Uh, some of these arguments are forgetting something: Kids, in general, are instinctively curious, and will be drawn AUTOMAGICLY to anything that the grown-ups want to hide from them!
Don't any of the old fogey's in/. remember themselves or their friends smoking for the first time solely because they thought it was cool to do so because all the grown-ups didn't want them doing it?
We keep banning, hiding, locking and securing stuff from our children and simply ignoring or being blind to the fact that this builds the desire and curiosity in the children to want & do that forbidden thing more.
Microsoft can't get the damn front door to work properly as it is, which is why you have to use the Windows in the first place. You think they can properly implement a back door? Shit, there's no walls to begin with!
Basically, eat in moderation and don't snack between meals.
Any real diet that isn't Atkins or South Beach tells you this. Americans of course can't deal with self-discipline or effort. As with parents and the TV babysitter, we only want a simple solution involving no effort on our part.
The target audience is also a big consideration; these things are largely marketed to teenagers first and foremost, besides us nerdy 30-something losers who still play games.:)
So the look of a console, the coolness factor, is a concern. I thought the Gamecube was well thought out for this, it had a handle on it even! The person who designed that obviously did NOT forget their childhood.
Oh yeah this site got./'d already. Mirror plsokthxbbyelolroflcopterbbq!
What you're telling me is this: "I recognize that Windows is inferior but I will help it retain market dominance anyway, sacrificing my long-term goal (a nice OS) for short-term gratification (earlier game releases)." This is the perfect example of a good is the enemy of great situation.
Nope, thing is, I recognize there IS no perfect OS. As long as there is more than one, one product will do some things better than the other. I use what I use to get things done, do my professional work, and entertainment. All three of these scenarios involve different setups, different OS's.
The reason I think that OSX is superior over Windows is its Linux base. It's not because of the stupid GUI, window animations. Steve Jobs, or the "It's an Apple so it's automagicaly superior" bullshit attitude. It's because it's a real world-linux based system with useful production apps that a shithead like myself can easily use.
As a hobbyist, I build my own systems, over clock, stress and mod, and yes, play games. So of course I put out money for the hardware & toys to do so. If you want me to bring my money and enthusiasm to the MAC for this, both Apple and the game companies need to do what is necessary to prove to me that my time and $$$ investment will be worthwhile. It's up to them to entice me from an already established and proven platform for this. Windows had an uphill climb, back in the day, to prove itself as a useful gaming platform. It took time, but it happened; with MS pushing their technology and getting the programming & player community to accept it.
A random bonus the mac may have with getting games to it more easily is from the majority of publishers cross-developing for the various systems, including consoles of course.
I look foward to dual-booting both OS's off the same intel/amd system for the Best of Both Worlds.
If the gaming on OSX ever gets up to par with the windows systems, then it would be my OS of choice. It's no where near as fast as the Windows system is for this. And that's assuming the game you want to play is even ported to OSX.
Though the drawback to this is of course siding with Steve Jobs. *cries*
I agree, another damn IM.
Thankfully there's Trillian. Now I'd just like Trillian to gobble up XFire's gaming support so I can rid myself of that very useful -- but horrible programmed (cpu intensive, crashes, leaks) piece of shit.
Revolution was already deemed a failure by the general, big publishing and development companies, which is why it was announced that most of said companies aren't bothering to develop for it. (Search slashdot for that article, I'm too lazy).
You can smash this keyboard with both hands, your head, and anything else and it will always work. Resists Sodas, coffee and cat hair very well too!
As for mice, I really am in love with the Razor Diamondback http://www.razerzone.com/, you can change sensitivity on the fly with the roller while holding down any button you chose. Plus it has a LOT of buttons, 2 on each side. Regardless if you use them all or not, it's nice to have them there, unlike the Logitech mouse here which has 1 (!!!) side button. Obviously they are NOT researching games very well!
I know an Interior Decorator who killed 16 Checkoslavakians to help with that.
(Sorry, Sopranos quote.)
But yes I agree whole heartedly, as someone who started in the business outputting Quark files through RIP machines to film seperations, then moving to design work. I always felt Pagemaker was always superior to Quark in this. And NO ONE can argue that Quark was a superior program to Pagemaker, both programs allowed equal opportunity to design excellent work. Shit in, Shit out. The programs don't make your stuff look good!
'Interior decorator? His house looked like shit!' - Chris
I've been lanning for years, going back to Doom & Duke Nukem.
I will say that at every large lan I've been to consisting of 500 to 1000 attendees, you find LESS people playing games. It's aggravating, just walk around and you'll see people searching every share in network neighborhood, the P2P of the day, and so on. You'll find lots o' empty game servers though!
The real gamers and people who want to play games will show up to a LAN despite anti-filesharing policies. Hell I think it would boost the gameplay activity if anything, I don't see you losing people.
I'm not advocating gestapo regulations on filesharing at a LAN specificly because of copyright infreingement penalties. I go to lans to play games and dag nabbit the other people there should be too!
Slashdot Mirror
Apparently you, Anonymous Coward, didn't.
I thought the RSS feed for it had corrputed. This is really bad.
Uh, some of these arguments are forgetting something: Kids, in general, are instinctively curious, and will be drawn AUTOMAGICLY to anything that the grown-ups want to hide from them! Don't any of the old fogey's in /. remember themselves or their friends smoking for the first time solely because they thought it was cool to do so because all the grown-ups didn't want them doing it?
We keep banning, hiding, locking and securing stuff from our children and simply ignoring or being blind to the fact that this builds the desire and curiosity in the children to want & do that forbidden thing more.
