Expect to see a lot more stories like this ie "Availability of Public Diplomacy Program Material Within the United States"
Most of this kind of news was run by the US gov around the world but not for US domestic consumption.
The limits on this kind of gov backed PR, spin within the US ie the Smith-Mundt Act are now lifted.
The sock puppets and public diplomacy types will be flooding US news sites with this kind of material as stories and then shaping comments. https://www.federalregister.go...
Re AC Citation needed. about the "This is less rigged and better regulated."
"The Vampire Squid Strikes Again: The Mega Banks' Most Devious Scam Yet" (Feb 12, 2014) http://www.rollingstone.com/po...
Everything Is Rigged: The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever (April 25, 2013) http://www.rollingstone.com/po...
an easy understand insight into the aspect of the average person having a equal go.
Re Has anyone, anywhere, seen an instance where a move like this actually works out well?
Think of the banana republic model and the way the USA looked after South and Central America over many decades.
Experts arrived, products and services where imported, the raw materials where exported and local wages kept down.
Shareholders in the US got to enjoy generational wealth and their `"trust" funds grew.
The system works great, you just have to adjust to the role of seasonal shanty town worker or at best an on call technician - local middle class engineering is just too costly in todays networked world.
Its happens in a lot of US sectors from mil to computers to support.
You set up a 100% US based firm to lobby for and sign off on US work, all the US legal needs, US contracting, US academic. State/federal US requirements are met.
At the back end is massive complex reality of a 24/7 cost saving outsourcing/offshoring service.
A massive reduction in US costs, a massive flow of long term cash out of the US for decades services all via a 100% Made in the USA success story.
Re even qualified to implement protocols like this.
Thats a very interesting point. How many have their tools of the trade via a top university settings and a security clearance option and dependant funding.
Once you start down the math path the classes get smaller and fewer stay for needed years vs lure of private sector telco or unrelated software work.
Most nations really do produce very few with the skills and keep them very happy.
Trips, low level staff to help, good funding, guidance, friendships all just seem to fall into place.
Bringing work home and helping open source could be seen as been an issue later vs students or team members who did open source games or made apps.
Re how did nobody else find out about this until now?
The same reason NATO and other US allies did not understand the NSA Martin and Mitchell defection http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M... in 1960 with the press conference saying:
"As we know from our previous experience working at N.S.A., the United States successfully reads the secure communications of more than forty nations, including its own allies."
Embassies, govs and firms went on using the same junk standard crypto hardware over decades of revisions. Some even got to re read their own secure embassy communications 'leaked' to the Western press.
There seems to be something missing on the story of gov, staff and developers when it comes to crypto products.
Skilled EU gov experts handing their own political leaders broken crypto that 5++ other nations can break seems too good to be true over generations.
Junk in the hardware decades, junk in the software decades all for speed, interoperability and after a good sales pitch?
Or a lot of skilled people around the world know and just tell their respective govs to bait the junk communications networks until US political leaders speak out.
Re How do you propose to separate them? Offense and defense are not really two separate things; if you can do one, you can do the other.
Think back to past presidents views on parts of the the US intelligence community.
JKF had is views on the CIA after the Bay of pigs.
Rockefeller Commission, Church Committee, Pike Committee, Murphy Commission, the Select Committee on Intelligence and the Directorate of Operations events in 1977. The domestic activities, human experimentation issues and need for a ban on assassinations all became public. The CIA changed to technical collection removing a lot of staff.
Then you had joys of the Iran-Contra Affair then onto Intelligence Authorization Act.
The NSA could face the same path due to the loud, public domestic activities around U.S. citizens and persons with U.S. permanent residence. A return to its classic quiet support role around the world vs its new emerging need to play a role or say in offensive direct action roles.
The GCHQ had it right - stay hidden, build a vast tech, political and staff foundation going back generations and never comment on very much.
Recall the end of the Clipper conversations the US gov had with the public over role of US code experts and US exports?
In the end it seemed you could have any crypto you wanted at any price or for free....
The "separate" has to come back to protecting U.S. citizens from a vast life long domestic spying program and global junk US crypto standards.
