West/Germany opened its telco system up the NSA, GCHQ - with that would have come very few conditions - Germany would not spy on the US and UK.
The US would help Germany with a few unrelated mil projects and other systems or hardware.
Germany knew it was a one way agreement but to have German staff supporting junk encryption and help track German firms is getting to be a hard sell.
German political leaders have to work out if they want to share conversations with 5++ other nations and their contractors. Or will German political leaders support German jobs, German energy needs, exports, needed imports and German entrepreneurship long term.
The US can go on selling the junk encryption and offering mil support. Sooner or later other nations will do their own math and wonder what lost trade deals are worth vs shared access to some results of global junk encryption.
Will the German brands that lost huge long term deals have a say this time around or will the German telcos win again?
Re 'The time Germany wanted money from the US were about 60 years ago."
Yes the NSA help with a new expanding West German telephone and later data network was great for catching East German spies and other groups incompatible with West German democracy.
What West Germany was very slow to understand was that with the NSA they had many other nations staff, contractors getting all of the same West German communications and political insight over decades for free.
The GCHQ was very interesting in the West German reaction to the UK entering the EU (Common market), UK Tornado aircraft sales to Germany (NATO).
All this was sold to West Germany gov as support for work relating to East Germany and other mil issues.
Only later did Germany seem to finally fully understand why the UK seemed to be so ready for any German export positions or German foreign policy.
Long term only winners where German staff and contractors keeping the taps/splitters working and US/UK exports.
The gift of US and UK crypto was secure against East Germany and Soviet Union/Russia in many ways but back to plain text junk over generations just as todays 'internet' experts seem to be finally understanding.
Other nations understood that all crypto and telco kit they bought was junk but had to be used.
West/Germany seems to have trusted the crypto and telco junk or had its own experts never question/understand what it was installing.
Germany lags the USA and Russia in arms sales. Even the numbers can be tricky with smaller nations e.g. the UK firms doing very well out of US needs during the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...
The question is what Germany, the Netherlands, France, Belgium and Denmark signed up for when sharing their nations telco systems in bulk with the UK and USA.
A one way deal with Germany, the Netherlands, France, Belgium and Denmark getting extra support in other mil areas vs the USA and UK looking at lucrative trade deals?
Now German private interest and firms with world wide contracts have to face the reality of their own German gov actively, over generations working against German exports, technical secrets and export creating creativity.
Even German political leaders are handed junk crypto phones by their own gov experts and telco firms, totally open to 5 other nations, a few more nations friendly to the USA and contractors.
What can Germany do? The crypto standards it uses to stay in the international marketplace are junk, its own top crypto and telco experts are more friendly other nations staff. German trade negotiations and weapons sales, energy deals are open to many other nations leaders and random cleared staff during negotiations.
The good news is Germany bands seem to be going for huge longterm global exports rather than falling for short term NATO political games.
Groups within NATO and the US playing color revolution vs German brands need for raw materials and global export markets.
Over the years German firms seem to have understood not to say too much on junk telco networks, avoid provided conference/office space and seem to be wining more long term exports.
We have seen huge efforts by contractors to sell malware with key logging or tracking to different govs using deep insights into consumer OS over many years.
With quality AV efforts from around the world and more realtime networked behaviour analysis who is winning the dissident watching game?
Thanks very much.
Crypto efforts from the UK and EU where attempted by different firms in the 1950-80's i.e. real crypto for small firms and non EU/EU governments.
Their efforts faced other brands with vast marketing efforts, lots of cash and loss leader like low prices that seemed to win gov contracts.
When embassies saw their crypto messages in the Western press years later they understood why. The hardware as sold was crypto junk. What they had found on the international market was a series of US/UK gov backed front companies.
Expect the same for any 'open source hardware and software" efforts. Some would face huge banding issues with bizarre names, low cash flow and constant infighting with any experts moving to other more productive projects.
Other start ups with open source hardware and software would have a great 'small' team, get instant and wide press, language translations are ready and have mystery backers with deep pockets.