That's pretty damn cool, I did not know they did that!
Wait till the RIAA finds out, it'll be killed!
Link to non gestapo site pls?
A banning of any spam Work at Home crap and recruiters. Monster is a joke because of this.
Microsoft can't get the damn front door to work properly as it is, which is why you have to use the Windows in the first place. You think they can properly implement a back door? Shit, there's no walls to begin with!
"Wer're ready to believe YOU."
Basically, eat in moderation and don't snack between meals.
Any real diet that isn't Atkins or South Beach tells you this. Americans of course can't deal with self-discipline or effort. As with parents and the TV babysitter, we only want a simple solution involving no effort on our part.
The target audience is also a big consideration; these things are largely marketed to teenagers first and foremost, besides us nerdy 30-something losers who still play games. :)
./'d already. Mirror plsokthxbbyelolroflcopterbbq!
So the look of a console, the coolness factor, is a concern. I thought the Gamecube was well thought out for this, it had a handle on it even! The person who designed that obviously did NOT forget their childhood.
Oh yeah this site got
What you're telling me is this: "I recognize that Windows is inferior but I will help it retain market dominance anyway, sacrificing my long-term goal (a nice OS) for short-term gratification (earlier game releases)." This is the perfect example of a good is the enemy of great situation.
Nope, thing is, I recognize there IS no perfect OS. As long as there is more than one, one product will do some things better than the other. I use what I use to get things done, do my professional work, and entertainment. All three of these scenarios involve different setups, different OS's.
The reason I think that OSX is superior over Windows is its Linux base. It's not because of the stupid GUI, window animations. Steve Jobs, or the "It's an Apple so it's automagicaly superior" bullshit attitude. It's because it's a real world-linux based system with useful production apps that a shithead like myself can easily use.
As a hobbyist, I build my own systems, over clock, stress and mod, and yes, play games. So of course I put out money for the hardware & toys to do so. If you want me to bring my money and enthusiasm to the MAC for this, both Apple and the game companies need to do what is necessary to prove to me that my time and $$$ investment will be worthwhile. It's up to them to entice me from an already established and proven platform for this. Windows had an uphill climb, back in the day, to prove itself as a useful gaming platform. It took time, but it happened; with MS pushing their technology and getting the programming & player community to accept it.
A random bonus the mac may have with getting games to it more easily is from the majority of publishers cross-developing for the various systems, including consoles of course.
I look foward to dual-booting both OS's off the same intel/amd system for the Best of Both Worlds.
If the gaming on OSX ever gets up to par with the windows systems, then it would be my OS of choice. It's no where near as fast as the Windows system is for this. And that's assuming the game you want to play is even ported to OSX.
Though the drawback to this is of course siding with Steve Jobs. *cries*
I agree, another damn IM. Thankfully there's Trillian. Now I'd just like Trillian to gobble up XFire's gaming support so I can rid myself of that very useful -- but horrible programmed (cpu intensive, crashes, leaks) piece of shit.
Revolution was already deemed a failure by the general, big publishing and development companies, which is why it was announced that most of said companies aren't bothering to develop for it. (Search slashdot for that article, I'm too lazy).
Keyboard: http://www.clickykeyboard.com/
You can smash this keyboard with both hands, your head, and anything else and it will always work. Resists Sodas, coffee and cat hair very well too!
As for mice, I really am in love with the Razor Diamondback http://www.razerzone.com/, you can change sensitivity on the fly with the roller while holding down any button you chose. Plus it has a LOT of buttons, 2 on each side. Regardless if you use them all or not, it's nice to have them there, unlike the Logitech mouse here which has 1 (!!!) side button. Obviously they are NOT researching games very well!
So YOUR one of the jerks that do that! >:)
But seriously, yes, on big-ticket items, PayPal really tears your a new one, especially if your dealing with cross-country money transactions.
Yes I do this shipping-padding already on big ticket items (over 1k usually).
I like the Paypal haters offer idea though. >:)
Can't wait. Can't wait to drop Paypal and their horrible transaction fees.
I guess what aggrivates me more is "Not being allowed to post buyer pays paypal transaction fees on ebay purchases" in your ebay posts.
And all the other crap Paypal pulls out of it's mighty ass.
Semi-intersting links:
http://paypalsucks.com/
http://www.paypalwarning.com/
I know an Interior Decorator who killed 16 Checkoslavakians to help with that.
(Sorry, Sopranos quote.)
But yes I agree whole heartedly, as someone who started in the business outputting Quark files through RIP machines to film seperations, then moving to design work. I always felt Pagemaker was always superior to Quark in this. And NO ONE can argue that Quark was a superior program to Pagemaker, both programs allowed equal opportunity to design excellent work. Shit in, Shit out. The programs don't make your stuff look good!
'Interior decorator? His house looked like shit!' - Chris
I've been lanning for years, going back to Doom & Duke Nukem.
I will say that at every large lan I've been to consisting of 500 to 1000 attendees, you find LESS people playing games. It's aggravating, just walk around and you'll see people searching every share in network neighborhood, the P2P of the day, and so on. You'll find lots o' empty game servers though!
The real gamers and people who want to play games will show up to a LAN despite anti-filesharing policies. Hell I think it would boost the gameplay activity if anything, I don't see you losing people.
I'm not advocating gestapo regulations on filesharing at a LAN specificly because of copyright infreingement penalties. I go to lans to play games and dag nabbit the other people there should be too!