ASIO is a bit like the DHS/FBI/CIA - public, will show a badge, sit down with you, talk about that huge new paid in cash export order or made the tax issues go away if you inform on your friends, track people of interest, background investigations for.gov staff. All very in the day to day, in the light for a spook agency.
If you make it up to ASIS your in more trouble. Their 1950's founding, training and ongoing missions are much more secret. They work with Australian special forces as tourists around the world, under cover and had permission to kill until the early 1980's (a bit after Vietnam ended;) ).
Think ~DIA or other US groups outside the more public CIA.
I think your right. Cement might have been expensive and needed some extra cash to "arrive on time"...
So the question might have been...
Standard? Above spec? Mil spec?
25 years they might need a bigger airport, have more cash, make changes - do it standard.
Now 2nd and 3rd world infrastructure looks good...
Or someone did not find the max/min temps and 'saved' some cash.
Yes they have a few options. The classic one is to use a state charge, get you to call in a good lawyer, spend up on bail - then as your about to walk out of the jail complex, the feds arrest you. Your funds are drained and you spend a few days on the move around the federal system out of contact with your family and away from any legal team.
You are then found again and a one time offer is made:)
This will get interesting for the USA. Free his funds and he has a great legal team, if not be becomes a martyr/cause celebre.
Map out the bus stops and have a car with some form of smartphone box reaching out to all that pass by.
Think back to the Bluetooth efforts with a properly tuned antenna.
A few seconds to test for a new, old and very open phone.
Depends if you feel that your carpark might on average have a rep or legal or sales person drop a usb stick.
Better to pick it up, have it looked at than someone take it home or for a stranger to find it.
A http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A for data out of Malaysia?
If you map out private US telco and top provides you see a lot of strange loops and distant over provided hardware.
He is liked in the UK and this would put a spotlight on the US/UK one sided "name/on a jet" treaty.
Sweden isn't out to "rendition him or extradite" but has a lot more to lose from the USA.
Pressure from the USA on Sweden can be very unique, well hidden and would hit Sweden hard.
Sweden has invested most of the cold war years sucking up the USA and it got real results.
The USA can say 'no' to more signals intelligence help at anytime and put Sweden on an untrusted nation list. That is why Sweden a huge legal risk for Assange.
The Embassy limo with a flag idea can be blocked in practice vs the territory ideal.
Two Dutch Embassy cars where stopped and four Chilean students removed during the Pinochet era in Santiago. Surround the car, pull the person out.
All you have to do is note something about "armed extremists" and make sure no political asylum was asked for;)
It depends how useful MI6 sees a limited hangout with neat long term press/human rights 'stories' vs the need for the US to have Assange in a US court.
"But Mr Dent, the opt-in option has been available via a link from your settings page for the last nine months."
"Oh yes, well as soon as I found out I logged in to see it, yesterday afternoon. You hadn't exactly gone out of your way to call attention to it, had you? I mean, like actually telling anybody or anything."
"But the opt-in option was on display..."
"On display? I eventually had to go download java to display it."
"That's the website department."
"With.net and ActiveX"
"Ah, well your OS had probably missed an update."
"So had the site."
"But look, you found the option didn't you?"
"Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on site in the bottom of an encrypted page stuck in a disused directory with a banner on the page saying 'Beware of the.....
What this does it makes it nice and legal as you signed your privacy away when you stayed with the service:)
Australia has many very well trained lawyers. Sealed courts with ASIO intercept material are noticed by family, community and at a legal/media level - word gets out fast.
Terms like book chapter, hammer, hard drive, raid may not tell you much about what was, but people get an idea.
Now if your data flows to the USA and you allowed it to be searched for common words, jargon, complex strings, known evil user ID's on messengers services...
Any FBI, state, long term investigation makes you fair game. Expect a visit from the Australian Attorney-General’s Department with a sledgehammer for computer “cleansing” activities and much more...
No ASIO in sight, no assistance, no inquiry, none of that Inspector-General of Intelligence/Security Act 1986 mess... just you and your searching and a big helpful Australian telco.
The filter will be massive, hit and miss and need 24/7 support.
Doing it via the USA gives them a huge instant well understood database, political cover and brand cover, less local security clearances, legal costs.