So yes open source hardware and software is great but be aware of many past crypto efforts i.e. how great ideas for code and hardware ended back as plain text thanks to poor quality trusted product design.
NATO will always have to buy what compatible and longterm US systems the US offers them.
As for the wider public marketing still works its magic. Price in the EU might become a factor with Asian brands been able to offer low cost hardware with known regional software with goof cpu and gpu options. The ability to spy on you was within digital networks and is cared for by regional staff. Even local political leaders are handed junk crypto by their own gov experts, their nations insights flowing to a few other nations.
International standards will herd most firms to brands with junk crypto. Can a firm afford to link a series of white box efforts with their own code vs the support of a big known brand that just works?
The good news is the need for white box testing and in house code skill set is now been considered.
No change in the front end for sales but a slow shift to more secure storage long term. Less vast databases kept on open networks.
A fun test will be next gen low cost made in China/Asia 100% clean hardware/telco layer and OS solutions vs Western telco certification i.e. its not as decryption friendly out of the box.
Re If they're worried about the NSA having code running on their tablets.... why did they swap their mach/freebsd running tablets for ones running and OS that's had heavy development from the NSA?
Russia always knew its telco and radio and related mil networks where been collected in bulk by the US and UK via surrounding countries.
Russia tried the onetime pad, no chatter (no extra messages) for a short time in the 1950's. Russia quickly found they could not run a modern mil communications system with that kind of work load per message. The US and UK got much less but rapid internal communications became too difficult.
By the 1960-70's the US and UK where getting everything as Russia had no option but to upgrade and understood all its communications was leaking and been tracked/mapped.
Why use a different brand of tablets that will still be NSA ready? Staff need tablets for day to day tasks. The divestment aspect is popular, the open source code is good for local developers and cash spent moves to Asia - hearts and minds.
The USA has been into all generations of crypto, all networking, software and hardware as sold - no escape from that reality.
Most countries would exchange some form of travel document details on people of interest - i.e. kept unique passport data.
e.g. an image of the passport was found, details sent to the US.
Passport data is pretty standard and read by computer around the world everyday. Most countries even like to count/have reconciled passports entering, passports leaving.
A very easy way to find people who overstay or used different documents later or have stolen papers.
Such systems are decades old and most countries do not make mistakes with that kind of data. For a person of interest to police in the last 10 years....
We have most of the parts in place. CPU, GPU, servers, movies in a digital format, payment methods.
What is missing seems to be the bandwidth via telco and ISP monopolies and cartels around the world.
If you don't pay for expensive dedicated networking... you wait even with good physical networks.
Russian names should not be an issue for the USA in ~2000~2014. They have spent vast sums educating their mil and gov during the cold war and have had US digital database experts since the 1960's...
The US is not some loser nation with massive budget restrictions upgrading from paper files to imported super computers in the 1970's.
The US is not some loser nation with massive budget restrictions trying to find staff with language skills in the 1950's.
This is not Korea or Vietnam in the 1950-60's where the US gov did have to play catch up.
The USA did great work tracking the KGB/GRU and others within the USA for many decades and that took spelling skills and complex shared database work.
The USA did great work tracking the KGB/GRU staff changes... and that took spelling and database work too.
If the USA is having issues with Russian names in a US gov database after 2000++ - someone has ensured a name is protected/free to travel.
The fact the Russians had him on their lists shows *something*.
The fact the Russians told the USA shows they knew something *something*. Russia also wanted to be seen telling the USA.
When does Russia really want another country to know about some person they are tracking? When the other nation knows it all.
The fact the US gov did not seem very interested at all ie allowed free travel... did not do too much is very telling too.
From then on it gets tricky - he could be in the Russian part of the world for a good US reason and been allowed back into the USA as part of ongoing US backed activities.
Now we get a rewarmed database spelling mistake story? If your free to travel, someone in a gov is allowing your papers to keep on working.... ie not flagged, listed and that takes powerful gov connections.
Will move to the age of the gutter.
It really depends on the funding to upgrade to turn key robot factories in the USA.