It really depends on the end game for *you*.
Client data might be used for "full spectrum" efforts e.g. propaganda, deception, mass messaging, pushing stories, spoofing, alias development or psychology.
i.e. the service you use is weekend.
The other aspect is how many groups knew of this crypto trick? The US and just a few friendly govs, their staff, their contractors and any ex staff or staff open to faith or cash needs.
Just another way in:) http://www.businessweek.com/ar...
Re " both models have advantages and disadvantages depending on what the product is, the size of its market, the type of market, etc. and sometimes those advantages can't even be realised"
The problem with a closed source effort is what we saw with Prism http://www.theguardian.com/wor...
The legal system and dev staff stay with the closed source product.
With open source code - when an issue is found days, months, years later it can be corrected, fully understood and fed back into further world wide crypto education.
The other option is to trust known weakened corporate encryption over many new versions and have faith in their legal teams... just like you did the first few times...
The other emerging aspect is that of US National Security Letters (NSL) for ongoing bulk collection 'efforts' vs a more global open source code.
After Snowden many more people will be looking at crypto, with open source code someone might be able to offer reviewed, tested fixes to junk standards.
Thats the question, with todays computerized lists, decades of state and federal informants, interconnected fusion centres and war hardened troops all that you need is flimsy legality of local door to door searches.
A knock on the door to surrender all now listed 'illegal' hardware. A truck waiting for a drive to a local reeducation camp would be quick solution for many.
Any people not understanding the lawful request to comply would be re interviewed and their complex views taken into consideration by teams with different skills.
At a later time flat empty blocks of land will become available at affordable prices for redevelopment with local tax breaks. The past owners having moved away during difficult economic times a few years ago...
A few different groups tried that with very skilled lawyers and had some success. http://www.freedomwatchusa.org...
The problem now is a new legal limbo - you can have all the Fourth Amendment you want but NSA color of law efforts have ensured your US domestic/international network use fair game.
Your legal protections cannot be weakened, removed and still stand but the NSA seems to have ensured no timely legal remedy from a vast long term illegal domestic surveillance network.
Many people saw a vast illegal domestic surveillance network forming as a US digital Berlin Wall and hoped they would end up the west with court rulings. With US legal indifference to an illegal domestic surveillance network and no firm legal support on the Fourth Amendment: welcome to the new legal selective, color of law side of US history.
You have a some very old royal bloodlines that tried interesting ways to keep 'pure'.
You had some very smart, wealthy bloodlines that tried interesting ways to keep in their structure close and preserve/enhance expected positive traits.
You now have a few faiths and cults who dont mix very much and shame/demand their communities stay very local:)
Over generations you see a few hints at really rare, diverse medical conditions become more common and needing longterm care and medical experts.
Re Would Mr. Snowden receive the same respect and adoration
Yes as US gov protections in place for just such legal events eg safe from US gov surveillance without a warrant.
If you see the US Constitution protections been removed via color of law efforts you have the duty, right and responsibility to bring such facts to the US publics attention.
The US political and legal system can then correct the legal issues.
The US legal issues raised by Snowden are easy to understand in an open court by most legal professionals and the wider public. http://www.freedomwatchusa.org...
Months after Snowden US warrantless reality is uncovered:
"NSA performed warrantless searches on Americans' calls and emails – Clapper" (2 April 2014) http://www.theguardian.com/wor...
The main issue for "understanding" is that the entire US copper and optical telco hardware is surveillance friendly.
Another issue for "understanding" is that the entire US copper and optical telco software layer is surveillance friendly.
Another issue for "understanding" is that encryption standards are junk - the US gov gets back to plain text, ex staff get back too, other countries get back to plain text, so can their ex staff and people who can pay them...
People are finally understanding the entire structure of their telecommunications network is really like "ENIGMA" version 10? 50? in the 1960,1970, 1980, 1900's --2000 and beyond. Lots of new fancy digital "rotors" to sell but its all back to plain text in real time over decades.
So today people are finally looking at the origins of TCP/IP and wondering how it was shaped, set as a standard and promoted.