If a dentist or travel agent is blocked they be can un blocked and a "sorry, third party, its new, its our first year filtering... see we fixed it fast "
Mix in the legal national security dream of all Australian search texts magically been lopped to the US, it brings in a big thanks from other parts of the USA gov.
If your in the US, understand Testra as a Bell like creature, big is good, working with another big brand is great.
The final nice part is its all legal and opens the door for other.com/telco branding/looping/cloud efforts beyond a filer.
All your data going to the US was fine with the filter now enjoy some ads, try some music, try some movies, try some shopping...
Extra costs for the luxury value adding for every user, less new local hardware, no messy Australian laws, buying into cheaper US clouds....
The USA was also upset that Australia did not want to send data to the US for legal and ping/distance reasons. This would be one way to show Australia likes the USA and cool any US efforts to 'make' or 'punish' Australia/Australian telcos for not using/trusting US cloud offerings.
The older people in most groups have be turned at some stage and are free but owned for life, are active undercover assets or can be turned before arrests. http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/04/18/patriot_games hints at larger undercover operations in the 1990's surrounding groups in the USA. Infiltration, undercover agents and informants. Go back to the 1960's - no peace or rights group in the community was going to be active without a file.
The idea that the internet was not going to get the same careful monitoring seems to be based on the hardware needed.
They just need to bait people with a good story and well meaning site. Skills and names drift in. New informants created, a show trial and promotions enjoyed.
Parts where made in the UK, US for the mil, people leaving the mil, gov where selling their unique skills....
South Korea, Japan, other parts of SE Asia where all setting up to supply the world as good, safe, cheaper, trusted non communist production zones as needed.
The US got smarter and went one cheaper - China - lol all the way to the bank.
The deal was done under Nixon, it just took a while for the average person to understand role of communist production zones while not liking communist Russia.....
Japan was the only threat with RAM and the skills to write a useful OS.
US free trade deals killed that.
Re "Citation needed if you want to be taken seriously."
Try putting TRC-170, Canada into Google.
In theory you should find pmddtc.state.gov/compliance/consent_agreements/Raytheon.htm
It would have been the perfect storm for MI6. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/06/the-seven-highly-productive-habits-of-alan-turing/
Would the 1933 letter "Anti-War Council. "Politically rather communist. Its programme is principally to organize strikes amongst munitions and chemical workers when government intends to go to war."" point to a group of UK gov interest?
Years later after ww2 would members be of interest again?
A man packed with the real history of ww2 travelling around Europe chatting with new friends....
His skill where no longer vital but what he could pass on would have been of some interest to Russia.
Thats what people seem to forget.
You have computers in a nuclear plant been messed with.
This opens the legal door for anyone one to really do anything they like to any system in any country *if* they feel like it.
Water, power, billing, banking...any factory - its all nice and 'legal' now.
As for "reputation" look what parts of South America, the UK, South Africa, East Germany, the Soviet Union, the USA did with their 'freedom fighters' special forces and 'revolutionaries' around the world.
Thats that I was thinking too, you get the complex and bloated updates - then have them used at a later time.
No sitting with your adsl maxed out doing 20 mins of new updates.
In Canada they pay extra for terms like Long live free Quebec, De Gaulle, Long live Montreal, Quebec sovereignty, The October Crisis and any hint of a new Quebec Liberation Front.
No, most pasts of the world left this to university networks, private isp's, botnets, telcos/banks with backdoors over a short time...
Their security services could be running many legal compromised savants, gangs, political groups - but it was always a distant, deniable, criminal or just hijinks.
This is new in its directness.
Like the legality of Sputnik in orbit over 'your' airspace, it opens a new area to weaponise.
Today "power plants", soon the billing/pension/social security systems? Add or remove 20% with direct debit/deposit in some parts of the world?
If a country votes the wrong way in the UN? Make the sitting gov fall with a wave of cyber "thingy"?
Slashdot Mirror
ASIO is a bit like the DHS/FBI/CIA - public, will show a badge, sit down with you, talk about that huge new paid in cash export order or made the tax issues go away if you inform on your friends, track people of interest, background investigations for .gov staff. All very in the day to day, in the light for a spook agency. ;) ).
