While I'm not taking sides here, the "debate" (I use the term lightly) isn't between "the little people" and "big corporations". You can't call the United Nations, the U.S. Government and other very, very large and influential entities, who are heavily promoting the "Climate Change" message, "the little people".
You could just as easily say, "Governments use our own money against us...".
If the United Nations, and major governments around the world are promoting only one side of a debate, who is big enough to challenge their assumptions in any meaningful way?
It would be better if you actually read the proposals. There are three categories for the proposed "right to be forgotten" edict. The first category is as you mention, but it is only the first category. Roughly speaking, category 2 is copies of the data you uploaded (i.e. friends copy your photos or posts) and category 3 is any data about you.
And the "right to be forgotten" is supposed to cover all three. Read "Nineteen Eighty Four" for an idea of how that will work. Winston Smith works in the Ministry of Information going through all the old newspaper archives "updating" them with the "new history". Any company on the Internet will have to do that: "updating history" to remove valid, true facts that someone has requested be removed about themselves.
Imagine a financial company hiring people with long histories of embezzlement, fraud, blackmail, etc. simply because that information has been removed.
Imagine a woman marrying a man with a long, long history of wife beating, adultery, etc. because those FACTS have been "forgotten".
Where is the rest of the world's right to know simple facts about others they need to trust?
Google: "Gee Microsoft, what would it take to convince you that we compete fairly?"
Microsoft: "Die! Google! Die!"
EU: "You didn't 'play fair' and die, Google, it looks like we'll have to sanction you."
A response from the commissioner is understood to be imminent, after Almunia's office told Google in mid-December that it must convince its rivals that it competes fairly in the web search market or else it could - within months - face sanctions for alleged "abuse of dominance".
I found this statement very strange. Especially in light of the principle of "innocent until proven guilty". Apparently, the EU doesn't have to prove Google broke the law. Even stranger, the EU is not asking Google to prove that they didn't break the law.
No, it seems to be much worse. Google must "convince its rivals that it competes fairly" or face sanctions that its rivals desperately want.
I was an IT consultant for many, many years and was quite successful. That being said, there are very few people who should, or even could, do it.
First, for most consulting gigs, you are constantly one day away from being unemployed. That's stress. Assuming you are very good at what you do, gigs can last for years. But some don't last long at all and some end quite abruptly for reasons outside of your control.
You have to have a great network for your next consulting gig. If you have to start looking from scratch after your current assignment ends, you will have long stretches between assignments.
You don't get paid for sick days, vacations, holidays. You don't have benefits. Your taxes are usually higher and there is no withholding so you must plan ahead. It takes a lot of work and a lot of discipline to be a successful consultant. The idea that "anyone can be a successful consultant" is complete bullshit.
I don't do that any more. The many years I spent as an independent consultant were fine -- but enough.
What makes Google valuable is that it does a pretty good job of presenting what it thinks best fulfills your request. That has been and continues to be what makes Google better than what came before. I remember the days of almost completely unfiltered results from searches and the returned data was almost completely useless.
But, that being said, that is also Google's potentially biggest danger. When their "guesses" do not align with what people actually want, or when their "guesses" end up being de facto censorship, then it becomes a liability. It is a very, very fuzzy line. Some people get super upset if porn shows up. Some people get super upset when it doesn't. I get upset when I can't state my personal preference.
But that's what's so good about the Internet. Where a need exists that isn't met, someone will come up with a solution. If Google fails, someone else will succeed.
I see no problem with wanting businesses to work to help mankind in any way they they are able. The operative word is "able". There are limits to what a single company, no matter how large, can do.
Companies cannot break the law. This isn't like an individual who might break the law in protest. Companies cannot operate like that for quite a number of reasons -- consult a corporate lawyer for details.
Google had to completely leave China because, while they disagreed with China's censorship requirements, they could not refuse to comply while still being a Chinese company.