Expect skilled academics to start going over ever historic telco layer and many common encryption standard too.
The German kill ratio was always amazing due to their skills at training the small units to swap roles and keep the fire rate up with good weapon systems. Their tank crews where also well trained even without 'real' tanks in the 1930's. The supply line issue and complex mechanical designs also took a toll on German forces. Fuel would arrive but no ammo or parts. If parts did arrive you needed local expert workshop like conditions while been at war. If you got your tank repaired you then faced a loss of fuel or ammo supplies and no air cover or flak..
Over many battles just getting working tanks with fuel and ammo became very difficult for Germany. The US tanks where less complex, had huge production line like repair support with parts just waiting. The lack of good design in UK and US tanks ensured a poor combat experience but numbers lost vs Germany resupply ensured victory..
The US mil took home a lot of new ideas about engineering, design and training - not ready for Korea but later showed a total change in outlook and new "German' methods.
Yes much more was slowly entering the history books. Germany broke some interesting US and UK codes at different times but always lost its easy way in due to UK upgrades. The US was lost in its own world with the Army and Navy working on Japan as different teams early on. US codes where often old, badly used. Italy made some great human efforts too. The UK was really the master, breaking most of the diverse 1920-30's European countires code efforts and learning from what their spies well placed where feeding back to their respective govs. Russia seemed to have some well placed spies in Germany but no real luck with Enigma. Finland, Poland, France also had some amazing people beyond the Enigma efforts.
Some great historical reading at http://chris-intel-corner.blog... fills in the gaps many WW2 'books' just never get to or where not allowed to mention.
The US and UK where able to pick up a lot of skilled experts before, during and after WW2 - easy papers for many top staff at just the right time.
The real fear most authors seem to face is that the NSA and GCHQ did not want a wider group of crypto experts and academics understanding the ability to gather most of Germany and Japans codes in realtime. After WW2 the funding mix was difficult in the US and UK but the vision was the same - get everything in realtime.
Re "But, the US Russian space cooperation was first initiated as a sign of good will."
The deal between the US and Russia about space was a pact that both sides really needed.
The US could keep expert Russian skills in Russia and away from Brazil, China, India and other very well educated emerging space nations.
Russia got to keep its best staff with generational skills that would be costly to have to re create decades later - stay with funding in Russia and could pass their skills on to next generations. Working with complex metals and other materials took decades to get to a production stage.
As for "sanctions" try and understand the German view of its energy needs and exports:
"German Executives Denounce EU/US Leaders Over Russia Confrontation" http://www.zerohedge.com/news/...
In countries with less debt, real exports, real jobs, real energy needs and real growth - they do not have the luxury to be been seen "in front ".
Its seems like different factions of contractors (interesting backgrounds, citizenships), varied control over US gov/mil ranks and location allowed for legal advice outside the expected: Request more FBI experts who could help, wanted to help and had years of real US legal expertise.
Many nations tried hard to move beyond legal torture after the 1975 ++ Helsinki Accords. In 2014 the final US gov reports will be historically interesting when released.
The US is been careful with words in other ways too
"....says that the DoD termed those involved in interrogation "safety officers" rather than doctors. "
"CIA made doctors torture suspected terrorists after 9/11, taskforce finds" (4 November 2013) http://www.theguardian.com/wor...
Also see the Task Force on Psychological Ethics and National Security (PENS)
That was the long issue of tension between the NSA and GCHQ. The UK wanted it all kept very much out anything public: no books, no news, no helping sealed courts and no scientific review.
The NSA seems to have more of a story to share to ensure standing and funding in the USA - they needed winning press to out flank other aspects of the US mil and gov getting material to political leaders.
The UK saw great harm in hinting at a global domestic and international surveillance networks - i.e. seamless tracking within the UK and around the world.
The US view saw no escape from surveillance so why not use the material in domestic courts via parallel construction, lock box of all calls over a lifetime, weak domestic oversight.
Re how do you know this.
Think back to how many firms had total control over emerging telco standards and the UK and US gov deep interest in emerging export/domestic standards crypto - Clipper, Public Key Cryptography. Key Recovery and the few very public legal cases.