If you make it up to ASIS your in more trouble. Their 1950's founding, training and ongoing missions are much more secret. They work with Australian special forces as tourists around the world, under cover and had permission to kill until the early 1980's (a bit after Vietnam ended
Think ~DIA or other US groups outside the more public CIA.
I think your right. Cement might have been expensive and needed some extra cash to "arrive on time"... ...
So the question might have been
Standard? Above spec? Mil spec?
25 years they might need a bigger airport, have more cash, make changes - do it standard.
Now 2nd and 3rd world infrastructure looks good...
Or someone did not find the max/min temps and 'saved' some cash.
Yes they have a few options. The classic one is to use a state charge, get you to call in a good lawyer, spend up on bail - then as your about to walk out of the jail complex, the feds arrest you. Your funds are drained and you spend a few days on the move around the federal system out of contact with your family and away from any legal team. :)
You are then found again and a one time offer is made
This will get interesting for the USA. Free his funds and he has a great legal team, if not be becomes a martyr/cause celebre.
Map out the bus stops and have a car with some form of smartphone box reaching out to all that pass by.
Think back to the Bluetooth efforts with a properly tuned antenna. A few seconds to test for a new, old and very open phone.
Depends if you feel that your carpark might on average have a rep or legal or sales person drop a usb stick.
Better to pick it up, have it looked at than someone take it home or for a stranger to find it.
A http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A for data out of Malaysia?
If you map out private US telco and top provides you see a lot of strange loops and distant over provided hardware.
He is liked in the UK and this would put a spotlight on the US/UK one sided "name/on a jet" treaty.
Sweden isn't out to "rendition him or extradite" but has a lot more to lose from the USA.
Pressure from the USA on Sweden can be very unique, well hidden and would hit Sweden hard.
Sweden has invested most of the cold war years sucking up the USA and it got real results.
The USA can say 'no' to more signals intelligence help at anytime and put Sweden on an untrusted nation list. That is why Sweden a huge legal risk for Assange.
The Embassy limo with a flag idea can be blocked in practice vs the territory ideal. ;)
Two Dutch Embassy cars where stopped and four Chilean students removed during the Pinochet era in Santiago. Surround the car, pull the person out.
All you have to do is note something about "armed extremists" and make sure no political asylum was asked for
It depends how useful MI6 sees a limited hangout with neat long term press/human rights 'stories' vs the need for the US to have Assange in a US court.
"But Mr Dent, the opt-in option has been available via a link from your settings page for the last nine months." ..." .net and ActiveX" .....
"Oh yes, well as soon as I found out I logged in to see it, yesterday afternoon. You hadn't exactly gone out of your way to call attention to it, had you? I mean, like actually telling anybody or anything."
"But the opt-in option was on display
"On display? I eventually had to go download java to display it."
"That's the website department."
"With
"Ah, well your OS had probably missed an update."
"So had the site."
"But look, you found the option didn't you?"
"Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on site in the bottom of an encrypted page stuck in a disused directory with a banner on the page saying 'Beware of the
What this does it makes it nice and legal as you signed your privacy away when you stayed with the service :)
Australia has many very well trained lawyers. Sealed courts with ASIO intercept material are noticed by family, community and at a legal/media level - word gets out fast.
Terms like book chapter, hammer, hard drive, raid may not tell you much about what was, but people get an idea.
Now if your data flows to the USA and you allowed it to be searched for common words, jargon, complex strings, known evil user ID's on messengers services...
Any FBI, state, long term investigation makes you fair game. Expect a visit from the Australian Attorney-General’s Department with a sledgehammer for computer “cleansing” activities and much more...
No ASIO in sight, no assistance, no inquiry, none of that Inspector-General of Intelligence/Security Act 1986 mess... just you and your searching and a big helpful Australian telco.
The filter will be massive, hit and miss and need 24/7 support. .com/telco branding/looping/cloud efforts beyond a filer.
Doing it via the USA gives them a huge instant well understood database, political cover and brand cover, less local security clearances, legal costs.
If a dentist or travel agent is blocked they be can un blocked and a "sorry, third party, its new, its our first year filtering... see we fixed it fast "
Mix in the legal national security dream of all Australian search texts magically been lopped to the US, it brings in a big thanks from other parts of the USA gov.
