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Tesla: Model X Accident Caused By Driver Error, Not Autopilot (computerworld.com)
An anonymous reader writes: Tesla has responded to a recent report from a Model X owner claiming their vehicle suddenly accelerated at "maximum speed" by itself, jumped a curb and slammed into the side of a building while his wife was sitting behind the wheel. They said it analyzed vehicle logs, "which confirm that this Model X was operating correctly under manual control and was never in Autopilot or cruise control at the time of the incident or in the minutes before. Data shows that the vehicle was traveling at 6 mph when the accelerator pedal was abruptly increased to 100%. Consistent with the driver's action, the vehicle applied torque and accelerated as instructed. Safety is the top priority at Tesla and we engineer and build our cars with this foremost in mind. We are pleased that the driver is ok and ask our customers to exercise safe behavior when using our vehicles." When will people stop lying about Tesla's Autopilot mode crashing their cars? One Tesla owner recently filed a Lemon Law claim against the company over a high number of quality control issues.
slammed into the side of a building while his wife was sitting behind the wheel.
hmm ok . Happens.
Not being funny...
but if the logs show 100% acceleration, that just reflects the sensor value. Not that the user - or indeed anything else like a dropped handbag - actually pressed the pedal that far.
Although I'm always the one to shout "user error" first, and that's quite likely in this case, the logs alone are not sufficient to prove fault. Only to act like a flight recorder and say what the sensors recorded and what the machine did in response to that input.
How the sensor got that reading could still be manufacturing fault, cable fatigue, or a million and one other things not the fault of the driver.
Because if its in the data logs thats cast iron it was the meatsack's fault right?
Not even remotely possible say the pot on the accelerator went bad contact, demanded max throttle and that left the audit trail in the logs?
I know we like tesla here, but we've also seen edge cases do the same sort of thing, then someone produces a log that proves something different than what the log does and nobody challenges it and it grows into a worse problem by ignoring it.
People don't tend to be inclined to accept their own mistakes, and instead actively-seek some other explanation.
I'd be inclined to agree with you but for one thing... A few years ago Tesla let BBC Top Gear test a Roadster, and Jeremy Clarkson lampooned the vehicle in a way that annoyed Elon Musk. Ever since then Tesla have put a *lot* of data capture capability and performance monitoring into all of their vehicles, specifically to stop these sorts of claims.
If Tesla are saying that the telemetry from the black box shows 100% throttle, then at this juncture, I'd be inclined to believe them.
Years ago I spent my spare time helping a friend run his garage business, which included running a contract with a local Police force to recover accident-damaged vehicles. I saw numerous examples of situations in which drivers of automatic cars [and all Teslas are automatic by default] encountered something unexpected on the road. Their first instinct was to slam down on the brake pedal, but you would be amazed at how many managed to hit the throttle by mistake. In the panic and shock of an event, the body can lock up involuntarily, especially, if you think about it, if your car suddenly shot forward under the full acceleration that a Tesla is capable of...
It's way too early to say without more concrete data, but based on the above two points [knowledge of Tesla's extensive telemetry and personal experience of real-world examples like this] my "Occam's Razor" punt would suggest that something happened, the driver panicked, hit the wrong pedal, and the rest is history...
I am sure that on the surface it seemed like a good idea to try and blame the car for the couple.
No doubt they wanted to avoid the major increase in insurance premiums and the long wait time for a replacement car.
Nowadays though, with all the tech in cars, it is much easier to check what happened.
Technically, they could now be on the hook for filing a false police report and insurance fraud.
On the other hand, it is possible that it was an honest mistake. It happens regularly that someone "thinks" they have slammed on the brakes, only to have actually smashed the accelerator to the floor. I have even caught the my shoe on the accelerator before on a particular car which the two peddles were very close together.
Another time, I had a cheap ass floor mat that slid up and got stuck in the linkage causing a wide open throttle. Luckily that was a manual shift car.
Serious question... is this open information that the driver or owner of the car can read, or is this super secret encoded info that only Tesla has access to?
Do we simply take their word for what the logs say? Is there any way to check via 3rd party that this is in fact what happened and there is a secure means of ensuring the data isn't changed?
