I have two coworkers who did not know didly about the Mac, and yet bought one because thy were wowed by the eye candy in the store.(not for apps or security)
So the eye candy is not just needed to sell faster hardware, it is needed to compete with other OS's.
If I show someone a normal KDE desktop, the response is "ya whatever", if I show them 3d accelerated bouncing stuff with transperancy they start asking questions about what it is and where they can get it. The candy sells.
If a person knows how to type, they can take notes while never looking at the keyboard.Thus, there will be much MORE eye contact
When I write notes, I cannot stop watching my hand and the lines on the paper. I think that the faster speed of typing would allow more interaction as well.
Soon Mozilla/Firefox will have every failing opensource project BEGGING them for cash. They will become the OpenSource gravy train target if they give in and contribute.
Why the facination with Mr. T's thoughts on the GPL? He really isn't that big of a believer in Open Source. It just happened to be the vehicle that propelled him to fame. IT IS HIS RIGHT TO NOT REALLY CARE ABOUT OPEN SOURCE!
But what is this thing that/. seems to have about pretending there is this big NEW rift in the open source movement with Stalmans GPL v3? There is no rift, you have Stallman who is a believer, and Linus, who couldn't really give a crap as long as he can keep working unencumbered. That is why he chose bitkeeper, again, that is his right, as long as he does not pose as an Opensource poster boy(I don't think he usually does).
The GPL people WANT Apple to use the code, but when they closed source individuals make improvements and don't disclose it, everyone suffers. The whole concept of progress is each of us standing on the shoulders of giants(the pioneers before us) and making our own contribution. Then other people build on our work.
BUT IF YOU BREAK THE CHAIN, the whole inverted pyramid structure breaks down, and progress grinds to a halt.
The developers never asked Appl to start "GPLing their whole damn project". When comments like this are used, it is too often just fanboy deceit. (building a straw man) I hope your mistake is sincere.
Anyway, you are right that Apple cannot keep mankind from using the software, but they can hold back progress.
Note, I am not an opensource GPL developer, but it is tiring to see people who cannot grasp the very simple concepts they live by. I do not code outside of work, but at least I realize no matter how I rationalize it, they owe me NOTHING, and I have NO RIGHT to criticize what they have chosen to do, or they license they use.
Narrow minded? You are accusing the wrong party. It is not the GPL developers but Apple. A corporation is MANDATED to be narrow minded. They are mandated to maximize profits, not to do what is right, or good for mankind! If Apple respects the shareholder, they will try to screw the open source deveopers out of as much as they can, without scaring away the cow that gives the free milk. (That is why Apple treats them like crap so often, and then backtracks enough to keep at least the fanboys happy)
True, Appl could give a little cash or hardware, but what is a paltry amount of cash or a little hardware, when the real value of the software is in the millions or tens of millions of dollars?
Do the developers sell out for crumbs from the table of Apple?
Again, the GPL is all about the knowlege (the source code) being free. Being rewarded by a closed source company is not the goal. (most of those guys have day jobs working with closed source software, and that they do for money)
My reason if I were them would be... Apple would use it to increase market share, use my work to make tons of cash, and then not give anything back.
This would be bothersome to someone who picked the GPL, because obviously, they would have picked it because they believe this knowlege belongs to mankind, not some rich individual (jobs?).
That seems like a good enough reason to me.
You can twist the issue all you want, but it still sounds like fanboy talk. I have never contributed any code to a GPL project, and even I know the philosophy. (if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...)
The last time I was down there, New Guinea was still an independant country. Independance happened in the 70's or 80's I believe when Australia released them. (it is not owned by Indonesia as the article states)
The other half of the Island had renamed itself West Papua, but it used to be called Irian Jaya. It is claimed by Indonesia.
Every time something is done with the GPL we hear the same old TIRED line, "the GPL is anti business" or "this is the nail in the coffin". And yet, the GPL has allowed (no, encouraged) more corporate contributions, and allowed more corporations to benefit than any other licence.
I will sit back and watch this time as well... if history repeats, we will see V3 is the best yet.
As for Linus, he is only human and it seems he is having more difficulty not allowing emotions cloud his opinions as he ages, so his opinion of V3 carries little weight. (And how many of us are better than him?)
If the owner meant to imply that a Neon engine was a huge downgrade, he needs a new analogy.
