Re: "It long past the point where the world needs a reliable supply of non-US based technology components, i now consider almost everything originating from the US as being irrevocably compromised"
Yes this is the first small positive steps that keep the networked computing side. The user gets new firmware, hardware and an OS thats more understood. The hardware also has some of the more remote friendly aspects looked at.
The next step for nations is a box with a chip and motherboard that is fully understood as designed. Beyond that is paper, a typewriter, one time pads and number stations.
Projects like this will help a lot of people and nations:)
Yes think of the domestic control. Human rights defenders, political parties, journalists, community leaders, trade unionists, legal teams, lawyers all might get an offer of digital files.
With systems like this that can be tracked back to the uploader and tracked to any other new downloaders.
A link sent to one person might get printed out and given to other human rights defenders, journalists, lawyers. No direct contact only interest in the same file.
A great way to stop domestic whistleblowers who try and use digital files and servers or just track a well crafted limited hangout.
A gov or mil needed the cover to say its only for foreigners to keep the gov staff happy.
Most govs worked out many years ago to tell gov staff that vast domestic surveillance networks where always only for foreigners and the Soviet Union. It stops all the same internal legal questions over the decades.
The press now has all the material.
The material shows that the privacy and anonymity of any net based services can be reduced and tracked.
Anything uploaded or downloaded can be tracked over time. A system to find what is going to be tracked and how to track the uploader and all downloaders.
From a journalist under constant surveillance back to a contact who uploaded a file?
No data set is too large, network too difficult.
Informants with the slang, background story, paperwork and history that was created and correct for a group, cult, political event or other gathering.
Creating informants. Disrupting any real gatherings and recreating the members in a new front group as bait.
Computer networks attract like minded people to post and chat about their interests. At that stage their anonymity and privacy is fair game.
Encryption will not protect the origin of the message from a domestic system like Tempora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Privacy is gone when interacting with over time with interesting, creative strangers.
Encryption protects the message along the network. If the end site is a trap or has malware? The users origin could be traced with creative code on a site.
Keep a person of interest posting, making friends, invite them to help with very simple admin work. Turn them, track them or just use their content as bait.
Thats why encryption never worried the NSA or GCHQ. The encryption sold or offered was a junk standard or the entire surrounding network was tame.
The origins or and color of law that followed the The Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... should allow some insight into the tame networks.
The AC seems to list them by some security clearance that then fits in with skills needed on a past US mil or gov computer project?
Groups within some nations can also bring in a lot of shared experiences about college, how they where taught and past work.
That can shape a team or really allow group think to set in, cult like with a leader.
Re: "...how many nails does this damn coffin need before we can bury it?!"
Flash player still has the camera and mic support. A change to HTML5 video was the huge step.
Re "It needed to be replaced with something less detectable."
It depends on where some gov backed malware is found, who is hired to remove it and who can ensure any code found in the wild is not passed to antivirus, spyware and malware protection teams for further global study and public discussion.
A nation would allow its own private sector or academic teams to find the malware networking, create an expert team for the study and removal only to be told it would be done by a domestic intelligence organization.
So Western nation could have teams find the networking used but nothing more would be mentioned in public and the western nation is left with questions about what and who is allowed to run in complex networks for years.
The trust is gone.
Re: "People everywhere in the world are trying to avoid buying"
Nations will just revert to paper, number stations and one time pads. Couriers, cults, faith, background investigations that interview friends, generations of family, teachers in person.
Other nations have systems and trusted staff to revert back to. Expecting junk computer networks to just keep producing real global intelligence was a wonderful boondoggle over decades.
The "most advanced espionage malware platforms ever studied" would then just find disinformation or limited hangouts been produced for the junk global networks:)
Re:"The first amendment has officially been shredded, and now comes the icing on the cake."
Anonymity and privacy for whistleblowers is gone with systems like Tempora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The ability to track back any contact with a journalist removes all anonymity. The privacy of the message could be lost to malware.
GCHQ captured emails of journalists from top international media (19 jan 2015) http://www.theguardian.com/uk-...
The US always thought it was legally covered with a free and unrestrained press.
Re "Nobody seems to know anything at all about any of these other programs"
The UK media could be the way to understand the tracking and results.
Re "This rather random assortment of charges that make you go "huh?"
The US press and media thought it had it all after the Pentagon Papers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers#The_Supreme_Court_allows_further_publication
Now the US press has to try and stay how many hops away before publishing or commenting?
Very chilling for the US press.