Then nothing, you could just have it all...
Then Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) ensured US crypto law enforcement hardware access as a world wide standard as to not hurt US telco exports.
Then nothing, you could have even more new devices/software with very few limits...
Many bought into some review of public and private standards for crypto. The idea that no brand would risk its image with weak crypto, political leaders would not risk their nations science standards trust, the press would find out, lawyers would find out, experts doing deep reviews would find out.
The fact the US gov and UK gov gave up on crypto export laws was telling. Then Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) was telling.
A generation of experts trusted in the skills of their peers to review cryptography and now everybody can understand where the maths left us and gov moved in.
Just as a set of trusted computer brands where shown to be of interest to the US gov via Prism and many other efforts, expect the same for many trusted telco brands in the 1970's or emerging in the 1980's.
The long decades old idea is the same - plain text will emerge - via junk encryption, via a software layer, or hardware layer. The only trick is getting the public to buy now "cheap" hardware from trusted brands globally.
"agrees to it or likes it" is kind of hard to work via German telcos without local support. Long term its down to the elected political leaders of Germany to ponder their exports role.
As for other "exporters" you may recall http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L... or
Domestic audiences in the EU want their value added high skilled export jobs. They are tired of seeing their very public expensive trade missions return empty handed.
The production is done via just in time in ~Asia with long complex cheap supply chains.
The only aspect to "avoiding spiraling costs" would be with very skilled US staff who could move up between brands until wages matched the staff real value.
Smart new firms will find staff anywhere else. Older firms will be left with trapped staff worried about their wages and prospects vs been productive.
Guilds, serfdom and indentured workers have all be tried. If you cant keep staff, perhaps the best staff know next gen growth is difficult with living on gov contracts and advertising via safe expected product lines.
Slashdot Mirror
Expect to see a lot more stories like this ie "Availability of Public Diplomacy Program Material Within the United States"
Most of this kind of news was run by the US gov around the world but not for US domestic consumption.
The limits on this kind of gov backed PR, spin within the US ie the Smith-Mundt Act are now lifted.
The sock puppets and public diplomacy types will be flooding US news sites with this kind of material as stories and then shaping comments.
https://www.federalregister.go...
Windows 9.1 Update?
Re AC Citation needed. about the "This is less rigged and better regulated."
"The Vampire Squid Strikes Again: The Mega Banks' Most Devious Scam Yet" (Feb 12, 2014)
http://www.rollingstone.com/po...
Everything Is Rigged: The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever (April 25, 2013)
http://www.rollingstone.com/po...
an easy understand insight into the aspect of the average person having a equal go.
Re Has anyone, anywhere, seen an instance where a move like this actually works out well?
Think of the banana republic model and the way the USA looked after South and Central America over many decades.
Experts arrived, products and services where imported, the raw materials where exported and local wages kept down.
Shareholders in the US got to enjoy generational wealth and their `"trust" funds grew.
The system works great, you just have to adjust to the role of seasonal shanty town worker or at best an on call technician - local middle class engineering is just too costly in todays networked world.
Its happens in a lot of US sectors from mil to computers to support.
You set up a 100% US based firm to lobby for and sign off on US work, all the US legal needs, US contracting, US academic. State/federal US requirements are met.
At the back end is massive complex reality of a 24/7 cost saving outsourcing/offshoring service.
A massive reduction in US costs, a massive flow of long term cash out of the US for decades services all via a 100% Made in the USA success story.
Hi jon,
How safe are Perfect Forward Security (PFS) and other "per-session" encryption keys from this mess? Thanks
Re even qualified to implement protocols like this. Thats a very interesting point. How many have their tools of the trade via a top university settings and a security clearance option and dependant funding.
Once you start down the math path the classes get smaller and fewer stay for needed years vs lure of private sector telco or unrelated software work.
Most nations really do produce very few with the skills and keep them very happy.
Trips, low level staff to help, good funding, guidance, friendships all just seem to fall into place.
Bringing work home and helping open source could be seen as been an issue later vs students or team members who did open source games or made apps.
Re how did nobody else find out about this until now?