I believe my dealer had a 2004 Boxster until recently. It had an optimistically rated 228 HP, VS a Neon SRT's 230 HP. Now the 2005 Boxter has 240 HP and a slightly modified Neon engine delivers 310 HP on 92 Octane. The neon engine is actually not bad.
If the author really wants to use Automotive analogies, try puting the engine from a stock VW Beatle in the Porsche. (Oh ya, Porsche almost did that already, I forgot. lol)
Not all Porsche's had guts. In fact, some of the VW powerplants were anemic.
I know a Porsche owner that wishes he had the power of a Dodge Neon SRT-4. That is 230 HP stock, and with a couple of mods, 310 HP on 92 octane.
I think you need a new analogy. Next time try Lada (or Yugo for those in the U.S.)
Again, I think IBM is moving in the right direction, but, to defend most of the software I have seen from IBM would be stretching reality a bit.
You conveniently leave out the fact that the majority of IBM software still is not up to snuff. You didn't mention MQ series, the majority of the Rational products around here are NOT stable, and are not intuitive and are missing functionality(like Rose not being able to reverse engineer Java 1.5 on our AIX or Windows platform). Even though Lotus Notes has come a long way, it is still a bit kludgy.
Oh, I didn't mention DB2(UDB), what kind of product makes you write your Stored Proceedures in C and compile them??? And it is a differn't codebase on each platform.
Again, I love the direction IBM is moving, but, I do not love the majority of software they have produced. Yes, you are right, they are a huge force behind Java.
The one real compliment I would make to IBM was the work on OS2, it was good for its day.
He is right, the giant software companies pump out inferiour stuff considering the resources available.
One of the worst offenders is IBM when they try to write stuff.
Ever try to work with MQ Series? Visual Age? (I could go on 4ever) That is why I applaud IBM for supporting Eclipse! They may fund it a bunch, but it is so much better than any of the products I see from them.
It is ironic that even when a company fully funds an open product, it is way better than what is produced when all the cash and control is kept inside. I think IBM is really starting to get it.
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I think the windows style default allows the newbies to work, and grow accostomed to KDE. The Power Users will of course have no problems changing things. Seems like sound logic to me.
no, this is not a troll. I have watched several good episodes so please leave my karma intact,
I watched an episode once were they compare fuel mileage while using Air conditioning to driving with windows open. The whole episode seemed designed to mislead.. Either they are incompetent and got bad advice on setting it up, or are decieptful.
The conclusion was that Open Windows are more efficent.
The conclusion should have been - At highway speeds AC is almost always more efficent, in stop and go traffic it may be less efficent at times! (With the additional info that an areodynamic car suffers more from open windows than does a pickup.)
The test used LARGE sport utility vehicles that are as areodynamically efficent as a brick. As a result, driving with windows open will create a smaller increase in drag than it would in a normal vehicle. (this favors the window open theory)
Then to compound this, they performed one test (where the AC won) and then claimed that it must be faulty because the unit measuring fuel would not handle the situation correctly.(it was a long flawed explanation)
Then they created the IDEAL situation where AC COULD NOT win. They slowed the vehicles down even more, and did the tests again.
Slowing down the vehicles causes the following effect
1. reduces drag (advantage open windows)
2. increases amount of time A.C. has to run (advantage open windows )
-also, they turned up the AC to FULL, they had to wear winter jackets it was so cold. (advantage open windows)
If we are talking about a limited time, DRM'ed download, I would pay just slightly less than renting(which is $1.50 canadian for old releases or $3.00 for new where I rent) But that is only IF it does not touch my system, or make me use some trusted computing platform that takes away my control.
If it was a ISO that could be burnt to a DVD, the answer is still the same. A little less than purchase price at the store. The case and silkscreening on the DVD are works of art that I cannot duplicate.
If it is a DRM'ed movie, that I have problems moving around, backing up, etc? It is not worth my time and worry. I will not even let it on my system.
It is time to call a spade a spade, yes, but maybe Microsoft is not advocating any form of socialism(where the gevernment actually calls the shots). I think Microsoft is pushing for a Facist state. Where the government and microsoft are in bed. The government always looking out for Microsofts interests so it can stay a monopoly, and Microsoft buying off the powers that be from time to time with a pittance of what they have squeezed out of the unsuspecting suckers - I mean citizens.
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I have two coworkers who did not know didly about the Mac, and yet bought one because thy were wowed by the eye candy in the store.(not for apps or security)
So the eye candy is not just needed to sell faster hardware, it is needed to compete with other OS's.
