Oh, I do not dispute the three laws are have rationality. But that is exactly their problem: Robots and "AI" do not have rationality at all. They cannot interpret these laws. Asimov basically used human-like intelligence in machines (not implementable today and it is unclear whether implementable at all in this universe and no, we have no idea how this works in humans, but it seems humans exceed what is physically possible) but removed altruism and morality and replaced them with the three laws. I am not complaining, some of his writings are pretty good. But this is not something that relates to actual reality as it presents itself at this time.
Well, for variable values of "advocating". Obviously these quotes are not to be taken literally. Still, if he made them within a work-context, that is pretty bad.
The three laws are bullshit resulting from animism. Asimov needed them (and used them to excess) to make fantasy stories set in an SF environment. There is no connection to anything that constitutes robotics or AI in the real world.
Very often in research, the time is ripe for specific developments and others are just a few years (or months) behind the leading ones. If the first to find it then keep their results secret, they rob everybody of time to prepare for misuse.
This is an exceptionally stupid idea. Not that it is new.
Just quickly post some things like these. Not saying this is what happened here, but seems to be a flaw in the system.
It is also quite possible the actual problem here is these companies having styled themselves too much as a "home" and "welcoming place" in order to attract talented people (and have them work long hours uncompensated) and people working there are less and less aware that it is a place of work. You know, one of those places were you keep politics out and are expected to behave professionally all the time...
The jobs are going away. "Slowing down innovation" will just move the industry offshore, accelerating the effect. At the same time, retraining is not going to do it, because a) there are not a lot new jobs and b) they have far too high requirements with regards to talents and skills. Most people cannot do the job of an engineer, for example. No amount of training will change that.
This story just shows that the ones trying to deal with the coming crisis do not have the skills to even understand it. Not a good sign.
Don't get me wrong, children working in mines is horrible. However, they are working there because the alternatives are worse. Closing down these mines or sacking the children will not make their situation better, it will make it massively worse.
Of course, that is too complex a situation for the media and for many people. Hence they demand that child labor be stopped and are thereby contributing to the evil.
And fail. (Not your fault, it is easy to fall for this.) Compliance does not create security. In actual reality, it _decreases_ it, because it reduces mental capabilities available to understanding.
The only thing that creates security in people that must have "access" is understanding of what they do. Hence a) make sure all people with access to sensitive data really have a clue how things work and b) make sure they have personal integrity. No, a regular "screening" will not accomplish this. Also c) don't do evil things that will rub people with personal integrity the wrong way. Especially c) is often infeasible for government agencies, because they often are evil by design, not only by policy. Item a) makes people expensive and item b) very often makes them not want to work for the government in the first place.
So, no, I do not think this can be fixed. Just the same as "laws" do not fix "crime". In many cases they create it and without good reason.
Complete bullshit. The idea is to intimidate the candidates and identify those openly not intimidated. These then fail. With all others, they hope they stay intimidated.
You are just regurgitating propaganda. Look at what screenings high-level defectors and leakers went through to get an idea about how well that screening actually works.
Indeed. "Work" is over for many people, probably a majority. It will just take some more time to become blatantly obvious. But money (an UBI is without any alternative) is just one aspect of the problem. People need something to do in order to have meaning in their lives. That will be a lot harder to provide.
We may still get that uprising even with an UBI. It is clearly necessary, but people need meaning in their lives and for most that comes from their job.
And that is exactly the problem. The "proper" employees are not a risk, because they cannot get even get the work done. The second problem is that the process to get a clearance is based on a completely broken perception of the world. You can not evaluate whether somebody has honor, loyalty and integrity and their history, friends, family, etc. do not indicate so either. At the same time, even somebody deeply loyal may suddenly find they are more loyal to their species than to some scummy government agency trying to screw everybody over.
The only way prevent loyalty-problems with contractors is to a) pay them well b) treat them well and c) do not do evil crap that they may rightfully object to. Of course, all three are beyond what a dysfunctional government agency can do, so leaks (and sabotage) will continue to happen.
It'll only keep happening until a major group completely collapses until the weight of it's own virtue signalling.
I really hope you are right. Looks more like they just move on to the next project to destroy when they have totaled one. And, of course, it never was their fault.
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Oh, I do not dispute the three laws are have rationality. But that is exactly their problem: Robots and "AI" do not have rationality at all. They cannot interpret these laws. Asimov basically used human-like intelligence in machines (not implementable today and it is unclear whether implementable at all in this universe and no, we have no idea how this works in humans, but it seems humans exceed what is physically possible) but removed altruism and morality and replaced them with the three laws. I am not complaining, some of his writings are pretty good. But this is not something that relates to actual reality as it presents itself at this time.