Until you know what are the limitations and restraints for a company in a specific situation, it seems a bit presumptuous to criticize a company for "not doing enough."
There is no reason to assume that Google isn't "providing unfiltered results". I see no evidence they have ever filtered results for China. In fact, as I recall, that's why they moved their servers out of China.
Why are you claiming they are censoring results?
What TFA is about is Google decided to stop warning Chinese users that specific key words would trigger Chinese government censoring (and possibly worse). Shall we assume that Google found the warning was useless?
But I see no evidence that Google is doing any censoring or filtering.
Wow, you seem to have confused Google with a comic book superhero. It's a business. To do anything at all in the world, it first has to stay in business. Second, to continue to do anything, it has to make a profit. It isn't a charitable organization, it isn't the U.N. with power over governments of the world. It isn't a superhero.
It's just a business. You seem to believe it's a superhero with vast powers to fight whole governments for Truth, Justice and the American Way.
I can't believe people who assign vast, unreal powers and responsibilities on Google -- and then viciously attack Google when it doesn't live up to THEIR fantasies.
It's just a business. Expect it to have only the powers and responsibilities of a business. Superheroes exist only in the comics.
Whoa! I am not attacking you as a troll. I'm merely pointing out that you have some bad information about this. Take it easy.
If running Linux under an emulator violates the GPL then Microsoft, VMware and a host of other companies are in deep trouble -- a lot of companies do that and it's OK.
What you run under an emulator is not an intrinsic part of an emulator itself. They are completely separate. This is perfectly legal under the GPL.
Even if someone happens to make GPL'd programs available with their emulator, they are still completely separate entities. From what I understand, there is no actual GPL code inside the SDK's code and that's what counts.
No. You seem to be under the impression that Google's Android SDK was written by someone else who licensed it under the GPL. Yes, that would be a violation, but that isn't the situation. This is a Google product.
Thats all well and good, but our Governemnt doesnt work on that principle. Liberty ALWAYS comes first. The FAA needs to provide proof of their claim or shut the fuck up. Anything less is tyranny.
"Liberty always comes first." Are you being ironic, or are you speaking of some other government?
I'm talking about all the hate I'm reading here. There are lots of people who are so willing to group "others" under a label and then ascribe to that "group" all sorts of attributes such as "stupid", "evil", and assign various opinions and statements to them -- and then hate "them" and spread that hate.
That's ignorant, incorrect and not helpful.
Half the country thinks the other half is ignorant, stupid, evil. That is, Republicans seem to think Democrats are all that. And Democrats are sure that Republicans are all of that. Neither attitude is correct and that viewpoint ensures we will never find solutions to our problems.
I never said that various extreme viewpoints are "equivalent". You just want to create that strawman so you can "win" against him. That's nice, but neatly avoids confronting what I actually said.
And, you are an example of what I am talking about. You are happy-happy-happy to demonize a group you apparently know nothing about -- except what you have been told. While I am not, in any way, religious, and definitely not conservative, the fact that you paint everyone who is Republican and religious as "extremist" simply means that you are part of the problem.
If you only talk to people who agree with you, you will remain ignorant. If you talk to people who disagree with you, you will learn something.
I'm afraid I just don't understand the linear plotting of viewpoints. The people I know and talk to cannot be plotted on a simple line. I picture all the various possible viewpoints scattered about in some kind of three-dimensional space. That whole left-right paradigm doesn't actually fit real people -- only the extremists.
I understand you completely missed the point. I didn't say "both sides are equal" and I didn't say they "behave the same way all the time". But I did say that stupid, ignorant hate speech isn't isolated to one "group" and the person making such accusations is pretty likely spewing hate speech themselves -- love the irony.
Here's a tip. If person X says stupid, ignorant things, they said it -- not "Democrats", not "Republicans", not "those crazy...". That one person said it. The hallmark of an ignorant person is that they cannot properly spot the source of some statement and, therefore, tend to generalize.