Cost of building turn key robot factories in the USA for production of plastic junk vs just shipping plastic junk into USA?
Who will make the robots? Germany? Italy? South Korea? Japan?
Who will repair the robots as they are swapped out over the life of a production line? Indonesia? The Philippines? Vietnam?
Revolutionary equipment upgrades are expensive per generation say 20-30 years.
Huge loans flowing to other countries to import costly robots will not look good to US shareholders demanding fantasy growth numbers every year.
Other countries have the skilled production base to evolve into robotics or the really low wages to move into robot repair.
The US has huge just in time supply networks into other much cheaper countries.
What can the US do? A huge effort for drones and next gen weapons systems 100% made in the USA? Gift US heavy industry robots via massive new US gov mil contracts so the shareholders don't see the real costs of upgrades on their brands?
Even getting that kind of new loan for the US gov is getting tricky - just making interest payments on past loans is getting not so easy for the USA.
A big new push for new US weapons will keep things looking good until the loans have to be repaid.
They know the voice prints via the burner cell use. The hop aspect sounds like color of law to calm US staff. With overlapping sets of 3 hops you can legally cover vast sections of any network.
Snowden filled in the gaps from the 1980's to say 200x about the ongoing world wide collection of data and vast domestic unconstitutional surveillance networks.
Snowden showed generations of US political leaders where happy to go along with a vast domestic unconstitutional surveillance network.
Snowden showed a lack of any US political legal oversight of a vast domestic unconstitutional surveillance network.
Snowden showed corporate leaders in the US to be happy with a vast domestic unconstitutional surveillance network.
Snowden showed teams of corporate US lawyers where happy with a vast domestic unconstitutional surveillance network.
Snowden showed teams of corporate US scientists/engineers could not understand the reality of a vast domestic unconstitutional surveillance network over years on their own networks.
Snowden showed parts of the US press to be very tame over the years when given insights of a vast domestic unconstitutional surveillance network.
Snowden showed aspects of US cryptography to junk.
The good thing is Snowden builds on years research done in the 1960-90's and shows an ongoing upgrade of a vast domestic unconstitutional surveillance network.
Also recall other nations leaders got a look at vast amounts of data collected by the US - and their staff and others...
Will the US get change - no - the US political reaction to the Total Information Awareness http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T... seems to show the options - hide more, use color of law to ensure tame staff keep the unconstitutional surveillance network collecting under new names and budgets away from any oversight.
People now know their OS, phones, hardware, networking, offered cryptography, legal oversight, press, experts are expensive junk - thats a good thing to consider when buying new systems and upgrading software:)
Without Snowden we would still have our wonderful sock puppets telling us political oversight works, the law is strong, cryptography is peer reviewed, the press would find out... and thats its all too complex/expensive to collect/sort/save everything...
The good news is real experts in the US can now work on better hardware and software and good US lawyers can work on surveillance law reform.
Yes with all the international treaties floating around expect to see local and national laws reflecting traditions surrounding 'innocence" to be protected.
A simple way would be after your ip is seen few times via logs your home is searched. To get your computer and other electronic or networked appliances back worth $100's or many thousands expect $20,000 in ongoing legal fees and related experts over many months, years.
With networking and remote access been built into more common household appliances you may be left a more empty home and huge legal bills.
A simple lcd on a new refrigerator for recipes/restocking or was it a 24/7 networked server sharing pirated digital property that had the common dual use to keep food cool?
Only a court approved expert can legally examine it - your still innocent btw.
The locals have voted, is the US and EU going to go in and undo a local vote? Will the locals be happy about been reintegrated back into the EU and NATO after their vote?
The other option is for NATO and the US to revert to backing all kinds of regional freedom fighters and turn up regional tensions over vast areas with the tame press watching.
Its the perfect storm of soft loans, hard currency deals, coups, gas, huge backing for color revolutions, future regional pipelines, the interests of Russia, UK, EU, USA and NATO.
