do. I do not pretend to understand politics. But I do know what's happening in the Middle East better than most people in the West, and I can see where the agression comes from. A little self-education would really help everyone in making statements on issues they don't understand too well.
Your knowledge of the Muslim world is false, not the attacks.
Let me explain to you why we blame Islam... And what it means to "Blame Islam"...
Blaming Islam is not being against the religion, it is being against the image that it's practitioners repeatedly display. When you go to a Muslim country and see what I've seen, you'll understand. That's not to say being savage is part of being Muslim, because many Muslims are amazingly peaceful people, and very educated and refined. But that's not what you see when you look at the majority of the Arab Muslim populace (and no, I'm not refering to media... I'm refering to personal experience)...
I'm sorry, but next time you want to blame someone for something, check your facts first. Yes, the Western world as a whole shouldn't have interfered as much as they did, and particularly the US, but it was all fine until Bush decided that he wanted to reignite his father's war against Iraq under any excuse...
But it is the Jihadis (and that's the correct term) that made his war gain momentum. Because you can exaggerate events through the use of media, but you can't create them when they don't exist. The Jihadis created an image of Arabs and Muslims that is what caused the Bush wars (Afghanistan, Iraq, and soon Iran and Syria) to happen.
Point is, YES, the US has tampered too often in Middle Eastern affairs for this to not be it's fault at all. But had their calls for war been entirely unjustifiable, then the war would not have happened... It is due to the image that 20%-30% of the Arabs in the Middle East portrayed to the media that this loss of freedom is happening in North America.
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I can list quite a few friends of mine who are teenaged and want to hack through the source... I was one at one point (being 21 forces me to not be a teenager, but at the age of 18 I was going through source).
And we're all hardcore music fans. Being a coder does not mean you don't listen to/love music, or am I missing something about being geek?
Unless of course you're not a pro-opensource coder if you're under 25...
And one reason why me and a whole bunch of my friends are dieing to get our hands on songbird is that it's pretty much iTunes with the source.... Meaning we get iTunes (almost our favourite music player) and we then get to change it to our heart's delight (there's a lot I wish I could do with iTunes)...
Reason enough for us to be interested in the source?
The shares are part of running one of the most successful companies in the industry. The fact that they're not being greedy by also taking a large salary is what makes it good faith.
And the way I see it, them sticking to do minimal evil it what keeps their shares up, and so it's within their interest to "Do no evil".
So basically, them keeping $1 salaries means they still intend to do no evil... Right?
I definitely have to agree with that. Up until last year, I was actually trying to read and research things I was being taught. Last semester I tried not to do that.. Major rise in the GPA (I was failing, now I'm off probation).
And, besides the fact that we don't have time to read and learn, most of my friends just don't want to improve their language. "What for? I don't need to write this properly to get a good grade!" That's mostly because professors try to be nice and not grade poor (and yet understandable) grammar thanks to the fact that my school has a lot of non-native English speakers. I think that anyone who's expected to write a paper in English should improve their English to proper academic standards, not assume that the professor will ignore some of the grammatical erros...
Anyway... I have to agree with the article, from personal experience...
Granted, major problems are exactly that: a transmission failure makes me want to get rid of the car and never buy another one from the same company again. However, I've had my iBook 12" for almost a year now (bought it at the end of Jan '05), and I've had no issues with it what so ever.
What makes me say Apple hardware is the best I've used? My iBook has been dropped several times, in the randomest ways, and it has taken serious beatings. Just 2 weeks ago it skid down a staircase (I slipped on ice, it was the only thing in my backpack) and got hit pretty hard. No hardware or software damage that I can notice since. It looks like it's been through hell, but it works perfectly fine.
More on Apple hardware? My iPod Nano falls to the floor around 3-4 times per day since I've had it since the end of September. Still works perfectly fine.
THAT's why Apple's hardware is considered good, not because of only having one major problem.
The people who did consider one major problem to not be an issue did so because of Apple's customer service, not because their hardware was excellent. How many hardware vendors will replace your machine for free if you have a serious enough issue? My friend's 15" PowerBook had a logic board problem. They replaced the board the first time. Same problem the next week. She sent it in, got the new 15" PowerBook with Tiger pre-installed (her original came with Jaguar). That's pretty good customer service.
But isn't Dashboard an application that comes with Mac OS X, and not part of the OS in any way? I don't have Tiger (still on Panther here - can't afford Tiger yet), so I'm not really sure.
But, assuming it's not part of the OS, and knowing Microsoft, I see a huge difference in how Apple included RSS with how MS would.
See this way, with Apple you can remove this said 'feature', whereas with MS you can probably only disable it.
Hence, Apple giving the option of built-in RSS is not the same as MS forcing built-in RSS and adding bloat to the system. Right?
