Indeed. Also, why are there _still_ no drugs available that are cheap, safe, have minimal side-effect and provide a similar escape? Even with high-quality opioids, people can lead productive lives and get to a pretty old age. Imagine what a modern alternative could do. The whole thing would not be a crisis anymore. But some people just cannot stand when others have fun from anything but prayer.
I used to think that, but I do not anymore. Even though the current tech and Internet infrastructure is not really good, western society is critically dependent on it, which means that any severe problem will be addressed with high intensity. Not the same as having good (secure, reliable) tech, but the next best thing. And when something has so much invested in it and has become so critical, then it is only rational to depend on it and people do.
Well, for psychos like you punishment may work. Sometimes. But only about 1% of the population is psychos and most criminals are not. Hence in general, punishments does not work and it could be argued that people like you are mentally ill and hence should not be punished either, but be put behind some hospital walls in a closed facility to protect the rest of humanity from you.
I agree. But 4 is a massive pro. Before we did not know whether an UBI actually works. If it makes people really unhappy, that could be a major destructive force. And make no mistake, there is no alternative to an UBI. Automation will be killing a lot of jobs.
Interesting questing question. Probably most homeless are not motivated by greed and status. Makes them in some sense better people than the rest.
Now imagine that nobody could fall to homelessness and nobody had to resort do crime to make a living. Personally, I would only work on things that interest me in that situation. May still be a 50% full-time workload, admittedly.
Also, we will need to have a lot of people to be content with not having jobs (which is not the same as "laziness"), because most jobs will vanish and there will not be replacements. (Stop kidding yourself if you believe otherwise.) This experiment showed that people actually can deal with that without becoming discontent and that is extremely important for a stable society.
True. But you first do a small experiment to see how to design a larger one. And there is one exceptionally good result: People dis experience increased happiness. This was in no way an assured outcome. They could have felt useless and depressed instead and that would have meant an UBI is unworkable. This way, one of the potential problems had been found to not be one.
I agree. And as automation will take a lot of jobs in the coming decades with no replacements (stop kidding yourselves if you believe otherwise), this is actually a very good outcome. It means that an UBI is a way to keep society stable and working in the face of vanishing jobs. People need meaning on their lives and this means they can find it without work.
Indeed. Racism is one way people that have little to offer try to elevate themselves over others. As nobody had any choice in their race, this is also hugely anti-intellectual.
Makes one wonder who are the bad people here. Or rather it is pretty clear who are. Sure, I have had parcels stolen as well and was angry, but it is a minor annoyance. Wishing rape and torture on somebody for real (and I do not doubt this is for real) is something else. That is true viciousness and I do not know what can be worse in a person.
There are very few "criminals" around. Most people labelled as such just find they cannot obey all the rules made by people in in much better situations. The actual criminal minded ones (meaning they do have a real choice) you mostly find in positions of power and wealth.
Unfortunately true. Also true is that those in power want that to happen and to continue to happen, so the population is focusing much attention there and is reduced in intelligence as a result of fear, and hence ignores what those in power do. And a whole industry (police, legal, prisons) critically depends on crime. They will _not_ kill what feeds them, sad as that is.
Also completely agree with your sig. Best you can get as an intelligent person is temporary contentment.
Naa, but you can tell on your neighbors and get them sent to some concentration camp. You have to wait for a few years though, the police state is not in full bloom at this time.
It really depends. If a good passphrase is used, then the effective difficulty is likely > 100 bit and that is way outside of what can be cracked in this universe.
You are wayyyyyyy off. And you have no clue what you are talking about. First, 0.000000000001% is not a chance to anybody sane (you are either dumb or not sane) and second, if you have to spend, say, $100M in computing power for that chance, then this makes no sense at all. The funny thing is that anybody mining crypto-currencies should understand that cost/benefit idea. Apparently at least you are completely clueless.
Well, yes. Also because people these days are often unable to realize how little they actually know and understand. Probably an effect form opening up education to everybody and then dumbing it down so much that anybody can actually get a degree at the end.
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Indeed.
Indeed. Also, why are there _still_ no drugs available that are cheap, safe, have minimal side-effect and provide a similar escape? Even with high-quality opioids, people can lead productive lives and get to a pretty old age. Imagine what a modern alternative could do. The whole thing would not be a crisis anymore. But some people just cannot stand when others have fun from anything but prayer.