Re: I'm guessing it's parallel construction derived from classified capabilities
Did feds mount a sustained attack on Tor to decloak crime suspects? (Jan 22 2015) http://arstechnica.com/tech-po... .. "protocol to carry out two classes of attack that together may have been enough to uncloak people "
Re: "German forces were forced to go around it in the interests of time."
Germany had the skills and planners to ensure the Maginot Line was useless. Germany went around and over forts.
Re "Multiple zones are needed, including zone de sécurité, zone d'exclusion."
East Germany tried that for the Berlin Wall and its different restricted boarder zones. People still made it over, under and escaped a massive set of complex local controls and a real wall with all its complexity.
All France can do now is fund a massive infiltration of its population with informants, spies and under cover police.
East Germany found that much more effective at preventing people from even getting to the restricted boarder zones.
As for France and its romantic return to building big forts what exclusion zone would be considered? Lots of eminent domain? Lots of just and preliminary compensation around each site? Or just build a big fort on the existing land at each site?
What is a drone to the Army? Something bigger?
It depends on who has to be sold on the emerging drone threat.
Aeronautical engineers in South America could be working on stealthy new drones to fly in drugs. AWACS might not see that new drug drone.
A stealthy glider is released and allows a drone like control system to fly in wealthy illegal immigrants every night.
A new homeland tax to pay for the drone wall? Lots of Spexer radar and big new super computers.
Like the Distant Early Warning Line https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... but for third world drones:)
Think of the funding and years of contracts:)
Sell the new project with an animation. A cartoon of 50 normal looking shipping containers release 100 drab colored drones on pre programmed missions. No command and control to block, low flight, low speed.
Some music, national colors and activate the drone patrol system. An advanced computer tracks each of the cheap drones, an animated engage sequence and they all fail.
Its all in the sales pitch, music and fear of the drab third world drone.
Another nation is sold into a multi layer, decades long contract to rent the drone patrol system.
The US has a few issues with that. An older working system is not a new boondoggle.
A new system can be exported and then has to have new support contracts. Nations are then fully locked deep into US export grade command and control systems.
The other fear is reload time and the computer systems tracking a lot of moving objects.
Exocet or a few 1970's Soviet systems?
Let's see where this goes.
Think of where a mouse could be used. With a VM that gets replaced everyday, on an OS without permanent installation, used with the air gapped and networked computer?
Yes the anonymity and privacy part is for well funded NGO's, journalists and activists to help with Colour revolutions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... in other parts of the world.
The use of the same networks now has a legal backing to remove anonymity and privacy. Anonymity is removed by tracking to uncover the original ip on any type of network used.
Privacy is removed by using malware to capture the plain text of any message as entered.
The tracking of all whistleblowers as they try to contact any journalist would now be legal. The journalist would be bait, all press websites nothing more than tracking websites.
Offer a journalist a news story, get it published, get a court order as the story was real, track everyone who then makes contact.
A well published journalist is now a false-front website for the next few years. From parallel construction to just construction.
The same reason "collect it all" is now public, political leaders talk of tracking all communications and new encryption will have backdoors and trapdoors as offered or sold.
Bureaucrats, technocrats, contractors and pundits understand that every aspect of the internet is trackable, all encryption use can be traced and decoded.
Political leaders have often talked about material in public to sell a story. Quoting from decrypted embassy material over the decades to the the new policy statements about tracking all communications.
With all the new public statements about internet tracking why stop now?
Most other nations will still have staff on site for a city, state, province or vital sector of their infrastructure.
A huge coal supply, cooling water and the staff can keep the lights on if the nation is ready and fully understands its own internal networks. Teams can work on error messages induced by national networks or just focus on the networking they can support.
Most nations should have kept the internet, a companies external email and billing networks away from critical infrastructure.
If a company did not keep that aspect air gapped then any code can find its way in from any email or connection request.
The real loss will be in big brands marketing. Who would trust a total national upgrade from strange foreign brands during bidding? Bids by many nations will be rejected early on the question of country of origin and security. 40 or 100 years of engineering excellence and competitive prices will not even be considered. Another nation or a local cartel might be the only systems considered. The trust is gone.
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Re: "It long past the point where the world needs a reliable supply of non-US based technology components, i now consider almost everything originating from the US as being irrevocably compromised" :)
Yes this is the first small positive steps that keep the networked computing side. The user gets new firmware, hardware and an OS thats more understood. The hardware also has some of the more remote friendly aspects looked at.