Well, for variable values of "advocating". Obviously these quotes are not to be taken literally. Still, if he made them within a work-context, that is pretty bad.
The three laws are bullshit resulting from animism. Asimov needed them (and used them to excess) to make fantasy stories set in an SF environment. There is no connection to anything that constitutes robotics or AI in the real world.
And that is just it. You cannot keep it secret, but trying to do so will prevent being prepared.
To anybody with a clue, Minsky was at best an incompetent AI fanboi.
Oh, this is about true AI? So no problem, that will not happen anytime soon and possibly not ever.
Very often in research, the time is ripe for specific developments and others are just a few years (or months) behind the leading ones. If the first to find it then keep their results secret, they rob everybody of time to prepare for misuse.
This is an exceptionally stupid idea. Not that it is new.
Just quickly post some things like these. Not saying this is what happened here, but seems to be a flaw in the system.
It is also quite possible the actual problem here is these companies having styled themselves too much as a "home" and "welcoming place" in order to attract talented people (and have them work long hours uncompensated) and people working there are less and less aware that it is a place of work. You know, one of those places were you keep politics out and are expected to behave professionally all the time ...
The jobs are going away. "Slowing down innovation" will just move the industry offshore, accelerating the effect. At the same time, retraining is not going to do it, because a) there are not a lot new jobs and b) they have far too high requirements with regards to talents and skills. Most people cannot do the job of an engineer, for example. No amount of training will change that.
This story just shows that the ones trying to deal with the coming crisis do not have the skills to even understand it. Not a good sign.
Indeed.
Actually, PostScript is pretty interesting and teaches you some things you usually do not learn when coding. It is decidedly not for beginners though.
For example documented here: https://gizmodo.com/barbie-f-c...
Don't get me wrong, children working in mines is horrible. However, they are working there because the alternatives are worse. Closing down these mines or sacking the children will not make their situation better, it will make it massively worse.
Of course, that is too complex a situation for the media and for many people. Hence they demand that child labor be stopped and are thereby contributing to the evil.
With something extremely complex. The utter failure of all engineering skill and insight.
Actually a felony. Hence one order of magnitude worse than the piracy they claim to fight.
These people should go to prison for criminal hacking. In many penal codes what they did is at least one order of magnitude worse than piracy.
And fail. (Not your fault, it is easy to fall for this.) Compliance does not create security. In actual reality, it _decreases_ it, because it reduces mental capabilities available to understanding.
The only thing that creates security in people that must have "access" is understanding of what they do. Hence a) make sure all people with access to sensitive data really have a clue how things work and b) make sure they have personal integrity. No, a regular "screening" will not accomplish this. Also c) don't do evil things that will rub people with personal integrity the wrong way. Especially c) is often infeasible for government agencies, because they often are evil by design, not only by policy. Item a) makes people expensive and item b) very often makes them not want to work for the government in the first place.
So, no, I do not think this can be fixed. Just the same as "laws" do not fix "crime". In many cases they create it and without good reason.
Since they apply for classified government work, "unethical" is pretty much part of the job description.
Complete bullshit. The idea is to intimidate the candidates and identify those openly not intimidated. These then fail. With all others, they hope they stay intimidated.
You are just regurgitating propaganda. Look at what screenings high-level defectors and leakers went through to get an idea about how well that screening actually works.
Indeed. "Work" is over for many people, probably a majority. It will just take some more time to become blatantly obvious. But money (an UBI is without any alternative) is just one aspect of the problem. People need something to do in order to have meaning in their lives. That will be a lot harder to provide.
We may still get that uprising even with an UBI. It is clearly necessary, but people need meaning in their lives and for most that comes from their job.
And that is exactly the problem. The "proper" employees are not a risk, because they cannot get even get the work done. The second problem is that the process to get a clearance is based on a completely broken perception of the world. You can not evaluate whether somebody has honor, loyalty and integrity and their history, friends, family, etc. do not indicate so either. At the same time, even somebody deeply loyal may suddenly find they are more loyal to their species than to some scummy government agency trying to screw everybody over.
The only way prevent loyalty-problems with contractors is to a) pay them well b) treat them well and c) do not do evil crap that they may rightfully object to. Of course, all three are beyond what a dysfunctional government agency can do, so leaks (and sabotage) will continue to happen.
It'll only keep happening until a major group completely collapses until the weight of it's own virtue signalling.
I really hope you are right. Looks more like they just move on to the next project to destroy when they have totaled one. And, of course, it never was their fault.
Indeed.
Obviously their director of marketing mistook herself to be the political officer.