I disagree with much of what Republicans, Democrats, liberals, conservatives, religious right, et.al. believe. But I can talk with them, I can find agreements, I can understand their viewpoints even when I disagree. They are not, for the most part, "ignorant", "stupid", "hateful", "evil". The idea that one must demonize those who disagree with you in order to be right is not a very bright idea.
When we can talk to those we disagree with, when we can understand their viewpoints, then we can find a way through our difficulties. The desire to demonize ensures we can never find a real solution to our common problems.
*sigh* Thanks, I needed another example of ignorant hate speech, ignorant grouping of people under a label and ignorant generalities about them. Just what I needed.
Yes, the religious right does that -- and the extreme left does it too. You don't have to look at only one extreme to see all the hate being generated. Your post is an example of yet another one-sided hate spewing viewpoint.
Our recent politics on all sides have generated the idea that anyone who disagrees with the One True Viewpoint is either Evil or Stupid... or both.
A pox on all your houses.
The way to combat such stupid, ignorant hate is to stop doing it!
That's your interpretation. Even if that's so, it was a very, very poor choice of example. By the fact of his example's juxtaposition to Google's tax avoidance, the connection certainly was implied. I have no trouble thinking up examples that are closer to the actual, alleged "bad conduct".
Understand that I was not disputing his argument, nor did I claim this argument was invalid. All I was saying and all I continue to say is he made a very, very poor choice for an example. -- a point no one seems to have figured out.
Before yet another kind commenter feels compelled to correct me (and insult me for my mistake) I'd like to acknowledge that I was mistaken about NORAD not taking phone calls any more.
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While I'm not taking sides here, the "debate" (I use the term lightly) isn't between "the little people" and "big corporations". You can't call the United Nations, the U.S. Government and other very, very large and influential entities, who are heavily promoting the "Climate Change" message, "the little people".
...".
You could just as easily say, "Governments use our own money against us
If the United Nations, and major governments around the world are promoting only one side of a debate, who is big enough to challenge their assumptions in any meaningful way?
...like drinking piss with a mediciney aftertaste.
Mmmmmm! American beer!
It would be better if you actually read the proposals. There are three categories for the proposed "right to be forgotten" edict. The first category is as you mention, but it is only the first category. Roughly speaking, category 2 is copies of the data you uploaded (i.e. friends copy your photos or posts) and category 3 is any data about you.
And the "right to be forgotten" is supposed to cover all three. Read "Nineteen Eighty Four" for an idea of how that will work. Winston Smith works in the Ministry of Information going through all the old newspaper archives "updating" them with the "new history". Any company on the Internet will have to do that: "updating history" to remove valid, true facts that someone has requested be removed about themselves.
Imagine a financial company hiring people with long histories of embezzlement, fraud, blackmail, etc. simply because that information has been removed.
Imagine a woman marrying a man with a long, long history of wife beating, adultery, etc. because those FACTS have been "forgotten".
Where is the rest of the world's right to know simple facts about others they need to trust?
Google: "Gee Microsoft, what would it take to convince you that we compete fairly?"
Microsoft: "Die! Google! Die!"
EU: "You didn't 'play fair' and die, Google, it looks like we'll have to sanction you."
A response from the commissioner is understood to be imminent, after Almunia's office told Google in mid-December that it must convince its rivals that it competes fairly in the web search market or else it could - within months - face sanctions for alleged "abuse of dominance".
I found this statement very strange. Especially in light of the principle of "innocent until proven guilty". Apparently, the EU doesn't have to prove Google broke the law. Even stranger, the EU is not asking Google to prove that they didn't break the law.
No, it seems to be much worse. Google must "convince its rivals that it competes fairly" or face sanctions that its rivals desperately want.
It just boggles the mind.
I was an IT consultant for many, many years and was quite successful. That being said, there are very few people who should, or even could, do it.