The same reason NATO and other US allies did not understand the NSA Martin and Mitchell defection http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M... in 1960 with the press conference saying:
"As we know from our previous experience working at N.S.A., the United States successfully reads the secure communications of more than forty nations, including its own allies."
Embassies, govs and firms went on using the same junk standard crypto hardware over decades of revisions. Some even got to re read their own secure embassy communications 'leaked' to the Western press.
There seems to be something missing on the story of gov, staff and developers when it comes to crypto products.
Skilled EU gov experts handing their own political leaders broken crypto that 5++ other nations can break seems too good to be true over generations.
Junk in the hardware decades, junk in the software decades all for speed, interoperability and after a good sales pitch?
Or a lot of skilled people around the world know and just tell their respective govs to bait the junk communications networks until US political leaders speak out.
Re How do you propose to separate them? Offense and defense are not really two separate things; if you can do one, you can do the other.
Think back to past presidents views on parts of the the US intelligence community.
JKF had is views on the CIA after the Bay of pigs.
Rockefeller Commission, Church Committee, Pike Committee, Murphy Commission, the Select Committee on Intelligence and the Directorate of Operations events in 1977. The domestic activities, human experimentation issues and need for a ban on assassinations all became public. The CIA changed to technical collection removing a lot of staff.
Then you had joys of the Iran-Contra Affair then onto Intelligence Authorization Act.
The NSA could face the same path due to the loud, public domestic activities around U.S. citizens and persons with U.S. permanent residence. A return to its classic quiet support role around the world vs its new emerging need to play a role or say in offensive direct action roles.
The GCHQ had it right - stay hidden, build a vast tech, political and staff foundation going back generations and never comment on very much.
Recall the end of the Clipper conversations the US gov had with the public over role of US code experts and US exports?
In the end it seemed you could have any crypto you wanted at any price or for free....
The "separate" has to come back to protecting U.S. citizens from a vast life long domestic spying program and global junk US crypto standards.
It really depends on the end game for *you*. :)
Client data might be used for "full spectrum" efforts e.g. propaganda, deception, mass messaging, pushing stories, spoofing, alias development or psychology.
i.e. the service you use is weekend.
The other aspect is how many groups knew of this crypto trick? The US and just a few friendly govs, their staff, their contractors and any ex staff or staff open to faith or cash needs.
Just another way in
http://www.businessweek.com/ar...
Re " both models have advantages and disadvantages depending on what the product is, the size of its market, the type of market, etc. and sometimes those advantages can't even be realised" ... just like you did the first few times...
The problem with a closed source effort is what we saw with Prism http://www.theguardian.com/wor...
The legal system and dev staff stay with the closed source product.
With open source code - when an issue is found days, months, years later it can be corrected, fully understood and fed back into further world wide crypto education.
The other option is to trust known weakened corporate encryption over many new versions and have faith in their legal teams
The other emerging aspect is that of US National Security Letters (NSL) for ongoing bulk collection 'efforts' vs a more global open source code.
After Snowden many more people will be looking at crypto, with open source code someone might be able to offer reviewed, tested fixes to junk standards.
Thats the question, with todays computerized lists, decades of state and federal informants, interconnected fusion centres and war hardened troops all that you need is flimsy legality of local door to door searches.
A knock on the door to surrender all now listed 'illegal' hardware. A truck waiting for a drive to a local reeducation camp would be quick solution for many.
Any people not understanding the lawful request to comply would be re interviewed and their complex views taken into consideration by teams with different skills.
At a later time flat empty blocks of land will become available at affordable prices for redevelopment with local tax breaks.
The past owners having moved away during difficult economic times a few years ago...
A few different groups tried that with very skilled lawyers and had some success.
http://www.freedomwatchusa.org...
The problem now is a new legal limbo - you can have all the Fourth Amendment you want but NSA color of law efforts have ensured your US domestic/international network use fair game.
Your legal protections cannot be weakened, removed and still stand but the NSA seems to have ensured no timely legal remedy from a vast long term illegal domestic surveillance network.
Many people saw a vast illegal domestic surveillance network forming as a US digital Berlin Wall and hoped they would end up the west with court rulings.