This is important, sooner or later it'll end up in court and this will come up. "Trust us" is not an answer.
So Tesla tracks everything to do with your car, people here seem to love them...
Yet bring up Microsoft and Windows 10 and all that tracking and everyone goes all crazy and how "evilz" MS is...
What's up with that?
Couldn't this be fixed by installing a photocell or proximity sensor or something that would tie in with the test of the data to confirm if it was the pedal depressed or it was a bad potentiometer? Bad pot gives 100% throttle, photocell confirms pedal was/wasn't depressed? It couldn't be that hard and would go a long way towards settling this one way or another.
That's all I had to read to know it was driver 'error'... While she was "sitting behind the wheel", was she DRIVING as well?
People hitting the accelerator instead of the brake while entering or exiting a parking spot is really, really common. Because the car starts moving forward and they think their foot is on the brake, people mash the accelerator down as hard as they can in an attempt to stop. I live in a pretty small town and at least once a month a 7-11 or restaurant or Radio Shack (so often it's Radio Shack!) gets driven into.
It's usually elderly people, but in this case the family had only had the car for five days and the driver had a very good chance of being unfamiliar with the feel of the car or distracted by new things or shiny gadgets.
Driver: "Autopilot, I need you to stop until the high speed cross traffic has cleared."
Autopilot: "I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave."
Well, Tesla isn't working with the insurance companies to make sure your premiums are sufficiently high.
"wife was driving."
If it suddenly went up to 100% straight, then that quite possibly means sensor error. Not autopilot, but not driver error either. We've seen a few cases where some vehicle (including a public transport bus, with not even a driver in the bus at all) "suddenly" started to move. Some of those didn't even have any autopilot at all, just electronic acceleration control. And so a sensor fault is not merely impossible.
In fact, I'd say maybe it's a good idea to limit the range reachable by foot of the sensor to less than 100% (95% or so), so that if it suddenly shoots up to a hundred then that clearly is a sensor fault.
Intent counts for a lot.
History has shown us that Microsoft will do everything they can to screw with their customers in any way possibly.
So far, Tesla has been incredibly customer friendly. Until that changes, the data they collect serves to make their products better.
So far, Tesla has been incredibly customer friendly. Until that changes, the data they collect serves to make their products better.
When that changes...
Tesla is a public company... Google made the "don't be evil" promise once as well, it'll never last...
You don't generally surf for porn on your car (and if you do, you're a legend/nutter).
Windows is designed to provide general-purpose computing. For most people that means digital records of their mail, finances, legal statements, private photos, are stored on a Windows computer. Are people using their in-car computer to handle those documents? When that happens, you will have a valid argument. Tesla knowing what movies people watch and where they go is worrisome but nowhere near the invasiveness possible for Microsoft.
That was my question exactly.
Why does no one object when I place a camera on the floor of a factory for safety reasons?
But everybody gets hysterical when I place that same camera in the employee toilet looking directly at the employees taking a dump?
What's up with that?
I MS only gathers the data after a trojan hit me and only after I explicitly tell them to do so, we'll talk.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
> So Tesla tracks everything to do with your car, people here seem to love them...
It's called trust. I trust Debian to do the right thing for me, that's why I just do "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" rather blindly (after having made sure systemd is pinned out, that is). I wouldn't trust Microsoft.
You might want to place your trust differently.
As to Tesla... I don't have a driver's license (and don't plan on acquiring one). So the question, luckily, doesn't arise for me.
If it was culturally acceptable for males to wear heals once more, I can guarantee those numbers would be a lot more even.
Am I entrusting my life to my PC? Mostly not. A car can kill me almost instantly.
"Tesla has responded to a recent report from a Model X owner claiming their vehicle suddenly accelerated at "maximum speed" by itself, jumped a curb and slammed into the side of a building while his _wife_ was sitting behind the wheel"
Wife. Enough said.
What a load of shit. In what way has history shown us that Microsoft will screw its customers? Sure, they've had issues with other businesses, but those weren't users. Unbridled hatred is bad, no matter who the target is.
> while his _wife_ was sitting behind the wheel
The gold question is: was the owner sitting behind the wheel too?
