"Who's going to clean the vomit and other crap out of these autonomous public cars"
How about the car takes a before/after pic of itself. If it is found to be dirty then the last user is charged a $250 cleanup fee. Then the car is routed to a place to hose it down. 3 offences and the user is banned from the service for a year. 3 more and they are banned for life. Problem solved!
"They will always have my business because it will be a cold day in hell before I'll let a computer drive me around."
What if insurance companies use data that shows you are 500 times more likely to have an accident when you are driving than an computer with faster response times, communicating with other vehicles, always alert, and using 20+ sensors? And what if insurance for your autonomous car is $100/year but insurance for you in your "500+ horsepower, six speed Mustang 302R" is $50,000 per year?
In reality, that will be what drives people away from driving themselves.
"the public might think they are an 'invasion of privacy.'"
The issue could be the fact that there are over 1000 in the Seattle area alone. I suspect many people wouldn't care if they had 5 watching known terrorists. Those same people may not be as comfortable if they knew there was one on nearly every major street corner.
"If just 1 person in the room had a gun, or if the bar had bothered to hire security, this wouldn't have happened....."
Pure speculation. Most people hesitate when they shoot. It appears this shooter did not. When confronted by someone else, I'd put my money on this guy to get the first deadly shot off.
"Put together an explosive.... Poison the water supply. Release weaponized viral agents into a high population area."
The guy in this situation bought the guns he used last week. He didn't appear to plan very far ahead. The items you provided above require special knowlege, access to difficult to obtain items, and extensive planning.
Really, do you not think someone would have already posioned the water supply for a major metro if it was easy by now?
"in 2016 dollars, the "basic income" would need to be at least $75k"
An individual doesn't need near that much to survive. Basic income would be just that, "basic". Enough to cover housing, food, clothing and a nominal amount left over for entertainment. If you want money for anything else, you need to work for it. And I'd say that amount needs to be calculated for what those expenses are for the lower 25% of the country. You don't get to choose where you live if you're going to be on the public dole.
"Remember, this country was built on the concept of individuality"
No it wasn't. Its not like a collective of people got together and built anything with a particular grand vision. And the original instantiation of this country was a failure. Remember the Articles of Confederation? It took a minuscule handful of people behind closed doors to fix that mess.
"there are plenty of places to live that fit that model"
Ah. The old, if you don't like it here you can move someplace else argument. That's always a good way to invalidate a complaint.
"But that is not historically what led to the US gaining the strength and economic might"
I'd attribute WWII for a lot of that. We weren't exactly a world power before that. And amazingly, that was about the time the US starting implementing a lot of those evil "socialist" programs.
Why do they need to justify anything? They store and present video without charging users a nickel. I heard 10 years ago their bandwidth bill was $1M a month. All the servers and tech support they have to manage that costs money. They have to at least break even somehow. If not ads, then how?
Just because it was a TOR node doesn't automatically mean the people weren't up to no good. If running a TOR node got you a free pass then the first thing all the bad people would do is set up a TOR node and claim they weren't doing whatever they were doing. I don't know the solution, but as people have said, they didn't go in gun a blazing and confiscate all their equipment. That's what I think of when I hear there was a raid. This sounds more like they knocked on the door, questions the people, looked at their setup, and left.
I'm with you. While jammers are not optimal, to equate their use to risking everyone's life because 911 isn't immediately available is a stretch and mostly disingenuous.
"And I was unable to determine the shipping on just the ODROID-C2... without filling in all of my contact information (something I've learned not to do until I decide to become a customer) "
You still have choices. Enter in dummy data but the correct zip code, or call the phone # they have listed on their from page for sales! - Sales: 707-635-2430
"Where human lives are at stake you must have a human being as the final unimpeachable failsafe system"
Have you never ridden in an automated car in an airport that takes you from terminal to terminal? Many have no operator, go fast enough to cause death, and work without being manned.
" if you're driving properly and using situational awareness to ensure you don't need to rely on reaction time"
That always sounds good, but isn't always achievable in practice. Have you ever been on a highway in the pouring rain where everyone is going 70+? If you go 70 like everyone else, you are likely going to fast. If you go a reasonable 40, you make traffic situations where people become frustrated and do risky maneuvers to get around you. If you really want to be safe, your best option is to not be on the road, but that isn't always an option.
You also don't have the right to drive anything anywhere. Vehicles must meet certain standards today, and those standards change over time. Think of seatbelts.
I'm sure you'll still be able to do that. Insurance may be $5000 a month though if you insist on controlling that 2 ton missile with your pathetic human reflexes.
"If 30,000 people died per annum in aircraft related incidents, we would never hear the end of it"
yet we constantly hear that over half of all aircraft incidents are due to pilot error. Maybe testing every 3 years isn't enough. Let's do it bi-weekly.
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"fingerprints are inadmissible in court"
Since when?
"Who's going to clean the vomit and other crap out of these autonomous public cars"
How about the car takes a before/after pic of itself. If it is found to be dirty then the last user is charged a $250 cleanup fee. Then the car is routed to a place to hose it down. 3 offences and the user is banned from the service for a year. 3 more and they are banned for life. Problem solved!
"They will always have my business because it will be a cold day in hell before I'll let a computer drive me around."
