To see what a nation would do. What the uS gov/mil all the new contractors would do.
Who phones their family, who runs to their bunker, who drives out of a city to their bunker/cabin.
What do spies all over Hawaii do? Do they contact their gov, embassy, their own nation?
Faith groups, cults, dual citizens, criminals, spies in the US mil/gov/police? How do they react?
Do people stay in place and wait for their orders? Do they make a lot of phone calls, send messages?
The NSA and GCHQ will have fun with all the messages, calls to sort over that time.
Who stayed loyal, who ran away, who started making calls, who was in contact with another gov/mil? Who is in a militia, is a survivalist?
Who put their faith, cult, another nation before the USA?
It was a test and a lot of once trusted people showed what they would do.
Some stayed and waited for orders. Others did very unexpected things and the US gov has now has a list of who it can trust.
It depends on the past decades of party political tinkering with the US mil.
The US will respond on detection only and without hesitation? As any enemy is detected launching, the US launches too.
Every enemy of the US then understands they might not get their platforms into the USA and that the USA has already launched.
The US is ready as another nation spins up its rockets.
What has the US changed that to?
Wait, absorb and respond much later after the US mil has been given new party political rules?
Such political changes to US mil launch on detection after 1990's, 2000's have to be considered.
If this is the quality of the alert system, what must this generation of US mil be selected from for detection and launch on detection?
The US is not sure about the quality of this generations contractors, mil staff and what they will do when given the direct command to launch on detection.
Spies have found out about such political changes to US mil command and control and other nations see an opening to try new tactics.
NK had to consider that its own mil has been in contact with the NSA and CIA long term.
So the NK system would be very different and have to take into consideration a lot of top NK mil will not do their job.
A system thats more about rockets kept ready. Not allowing the NK mil the ability block a command.
Independent confirmation?
A generation of gov/mil/clandestine services workers are back to their cabins (bunkers) in Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Oregon and Washington days before?
NORAD will get US leadership to a safe place.
DEFCON get the US mil ready.
Civilian notification would not be part of that kind of alert as its not linked.
A tsunami warning system would be what an Operations Centre would be doing.
The UBI given to all wealthy citizens who are working full time would be a free flow of tax payers money to them.
The UBI given to citizens who need a basic income would be what a UBI should be for.
Why given a nations most wealthy citizens a UBI? They are working full time and have to pay tax. The UBI would just put more of a tax rate on them.
Contain a no go part of the city.
Send in the robots with 24/7 aerial surveillance to counter all wifi, internet attempts to send out live streams, upload video clips.
Set up a pathway out the area for the citizens who want to surrender, be searched and moved to another city.
Move in the robots to try some pacification on the looters who did not take up the offer to be searched and exit the area.
Remove power, water, block networks and wait for the criminals and looters who stayed to try and escape. Robots will be waiting.
Try telling a robot about the 1st Amendment, reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime committed when the AI is set to pacification for that location.
The robot will not get stressed at the door considering who is on the other side. Robots just clear out each structure.
Look at the fall of Communism in the mid to late 1980's. Lots of peace groups, faith groups in the early 1980's gathered. That had to have help building to a mass focused moment by the mid to late 1980's that could fill city streets every day.
Small groups of motivated protesters are too easy to contain. So outside funding, planning and support has to help guide national moments.
Colour revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... have been well studied by most nations police and security services over the decades.
Think more of what well connected US academics got to see the US mil needed for the 1960-70's wars in and around Vietnam.
What the US was using to track people of interest in Vietnam and what would later be used in the USA domestically.
Voice prints, radio tracking, informants, party political management of a war.
Scale that up and project it forward and the reality of war looks like predictive science fiction to later generations of readers.
Nothing will be found physically that will point back to another nations design as in the average parts used.
The real finding will be in the command and control, the range and level of accuracy given the range.
Another nation helped with that.
Any other nations electronic intelligence platform in the area watching Russia respond.
What radar first spotted the drones, what was the next system to be turned on. What defensive systems got used at what range to stop the terrorist drone attack. Reload times, range of activation.
The Western thinking is Russian electronics cant keep its systems locked on and tracking so many drones at the same time.
That defensive weapons systems would need a reload time and so the nations backing the terrorists would get to see what the timing and what defensive systems could do.
Russia would be looking for any other nations electronic intelligence collection in the area at that time.
Re "Whoever is behind these attacks has a high level of sophistication and operational awareness"
The range is the tell that another nations security services helped the terrorists plan their actions.
