I'd be happy to just settle for support for Exchange 2007 in Evolution 2.22 (I mainly use KDE applications in a gnome desktop anyway). I'm getting tired of work-arounds. What did all that Microsoft money to Novell buy?
I would have agreed completely until recently, when Linus decided to start demanding payments from Australian companies for trademark use. Now its hard to root for anyone.
Can someone please clarify who www.linuxnj.com is/are and how they obtained this letter? I am not very happy with SSC over this situation but I would like to know who is providing this and what axes they have to grind. Verifying its authenticity would be helpful.
Hormel are not being "bad guys" here. Hormel is not trying to keep you from using the word spam in your private conversations. They do want to keep another proprietary, for-profit company from holding a trademark on a name they they have used, developed and marketed to the public for many years. If they do not show due diligence in protecting their trademark, they lose right to that trademark. Even if the court rules against them, they made due diligence to protect the trademark. I think Hormel has been pretty cool about letting people use the term and has not been hassling people but must make efforts to protect their trademark.
An excellent point. Claiming a current product which is actually being sold includes features which are not present is fraud - Saying Duke Nukem Forever will be done "when it's done" is just disappointing.
A very nice and concise review and discussion. The questions, in particular, are a great preparation for a rebuttal. Polite and informed disagreement will go lot farther in an audiences opinion than shouting "LINUX ROXORS". In extreme situations, it may still be necessary to fall back on that technique:^)
Ransom and Caldera have always been rather "offbeat" members of the Linux community. I see no problems with them further withdrawing from the community into the proprietary software world - which is where I think Love is planning to take them. This recent spate of business "writing off" or "taking" losses is in part due to the Enron scandal. No company wants to be seen as hiding losses which might be discovered by the SEC, plantiff lawyers for shareholders' lawsuits, etc.. So no surprise as many other companies are rushing to confess losses.
While I agree that everyone wins when sysadmins take an active roll in security (except crackers), but what if the new version of software isn't ready by the arbitrary date - or has no software ever missed it shipping date before?:)
Its fair that there has been some disagreement between parties, but the current state allows corporations to brand anyone who discloses information responsibly (after appropriately informing the company of a vunerability) as a blackhat hacker and the corporation as a wounded party. They don't care to mention that their vunerability has resulted in countless manhours of sys admin time to correct the fault, deal with the Nimda/Code Red of the week and apply patches - and the corporations often maintain that they should be allowed to keep the information secret from responsible sys admins well after script kiddies are trading the exploit.
Having a standard document will allow mature parties to avoid being branded crackers if they can follow a published disclosure protocol.
Agreed. But I'd rather they take Caldera, which is probably on its last financial legs, and leave RedHat alone. An AOL buyout of RedHat will mean many of the RH people leaving, thus leading to longterm harm.
In many countries in the past, it has been easier and faster to obtain and use a pirated copy of Microsoft software than bother with another OS, such as Linux. This still appears to be the case. However, ever tightening anti-piracy methods by Microsoft may decrease the former ease of pirating MS software and lead to a [somewhat;)] higher chance of people utilizing Linux.
I believe that the DMCA requires the ISp to remove any contested site. The site which has been removed can request reinstatement, but free speech has already been throttled and a website now may have to spend considerable attorney fees to get reinstatement - though the complaint action is fairly inexpensive for a large corporation.
Your points are well taken and it would be interesting if you wanted to publish your own comparison benchmarks. Almost infinite variables can be tweaked and the author wanted to compare one environment. Tweak some more, and publish. We'll all learn fom it.
"Nevertheless, Gartner's Litan said that "the added trust that consumers have in Microsoft gives the company an important leg up in its battle with AOL for online services."
Litan added: "Consumers will be more likely to try new Microsoft features embedded in Windows XP (news - web sites), such as Microsoft Messaging."
Gartner has acted as Microsoft's hatchetman before, this fits well as another MS move to counter AOL getting an icon on the desktop on Windows XP via the OEMs.
Given the litiginous atmosphere these days, the fact that MS doesn't get sued all the time suggests that the protections claimed by MS in the EULA are very strong indeed. Otherwise, wouldn't someone have already challenged Microsoft; or some lawyer be trying to make some money off a class action lwsuit for Melissa, ILoveYou, etc, etc, etc.
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Not having any problems. I like the new layout and appearance much better than 2011. Email is going out without a problem.