Add in contractors selling advanced weapons and long term mil support systems to needy nations via new loans.,, everybody is winning but the locals who just wanted to vote.
Since Peter the Great Russia has always understood the need for its own ports and the value of exports from Russia by Russians on Russian ships. How the world responds to Russia trading on its own terms with its own raw materials, setting its own prices is very well known historically.
The other aspect is regional politics with leaders been seen as willing to help NATO or Russia just to out pace their rivals and get a part of big soft loans, gas deals.
They can find nationalism and flip sides with the next big loan or energy deal:)
You have and earthquake so the rods get pushed in to stop the reaction - fast - you don't want the warped equipment of a reactor after an earthquake with the a number of rods stuck.
You then have to cool over a long time - lots of big expensive pumps running from big diesel generators vs all the heat.
If your cost cutting you dig your plant low into strong ground to pass regulations on known earthquake events - near an ocean going that low is not so smart.
After water starts flooding your big diesel generators local power for cooling power is gone and your on battery power for a short time.
When that runs low you have no cooling, big diesel generators are gone and no local power grid to help cool.
Whats left of your reactor pours down into surrounding plant structure to cool itself.
Re Who's side is right in most conflicts are a matter of opinion backed by the winner. Send your kids over? Is it worth you or yours dying for, especially if you don't have all the facts?
Thats going to be the sock puppet war option, do big powers in the US and EU go in to undo a vote in a region?
The EU votes to allow your region in, you don't get to vote to stay out?
If so Gibraltar, Guantanamo Bay, 1980-90's Yugoslavia, other parts of Spain, parts of the UK, South Sudan, Tibet, Ireland, Falkland Islands start to look legally as interesting.
Some 'declaration of independence" by locals voting is then lost on the wider community?
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West/Germany opened its telco system up the NSA, GCHQ - with that would have come very few conditions - Germany would not spy on the US and UK.
The US would help Germany with a few unrelated mil projects and other systems or hardware.
Germany knew it was a one way agreement but to have German staff supporting junk encryption and help track German firms is getting to be a hard sell.
German political leaders have to work out if they want to share conversations with 5++ other nations and their contractors. Or will German political leaders support German jobs, German energy needs, exports, needed imports and German entrepreneurship long term.
The US can go on selling the junk encryption and offering mil support. Sooner or later other nations will do their own math and wonder what lost trade deals are worth vs shared access to some results of global junk encryption.
Will the German brands that lost huge long term deals have a say this time around or will the German telcos win again?
Re 'The time Germany wanted money from the US were about 60 years ago."
Yes the NSA help with a new expanding West German telephone and later data network was great for catching East German spies and other groups incompatible with West German democracy.
What West Germany was very slow to understand was that with the NSA they had many other nations staff, contractors getting all of the same West German communications and political insight over decades for free.
The GCHQ was very interesting in the West German reaction to the UK entering the EU (Common market), UK Tornado aircraft sales to Germany (NATO).
All this was sold to West Germany gov as support for work relating to East Germany and other mil issues.
Only later did Germany seem to finally fully understand why the UK seemed to be so ready for any German export positions or German foreign policy.
Long term only winners where German staff and contractors keeping the taps/splitters working and US/UK exports.
The gift of US and UK crypto was secure against East Germany and Soviet Union/Russia in many ways but back to plain text junk over generations just as todays 'internet' experts seem to be finally understanding.
Other nations understood that all crypto and telco kit they bought was junk but had to be used.
West/Germany seems to have trusted the crypto and telco junk or had its own experts never question/understand what it was installing.
Germany lags the USA and Russia in arms sales. Even the numbers can be tricky with smaller nations e.g. the UK firms doing very well out of US needs during the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...
The question is what Germany, the Netherlands, France, Belgium and Denmark signed up for when sharing their nations telco systems in bulk with the UK and USA.
A one way deal with Germany, the Netherlands, France, Belgium and Denmark getting extra support in other mil areas vs the USA and UK looking at lucrative trade deals?
Now German private interest and firms with world wide contracts have to face the reality of their own German gov actively, over generations working against German exports, technical secrets and export creating creativity.