The next step for nations is a box with a chip and motherboard that is fully understood as designed. Beyond that is paper, a typewriter, one time pads and number stations.
Projects like this will help a lot of people and nations
Whats the average file size of the 350? Then work out the data flow of rest from that 0.0001 per cent of the total collected data.
Yes think of the domestic control. Human rights defenders, political parties, journalists, community leaders, trade unionists, legal teams, lawyers all might get an offer of digital files.
With systems like this that can be tracked back to the uploader and tracked to any other new downloaders.
A link sent to one person might get printed out and given to other human rights defenders, journalists, lawyers. No direct contact only interest in the same file.
A great way to stop domestic whistleblowers who try and use digital files and servers or just track a well crafted limited hangout.
A gov or mil needed the cover to say its only for foreigners to keep the gov staff happy.
Most govs worked out many years ago to tell gov staff that vast domestic surveillance networks where always only for foreigners and the Soviet Union. It stops all the same internal legal questions over the decades.
The press now has all the material.
The material shows that the privacy and anonymity of any net based services can be reduced and tracked.
Anything uploaded or downloaded can be tracked over time. A system to find what is going to be tracked and how to track the uploader and all downloaders. From a journalist under constant surveillance back to a contact who uploaded a file?
No data set is too large, network too difficult.
Informants with the slang, background story, paperwork and history that was created and correct for a group, cult, political event or other gathering.
Creating informants. Disrupting any real gatherings and recreating the members in a new front group as bait.
Computer networks attract like minded people to post and chat about their interests. At that stage their anonymity and privacy is fair game.
Encryption will not protect the origin of the message from a domestic system like Tempora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Privacy is gone when interacting with over time with interesting, creative strangers.
Encryption protects the message along the network. If the end site is a trap or has malware? The users origin could be traced with creative code on a site.
Keep a person of interest posting, making friends, invite them to help with very simple admin work. Turn them, track them or just use their content as bait.
Thats why encryption never worried the NSA or GCHQ. The encryption sold or offered was a junk standard or the entire surrounding network was tame.
The origins or and color of law that followed the The Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... should allow some insight into the tame networks.
The AC seems to list them by some security clearance that then fits in with skills needed on a past US mil or gov computer project?
Groups within some nations can also bring in a lot of shared experiences about college, how they where taught and past work.
That can shape a team or really allow group think to set in, cult like with a leader.
Re: "...how many nails does this damn coffin need before we can bury it?!"
Flash player still has the camera and mic support. A change to HTML5 video was the huge step.
Re "It needed to be replaced with something less detectable."
It depends on where some gov backed malware is found, who is hired to remove it and who can ensure any code found in the wild is not passed to antivirus, spyware and malware protection teams for further global study and public discussion.
A nation would allow its own private sector or academic teams to find the malware networking, create an expert team for the study and removal only to be told it would be done by a domestic intelligence organization.
So Western nation could have teams find the networking used but nothing more would be mentioned in public and the western nation is left with questions about what and who is allowed to run in complex networks for years.
The trust is gone.
Re: "People everywhere in the world are trying to avoid buying" :)
Nations will just revert to paper, number stations and one time pads. Couriers, cults, faith, background investigations that interview friends, generations of family, teachers in person.
Other nations have systems and trusted staff to revert back to. Expecting junk computer networks to just keep producing real global intelligence was a wonderful boondoggle over decades.
The "most advanced espionage malware platforms ever studied" would then just find disinformation or limited hangouts been produced for the junk global networks
Yes the different systems get the drivers face, passengers face, front and/or rear vehicle registration plates. :)
Add in data about any cell phone
Re:"The first amendment has officially been shredded, and now comes the icing on the cake."
Anonymity and privacy for whistleblowers is gone with systems like Tempora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The ability to track back any contact with a journalist removes all anonymity. The privacy of the message could be lost to malware.
GCHQ captured emails of journalists from top international media (19 jan 2015)
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-...
The US always thought it was legally covered with a free and unrestrained press.
Re "Nobody seems to know anything at all about any of these other programs"
The UK media could be the way to understand the tracking and results.
Re "This rather random assortment of charges that make you go "huh?"
The US press and media thought it had it all after the Pentagon Papers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers#The_Supreme_Court_allows_further_publication
Now the US press has to try and stay how many hops away before publishing or commenting?
Very chilling for the US press.
HTTPS ensures the advertizing connection is direct and secure. Users can then select to share even more unique data about location, apps, usage.