What if insurance companies use data that shows you are 500 times more likely to have an accident when you are driving than an computer with faster response times, communicating with other vehicles, always alert, and using 20+ sensors? And what if insurance for your autonomous car is $100/year but insurance for you in your "500+ horsepower, six speed Mustang 302R" is $50,000 per year?
In reality, that will be what drives people away from driving themselves.
"the public might think they are an 'invasion of privacy.'"
The issue could be the fact that there are over 1000 in the Seattle area alone. I suspect many people wouldn't care if they had 5 watching known terrorists. Those same people may not be as comfortable if they knew there was one on nearly every major street corner.
"If just 1 person in the room had a gun, or if the bar had bothered to hire security, this wouldn't have happened....."
Pure speculation. Most people hesitate when they shoot. It appears this shooter did not. When confronted by someone else, I'd put my money on this guy to get the first deadly shot off.
"Put together an explosive. ... Poison the water supply. Release weaponized viral agents into a high population area."
The guy in this situation bought the guns he used last week. He didn't appear to plan very far ahead. The items you provided above require special knowlege, access to difficult to obtain items, and extensive planning.
Really, do you not think someone would have already posioned the water supply for a major metro if it was easy by now?
"I am not saying people shouldn't be allowed to use their car as a deadly weapon"
So you ARE saying people should be allowed to use their car as a deadly weapon
"in 2016 dollars, the "basic income" would need to be at least $75k"
An individual doesn't need near that much to survive. Basic income would be just that, "basic". Enough to cover housing, food, clothing and a nominal amount left over for entertainment. If you want money for anything else, you need to work for it. And I'd say that amount needs to be calculated for what those expenses are for the lower 25% of the country. You don't get to choose where you live if you're going to be on the public dole.
"The small companies that own and rent private jets probably refuse to rent to Arab men from the middle east."
As opposed to the Arab men from elsewhere?
"Remember, this country was built on the concept of individuality"
No it wasn't. Its not like a collective of people got together and built anything with a particular grand vision. And the original instantiation of this country was a failure. Remember the Articles of Confederation? It took a minuscule handful of people behind closed doors to fix that mess.
"there are plenty of places to live that fit that model"
Ah. The old, if you don't like it here you can move someplace else argument. That's always a good way to invalidate a complaint.
"But that is not historically what led to the US gaining the strength and economic might"
I'd attribute WWII for a lot of that. We weren't exactly a world power before that. And amazingly, that was about the time the US starting implementing a lot of those evil "socialist" programs.
Why do they need to justify anything? They store and present video without charging users a nickel. I heard 10 years ago their bandwidth bill was $1M a month. All the servers and tech support they have to manage that costs money. They have to at least break even somehow. If not ads, then how?
Just because it was a TOR node doesn't automatically mean the people weren't up to no good. If running a TOR node got you a free pass then the first thing all the bad people would do is set up a TOR node and claim they weren't doing whatever they were doing. I don't know the solution, but as people have said, they didn't go in gun a blazing and confiscate all their equipment. That's what I think of when I hear there was a raid. This sounds more like they knocked on the door, questions the people, looked at their setup, and left.
We are all confined to some degree. The earth is a cage from which we cannot escape.
I'm with you. While jammers are not optimal, to equate their use to risking everyone's life because 911 isn't immediately available is a stretch and mostly disingenuous.
"a controversial law that allows landlords to reclaim a building by taking it off the rental market"?
Its controversial that a landlord can decide to stop renting when the rental agreement is complete and decide to live in their own property?
"The banks steal through foreclosure"
Don't you have to stop paying a loan you promised to pay for a bank to take a property via foreclosure?
"And I was unable to determine the shipping on just the ODROID-C2 ... without filling in all of my contact information (something I've learned not to do until I decide to become a customer) "
You still have choices. Enter in dummy data but the correct zip code, or call the phone # they have listed on their from page for sales! - Sales: 707-635-2430
Its like you're complaining just to complain.
" I got a batch of 30 small boards made, populated, shipped and exported all in for about 2 grand."
That's $66/board. What would 30 pis run?
I actually own a motorcycle and enjoy riding it.
"Where human lives are at stake you must have a human being as the final unimpeachable failsafe system"
Have you never ridden in an automated car in an airport that takes you from terminal to terminal? Many have no operator, go fast enough to cause death, and work without being manned.
" if you're driving properly and using situational awareness to ensure you don't need to rely on reaction time"
That always sounds good, but isn't always achievable in practice. Have you ever been on a highway in the pouring rain where everyone is going 70+? If you go 70 like everyone else, you are likely going to fast. If you go a reasonable 40, you make traffic situations where people become frustrated and do risky maneuvers to get around you. If you really want to be safe, your best option is to not be on the road, but that isn't always an option.
You also don't have the right to drive anything anywhere. Vehicles must meet certain standards today, and those standards change over time. Think of seatbelts.
"and I can enjoy my sports cars/motorcycles"
I'm sure you'll still be able to do that. Insurance may be $5000 a month though if you insist on controlling that 2 ton missile with your pathetic human reflexes.
"If 30,000 people died per annum in aircraft related incidents, we would never hear the end of it"
yet we constantly hear that over half of all aircraft incidents are due to pilot error. Maybe testing every 3 years isn't enough. Let's do it bi-weekly.
"tell a judge that takes away your license for DUI that he's violating your constitutional right to drive"
You still have a right to drive, just not on public roadways. Buy yourself 100 acres and you can drive around it all day long.