Even German political leaders are handed junk crypto phones by their own gov experts and telco firms, totally open to 5 other nations, a few more nations friendly to the USA and contractors.
What can Germany do? The crypto standards it uses to stay in the international marketplace are junk, its own top crypto and telco experts are more friendly other nations staff. German trade negotiations and weapons sales, energy deals are open to many other nations leaders and random cleared staff during negotiations.
The good news is Germany bands seem to be going for huge longterm global exports rather than falling for short term NATO political games.
Groups within NATO and the US playing color revolution vs German brands need for raw materials and global export markets.
Over the years German firms seem to have understood not to say too much on junk telco networks, avoid provided conference/office space and seem to be wining more long term exports.
We have seen huge efforts by contractors to sell malware with key logging or tracking to different govs using deep insights into consumer OS over many years.
With quality AV efforts from around the world and more realtime networked behaviour analysis who is winning the dissident watching game?
Thanks very much.
Crypto efforts from the UK and EU where attempted by different firms in the 1950-80's i.e. real crypto for small firms and non EU/EU governments.
Their efforts faced other brands with vast marketing efforts, lots of cash and loss leader like low prices that seemed to win gov contracts.
When embassies saw their crypto messages in the Western press years later they understood why. The hardware as sold was crypto junk. What they had found on the international market was a series of US/UK gov backed front companies.
Expect the same for any 'open source hardware and software" efforts. Some would face huge banding issues with bizarre names, low cash flow and constant infighting with any experts moving to other more productive projects.
Other start ups with open source hardware and software would have a great 'small' team, get instant and wide press, language translations are ready and have mystery backers with deep pockets.
So yes open source hardware and software is great but be aware of many past crypto efforts i.e. how great ideas for code and hardware ended back as plain text thanks to poor quality trusted product design.
NATO will always have to buy what compatible and longterm US systems the US offers them.
As for the wider public marketing still works its magic. Price in the EU might become a factor with Asian brands been able to offer low cost hardware with known regional software with goof cpu and gpu options. The ability to spy on you was within digital networks and is cared for by regional staff. Even local political leaders are handed junk crypto by their own gov experts, their nations insights flowing to a few other nations.
International standards will herd most firms to brands with junk crypto. Can a firm afford to link a series of white box efforts with their own code vs the support of a big known brand that just works?
The good news is the need for white box testing and in house code skill set is now been considered.
No change in the front end for sales but a slow shift to more secure storage long term. Less vast databases kept on open networks.
A fun test will be next gen low cost made in China/Asia 100% clean hardware/telco layer and OS solutions vs Western telco certification i.e. its not as decryption friendly out of the box.
Re If they're worried about the NSA having code running on their tablets.... why did they swap their mach/freebsd running tablets for ones running and OS that's had heavy development from the NSA?
Russia always knew its telco and radio and related mil networks where been collected in bulk by the US and UK via surrounding countries.
Russia tried the onetime pad, no chatter (no extra messages) for a short time in the 1950's. Russia quickly found they could not run a modern mil communications system with that kind of work load per message. The US and UK got much less but rapid internal communications became too difficult.
By the 1960-70's the US and UK where getting everything as Russia had no option but to upgrade and understood all its communications was leaking and been tracked/mapped.
Why use a different brand of tablets that will still be NSA ready? Staff need tablets for day to day tasks. The divestment aspect is popular, the open source code is good for local developers and cash spent moves to Asia - hearts and minds.
The USA has been into all generations of crypto, all networking, software and hardware as sold - no escape from that reality.
Most countries would exchange some form of travel document details on people of interest - i.e. kept unique passport data. ....
e.g. an image of the passport was found, details sent to the US.
Passport data is pretty standard and read by computer around the world everyday. Most countries even like to count/have reconciled passports entering, passports leaving.
A very easy way to find people who overstay or used different documents later or have stolen papers.