Every time someone brings up that "don't be evil" shit, another little girl is raped.
I know, right? It's like when Miley Cyrus gets naked and licks a sledgehammer they call it "art" and she's an "artist", but when I do it, they're all like "We're going to have to ask you to leave the hardware store" and stuff. I just don't get some people.
Maybe, but I can barely make out what you're saying because your horse is too high.
My understanding is that your car is always transmitting all this to Tesla, all the time...
https://forums.teslamotors.com...
This isn't something they "pull" only when you come in for service, they can track and monitor their cars in the world.
I did some Google searching and couldn't find much one way or another...
What's up with that?
The difference is that Tesla can be held legally accountable when certain things happen with their cars, and MS explicitly states in the EULA it can't be held accountable for anything.
Also, Telsa collects telemetry to use as actual telemetry (e.g. post crash investigation), while MS just collects some private data with the intent to sell it to advertisers and other shady groups.
Finally, if MS made a Tesla, you'd go to your car one morning to find it had changed color, an had replaced the steering wheel with a track ball. When you try to start it, it would first spend 15 min installing updates, even if you were stopped at a red light.
The owner lies first then sues second. That's the person type you're gonna get with the Model X.
The data MS is collecting is transmitted via the Internet to MS servers.
Probably unencrypted.
Probably interceptable by others.
The data Tesla is collecting stays on the black box of the car. until it is needed in case of an accident or for maintanance.
I see a small but significant difference here.
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Reminds me of unintended acceleration in Audi 5000s: drivers swore that the vehicle accelerated at full power while they had their foot hard on the brake. Of course, their foot was in fact on the accelerator.
Sudden unintended acceleration#Audi_5000.
Eventually a motoring journalist did the obvious experiment: what happens when you press both pedals at once? At speed or at rest, the brakes won.
Design was a factor: the brake and accelerator were sized and positioned so as to make this mistake easier to make in the Audi 5000 compared to many other cars.
Complete fucking horse shit. Have you heard of Apple?
That episode may have annoyed Elon Musk, but it annoyed me too.
The essence of Jeremy's complaint was that the Roadster didn't get close to the advertised range and then made disparaging comments about running out of charge on the way to the Pub.
Except that he was driving the thing on a track at the time, and trying for "best time" laps. Does anyone think that comes close to "normal motorway driving?"
Jeremy, I -hope- you don't drive like that on the way to the pub.
Apologies for a bit off topic.
Don't take life too seriously; it isn't permanent.
Correlation is not causation. That little girl will be raped regardless, because nobody who is there will stop it. What's more, they'll call her a slut, a whore, and tell her she deserved it or secretly wanted it.
"Well, I don’t think there is any question about it. It can only be attributable to human error. This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error."
Yep. How else are we supposed to make sure our coworkers and employees have not passed out or had a heart attack while defecating. It is all for safety of the user!
Silence is a state of mime.
Why does no one object when I place a camera on the floor of a factory for safety reasons?
They do object. In most unionised countries, the unions will (in my experience) object as the footage could be used to prove theft, inefficiency etc.
Most vehicles log events for a certain time, and may preserve the logs in the event of a crash event, etc. There's a big difference between local logging for post-event analysis and constantly grabbing (TRACKING) your information real-time and storing it offsite.
In TFA, it says "Tesla said it analyzed vehicle logs". Nowhere does it say that those logs were being captured wirelessly, so this is probably the same type of logging that most vehicles do, analysed after the incident.
Hell, most of my servers at home and work "log" tons of data, and that's perfectly OK. What they don't do is ship those logs off to a third-party without my consent or knowledge of what's being sent.
Determining if it's a sensor problem is easy in the vast majority of cases with a single sensor. Sure a common sensor failure can register an end point value like 0 or 100%, as those are the most common failures. But most systems can set up where full pedal is only 90% throttle, full off is 10%, and that shows a failure right there. Similarly with good resolution a human in a bumpy vehicle cannot hold a sensor at an exact value for long either, again showing a failure (just like how force sticks in old keyboards rezero).