With US legal indifference to an illegal domestic surveillance network and no firm legal support on the Fourth Amendment: welcome to the new legal selective, color of law side of US history.
You have a some very old royal bloodlines that tried interesting ways to keep 'pure'. :)
You had some very smart, wealthy bloodlines that tried interesting ways to keep in their structure close and preserve/enhance expected positive traits.
You now have a few faiths and cults who dont mix very much and shame/demand their communities stay very local
Over generations you see a few hints at really rare, diverse medical conditions become more common and needing longterm care and medical experts.
Re Would Mr. Snowden receive the same respect and adoration
Yes as US gov protections in place for just such legal events eg safe from US gov surveillance without a warrant.
If you see the US Constitution protections been removed via color of law efforts you have the duty, right and responsibility to bring such facts to the US publics attention.
The US political and legal system can then correct the legal issues.
The US legal issues raised by Snowden are easy to understand in an open court by most legal professionals and the wider public.
http://www.freedomwatchusa.org...
Months after Snowden US warrantless reality is uncovered:
"NSA performed warrantless searches on Americans' calls and emails – Clapper" (2 April 2014)
http://www.theguardian.com/wor...
The main issue for "understanding" is that the entire US copper and optical telco hardware is surveillance friendly.
Another issue for "understanding" is that the entire US copper and optical telco software layer is surveillance friendly.
Another issue for "understanding" is that encryption standards are junk - the US gov gets back to plain text, ex staff get back too, other countries get back to plain text, so can their ex staff and people who can pay them...
People are finally understanding the entire structure of their telecommunications network is really like "ENIGMA" version 10? 50? in the 1960,1970, 1980, 1900's --2000 and beyond. Lots of new fancy digital "rotors" to sell but its all back to plain text in real time over decades.
So today people are finally looking at the origins of TCP/IP and wondering how it was shaped, set as a standard and promoted.
Expect skilled academics to start going over ever historic telco layer and many common encryption standard too.
The German kill ratio was always amazing due to their skills at training the small units to swap roles and keep the fire rate up with good weapon systems. Their tank crews where also well trained even without 'real' tanks in the 1930's. The supply line issue and complex mechanical designs also took a toll on German forces. Fuel would arrive but no ammo or parts. If parts did arrive you needed local expert workshop like conditions while been at war. If you got your tank repaired you then faced a loss of fuel or ammo supplies and no air cover or flak..
Over many battles just getting working tanks with fuel and ammo became very difficult for Germany. The US tanks where less complex, had huge production line like repair support with parts just waiting. The lack of good design in UK and US tanks ensured a poor combat experience but numbers lost vs Germany resupply ensured victory..
The US mil took home a lot of new ideas about engineering, design and training - not ready for Korea but later showed a total change in outlook and new "German' methods.
Yes much more was slowly entering the history books. Germany broke some interesting US and UK codes at different times but always lost its easy way in due to UK upgrades.
The US was lost in its own world with the Army and Navy working on Japan as different teams early on. US codes where often old, badly used. Italy made some great human efforts too.
The UK was really the master, breaking most of the diverse 1920-30's European countires code efforts and learning from what their spies well placed where feeding back to their respective govs. Russia seemed to have some well placed spies in Germany but no real luck with Enigma. Finland, Poland, France also had some amazing people beyond the Enigma efforts.
Some great historical reading at http://chris-intel-corner.blog... fills in the gaps many WW2 'books' just never get to or where not allowed to mention.
The US and UK where able to pick up a lot of skilled experts before, during and after WW2 - easy papers for many top staff at just the right time.
The real fear most authors seem to face is that the NSA and GCHQ did not want a wider group of crypto experts and academics understanding the ability to gather most of Germany and Japans codes in realtime. After WW2 the funding mix was difficult in the US and UK but the vision was the same - get everything in realtime.
Re "But, the US Russian space cooperation was first initiated as a sign of good will." The deal between the US and Russia about space was a pact that both sides really needed.
The US could keep expert Russian skills in Russia and away from Brazil, China, India and other very well educated emerging space nations.
