I agree with most of these. I never meant to suggest either Intel of MSFT would concede the EU market. But what about the next company - perhaps not to large and not so invested in continuing to do business in the EU?
Whether considered the cost of doing business or for rightful punishments for violating the law, someday this could go too far and cause a company to simply pack up and leave to the detriment of competition in the EU.
The term 'anti-competitive' is what most companies desire to some degree or another; to reduce the effectiveness of or marginalize the competition. I'm against monopolistic behavior. And although MSFT and Intel may have raised the ire of the EU on this front, I'm waiting for the day the EU fines a business so much they simply stop doing business in the EU.
Someday, the irony might be that the EU's actions result in reduced competition when a company simply packs up their products and leaves.
100% accurate - and/. needs to check their facts.
No one is receiving this through Automatic Updates (the agent that runs in the background periodically checking for updates and downloading them when available). Only beta testers using pre-release software could even receive this through what's called AU.
Some facts are missing. And pre-release software is being used.
You've gotten close to the point I expected to see in this thread, namely:
Will Apple, Microsoft, Creative and Sandisk simply let the music player industry evaporate because it's suddenly illegal to copy legally owned CD music to a music player. Will Roku's Soundbridge, Microsoft's built-in WMP 11 streaming server, and all open source streaming software and all digital media players cease business because of this short-sighted stance against 'copies' of music from music CDs?
RIAA - think you're an irresistible force? Meet the immovable objects 'public support' and the 'music player industry'. Good luck.
Not that I'm saying a Smart car would survive being crushed by an SUV, this is an impressive video (correct paste this time): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s
I think this is where all of the competing and comfusingly complex technologies are leading us. Everyone on this site can pick the music, its format and the player they want it to be on. We can rip and encode and recode to get exactly what we want.
Most people can't.
Gone are the days that anyone who has a record player knows they can buy an LP and play it - or a CD player to play a CD. Today's world is full of music formats, players, restrictions and problems.
Show me someone off this site who got their HD TV hooked into their high-def DVD player with the HD cable box to experience Dolby or DTS sound - and I'll show you a cable installer, a Circuit City rep and the neighborhood geek who made a lot of money 'installing' this stuff for them.
The reason no one I know buys music players besides iPods is because the limitations, restrictions and conditions on how they can get, download and use the music. It's just too complicated for the average "I have a CD player" consumer.
This is a slippery legal slope for the authorities to take. If the couple is guilty of 'stalking', then aren't cops when they film others from their mounted car cams?
They should think through this before using 'stalking' as their excuse. I could see a lot of criminals using this new offense as a way to get off convictions based on what the car-cam captured - or at least countersuits alleging police 'stalking'
What a disappointingly naive response. There's no value this post brings to the discussion. And barring your typo in DMCA, it wasn't the Bush administration that signed DMCA into law.
If anything, some administration - I don't care who - should reconcile the divide between Fair Use and DMCA once and for all so we all know whether we can rip our own music from copies that we own (even if it takes circumventing copy protection to do so).
Until that fundamental question is resolved, these John Q. Public vs. RIAA/DMCA/ issues and discussions on/. will continue...
I worked at WorkPerfect UNIX (5.1 and 6.0 at the time) and I was one of 3 last-tier support techs for customer escalations. The irate, well-paid lawyer complained that ever since installing the latest version of WP with its new print drivers, the printer has been squeeking. Yes - WordPerfect broke the printer.
No amount of reasoning from any of hte previous techs down the line satisfied her - and I was just about out of reasonable explanations about how there was absolutely no way WordPerfect could have caused this.
Being the last-tier of support, I decided to provide a bit of white-glove service as a last resort. I put her on hold, contacted a HP printer service center in her area (SF, CA), told them the deal and told them we'd pay the bill whatever it cost (this was back in the glory days of WP where we could had a blank check to do whatever it took to make a customer happy).
I got back on the phone, told her I spoke with one of our developers who assured us that - as remote as this problem was - that technically is COULD happen. I also told her that we were sending out a repair tech the next day (who, of course, was the HP hardware tech) who wouldn't leave until the problem solved.
The result? The next day, not 1 but 2 thank you calls for being the ONE TECH who truely understood the problem and had the BRAINS that no one else seemed to have to solve her problem. 1 huge complementary letter to my managers and 1 happy customer.
The HP tech and I had a big laugh about it for weeks afterward.
Back in the days of WordPerfect 5.1 for UNIX, we did some research that showed each mouse click was worth 8 keystrokes. At the time, this convinced us even further that people wouldn't move to the new Microsoft 'Windows' since it would be more difficult to use a mouse than to continue to use well-known keystrokes and keyboard shortcuts....that mouse thing would never catch on - or so we thought...
Clearly you can do more Office-based (nonCAD/graphics work) faster with a keyboard - but just try to tell Office Worker A and Office Worker B that...
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Agreed
No matter how glorious you think someone else's turd is, no one wants it in their punch bowl.
"...Anyway, all these computers and digital gadgets are no good. They just fill your head with numbers and that can't be good for you."
"And there are simply too many notes, that's all. Just cut a few and it will be perfect."
If it weren't for the competition from Bing, would this have even happened?
Didn't we do this already? I thought this is how we ended up with all the different languages.