First, for most consulting gigs, you are constantly one day away from being unemployed. That's stress. Assuming you are very good at what you do, gigs can last for years. But some don't last long at all and some end quite abruptly for reasons outside of your control.
You have to have a great network for your next consulting gig. If you have to start looking from scratch after your current assignment ends, you will have long stretches between assignments.
You don't get paid for sick days, vacations, holidays. You don't have benefits. Your taxes are usually higher and there is no withholding so you must plan ahead. It takes a lot of work and a lot of discipline to be a successful consultant. The idea that "anyone can be a successful consultant" is complete bullshit.
I don't do that any more. The many years I spent as an independent consultant were fine -- but enough.
In general, I do not disagree with your points.
What makes Google valuable is that it does a pretty good job of presenting what it thinks best fulfills your request. That has been and continues to be what makes Google better than what came before. I remember the days of almost completely unfiltered results from searches and the returned data was almost completely useless.
But, that being said, that is also Google's potentially biggest danger. When their "guesses" do not align with what people actually want, or when their "guesses" end up being de facto censorship, then it becomes a liability. It is a very, very fuzzy line. Some people get super upset if porn shows up. Some people get super upset when it doesn't. I get upset when I can't state my personal preference.
But that's what's so good about the Internet. Where a need exists that isn't met, someone will come up with a solution. If Google fails, someone else will succeed.
I see no problem with wanting businesses to work to help mankind in any way they they are able. The operative word is "able". There are limits to what a single company, no matter how large, can do.
Companies cannot break the law. This isn't like an individual who might break the law in protest. Companies cannot operate like that for quite a number of reasons -- consult a corporate lawyer for details.
Google had to completely leave China because, while they disagreed with China's censorship requirements, they could not refuse to comply while still being a Chinese company.
Until you know what are the limitations and restraints for a company in a specific situation, it seems a bit presumptuous to criticize a company for "not doing enough."
There is no reason to assume that Google isn't "providing unfiltered results". I see no evidence they have ever filtered results for China. In fact, as I recall, that's why they moved their servers out of China.
Why are you claiming they are censoring results? What TFA is about is Google decided to stop warning Chinese users that specific key words would trigger Chinese government censoring (and possibly worse). Shall we assume that Google found the warning was useless?
But I see no evidence that Google is doing any censoring or filtering.
Wow, you seem to have confused Google with a comic book superhero. It's a business. To do anything at all in the world, it first has to stay in business. Second, to continue to do anything, it has to make a profit. It isn't a charitable organization, it isn't the U.N. with power over governments of the world. It isn't a superhero.
It's just a business. You seem to believe it's a superhero with vast powers to fight whole governments for Truth, Justice and the American Way.
I can't believe people who assign vast, unreal powers and responsibilities on Google -- and then viciously attack Google when it doesn't live up to THEIR fantasies.
It's just a business. Expect it to have only the powers and responsibilities of a business. Superheroes exist only in the comics.
Whoa! I am not attacking you as a troll. I'm merely pointing out that you have some bad information about this. Take it easy.
If running Linux under an emulator violates the GPL then Microsoft, VMware and a host of other companies are in deep trouble -- a lot of companies do that and it's OK.
What you run under an emulator is not an intrinsic part of an emulator itself. They are completely separate. This is perfectly legal under the GPL.
Even if someone happens to make GPL'd programs available with their emulator, they are still completely separate entities. From what I understand, there is no actual GPL code inside the SDK's code and that's what counts.
Still no. The fact that an emulator is capable of running GPL software does not make it GPL. That's absurd.
BTW, isn't it funny the way all the "don't be evil" trolls suddenly shut up when we have an actual example of Google doing something not nice?
BTW, isn't it funny that "something not nice" to competitors equals "Oh, noes! Google is evil!"
No. You seem to be under the impression that Google's Android SDK was written by someone else who licensed it under the GPL. Yes, that would be a violation, but that isn't the situation. This is a Google product.