Simply sampling the pedal 10k times a second is another way. A pedal is a physical device and as such probably cannot be moved through its travel much faster than in 0.1 seconds. You should have one thousand readings showing a smooth transition from unpressed to fully pressed. That is a world of difference from going from unpressed to pressed in 0.0001 seconds - a single sensor reading time sample
Another common sensor fault is getting lots of jitter. Again you can see that the sensor can't be functioning realistically because real pedals cannot move that fast.
Add in a bunch of very simple algorithms and it's pretty easy to approach 100% accuracy in determining if a sensor is feeding correct data or not. It's so trivial and sensor design 101 that I can't imagine all three of these are not already in the tesla.
All new cars record data now. How come you're not ranting against GM or Toyota?
What's up with that?
Happens more often than you think. I had a friend that drove like that, he used his right foot for gas, left for brake. Didn't take him long before backing up once and instead of hitting the brake he slammed down the accelerator and smashed into a car. He got that changed real quick after that.
This is similar to Toyota rapid acceleration. They blamed users but it turned out that their buggy software was faulty. Logs only show the final effect. So they show pedal pressed. How do we know that it was "pressed" by the user. Those are drive by wire accelerators.
I wouldn't be so sure...
https://www.teslamotors.com/ab...
Telematics Log Data: To improve our vehicles and services for you, we collect certain telematics data regarding the performance, usage, operation, and condition of your Tesla vehicle, including the following: vehicle identification number, speed information, odometer readings, battery use management information, battery charging history, electrical system functions, software version information, infotainment system data, safetyârelated data (including information regarding the vehicleâ(TM)s SRS systems, brakes, security, eâbrake), and other data to assist in identifying and analyzing the performance of the vehicle. We may collect such information either in person (e.g., during a service appointment) or via remote access.
Remote vehicle analysis: We may be able to dynamically connect to your Tesla vehicle to diagnose and resolve issues with it, and this process may result in access to personal settings in the vehicle (such as contacts, browsing history, navigation history, and radio listening history). This dynamic connection also enables us to view the current location of your vehicle, but such access is restricted to a limited number of personnel within Tesla.
The car do not phone home to transmit that data to Tesla. It is only saved locally in the car and looked at only in case of accident.
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The two are (potentially) very different.
I have no first hand experience of Teslas, but from the descriptions I've seen it sounds like this is a black box type of recording. It doesn't appeared to be used for anything until you crash the car, when it can be used to investigate what happened.
The tracking in Windows 10 on the other hand serves no such purpose. Call Microsoft and say, "I've corrupted my vital spreadsheet. Please check your tracking data and tell me what I did wrong." and you're not going to get much in the way of useful assistance. The Windows 10 stuff exists purely for the purpose of Microsoft extracting value from their customers.
I may be wrong - it may be that Tesla track where you drive and when and then use it to try to sell you stuff, or to sell information about you to third parties. I've seen no evidence of it so far though.
In what way has history shown us that Microsoft will screw its customers?
You must be new here.
I wouldn't be so sure...
https://www.teslamotors.com/ab...
Telematics Log Data: To improve our vehicles and services for you, we collect certain telematics data regarding the performance, usage, operation, and condition of your Tesla vehicle, including the following: vehicle identification number, speed information, odometer readings, battery use management information, battery charging history, electrical system functions, software version information, infotainment system data, safetyârelated data (including information regarding the vehicleâ(TM)s SRS systems, brakes, security, eâbrake), and other data to assist in identifying and analyzing the performance of the vehicle. We may collect such information either in person (e.g., during a service appointment) or via remote access.
Remote vehicle analysis: We may be able to dynamically connect to your Tesla vehicle to diagnose and resolve issues with it, and this process may result in access to personal settings in the vehicle (such as contacts, browsing history, navigation history, and radio listening history). This dynamic connection also enables us to view the current location of your vehicle, but such access is restricted to a limited number of personnel within Tesla.
I wouldn't be so sure...
https://www.teslamotors.com/ab...