Re: I'm guessing it's parallel construction derived from classified capabilities
.. "protocol to carry out two classes of attack that together may have been enough to uncloak people "
Did feds mount a sustained attack on Tor to decloak crime suspects? (Jan 22 2015)
http://arstechnica.com/tech-po...
Re: "German forces were forced to go around it in the interests of time."
Germany had the skills and planners to ensure the Maginot Line was useless. Germany went around and over forts.
Re "Multiple zones are needed, including zone de sécurité, zone d'exclusion."
East Germany tried that for the Berlin Wall and its different restricted boarder zones. People still made it over, under and escaped a massive set of complex local controls and a real wall with all its complexity.
All France can do now is fund a massive infiltration of its population with informants, spies and under cover police.
East Germany found that much more effective at preventing people from even getting to the restricted boarder zones.
As for France and its romantic return to building big forts what exclusion zone would be considered?
Lots of eminent domain? Lots of just and preliminary compensation around each site?
Or just build a big fort on the existing land at each site?
Turn every site into a mini Maginot Line or fortified (hérisson) camp like at Dien Bien Phu.
How big to make the zone? 4,000-metre ~4,400 yd radius?
Hope that every drone has a huge, hot, heavy engine that designers did not think to try and hide.
What is a drone to the Army? Something bigger?
It depends on who has to be sold on the emerging drone threat.
Aeronautical engineers in South America could be working on stealthy new drones to fly in drugs. AWACS might not see that new drug drone.
A stealthy glider is released and allows a drone like control system to fly in wealthy illegal immigrants every night.
A new homeland tax to pay for the drone wall? Lots of Spexer radar and big new super computers. :) :)
Like the Distant Early Warning Line https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... but for third world drones
Think of the funding and years of contracts
Sell the new project with an animation. A cartoon of 50 normal looking shipping containers release 100 drab colored drones on pre programmed missions. No command and control to block, low flight, low speed.
Some music, national colors and activate the drone patrol system. An advanced computer tracks each of the cheap drones, an animated engage sequence and they all fail.
Its all in the sales pitch, music and fear of the drab third world drone.
Another nation is sold into a multi layer, decades long contract to rent the drone patrol system.
The US has a few issues with that. An older working system is not a new boondoggle.
A new system can be exported and then has to have new support contracts. Nations are then fully locked deep into US export grade command and control systems.
The other fear is reload time and the computer systems tracking a lot of moving objects.
Exocet or a few 1970's Soviet systems?
Let's see where this goes.
Think of where a mouse could be used. With a VM that gets replaced everyday, on an OS without permanent installation, used with the air gapped and networked computer?
Yes the anonymity and privacy part is for well funded NGO's, journalists and activists to help with Colour revolutions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... in other parts of the world.
The use of the same networks now has a legal backing to remove anonymity and privacy. Anonymity is removed by tracking to uncover the original ip on any type of network used.
Privacy is removed by using malware to capture the plain text of any message as entered.
The tracking of all whistleblowers as they try to contact any journalist would now be legal. The journalist would be bait, all press websites nothing more than tracking websites.
Offer a journalist a news story, get it published, get a court order as the story was real, track everyone who then makes contact.
A well published journalist is now a false-front website for the next few years. From parallel construction to just construction.
The same reason "collect it all" is now public, political leaders talk of tracking all communications and new encryption will have backdoors and trapdoors as offered or sold.
Bureaucrats, technocrats, contractors and pundits understand that every aspect of the internet is trackable, all encryption use can be traced and decoded.
Political leaders have often talked about material in public to sell a story. Quoting from decrypted embassy material over the decades to the the new policy statements about tracking all communications.
With all the new public statements about internet tracking why stop now?
Most other nations will still have staff on site for a city, state, province or vital sector of their infrastructure.
A huge coal supply, cooling water and the staff can keep the lights on if the nation is ready and fully understands its own internal networks. Teams can work on error messages induced by national networks or just focus on the networking they can support.
Most nations should have kept the internet, a companies external email and billing networks away from critical infrastructure.
If a company did not keep that aspect air gapped then any code can find its way in from any email or connection request.
The real loss will be in big brands marketing. Who would trust a total national upgrade from strange foreign brands during bidding?
Bids by many nations will be rejected early on the question of country of origin and security.
40 or 100 years of engineering excellence and competitive prices will not even be considered. Another nation or a local cartel might be the only systems considered. The trust is gone.