I'm pretty sure LAME would work as an mp3 encoder for your case. Check the website at lame.sourceforge.net to read up on it, but I'm pretty sure it's what you're looking for, considering there are no legal issues behind it (It's LGPL'd).
And I agree that Speex is useless (who's gonna listen to it? I'd never heard of it before now), and Ogg isn't very common outside of Linux from my experience...
I've been using Mac OS X(.3) since January, which isn't too long (considering this is my first mac), and coming from a Linux/Windows background (and more CLI-inclined), I naturally was busy playing around with the Darwin aspect of the OS.
Then I tried to make my iBook boot like Linux and run Gnome and all that. 2 weeks after I bought the laptop, I accomplished that. Then I got bored... The Mac OS X interface is way sweeter and much easier to use. And I realized that all my attempts to truely crash Mac OS X (the graphical environment) weren't very successful. So besides the interface being sweeter, it's also more stable than KDE or Gnome (from my experience) on the iBook.
So besides the fact that the article is old news, I can't imagine it being of any use to run KDE on Mac. Of course, that's after I tried it, so then again for the curious, maybe it is worth it. But if you're curious enough, then I'm sure you've already tried it... Hence: Useless post... And the LAST thing I expected to see on slashdot... But then again...
(Had to say something)
But just to clarify: No, I don't think the US should have invaded either Afghan or Iraq, but I know from my Iraqi friends that they're all happy that Saddam is removed, but they want the US out of there (just like every other person on this planet). My post was not to remove blame entirely from the Bush administration, but I was trying to get you to understand that it's not the entire US population that deserves blame, and definitely not all the Western world.
On another note: The US was spreading "fundamentalist propoganda" in the Arab world? Interesting. Cause see, I grew up there, and I've never heard of any schools teaching this stuff. So check your sources (again). As for the forum you went to, I've been to a few of those my self. Guess what? They're just there to make Islamic fundamentalism sound peaceful. Now keep in mind that I'm not bashing Islam, but those conferences are the same thing as Jehovah's Witnesses or other random cults that call themselves Christians. They don't care what real life shows, for them, what they think is what is true fact.
That's all I have to say, and considering I just came back from a long night of drinking, excuse whatever sloppy work I just wrote. You, my friend, sound like you need to read up on Muslim history, culture, and life. Then do the same on their governments. Then a little on Western culture/religion/idealism. When you've done all that reading, and based your work on unbiased views, then come tell me what you think is true, but I'll give you this:
- 9/11 is most probably just an excuse for Bush to invade Arabia.
- The CIA and the NSA probably knew what was gonna happen and didn't stop it, but I'm not gonna get into conspiracy theories here
- The Arabs in the Arab world didn't help prevent any of this by falling for the "trap" set by the Bush admin, which was probably not a trap either way
- There's a lot both sides have to learn about each other before they understand what's happening, and I have to admit that the Bush admin are pretty smart to capitalize on the ignorance of both peoples (Americans regarding Arabs, and vice versa)
As long as we have people who (and excuse me for this in advance), like you, don't really care to understand both sides, and get all emotional about certain cases based on nothing but their ignorance, issues like these will always arise.It is understandable when people can't afford to educate themselves. But when one can, then please do. I do not pretend to understand politics. But I do know what's happening in the Middle East better than most people in the West, and I can see where the agression comes from. A little self-education would really help everyone in making statements on issues they don't understand too well.
I'm done here.
Your knowledge of the Muslim world is false, not the attacks.
Let me explain to you why we blame Islam... And what it means to "Blame Islam"...
Blaming Islam is not being against the religion, it is being against the image that it's practitioners repeatedly display. When you go to a Muslim country and see what I've seen, you'll understand. That's not to say being savage is part of being Muslim, because many Muslims are amazingly peaceful people, and very educated and refined. But that's not what you see when you look at the majority of the Arab Muslim populace (and no, I'm not refering to media... I'm refering to personal experience)...
I'm sorry, but next time you want to blame someone for something, check your facts first. Yes, the Western world as a whole shouldn't have interfered as much as they did, and particularly the US, but it was all fine until Bush decided that he wanted to reignite his father's war against Iraq under any excuse...
But it is the Jihadis (and that's the correct term) that made his war gain momentum. Because you can exaggerate events through the use of media, but you can't create them when they don't exist. The Jihadis created an image of Arabs and Muslims that is what caused the Bush wars (Afghanistan, Iraq, and soon Iran and Syria) to happen.
Point is, YES, the US has tampered too often in Middle Eastern affairs for this to not be it's fault at all. But had their calls for war been entirely unjustifiable, then the war would not have happened... It is due to the image that 20%-30% of the Arabs in the Middle East portrayed to the media that this loss of freedom is happening in North America.