If I show someone a normal KDE desktop, the response is "ya whatever", if I show them 3d accelerated bouncing stuff with transperancy they start asking questions about what it is and where they can get it. The candy sells.
If a person knows how to type, they can take notes while never looking at the keyboard.Thus, there will be much MORE eye contact
When I write notes, I cannot stop watching my hand and the lines on the paper. I think that the faster speed of typing would allow more interaction as well.
Soon Mozilla/Firefox will have every failing opensource project BEGGING them for cash. They will become the OpenSource gravy train target if they give in and contribute.
Damned if they do, damned if they dont!
No one here has to like this guy if they don't want to, however, that does not make his admission of being a fundie "flamebait".
As one other individual pointed out, his post is no different than many others, except for that one admission.
We should not mod on a persons ethnicity, gender or religion!
Why the facination with Mr. T's thoughts on the GPL? He really isn't that big of a believer in Open Source. It just happened to be the vehicle that propelled him to fame. IT IS HIS RIGHT TO NOT REALLY CARE ABOUT OPEN SOURCE!
/. seems to have about pretending there is this big NEW rift in the open source movement with Stalmans GPL v3? There is no rift, you have Stallman who is a believer, and Linus, who couldn't really give a crap as long as he can keep working unencumbered. That is why he chose bitkeeper, again, that is his right, as long as he does not pose as an Opensource poster boy(I don't think he usually does).
But what is this thing that
Larry said "projects are only successful when major technology corporations get involved"
He meant to say "Only WHEN projects are successful do major technology corporations get involved"
(I guess we should thank the FEW corporations who are the exception to this rule, IBM with eclipse, Sun with Open Office)
The GPL people WANT Apple to use the code, but when they closed source individuals make improvements and don't disclose it, everyone suffers. The whole concept of progress is each of us standing on the shoulders of giants(the pioneers before us) and making our own contribution. Then other people build on our work.
BUT IF YOU BREAK THE CHAIN, the whole inverted pyramid structure breaks down, and progress grinds to a halt.
The developers never asked Appl to start "GPLing their whole damn project". When comments like this are used, it is too often just fanboy deceit. (building a straw man)
I hope your mistake is sincere.
Anyway, you are right that Apple cannot keep mankind from using the software, but they can hold back progress.
Note, I am not an opensource GPL developer, but it is tiring to see people who cannot grasp the very simple concepts they live by. I do not code outside of work, but at least I realize no matter how I rationalize it, they owe me NOTHING, and I have NO RIGHT to criticize what they have chosen to do, or they license they use.
Narrow minded? You are accusing the wrong party. It is not the GPL developers but Apple. A corporation is MANDATED to be narrow minded. They are mandated to maximize profits, not to do what is right, or good for mankind! If Apple respects the shareholder, they will try to screw the open source deveopers out of as much as they can, without scaring away the cow that gives the free milk. (That is why Apple treats them like crap so often, and then backtracks enough to keep at least the fanboys happy)
True, Appl could give a little cash or hardware, but what is a paltry amount of cash or a little hardware, when the real value of the software is in the millions or tens of millions of dollars?
Do the developers sell out for crumbs from the table of Apple?
Again, the GPL is all about the knowlege (the source code) being free. Being rewarded by a closed source company is not the goal. (most of those guys have day jobs working with closed source software, and that they do for money)
My reason if I were them would be...
Apple would use it to increase market share, use my work to make tons of cash, and then not give anything back.
This would be bothersome to someone who picked the GPL, because obviously, they would have picked it because they believe this knowlege belongs to mankind, not some rich individual (jobs?).
That seems like a good enough reason to me.
You can twist the issue all you want, but it still sounds like fanboy talk. I have never contributed any code to a GPL project, and even I know the philosophy. (if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...)
The last time I was down there, New Guinea was still an independant country. Independance happened in the 70's or 80's I believe when Australia released them. (it is not owned by Indonesia as the article states)
The other half of the Island had renamed itself West Papua, but it used to be called Irian Jaya. It is claimed by Indonesia.
Every time something is done with the GPL we hear the same old TIRED line, "the GPL is anti business" or "this is the nail in the coffin". And yet, the GPL has allowed (no, encouraged) more corporate contributions, and allowed more corporations to benefit than any other licence.
I will sit back and watch this time as well... if history repeats, we will see V3 is the best yet.
As for Linus, he is only human and it seems he is having more difficulty not allowing emotions cloud his opinions as he ages, so his opinion of V3 carries little weight. (And how many of us are better than him?)