Such systems are decades old and most countries do not make mistakes with that kind of data. For a person of interest to police in the last 10 years
We have most of the parts in place. CPU, GPU, servers, movies in a digital format, payment methods. ... you wait even with good physical networks.
What is missing seems to be the bandwidth via telco and ISP monopolies and cartels around the world.
If you don't pay for expensive dedicated networking
Not cross-referenced might not be the same as flag removed?
Snowden was flagged by the CIA but then got a contractor job with the NSA... just another database issue?
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10...
As I said AC "The fact the US gov did not seem very interested"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M... seems to hint at 1980s for the machine-readable format.
Passports are usually scanned to prevent human "type names" issues.
Russian names should not be an issue for the USA in ~2000~2014. They have spent vast sums educating their mil and gov during the cold war and have had US digital database experts since the 1960's...
The US is not some loser nation with massive budget restrictions upgrading from paper files to imported super computers in the 1970's.
The US is not some loser nation with massive budget restrictions trying to find staff with language skills in the 1950's.
This is not Korea or Vietnam in the 1950-60's where the US gov did have to play catch up.
The USA did great work tracking the KGB/GRU and others within the USA for many decades and that took spelling skills and complex shared database work.
The USA did great work tracking the KGB/GRU staff changes... and that took spelling and database work too.
If the USA is having issues with Russian names in a US gov database after 2000++ - someone has ensured a name is protected/free to travel.
The fact the Russians had him on their lists shows *something*.
The fact the Russians told the USA shows they knew something *something*. Russia also wanted to be seen telling the USA.
When does Russia really want another country to know about some person they are tracking? When the other nation knows it all.
The fact the US gov did not seem very interested at all ie allowed free travel... did not do too much is very telling too.
From then on it gets tricky - he could be in the Russian part of the world for a good US reason and been allowed back into the USA as part of ongoing US backed activities.
Now we get a rewarmed database spelling mistake story? If your free to travel, someone in a gov is allowing your papers to keep on working....
ie not flagged, listed and that takes powerful gov connections.
Will move to the age of the gutter.
It really depends on the funding to upgrade to turn key robot factories in the USA.
Cost of building turn key robot factories in the USA for production of plastic junk vs just shipping plastic junk into USA?
Who will make the robots? Germany? Italy? South Korea? Japan?
Who will repair the robots as they are swapped out over the life of a production line? Indonesia? The Philippines? Vietnam?
Revolutionary equipment upgrades are expensive per generation say 20-30 years.
Huge loans flowing to other countries to import costly robots will not look good to US shareholders demanding fantasy growth numbers every year.
Other countries have the skilled production base to evolve into robotics or the really low wages to move into robot repair.
The US has huge just in time supply networks into other much cheaper countries.
What can the US do? A huge effort for drones and next gen weapons systems 100% made in the USA? Gift US heavy industry robots via massive new US gov mil contracts so the shareholders don't see the real costs of upgrades on their brands?
Even getting that kind of new loan for the US gov is getting tricky - just making interest payments on past loans is getting not so easy for the USA.
A big new push for new US weapons will keep things looking good until the loans have to be repaid.
They know the voice prints via the burner cell use. The hop aspect sounds like color of law to calm US staff. With overlapping sets of 3 hops you can legally cover vast sections of any network.
Snowden filled in the gaps from the 1980's to say 200x about the ongoing world wide collection of data and vast domestic unconstitutional surveillance networks. :) ...
Snowden showed generations of US political leaders where happy to go along with a vast domestic unconstitutional surveillance network.
Snowden showed a lack of any US political legal oversight of a vast domestic unconstitutional surveillance network.
Snowden showed corporate leaders in the US to be happy with a vast domestic unconstitutional surveillance network.
Snowden showed teams of corporate US lawyers where happy with a vast domestic unconstitutional surveillance network.
Snowden showed teams of corporate US scientists/engineers could not understand the reality of a vast domestic unconstitutional surveillance network over years on their own networks.
Snowden showed parts of the US press to be very tame over the years when given insights of a vast domestic unconstitutional surveillance network.
Snowden showed aspects of US cryptography to junk.
