Aaand fail. I most decidedly did not say "Consciousness is currently undefined", but that you do nicely shows that you do not understand the question.
You see, the thing here is that consciousness is something we find to exist (and that, incidentally, allows us to "find" things), while a "definition" is a purely imaginary construct.
And there will not be for a long, long time, possibly forever. The best you can get is logic inference, but that is not reasoning. Reasoning is a process involving understanding and that is not to be had in computers today. One reason is that it seems to require consciousness, a thing completely not understood at this time. Another one is that reasoning is a general-purpose tool, not something very specific to the application.
And if it is still around for another 20 years, I will ignore it for those too. It has nothing to recommend it, and it is frankly not necessary or beneficial for anything. My fwvm configuration from 25 years back (initially on SunOS) works just fine, with half a day spend porting it to fvwm2 during the whole time.
Sounds like sites that serve lies (of whatever you want to call non-facts presented as facts) need to invest a bit more effort. On the plus side, if they do, they now have more clout, because "Google says it is true".
Another instance of Google "engineers" and "scientists" grossly overestimating what can actually be automatized and what cannot. Or maybe they just do not care as long as they get more clicks. Google is much more of a problem these days than a good thing.
Authoritarian followers are not only vicious, they are also stupid. No police-state in history has ever done good things for its citizens, yet these here demand one.
Aehm, no? If they restricted themselves to the things they should legitimately do, they would have to sack half their people and give up all their new shiny toys. That is not going to happen...
Efficiency and cost play a huge role in mass-surveillance. If you cannot establish fascism relatively cheaply, you will generally fail to establish it at all. So this is actually an efficient countermeasure, given that "site scraping" is something these sites try to make hard.
It could even be a classical system with non-verbal cues or a remote in somebodies pocket. Then it could be a very primitive system that just plays a statement at the press of a button-combination. You could have built that 30 years ago with much the same presentation, albeit a lot more expensively and probably almost 100 years ago if you do not mind some wires.
While I agree that AI research should continue, I doubt that we will ever get any real intelligence from it. We still do not even have plausible theory how intelligence could be created in this physical universe (no, humans do not count as "proof", unless you also have some proof that physicalism is correct, and no, it is not "obvious"), and quite a lot of really smart humans have been looking for a long time. It also does not seem to be a question of computing power. On the plus side, faked intelligence has quite a few useful applications, and faking it for special situations has gotten better over time. There are also things like planning algorithms that do not need any intelligence to arrive at useful results.
Well, even completely fake AI can be smarter than some human beings...
(No, it cannot. But no smarts on human side, no smarts on machine, yet machine has a pre-configured statement that sounds smart, the machine can still come out ahead...)
The thing is that it is only possible for, say 15% or so of all people. The others cannot learn deep things anyways, regardless of how they are learning.
I think the faulty thinking applied here goes something like this: Many people cannot learn by themselves with written materials only. Hence they must be taught in the traditional fashion, because that one being traditional, obviously must work.
Of course, the second part is disconnected from reality. The only thing that traditional learning does well is teach conformity and some rote skills. For the most part it wastes people's time.
And that is just the point. People that know how to communicate do not need the full bandwidth, a tiny fraction is enough. For the others, it does not help, as they have no clue how to use it in the first place. Many of them will want if for an illusion of control though.
And basically all of that is irrelevant for the purpose at hand. You fail. A possible explanation is that you vastly overestimate the worth of what you believe you have to say.
These people have the most shoddy experiments and the grandest claims. And they have a flawed, nonscientific base-assumption, namely that physicalism is correct. There is no indication for that and quite a few to the contrary, but the scientific facts at this time are that we simply do not know. Building a scientific discipline on such a flawed basis makes it pseudo-science at best and a bizarre form of religion at worst.
Hehehe, funny. So far the few poster-girl CEOs are demonstrating they can fuck up and line their own pockets with the best of them. No idea whether women are doing better out of the spot-light, but I somehow doubt it.
They may also see a lot of people that would ordinarily go to Win10, but do not due to MSes evil and incompetent machinations. I mean, did they have any of the forced updates so far go right?
Today. And it is not even difficult. The problem is not that they do not allow removal. The problem is that systemd is the default and the process that was used to force it into that role.
Most criminals, especially young ones cannot deal with what is required for that: Don't brag, don't get greedy, keep your ego in check, etc. One reason is that smart people realize that most crime does not pay in the long run and that the crime that does (running a bank, becoming a CEO with excessive compensation, etc.) is very hard to get into.
I am not disputing the claims of religion here, I am disputing the argumentation techniques used to convince people. The argumentation techniques commonly used these days to claim us living in a simulation is "likely" are pretty similar, if less refined and more dependent on mysticism. Religion had, after all, millennia to refine its propaganda-techniques and is a huge wealth and power-concentrator, so it does attract competent marketing people.
When it comes down to it, strongly believing we live in a simulation is just as stupid as strongly believing the usual religious claims and the arguments given by the simulation-proponents are not any better.
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Aaand fail. I most decidedly did not say "Consciousness is currently undefined", but that you do nicely shows that you do not understand the question.
You see, the thing here is that consciousness is something we find to exist (and that, incidentally, allows us to "find" things), while a "definition" is a purely imaginary construct.