If your in the US, understand Testra as a Bell like creature, big is good, working with another big brand is great.
The final nice part is its all legal and opens the door for other
All your data going to the US was fine with the filter now enjoy some ads, try some music, try some movies, try some shopping...
Extra costs for the luxury value adding for every user, less new local hardware, no messy Australian laws, buying into cheaper US clouds....
The USA was also upset that Australia did not want to send data to the US for legal and ping/distance reasons. This would be one way to show Australia likes the USA and cool any US efforts to 'make' or 'punish' Australia/Australian telcos for not using/trusting US cloud offerings.
The older people in most groups have be turned at some stage and are free but owned for life, are active undercover assets or can be turned before arrests.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/04/18/patriot_games hints at larger undercover operations in the 1990's surrounding groups in the USA. Infiltration, undercover agents and informants. Go back to the 1960's - no peace or rights group in the community was going to be active without a file.
The idea that the internet was not going to get the same careful monitoring seems to be based on the hardware needed.
They just need to bait people with a good story and well meaning site. Skills and names drift in. New informants created, a show trial and promotions enjoyed.
Parts where made in the UK, US for the mil, people leaving the mil, gov where selling their unique skills....
South Korea, Japan, other parts of SE Asia where all setting up to supply the world as good, safe, cheaper, trusted non communist production zones as needed.
The US got smarter and went one cheaper - China - lol all the way to the bank.
The deal was done under Nixon, it just took a while for the average person to understand role of communist production zones while not liking communist Russia.....
Japan was the only threat with RAM and the skills to write a useful OS.
US free trade deals killed that.
Re "Citation needed if you want to be taken seriously."
Try putting TRC-170, Canada into Google.
In theory you should find
pmddtc.state.gov/compliance/consent_agreements/Raytheon.htm
It would have been the perfect storm for MI6. ....
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/06/the-seven-highly-productive-habits-of-alan-turing/
Would the 1933 letter "Anti-War Council. "Politically rather communist. Its programme is principally to organize strikes amongst munitions and chemical workers when government intends to go to war."" point to a group of UK gov interest?
Years later after ww2 would members be of interest again?
A man packed with the real history of ww2 travelling around Europe chatting with new friends
His skill where no longer vital but what he could pass on would have been of some interest to Russia.
Thats what people seem to forget.
You have computers in a nuclear plant been messed with.
This opens the legal door for anyone one to really do anything they like to any system in any country *if* they feel like it.
Water, power, billing, banking...any factory - its all nice and 'legal' now.
As for "reputation" look what parts of South America, the UK, South Africa, East Germany, the Soviet Union, the USA did with their 'freedom fighters' special forces and 'revolutionaries' around the world.
Thats that I was thinking too, you get the complex and bloated updates - then have them used at a later time.
No sitting with your adsl maxed out doing 20 mins of new updates.
A few gigs of updates on a dvd at work/edu/city vs a few hours of downloads on your broadband suburban adsl @ a few 100k?
If a lot of popular sites where to pop up a reminder about what the users isp likes to do.... every time they visit...
In Canada they pay extra for terms like Long live free Quebec, De Gaulle, Long live Montreal, Quebec sovereignty, The October Crisis and any hint of a new Quebec Liberation Front.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/17/technology/acxiom-the-quiet-giant-of-consumer-database-marketing.html?_r=1
An easy read about what you can do with 50 trillion data “transactions” a year.
Facebook buys a facial recognition system.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18506255
No, most pasts of the world left this to university networks, private isp's, botnets, telcos/banks with backdoors over a short time...
Their security services could be running many legal compromised savants, gangs, political groups - but it was always a distant, deniable, criminal or just hijinks.
This is new in its directness.
Like the legality of Sputnik in orbit over 'your' airspace, it opens a new area to weaponise.
Today "power plants", soon the billing/pension/social security systems? Add or remove 20% with direct debit/deposit in some parts of the world?
If a country votes the wrong way in the UN? Make the sitting gov fall with a wave of cyber "thingy"?
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/06/israeli-spies-want-credit-stuxnet/53354/ :)
Others want their expertise to rank with the NSA it seems