Everyone who took a cell phone near a protest would have been found.
Then its 2, 3, 4 hops from that account.
Voice prints, advanced facial recognition will get many protesters.
The western embassies, NGO's and other pro democracy groups pushing for protests need the "internet" to get the protesters protesting for the optics of the 24h news cycle.
No internet and no coordination. But all the protesters are been tracked on the internet...
An interesting problem. How to build national protests but not have the Western support discovered.
AC after finding a state that does not have a "paying its employees $15" law then an online shop can sell US wide without needing a "brick and mortar" shop in that "$15" wage state.
Robots and low cost staff can fill parts requests.
A much wider product range and innovative new products an average "brick and mortar" shop cant have in stock at a low price. People all over the US then have freedom of choice and range of products and prices.
No need to risk growing staff wage costs in some states.
Re "The UBI is offset by higher taxes for those people with high incomes."
If the UBI can be set for people who actually don't work then a nation won't need "higher taxes".
More citizens get to keep the money they earn working.
The citizens not working get their UBI without any questions until they are working agin.
Re "UBI makes up for the regressive nature of a VAT"
All citizens getting new free money does not get "make up for" by what a VAT did before a UBI. A lot of citizens are going to have to be taxed a lot more to pay for a UBI.
Nations need jobs and growth not a new growing "flat tax of 45-50%" to cover a new UBI.
X10 (industry standard) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
With a home computer, the home automation kit and no internet many tasks can be automated using voice.
Generations of people in the USA used their DOS and Windows voice control to automate their lights, thermostats, alarms, some appliances.
Such systems did the task asked for when told. No need for a robot buddy or todays ad and internet connected systems.
Re "If the government gets to decide which of its citizens can and can't receive the UBI, it defeats the whole point of a UBI in providing"
Giving an entire working population an income will see a nation fail to support the tax rate foe the new UBI in a generation.
Tax rates will not be able to keep up with citizens working and getting free cash.
Citizens who are working for decades and paying tax don't need a UBI. They have jobs.
Re "reducing the number of citizens who either fall between the cracks". If they can get the UBI they have a bank account. They are interacting with the banking system. So that is an easy way to sort the citizens who will get the UBI or who are working, paying tax, in the tax system, still in gov approved education.
If a person cannot get a bank account as a citizen then social workers, a charity, health care workers can usually help.
Should a citizen not want a bank account then a new UBI won't help such citizens. They would be on some support payment to their bank account now and that would change over to a means tested UBI.
So nobody would fall between the cracks, as they would be in the tax and banking system as they are now as citizens getting support.
A means tested UBI would just not be paid to people working. That would reduce the number of citizens getting the UBI and allow more support for citizens who need the UBI and related support services paid by a nations tax payers.
That UBI has to cover generations of citizens at university, the sick, citizens who cant work, who are between work and as they near their old age pension.
Keep the UBI for people who need the support and use extra support for them too. Why just hand out a UBI to working citizens earning well above the min wage for decades? Use that tax money for something good not just a UBI payment for all working citizens for decades.
Re "Most groups need to recruit members". The few groups that did not get filled with FBI informants and undercover police, or are gov created front groups have changed from accepting "recruits" to seeking and inviting members.
If a person is seeking to join most interesting groups, they are no longer interested. Trust is now with family, community, faith groups, friends.
Only after a long test of social media, background and consideration will people be approached and made an offer.
Re "It's a bit pointless telling the enemy your secret facility/weapon" What the US mil is most interested in is who kept what information about the message secret for 40 mins and who just had to phone home, their friends, the media.
Re War objectors and dissenters tend to ?.
The new hiring practices of virtue signaling and political correctness has seen a drop in the normal background and ongoing evaluations of people with a security clearance. Lower standards and a lot of new contractors. A test is a nice way to find out who did what.
Be the same in the USA.
Just watch for all the "other agency people" return to Idaho, Montana, Wyoming. Some parts of Oregon and Washington.
The SUV's from the north east of the US arrive with people driving out to their summer cabins (bunkers).
No influx of gov/mil/contractors from the intelligence services to their safe havens? Its all just a test until they drive in.
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5 eyes.
To see what a nation would do. What the uS gov/mil all the new contractors would do.
Who phones their family, who runs to their bunker, who drives out of a city to their bunker/cabin.
What do spies all over Hawaii do? Do they contact their gov, embassy, their own nation?