Insightful???
If the owner meant to imply that a Neon engine was a huge downgrade, he needs a new analogy.
I believe my dealer had a 2004 Boxster until recently. It had an optimistically rated 228 HP, VS a Neon SRT's 230 HP. Now the 2005 Boxter has 240 HP and a slightly modified Neon engine delivers 310 HP on 92 Octane. The neon engine is actually not bad.
If the author really wants to use Automotive analogies, try puting the engine from a stock VW Beatle in the Porsche. (Oh ya, Porsche almost did that already, I forgot. lol)
Insightful?
Not all Porsche's had guts. In fact, some of the VW powerplants were anemic. I know a Porsche owner that wishes he had the power of a Dodge Neon SRT-4. That is 230 HP stock, and with a couple of mods, 310 HP on 92 octane.
I think you need a new analogy. Next time try Lada (or Yugo for those in the U.S.)
Again, I think IBM is moving in the right direction, but, to defend most of the software I have seen from IBM would be stretching reality a bit.
You conveniently leave out the fact that the majority of IBM software still is not up to snuff. You didn't mention MQ series, the majority of the Rational products around here are NOT stable, and are not intuitive and are missing functionality(like Rose not being able to reverse engineer Java 1.5 on our AIX or Windows platform). Even though Lotus Notes has come a long way, it is still a bit kludgy.
Oh, I didn't mention DB2(UDB), what kind of product makes you write your Stored Proceedures in C and compile them??? And it is a differn't codebase on each platform.
Again, I love the direction IBM is moving, but, I do not love the majority of software they have produced.
Yes, you are right, they are a huge force behind Java.
The one real compliment I would make to IBM was the work on OS2, it was good for its day.
He is right, the giant software companies pump out inferiour stuff considering the resources available.
One of the worst offenders is IBM when they try to write stuff.
Ever try to work with MQ Series? Visual Age? (I could go on 4ever)
That is why I applaud IBM for supporting Eclipse! They may fund it a bunch, but it is so much better than any of the products I see from them.
It is ironic that even when a company fully funds an open product, it is way better than what is produced when all the cash and control is kept inside. I think IBM is really starting to get it.
I think the windows style default allows the newbies to work, and grow accostomed to KDE. The Power Users will of course have no problems changing things.
Seems like sound logic to me.
no, this is not a troll. I have watched several good episodes so please leave my karma intact, I watched an episode once were they compare fuel mileage while using Air conditioning to driving with windows open. The whole episode seemed designed to mislead.. Either they are incompetent and got bad advice on setting it up, or are decieptful. The conclusion was that Open Windows are more efficent. The conclusion should have been - At highway speeds AC is almost always more efficent, in stop and go traffic it may be less efficent at times! (With the additional info that an areodynamic car suffers more from open windows than does a pickup.) The test used LARGE sport utility vehicles that are as areodynamically efficent as a brick. As a result, driving with windows open will create a smaller increase in drag than it would in a normal vehicle. (this favors the window open theory) Then to compound this, they performed one test (where the AC won) and then claimed that it must be faulty because the unit measuring fuel would not handle the situation correctly.(it was a long flawed explanation) Then they created the IDEAL situation where AC COULD NOT win. They slowed the vehicles down even more, and did the tests again. Slowing down the vehicles causes the following effect 1. reduces drag (advantage open windows) 2. increases amount of time A.C. has to run (advantage open windows ) -also, they turned up the AC to FULL, they had to wear winter jackets it was so cold. (advantage open windows)
If we are talking about a limited time, DRM'ed download, I would pay just slightly less than renting(which is $1.50 canadian for old releases or $3.00 for new where I rent) But that is only IF it does not touch my system, or make me use some trusted computing platform that takes away my control. If it was a ISO that could be burnt to a DVD, the answer is still the same. A little less than purchase price at the store. The case and silkscreening on the DVD are works of art that I cannot duplicate. If it is a DRM'ed movie, that I have problems moving around, backing up, etc? It is not worth my time and worry. I will not even let it on my system.
It is time to call a spade a spade, yes, but maybe Microsoft is not advocating any form of socialism(where the gevernment actually calls the shots). I think Microsoft is pushing for a Facist state. Where the government and microsoft are in bed. The government always looking out for Microsofts interests so it can stay a monopoly, and Microsoft buying off the powers that be from time to time with a pittance of what they have squeezed out of the unsuspecting suckers - I mean citizens.