Russia got to keep its best staff with generational skills that would be costly to have to re create decades later - stay with funding in Russia and could pass their skills on to next generations.
Working with complex metals and other materials took decades to get to a production stage.
As for "sanctions" try and understand the German view of its energy needs and exports:
"German Executives Denounce EU/US Leaders Over Russia Confrontation"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/...
In countries with less debt, real exports, real jobs, real energy needs and real growth - they do not have the luxury to be been seen "in front ".
Its seems like different factions of contractors (interesting backgrounds, citizenships), varied control over US gov/mil ranks and location allowed for legal advice outside the expected:
Request more FBI experts who could help, wanted to help and had years of real US legal expertise.
Many nations tried hard to move beyond legal torture after the 1975 ++ Helsinki Accords. In 2014 the final US gov reports will be historically interesting when released.
The US is been careful with words in other ways too
"....says that the DoD termed those involved in interrogation "safety officers" rather than doctors. "
"CIA made doctors torture suspected terrorists after 9/11, taskforce finds" (4 November 2013)
http://www.theguardian.com/wor...
Also see the Task Force on Psychological Ethics and National Security (PENS)
That was the long issue of tension between the NSA and GCHQ. The UK wanted it all kept very much out anything public: no books, no news, no helping sealed courts and no scientific review.
The NSA seems to have more of a story to share to ensure standing and funding in the USA - they needed winning press to out flank other aspects of the US mil and gov getting material to political leaders.
The UK saw great harm in hinting at a global domestic and international surveillance networks - i.e. seamless tracking within the UK and around the world.
The US view saw no escape from surveillance so why not use the material in domestic courts via parallel construction, lock box of all calls over a lifetime, weak domestic oversight.
Re how do you know this.
Think back to how many firms had total control over emerging telco standards and the UK and US gov deep interest in emerging export/domestic standards crypto - Clipper, Public Key Cryptography. Key Recovery and the few very public legal cases.
Then nothing, you could just have it all...
Then Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) ensured US crypto law enforcement hardware access as a world wide standard as to not hurt US telco exports.
Then nothing, you could have even more new devices/software with very few limits... Many bought into some review of public and private standards for crypto. The idea that no brand would risk its image with weak crypto, political leaders would not risk their nations science standards trust, the press would find out, lawyers would find out, experts doing deep reviews would find out.
The fact the US gov and UK gov gave up on crypto export laws was telling. Then Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) was telling.
A generation of experts trusted in the skills of their peers to review cryptography and now everybody can understand where the maths left us and gov moved in.
Just as a set of trusted computer brands where shown to be of interest to the US gov via Prism and many other efforts, expect the same for many trusted telco brands in the 1970's or emerging in the 1980's.
The long decades old idea is the same - plain text will emerge - via junk encryption, via a software layer, or hardware layer. The only trick is getting the public to buy now "cheap" hardware from trusted brands globally.
Re: WHY DO THEY GO ON RECORD
If you make a fuss you join
"Only One Big Telecom CEO Refused To Give The NSA The Access It Wanted... And He's Been In Jail For 4 Years"
http://www.businessinsider.com...
Former CEO Says U.S. Punished Phone Firm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...
NSA Domestic Surveillance Began 7 Months Before 9/11, Convicted Qwest CEO Claims
http://www.wired.com/2007/10/n...
"agrees to it or likes it" is kind of hard to work via German telcos without local support. Long term its down to the elected political leaders of Germany to ponder their exports role.
As for other "exporters" you may recall http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L... or
Domestic audiences in the EU want their value added high skilled export jobs. They are tired of seeing their very public expensive trade missions return empty handed.
The production is done via just in time in ~Asia with long complex cheap supply chains.
The only aspect to "avoiding spiraling costs" would be with very skilled US staff who could move up between brands until wages matched the staff real value.
Smart new firms will find staff anywhere else. Older firms will be left with trapped staff worried about their wages and prospects vs been productive.
Guilds, serfdom and indentured workers have all be tried. If you cant keep staff, perhaps the best staff know next gen growth is difficult with living on gov contracts and advertising via safe expected product lines.