The good thing is Snowden builds on years research done in the 1960-90's and shows an ongoing upgrade of a vast domestic unconstitutional surveillance network.
Also recall other nations leaders got a look at vast amounts of data collected by the US - and their staff and others...
Will the US get change - no - the US political reaction to the Total Information Awareness http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T... seems to show the options - hide more, use color of law to ensure tame staff keep the unconstitutional surveillance network collecting under new names and budgets away from any oversight.
People now know their OS, phones, hardware, networking, offered cryptography, legal oversight, press, experts are expensive junk - thats a good thing to consider when buying new systems and upgrading software
Without Snowden we would still have our wonderful sock puppets telling us political oversight works, the law is strong, cryptography is peer reviewed, the press would find out... and thats its all too complex/expensive to collect/sort/save everything
The good news is real experts in the US can now work on better hardware and software and good US lawyers can work on surveillance law reform.
Yes with all the international treaties floating around expect to see local and national laws reflecting traditions surrounding 'innocence" to be protected.
A simple way would be after your ip is seen few times via logs your home is searched. To get your computer and other electronic or networked appliances back worth $100's or many thousands expect $20,000 in ongoing legal fees and related experts over many months, years.
With networking and remote access been built into more common household appliances you may be left a more empty home and huge legal bills.
A simple lcd on a new refrigerator for recipes/restocking or was it a 24/7 networked server sharing pirated digital property that had the common dual use to keep food cool?
Only a court approved expert can legally examine it - your still innocent btw.
The locals have voted, is the US and EU going to go in and undo a local vote? Will the locals be happy about been reintegrated back into the EU and NATO after their vote? :)
The other option is for NATO and the US to revert to backing all kinds of regional freedom fighters and turn up regional tensions over vast areas with the tame press watching.
Its the perfect storm of soft loans, hard currency deals, coups, gas, huge backing for color revolutions, future regional pipelines, the interests of Russia, UK, EU, USA and NATO.
Add in contractors selling advanced weapons and long term mil support systems to needy nations via new loans.,, everybody is winning but the locals who just wanted to vote.
Since Peter the Great Russia has always understood the need for its own ports and the value of exports from Russia by Russians on Russian ships. How the world responds to Russia trading on its own terms with its own raw materials, setting its own prices is very well known historically.
The other aspect is regional politics with leaders been seen as willing to help NATO or Russia just to out pace their rivals and get a part of big soft loans, gas deals.
They can find nationalism and flip sides with the next big loan or energy deal
You have and earthquake so the rods get pushed in to stop the reaction - fast - you don't want the warped equipment of a reactor after an earthquake with the a number of rods stuck.
You then have to cool over a long time - lots of big expensive pumps running from big diesel generators vs all the heat.
If your cost cutting you dig your plant low into strong ground to pass regulations on known earthquake events - near an ocean going that low is not so smart.
After water starts flooding your big diesel generators local power for cooling power is gone and your on battery power for a short time.
When that runs low you have no cooling, big diesel generators are gone and no local power grid to help cool.
Whats left of your reactor pours down into surrounding plant structure to cool itself.
Re submarine command around the world?
'Vacuum causes $400M damage to nuclear submarine" from USA
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/...
"Fire breaks out on Russian nuclear submarine" from Russia
http://www.reuters.com/article...
"Navy warship accidentally fires torpedo at nuclear dockyard" from UK
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/fin...
They seem to be having they own dock related issues?
Re Who's side is right in most conflicts are a matter of opinion backed by the winner. Send your kids over? Is it worth you or yours dying for, especially if you don't have all the facts?
Thats going to be the sock puppet war option, do big powers in the US and EU go in to undo a vote in a region?
The EU votes to allow your region in, you don't get to vote to stay out?
If so Gibraltar, Guantanamo Bay, 1980-90's Yugoslavia, other parts of Spain, parts of the UK, South Sudan, Tibet, Ireland, Falkland Islands start to look legally as interesting.
Some 'declaration of independence" by locals voting is then lost on the wider community?