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I'd be happy to just settle for support for Exchange 2007 in Evolution 2.22 (I mainly use KDE applications in a gnome desktop anyway). I'm getting tired of work-arounds. What did all that Microsoft money to Novell buy?
Now we can drive bigger cars and oil will never run out! :0
I would have agreed completely until recently, when Linus decided to start demanding payments from Australian companies for trademark use. Now its hard to root for anyone.
Thanks,just wanted to understand. I am on the volunteer side on this and wish you good luck
Can someone please clarify who www.linuxnj.com is/are and how they obtained this letter? I am not very happy with SSC over this situation but I would like to know who is providing this and what axes they have to grind. Verifying its authenticity would be helpful.
Hormel are not being "bad guys" here. Hormel is not trying to keep you from using the word spam in your private conversations. They do want to keep another proprietary, for-profit company from holding a trademark on a name they they have used, developed and marketed to the public for many years. If they do not show due diligence in protecting their trademark, they lose right to that trademark. Even if the court rules against them, they made due diligence to protect the trademark. I think Hormel has been pretty cool about letting people use the term and has not been hassling people but must make efforts to protect their trademark.
An excellent point. Claiming a current product which is actually being sold includes features which are not present is fraud - Saying Duke Nukem Forever will be done "when it's done" is just disappointing.
:P
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A very nice and concise review and discussion. The questions, in particular, are a great preparation for a rebuttal. Polite and informed disagreement will go lot farther in an audiences opinion than shouting "LINUX ROXORS". In extreme situations, it may still be necessary to fall back on that technique :^)
Bruce van Natta
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Ransom and Caldera have always been rather "offbeat" members of the Linux community. I see no problems with them further withdrawing from the community into the proprietary software world - which is where I think Love is planning to take them. This recent spate of business "writing off" or "taking" losses is in part due to the Enron scandal. No company wants to be seen as hiding losses which might be discovered by the SEC, plantiff lawyers for shareholders' lawsuits, etc.. So no surprise as many other companies are rushing to confess losses.
Thank God, the next time Wil Wheaton makes another nano-lifeform there will be a way to defeat it ;)
While I agree that everyone wins when sysadmins take an active roll in security (except crackers), but what if the new version of software isn't ready by the arbitrary date - or has no software ever missed it shipping date before? :)
Its fair that there has been some disagreement between parties, but the current state allows corporations to brand anyone who discloses information responsibly (after appropriately informing the company of a vunerability) as a blackhat hacker and the corporation as a wounded party. They don't care to mention that their vunerability has resulted in countless manhours of sys admin time to correct the fault, deal with the Nimda/Code Red of the week and apply patches - and the corporations often maintain that they should be allowed to keep the information secret from responsible sys admins well after script kiddies are trading the exploit.
Having a standard document will allow mature parties to avoid being branded crackers if they can follow a published disclosure protocol.
Agreed. But I'd rather they take Caldera, which is probably on its last financial legs, and leave RedHat alone. An AOL buyout of RedHat will mean many of the RH people leaving, thus leading to longterm harm.
A linux binary will be available shortly through Tux Games which will also have the Windows version on the CD. It can be pre-ordered now.
In many countries in the past, it has been easier and faster to obtain and use a pirated copy of Microsoft software than bother with another OS, such as Linux. This still appears to be the case. However, ever tightening anti-piracy methods by Microsoft may decrease the former ease of pirating MS software and lead to a [somewhat ;)] higher chance of people utilizing Linux.
I believe that the DMCA requires the ISp to remove any contested site. The site which has been removed can request reinstatement, but free speech has already been throttled and a website now may have to spend considerable attorney fees to get reinstatement - though the complaint action is fairly inexpensive for a large corporation.
Your points are well taken and it would be interesting if you wanted to publish your own comparison benchmarks. Almost infinite variables can be tweaked and the author wanted to compare one environment. Tweak some more, and publish. We'll all learn fom it.
Gartner has acted as Microsoft's hatchetman before, this fits well as another MS move to counter AOL getting an icon on the desktop on Windows XP via the OEMs.
Given the litiginous atmosphere these days, the fact that MS doesn't get sued all the time suggests that the protections claimed by MS in the EULA are very strong indeed. Otherwise, wouldn't someone have already challenged Microsoft; or some lawyer be trying to make some money off a class action lwsuit for Melissa, ILoveYou, etc, etc, etc.