Telematics Log Data: To improve our vehicles and services for you, we collect certain telematics data regarding the performance, usage, operation, and condition of your Tesla vehicle, including the following: vehicle identification number, speed information, odometer readings, battery use management information, battery charging history, electrical system functions, software version information, infotainment system data, safetyârelated data (including information regarding the vehicleâ(TM)s SRS systems, brakes, security, eâbrake), and other data to assist in identifying and analyzing the performance of the vehicle. We may collect such information either in person (e.g., during a service appointment) or via remote access.
Remote vehicle analysis: We may be able to dynamically connect to your Tesla vehicle to diagnose and resolve issues with it, and this process may result in access to personal settings in the vehicle (such as contacts, browsing history, navigation history, and radio listening history). This dynamic connection also enables us to view the current location of your vehicle, but such access is restricted to a limited number of personnel within Tesla.
Tesla uses logging to check the performance of its automation, but why not have a data log of all driver action and readable car data? This could be implemented flight recorder-style, capturing the last hour or so of data, so that privacy would not be compromised. It could do a world of good in adjudicating accidents.
Probably won't get noticed 150+ comments deep, but...
Perhaps the default configuration for the pedals should be a failsafe mode where the car is always "under control". When you slam the brake, you trend toward 0 MPH. If you slam on the gas, maybe the pedal interprets 100% as 0%, and applies no throttle. If you're accelerating, you should always have control of the accelerator. Flooring it isn't going to give you much more than 95% throttle would, and you could have a tactile bump at the end of the accelerator play that is easy sensed when you feather your foot, but also easily bypassed if you slam the pedal.
Basically, allow people to still gun it, just not outright "drag racing", and prevent unintended acceleration.
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People will never stop lying about things they think they can get away with - especially to avoid wounding their pride.
One of the few positives to the surveillance state, the constant tracking of data - is occasionally the ability to point out just like Tesla - "Uh, you're a lying sack of shit..."
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Well I guess the question is, can Tesla access these logs at any time? It would seem to me the only reason they accessed and likely had to the capability to access these logs was after the fact to diagnose the crash. Which is fine!
Ugh. I really do hope that is optional, or at least tunable.
Big difference between YOUR factory and MY car.
I don't know, I don't own one...
I'm simply pointing out that they have the ability to do it... I think this is something that should be adjustable by the end customer...
Does Elon Musk own Slashdot? Seriously, there are other things to talk about.
Sounds like somebody's getting a beating tonight....
Wife: "Honest, honey. I was just sitting here behind the wheel, and the car jumped forward into the wall all by itself. I didn't even touch the pedal at all. It's the car's fault. You should sue them!"
Tesla: "You can see right here in the logs, sir, that your wife completely floored it and slammed your car into the wall."
When will people stop lying about Tesla's Autopilot mode crashing their cars?
Only when it becomes clear that there is no money to be made by doing so. People lied about Audi's "uncontrollably accelerating" when in fact it was people standing on the accelerator pedal when they thought they were on the brake. People lied about Toyota Prius's too because they though there was a chance for settlement money. I have no doubt Telsa and every other company that comes out with autopilot technology is going to get hit with fraudulent claims as well.
Computer code can be written to do whatever Tesla wants, including falsifying logs. Who has audited the code to determine that the car keeps accurate logs?
I would not put it past the narcissist in chief of Tesla Motors to demand code that makes the car appear innocent no matter what.
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"Countries" are not "unionised".
Industries or "industrial sector" are.
And no: it is pretty common to have camaras installed in saftety relevant areas. There are easier ways to catch theft anyway.
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Depends where the camera points to, for example. Because there are places and countries where they very much will object if you e.g. point it to where people are working. You better have a damn good reason that you need to monitor that place and a damn good reason why you can't do that without filming your employees.
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The blackbox log is in the car, it is not realtime transmitted. Many cars have things like this.
It will take a while, but eventually people will need to learn that with an event recorder in the vehicle, they have to actually fess up to the stupid things they did.
Of course, honest people did that l along, bit they seem to be increasingly hard to come by these days.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Not all people are like that, and there will be some people that are honestly confused about what happened. But I agree, there are far too many liars around.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
There are only 4 pedal states when a woman is behind the wheel.