I agree with most of these. I never meant to suggest either Intel of MSFT would concede the EU market. But what about the next company - perhaps not to large and not so invested in continuing to do business in the EU?
Whether considered the cost of doing business or for rightful punishments for violating the law, someday this could go too far and cause a company to simply pack up and leave to the detriment of competition in the EU.
The term 'anti-competitive' is what most companies desire to some degree or another; to reduce the effectiveness of or marginalize the competition. I'm against monopolistic behavior. And although MSFT and Intel may have raised the ire of the EU on this front, I'm waiting for the day the EU fines a business so much they simply stop doing business in the EU.
Someday, the irony might be that the EU's actions result in reduced competition when a company simply packs up their products and leaves.
+1 more reason to loathe Sony +1 more reason to stick with SD DVDs God I miss HD-DVD
And this is supposed to discourage frivolous class-action suits?
100% accurate - and /. needs to check their facts.
No one is receiving this through Automatic Updates (the agent that runs in the background periodically checking for updates and downloading them when available). Only beta testers using pre-release software could even receive this through what's called AU.
Some facts are missing. And pre-release software is being used.
You've gotten close to the point I expected to see in this thread, namely:
Will Apple, Microsoft, Creative and Sandisk simply let the music player industry evaporate because it's suddenly illegal to copy legally owned CD music to a music player. Will Roku's Soundbridge, Microsoft's built-in WMP 11 streaming server, and all open source streaming software and all digital media players cease business because of this short-sighted stance against 'copies' of music from music CDs?
RIAA - think you're an irresistible force? Meet the immovable objects 'public support' and the 'music player industry'. Good luck.
Dell rescinded. They say they blew it by threatening a takedown. http://consumerist.com/consumer/takedowns/dell-adm its-error-in-asking-consumerist-to-remove-post-269 653.php
Not that I'm saying a Smart car would survive being crushed by an SUV, this is an impressive video (correct paste this time): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s
Not that I'm saying a Smart car would survive being crushed by an SUV, this is an impressive video: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/16/174223 7
I think this is where all of the competing and comfusingly complex technologies are leading us. Everyone on this site can pick the music, its format and the player they want it to be on. We can rip and encode and recode to get exactly what we want. Most people can't. Gone are the days that anyone who has a record player knows they can buy an LP and play it - or a CD player to play a CD. Today's world is full of music formats, players, restrictions and problems. Show me someone off this site who got their HD TV hooked into their high-def DVD player with the HD cable box to experience Dolby or DTS sound - and I'll show you a cable installer, a Circuit City rep and the neighborhood geek who made a lot of money 'installing' this stuff for them. The reason no one I know buys music players besides iPods is because the limitations, restrictions and conditions on how they can get, download and use the music. It's just too complicated for the average "I have a CD player" consumer.
This is a slippery legal slope for the authorities to take. If the couple is guilty of 'stalking', then aren't cops when they film others from their mounted car cams? They should think through this before using 'stalking' as their excuse. I could see a lot of criminals using this new offense as a way to get off convictions based on what the car-cam captured - or at least countersuits alleging police 'stalking'
What a disappointingly naive response. There's no value this post brings to the discussion. And barring your typo in DMCA, it wasn't the Bush administration that signed DMCA into law.
/. will continue...
If anything, some administration - I don't care who - should reconcile the divide between Fair Use and DMCA once and for all so we all know whether we can rip our own music from copies that we own (even if it takes circumventing copy protection to do so).
Until that fundamental question is resolved, these John Q. Public vs. RIAA/DMCA/ issues and discussions on
I worked at WorkPerfect UNIX (5.1 and 6.0 at the time) and I was one of 3 last-tier support techs for customer escalations. The irate, well-paid lawyer complained that ever since installing the latest version of WP with its new print drivers, the printer has been squeeking. Yes - WordPerfect broke the printer. No amount of reasoning from any of hte previous techs down the line satisfied her - and I was just about out of reasonable explanations about how there was absolutely no way WordPerfect could have caused this. Being the last-tier of support, I decided to provide a bit of white-glove service as a last resort. I put her on hold, contacted a HP printer service center in her area (SF, CA), told them the deal and told them we'd pay the bill whatever it cost (this was back in the glory days of WP where we could had a blank check to do whatever it took to make a customer happy). I got back on the phone, told her I spoke with one of our developers who assured us that - as remote as this problem was - that technically is COULD happen. I also told her that we were sending out a repair tech the next day (who, of course, was the HP hardware tech) who wouldn't leave until the problem solved. The result? The next day, not 1 but 2 thank you calls for being the ONE TECH who truely understood the problem and had the BRAINS that no one else seemed to have to solve her problem. 1 huge complementary letter to my managers and 1 happy customer. The HP tech and I had a big laugh about it for weeks afterward.
Back in the days of WordPerfect 5.1 for UNIX, we did some research that showed each mouse click was worth 8 keystrokes. At the time, this convinced us even further that people wouldn't move to the new Microsoft 'Windows' since it would be more difficult to use a mouse than to continue to use well-known keystrokes and keyboard shortcuts. ...that mouse thing would never catch on - or so we thought...
Clearly you can do more Office-based (nonCAD/graphics work) faster with a keyboard - but just try to tell Office Worker A and Office Worker B that...