Indeed. Completely insane.
I used to think that, but I do not anymore. Even though the current tech and Internet infrastructure is not really good, western society is critically dependent on it, which means that any severe problem will be addressed with high intensity. Not the same as having good (secure, reliable) tech, but the next best thing. And when something has so much invested in it and has become so critical, then it is only rational to depend on it and people do.
This article is beyond stupid.
Indeed, it is. It is also a marketing-ploy, pretty much along the lines of curing one addiction with another (and possibly worse) one.
Well, for psychos like you punishment may work. Sometimes. But only about 1% of the population is psychos and most criminals are not. Hence in general, punishments does not work and it could be argued that people like you are mentally ill and hence should not be punished either, but be put behind some hospital walls in a closed facility to protect the rest of humanity from you.
Humans are not wild animals. Zoo animals are a much better comparison.
I agree. But 4 is a massive pro. Before we did not know whether an UBI actually works. If it makes people really unhappy, that could be a major destructive force. And make no mistake, there is no alternative to an UBI. Automation will be killing a lot of jobs.
Interesting questing question. Probably most homeless are not motivated by greed and status. Makes them in some sense better people than the rest.
Now imagine that nobody could fall to homelessness and nobody had to resort do crime to make a living. Personally, I would only work on things that interest me in that situation. May still be a 50% full-time workload, admittedly.
Also, we will need to have a lot of people to be content with not having jobs (which is not the same as "laziness"), because most jobs will vanish and there will not be replacements. (Stop kidding yourself if you believe otherwise.) This experiment showed that people actually can deal with that without becoming discontent and that is extremely important for a stable society.
True. But you first do a small experiment to see how to design a larger one. And there is one exceptionally good result: People dis experience increased happiness. This was in no way an assured outcome. They could have felt useless and depressed instead and that would have meant an UBI is unworkable. This way, one of the potential problems had been found to not be one.
I agree. And as automation will take a lot of jobs in the coming decades with no replacements (stop kidding yourselves if you believe otherwise), this is actually a very good outcome. It means that an UBI is a way to keep society stable and working in the face of vanishing jobs. People need meaning on their lives and this means they can find it without work.
You do know that punishment does not work for most crimes, right? The only thing that works is removing the incentives.
Indeed. Racism is one way people that have little to offer try to elevate themselves over others. As nobody had any choice in their race, this is also hugely anti-intellectual.
Paranoia makes people insane, violent and dangerous. These apps seem to be really dangerous in promoting that.
Makes one wonder who are the bad people here. Or rather it is pretty clear who are. Sure, I have had parcels stolen as well and was angry, but it is a minor annoyance. Wishing rape and torture on somebody for real (and I do not doubt this is for real) is something else. That is true viciousness and I do not know what can be worse in a person.
There are very few "criminals" around. Most people labelled as such just find they cannot obey all the rules made by people in in much better situations. The actual criminal minded ones (meaning they do have a real choice) you mostly find in positions of power and wealth.
Unfortunately true. Also true is that those in power want that to happen and to continue to happen, so the population is focusing much attention there and is reduced in intelligence as a result of fear, and hence ignores what those in power do. And a whole industry (police, legal, prisons) critically depends on crime. They will _not_ kill what feeds them, sad as that is.
Also completely agree with your sig. Best you can get as an intelligent person is temporary contentment.
Naa, but you can tell on your neighbors and get them sent to some concentration camp. You have to wait for a few years though, the police state is not in full bloom at this time.
The time-honored recipe for disaster. Why do humans never learn?
So have your employees twiddling their thumbs while MS tries to fix their broken infrastructure? That will go well...
Or rather the whole world, when the NSA accidentally loses its access credentials and they end up being generally available.
It really depends. If a good passphrase is used, then the effective difficulty is likely > 100 bit and that is way outside of what can be cracked in this universe.
You are wayyyyyyy off. And you have no clue what you are talking about. First, 0.000000000001% is not a chance to anybody sane (you are either dumb or not sane) and second, if you have to spend, say, $100M in computing power for that chance, then this makes no sense at all. The funny thing is that anybody mining crypto-currencies should understand that cost/benefit idea. Apparently at least you are completely clueless.
Well, yes. Also because people these days are often unable to realize how little they actually know and understand. Probably an effect form opening up education to everybody and then dumbing it down so much that anybody can actually get a degree at the end.