And there will not be for a long, long time, possibly forever. The best you can get is logic inference, but that is not reasoning. Reasoning is a process involving understanding and that is not to be had in computers today. One reason is that it seems to require consciousness, a thing completely not understood at this time. Another one is that reasoning is a general-purpose tool, not something very specific to the application.
Hahaha, CDE. If was the reason we had fvwm on all SunOS workstations back then.
And if it is still around for another 20 years, I will ignore it for those too. It has nothing to recommend it, and it is frankly not necessary or beneficial for anything. My fwvm configuration from 25 years back (initially on SunOS) works just fine, with half a day spend porting it to fvwm2 during the whole time.
Sounds like sites that serve lies (of whatever you want to call non-facts presented as facts) need to invest a bit more effort. On the plus side, if they do, they now have more clout, because "Google says it is true".
Another instance of Google "engineers" and "scientists" grossly overestimating what can actually be automatized and what cannot. Or maybe they just do not care as long as they get more clicks. Google is much more of a problem these days than a good thing.
Authoritarian followers are not only vicious, they are also stupid. No police-state in history has ever done good things for its citizens, yet these here demand one.
Aehm, no? If they restricted themselves to the things they should legitimately do, they would have to sack half their people and give up all their new shiny toys. That is not going to happen...
Efficiency and cost play a huge role in mass-surveillance. If you cannot establish fascism relatively cheaply, you will generally fail to establish it at all. So this is actually an efficient countermeasure, given that "site scraping" is something these sites try to make hard.
It could even be a classical system with non-verbal cues or a remote in somebodies pocket. Then it could be a very primitive system that just plays a statement at the press of a button-combination. You could have built that 30 years ago with much the same presentation, albeit a lot more expensively and probably almost 100 years ago if you do not mind some wires.
While I agree that AI research should continue, I doubt that we will ever get any real intelligence from it. We still do not even have plausible theory how intelligence could be created in this physical universe (no, humans do not count as "proof", unless you also have some proof that physicalism is correct, and no, it is not "obvious"), and quite a lot of really smart humans have been looking for a long time. It also does not seem to be a question of computing power. On the plus side, faked intelligence has quite a few useful applications, and faking it for special situations has gotten better over time. There are also things like planning algorithms that do not need any intelligence to arrive at useful results.
Why the question mark? Obviously a PR stunt, and a pretty idiotic one at that, given what machines can actually do these days.
Talk about a clever fake...
Well, even completely fake AI can be smarter than some human beings ...
(No, it cannot. But no smarts on human side, no smarts on machine, yet machine has a pre-configured statement that sounds smart, the machine can still come out ahead...)
Very much so. This is a seriously idiotic stunt, nothing else.
Some of them already are. The problem is that most are not and many currently educated will not be.
The thing is that it is only possible for, say 15% or so of all people. The others cannot learn deep things anyways, regardless of how they are learning.
I think the faulty thinking applied here goes something like this: Many people cannot learn by themselves with written materials only. Hence they must be taught in the traditional fashion, because that one being traditional, obviously must work.
Of course, the second part is disconnected from reality. The only thing that traditional learning does well is teach conformity and some rote skills. For the most part it wastes people's time.
And that is just the point. People that know how to communicate do not need the full bandwidth, a tiny fraction is enough. For the others, it does not help, as they have no clue how to use it in the first place. Many of them will want if for an illusion of control though.
And basically all of that is irrelevant for the purpose at hand. You fail. A possible explanation is that you vastly overestimate the worth of what you believe you have to say.
These people have the most shoddy experiments and the grandest claims. And they have a flawed, nonscientific base-assumption, namely that physicalism is correct. There is no indication for that and quite a few to the contrary, but the scientific facts at this time are that we simply do not know. Building a scientific discipline on such a flawed basis makes it pseudo-science at best and a bizarre form of religion at worst.
Hehehe, funny. So far the few poster-girl CEOs are demonstrating they can fuck up and line their own pockets with the best of them. No idea whether women are doing better out of the spot-light, but I somehow doubt it.
No argument from me here.
MS has said a lot of things over the years that turned out to not be true anymore when their strategy failed.
They may also see a lot of people that would ordinarily go to Win10, but do not due to MSes evil and incompetent machinations. I mean, did they have any of the forced updates so far go right?
Today. And it is not even difficult. The problem is not that they do not allow removal. The problem is that systemd is the default and the process that was used to force it into that role.
Most criminals, especially young ones cannot deal with what is required for that: Don't brag, don't get greedy, keep your ego in check, etc. One reason is that smart people realize that most crime does not pay in the long run and that the crime that does (running a bank, becoming a CEO with excessive compensation, etc.) is very hard to get into.
I am not disputing the claims of religion here, I am disputing the argumentation techniques used to convince people. The argumentation techniques commonly used these days to claim us living in a simulation is "likely" are pretty similar, if less refined and more dependent on mysticism. Religion had, after all, millennia to refine its propaganda-techniques and is a huge wealth and power-concentrator, so it does attract competent marketing people.
When it comes down to it, strongly believing we live in a simulation is just as stupid as strongly believing the usual religious claims and the arguments given by the simulation-proponents are not any better.