Thats all well and good, but our Governemnt doesnt work on that principle. Liberty ALWAYS comes first. The FAA needs to provide proof of their claim or shut the fuck up. Anything less is tyranny.
"Liberty always comes first."
Are you being ironic, or are you speaking of some other government?
So which one is it? Should the government create and enforce laws about the internet or not?
Yes.
I'm talking about all the hate I'm reading here. There are lots of people who are so willing to group "others" under a label and then ascribe to that "group" all sorts of attributes such as "stupid", "evil", and assign various opinions and statements to them -- and then hate "them" and spread that hate.
That's ignorant, incorrect and not helpful.
Half the country thinks the other half is ignorant, stupid, evil. That is, Republicans seem to think Democrats are all that. And Democrats are sure that Republicans are all of that. Neither attitude is correct and that viewpoint ensures we will never find solutions to our problems.
I never said that various extreme viewpoints are "equivalent". You just want to create that strawman so you can "win" against him. That's nice, but neatly avoids confronting what I actually said.
And, you are an example of what I am talking about. You are happy-happy-happy to demonize a group you apparently know nothing about -- except what you have been told. While I am not, in any way, religious, and definitely not conservative, the fact that you paint everyone who is Republican and religious as "extremist" simply means that you are part of the problem.
If you only talk to people who agree with you, you will remain ignorant. If you talk to people who disagree with you, you will learn something.
Ah, never mind, I'm talking to the problem.
Interesting.
I'm afraid I just don't understand the linear plotting of viewpoints. The people I know and talk to cannot be plotted on a simple line. I picture all the various possible viewpoints scattered about in some kind of three-dimensional space. That whole left-right paradigm doesn't actually fit real people -- only the extremists.
I understand you completely missed the point. I didn't say "both sides are equal" and I didn't say they "behave the same way all the time". But I did say that stupid, ignorant hate speech isn't isolated to one "group" and the person making such accusations is pretty likely spewing hate speech themselves -- love the irony.
...". That one person said it. The hallmark of an ignorant person is that they cannot properly spot the source of some statement and, therefore, tend to generalize.
Here's a tip. If person X says stupid, ignorant things, they said it -- not "Democrats", not "Republicans", not "those crazy
I disagree with much of what Republicans, Democrats, liberals, conservatives, religious right, et.al. believe. But I can talk with them, I can find agreements, I can understand their viewpoints even when I disagree. They are not, for the most part, "ignorant", "stupid", "hateful", "evil". The idea that one must demonize those who disagree with you in order to be right is not a very bright idea.
When we can talk to those we disagree with, when we can understand their viewpoints, then we can find a way through our difficulties. The desire to demonize ensures we can never find a real solution to our common problems.
*sigh* Thanks, I needed another example of ignorant hate speech, ignorant grouping of people under a label and ignorant generalities about them. Just what I needed.
The United States has lots of extreme viewpoints, right, left, center and "other". And they all hammer their own little, ignorant hate messages.
Yes, the religious right does that -- and the extreme left does it too. You don't have to look at only one extreme to see all the hate being generated. Your post is an example of yet another one-sided hate spewing viewpoint.
... or both.
Our recent politics on all sides have generated the idea that anyone who disagrees with the One True Viewpoint is either Evil or Stupid
A pox on all your houses.
The way to combat such stupid, ignorant hate is to stop doing it!
That's your interpretation. Even if that's so, it was a very, very poor choice of example. By the fact of his example's juxtaposition to Google's tax avoidance, the connection certainly was implied. I have no trouble thinking up examples that are closer to the actual, alleged "bad conduct".
Understand that I was not disputing his argument, nor did I claim this argument was invalid. All I was saying and all I continue to say is he made a very, very poor choice for an example. -- a point no one seems to have figured out.
Ah, never mind.
Before yet another kind commenter feels compelled to correct me (and insult me for my mistake) I'd like to acknowledge that I was mistaken about NORAD not taking phone calls any more.