Faith groups, cults, dual citizens, criminals, spies in the US mil/gov/police? How do they react?
Do people stay in place and wait for their orders? Do they make a lot of phone calls, send messages?
The NSA and GCHQ will have fun with all the messages, calls to sort over that time.
Who stayed loyal, who ran away, who started making calls, who was in contact with another gov/mil? Who is in a militia, is a survivalist?
Who put their faith, cult, another nation before the USA?
It was a test and a lot of once trusted people showed what they would do.
Some stayed and waited for orders. Others did very unexpected things and the US gov has now has a list of who it can trust.
It depends on the past decades of party political tinkering with the US mil.
The US will respond on detection only and without hesitation? As any enemy is detected launching, the US launches too.
Every enemy of the US then understands they might not get their platforms into the USA and that the USA has already launched.
The US is ready as another nation spins up its rockets.
What has the US changed that to?
Wait, absorb and respond much later after the US mil has been given new party political rules?
Such political changes to US mil launch on detection after 1990's, 2000's have to be considered.
If this is the quality of the alert system, what must this generation of US mil be selected from for detection and launch on detection?
The US is not sure about the quality of this generations contractors, mil staff and what they will do when given the direct command to launch on detection.
Spies have found out about such political changes to US mil command and control and other nations see an opening to try new tactics.
NK had to consider that its own mil has been in contact with the NSA and CIA long term.
So the NK system would be very different and have to take into consideration a lot of top NK mil will not do their job.
A system thats more about rockets kept ready. Not allowing the NK mil the ability block a command.
Independent confirmation?
A generation of gov/mil/clandestine services workers are back to their cabins (bunkers) in Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Oregon and Washington days before?
NORAD will get US leadership to a safe place.
DEFCON get the US mil ready.
Civilian notification would not be part of that kind of alert as its not linked.
A tsunami warning system would be what an Operations Centre would be doing.
Have a GUI that works.
Verification and a clear command structure to initiate an alert.
The UBI given to all wealthy citizens who are working full time would be a free flow of tax payers money to them.
The UBI given to citizens who need a basic income would be what a UBI should be for.
Why given a nations most wealthy citizens a UBI? They are working full time and have to pay tax. The UBI would just put more of a tax rate on them.
AC it was 20 miles with accuracy that could only have been given to the terrorists by another nations security services.
Contain a no go part of the city.
Send in the robots with 24/7 aerial surveillance to counter all wifi, internet attempts to send out live streams, upload video clips.
Set up a pathway out the area for the citizens who want to surrender, be searched and moved to another city.
Move in the robots to try some pacification on the looters who did not take up the offer to be searched and exit the area.
Remove power, water, block networks and wait for the criminals and looters who stayed to try and escape. Robots will be waiting.
Try telling a robot about the 1st Amendment, reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime committed when the AI is set to pacification for that location.
The robot will not get stressed at the door considering who is on the other side. Robots just clear out each structure.
The US mil thinking is not that secret on how to win a war. The results wanted well understood.
The free fire zones over Vietnam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The British response in the Second Boer War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
But with robots.
$15 an hour to sell a few resistors and a capacitor?
Look at the fall of Communism in the mid to late 1980's. Lots of peace groups, faith groups in the early 1980's gathered. That had to have help building to a mass focused moment by the mid to late 1980's that could fill city streets every day.
Small groups of motivated protesters are too easy to contain. So outside funding, planning and support has to help guide national moments.
Colour revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... have been well studied by most nations police and security services over the decades.
Think more of what well connected US academics got to see the US mil needed for the 1960-70's wars in and around Vietnam.
What the US was using to track people of interest in Vietnam and what would later be used in the USA domestically.
Voice prints, radio tracking, informants, party political management of a war.
Scale that up and project it forward and the reality of war looks like predictive science fiction to later generations of readers.
Nothing will be found physically that will point back to another nations design as in the average parts used.
The real finding will be in the command and control, the range and level of accuracy given the range.
Another nation helped with that.
Any other nations electronic intelligence platform in the area watching Russia respond.
What radar first spotted the drones, what was the next system to be turned on. What defensive systems got used at what range to stop the terrorist drone attack.
Reload times, range of activation.
AC 'They could be programmed to take an erratic path" would show another nations security services helped.
The Western thinking is Russian electronics cant keep its systems locked on and tracking so many drones at the same time.
That defensive weapons systems would need a reload time and so the nations backing the terrorists would get to see what the timing and what defensive systems could do.