I would bet that a vast majority of these cases ARE situations where some idiot driver does something and then tries to blame it on the car/manufacturer. However there are also rare cases where computers/sensors behave erroneously. Unless there are two or more independent computers accessing two or more independent sensors a log cannot be completely verified. I think that does put it on the accuser the prove that it was the vehicle and not themselves, either through LOTS of testing or finding a large number of other possible victims. Tesla does seem to have to deal with a lot more nutcases though, flipping through some of the Youtube "Tesla crash" videos it it pretty clear that most of these people went out of their way to FIND situations where the car would misbehave and filmed it. Its a little like someone driving a little Ford Focus through a river like its an offload monster and then complaining that it lost traction, sucked a bunch of water into its engine and shorted out its electronics.
It has a built in web browser in the console dashboard, so technically, you could...
to be expected. what would have been just a roar of the engine will now land you across the street.
I was fore of a wrongful death jury from car accident few yrs ago. defendant (& her passenger) were obviously lying their asses off based on physical evidence (pcm data, skid marks, etc). they started out w/responding officers on scene (captured on dash cam) at which point they were committed/had to stick to their story even as forensics revealed it to be bullshit. I suspect something similar here - driver panicked, saw a convenient scapegoat then had to stick w/it even after being exposed.
deflecting liability is a strong motivator...
Maybe a complex sex-act gone wrong?
it wasn't even a farmers' market that got ran into.
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So if the user was pressing the break all the way down, there would be evidence of skid marks, or at least proof in the breaking system logs that she was pressing the break. I have a restaurant in town that had an old person drive into it because of a pedal identification error, wasn't able to eat there for months.
This is not good enough for Tesla given the computing ability and the sensors it has in place. My 18 wheeler semi, a 44 tonne DAF CF Euro 6 my company bought along with 100 others in October 2014, is fitted with AEBS. AEBS is now mandatory in all heavy trucks in the EU. The collision the Tesla had is impossible in my truck or any new truck recently sold within the EU unless there is a fault. If the AEBS system detects a collision it automatically applies the brakes and disables the accelerator pedal function. If a truck that is over 18 months old has the ability to prevent this regardless of driver input then why doesn't a Telsa which is lauding its autopilot ability regardless of whether it was the driver or the autopilot in control? Seriously this is "old" tech, the problem has been solved and even implemented in law in the EU so why haven't Tesla implemented it?
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Did you read all that, and still failed to see the difference? You must be *really* dense. But of course, I guess Microsoft pays you money to be that way, as indicated by your history.
All modern cars track everything about your car. The values are shoved in a little box and are readable by the manufacturer. They aren't sent off remotely (yet) for advertising purposes without your knowledge.
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Intent counts for a lot.
History has shown us that Microsoft will do everything they can to screw with their customers in any way possibly.
So far, Tesla has been incredibly customer friendly. Until that changes, the data they collect serves to make their products better.
Intent counts for a lot.
History has shown us that Microsoft will do everything they can to screw with their customers in any way possibly.
So far, Tesla has been incredibly customer friendly. Until that changes, the data they collect serves to make their products better.
And you honestly believe Tesla has good intent behind this?
Musk is a silicon valley guy. The silicon valley mantra is know everything about everyone so you can profit from it. I can't believe people are comparing this to an aircraft black box; the fundamental difference is that an aircraft's black box is regulated in it's usage by the International Civil Aviation Organization and is intended for investigative and safety analysis purposes only. No such regulation or restriction exists for an automotive black box, which means Tesla retains and owns all the data and they have no one forcing them to give you any of it in the case of a dispute such as this case.
Man, why do people give this guy such a free pass? Musk is one of the most crooked guys I've ever seen. He profits from tax credits (which comes primarily from the middle class) to sell luxury cars full of bugs to the rich; the Model 3 will come out after all the tax credits expire so the middle class car he's developing will provide no price relief to his customers. He "leases" solar panels to people so Solar City can collect the tax credit for installing solar panels. SpaceX at least is decent enough company, but even everything they've done is essentially repurposed stuff NASA did in the 80's with the Space Shuttle. There is so much showmanship going on with his companies that I can't believe the fabled Slashdot skepticism is so reluctant to peek behind the curtain and see what it is they're actually doing.