Russia would be looking for any other nations electronic intelligence collection in the area at that time.
AC the drone range is not a known commodity. Someone with advance nation level skills helped the terrorists with that plan.
Re "Whoever is behind these attacks has a high level of sophistication and operational awareness"
The range is the tell that another nations security services helped the terrorists plan their actions.
Everyone who took a cell phone near a protest would have been found. ...
Then its 2, 3, 4 hops from that account.
Voice prints, advanced facial recognition will get many protesters.
The western embassies, NGO's and other pro democracy groups pushing for protests need the "internet" to get the protesters protesting for the optics of the 24h news cycle.
No internet and no coordination. But all the protesters are been tracked on the internet
An interesting problem. How to build national protests but not have the Western support discovered.
AC after finding a state that does not have a "paying its employees $15" law then an online shop can sell US wide without needing a "brick and mortar" shop in that "$15" wage state.
Robots and low cost staff can fill parts requests.
A much wider product range and innovative new products an average "brick and mortar" shop cant have in stock at a low price. People all over the US then have freedom of choice and range of products and prices.
No need to risk growing staff wage costs in some states.
Re "The UBI is offset by higher taxes for those people with high incomes."
If the UBI can be set for people who actually don't work then a nation won't need "higher taxes".
More citizens get to keep the money they earn working.
The citizens not working get their UBI without any questions until they are working agin.
Re "UBI makes up for the regressive nature of a VAT"
All citizens getting new free money does not get "make up for" by what a VAT did before a UBI. A lot of citizens are going to have to be taxed a lot more to pay for a UBI.
Nations need jobs and growth not a new growing "flat tax of 45-50%" to cover a new UBI.
X10 (industry standard) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
With a home computer, the home automation kit and no internet many tasks can be automated using voice.
Generations of people in the USA used their DOS and Windows voice control to automate their lights, thermostats, alarms, some appliances.
Such systems did the task asked for when told. No need for a robot buddy or todays ad and internet connected systems.
Re "If the government gets to decide which of its citizens can and can't receive the UBI, it defeats the whole point of a UBI in providing"
Giving an entire working population an income will see a nation fail to support the tax rate foe the new UBI in a generation.
Tax rates will not be able to keep up with citizens working and getting free cash.
Citizens who are working for decades and paying tax don't need a UBI. They have jobs.
Re "reducing the number of citizens who either fall between the cracks". If they can get the UBI they have a bank account. They are interacting with the banking system. So that is an easy way to sort the citizens who will get the UBI or who are working, paying tax, in the tax system, still in gov approved education.
If a person cannot get a bank account as a citizen then social workers, a charity, health care workers can usually help.
Should a citizen not want a bank account then a new UBI won't help such citizens. They would be on some support payment to their bank account now and that would change over to a means tested UBI.
So nobody would fall between the cracks, as they would be in the tax and banking system as they are now as citizens getting support.
A means tested UBI would just not be paid to people working. That would reduce the number of citizens getting the UBI and allow more support for citizens who need the UBI and related support services paid by a nations tax payers.
That UBI has to cover generations of citizens at university, the sick, citizens who cant work, who are between work and as they near their old age pension.
Keep the UBI for people who need the support and use extra support for them too. Why just hand out a UBI to working citizens earning well above the min wage for decades? Use that tax money for something good not just a UBI payment for all working citizens for decades.
Re "Most groups need to recruit members". The few groups that did not get filled with FBI informants and undercover police, or are gov created front groups have changed from accepting "recruits" to seeking and inviting members.
If a person is seeking to join most interesting groups, they are no longer interested. Trust is now with family, community, faith groups, friends.
Only after a long test of social media, background and consideration will people be approached and made an offer.
Re "It's a bit pointless telling the enemy your secret facility/weapon" What the US mil is most interested in is who kept what information about the message secret for 40 mins and who just had to phone home, their friends, the media.
Re War objectors and dissenters tend to ?.
The new hiring practices of virtue signaling and political correctness has seen a drop in the normal background and ongoing evaluations of people with a security clearance. Lower standards and a lot of new contractors. A test is a nice way to find out who did what.
Be the same in the USA.
Just watch for all the "other agency people" return to Idaho, Montana, Wyoming. Some parts of Oregon and Washington.
The SUV's from the north east of the US arrive with people driving out to their summer cabins (bunkers).
No influx of gov/mil/contractors from the intelligence services to their safe havens? Its all just a test until they drive in.