Microsoft are an evil force - they are anti-customer and anti-developer. They are seeking ways to innovate less and rip you off more. Their marketing department has taken over and are now on a downward spiral... no engineering talent at the top.
Elon musk is a hardcore engineer and seems to be very authentic in his intent - he has done nothing in his companies to put his good intentions in doubt. The products he produces are all full of innovation and compelling.
The only time I think Tesla and SpaceX will go downhill (like Microsoft) is when they no longer have a strong engineer like Elon Musk leading the company.
They bought the fucker and we have the money, so it's their fault.
I believe you can opt out of the program at purchase.
If you are having a problem with your TPS report, it's probably because you didn't put one of the new coversheets on it. You see, we're putting the coversheets on all TPS reports now before they go out. Did you see the memo about this?
Mmmm ... yeah. If you could just go ahead and make sure you do that from now on, that will be great.
What's a "clutch"?
I can bet the numbers for this type of an accident are way lower in Europe where we have the clutch pedal in the middle which in this case happens to be an extra safety feature.
The Toyota problem was a real issue
Some of it was real but much was fabricated by would be con artists and ambulance chasers. There were a lot of people making false and/or unsubstantiated claims in the hopes of settlement money.
In my experience if there are cameras on a factory floor the managers will sit in nice AC'd offices all day staring at monitors. Then they will call you up every five minutes to second-guess everything you are doing like a nagging wife that really wants to make your life miserable.
Just think about what would happen if the PHBs in HR could see everything developers were doing all day long. Would they understand a fraction of it? No. Would they call you and write you up if you so much as stopped typing for more than five minutes? Yes.
Stroke.
Most common life threatening incident while defecating is stroke, due to the fact most people perform the Valsalva (straining while holding your breath) maneuver while doing so.
The Valsalva maneuver causes a rapid, transient increase in blood pressure (through increased cardiac output) which can dislodge a blood clot and send it on its way towards the brain.
This can also occur if there are more than one person in the drivers seat. Pants optional.
"abruptly increased to 100%" - sounds like BS. How on Earth you can now if a pedal was pressed 100%, or one of 2 potentiometers failed and software failed to apply minimum throttle instead of maximum, or it was just one of zillion of software bugs that registered 100% press when there was none? Tesla should release raw data if it has any meaningful & detailed data, then we can see how it changed over time and if Tesla story is credible, was there gradual press on pedal like pressing on brake, or was it some sudden jump to 100 over 5 milliseconds that doesn't look like human input. Right now, it looks like Tesla is covering it up or not taking it seriously.
So you're telling me that there' no way an electronic pedal can wig out and suddenly jump to 100% throttle? I've had the same thing happen in my Dodge Charger before when the ECU was acting up. It would also cut out the brakes. It might be different if there were say 2 - 3 different sensors in the pedal to detect pedal position, but there's a single variable sensor. If it messes up, then these things will happen.
I smell BS from Tesla.
If you don't slow down in time you might well break something.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
All data is encrypted over an OpenVPN connection. I know, I looked at all the traffic my Model S was sending and scanned for any open ports (there were none).
This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal.
You can turn this off. By default it is off.
This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal.
When will people stop lying about Tesla's Autopilot mode crashing their cars?
How do you know it's not Tesla lying? They have far more to lose in the matter if it were real.
Obviously, the log could not be tampered with, and there only objective people working with it?
https://www.youtube.com/c/BrendaEM
The amount of armchair engineering in this thread is staggering. It's worse that the political / legal threads for christ sake!
Sounds as if Tesla set up a perfect Straw-man fallacy (and the owner helped): "Because the autopilot didn't do it - it MUST have been the driver." As lots of other posts here show, there are lots of other things that could have gone wrong which could have filled the logs.
That kind of denialism, though the management may think it shields them from bad press, will eventually hurt them far worse than performing a full, transparent investigation.
They are saying the vehicle drove over 39 feet of planters to hit the building. The picture shows the plants and grass to be less than the length of the model x. The model x is only 198.3 long which comes out to 16 and 1/2 feet, less than half the distance they claimed it drove. I guess they don't care about the truth or verifiable facts.
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Stop wearing high heels and driving cars.