I would think with Google's track record of recording and storing anything and everything they come across that people would be less than willing to provide them with your bank account information as well as all of the stock investments you have made. They're great, don't get me wrong I use them every day, but I don't trust them to index my entire hard drive and I certainly don't trust them with all my investment information.
always post about something that isn't out yet so that the entire discussion is not reviews but reduced to mindless arguments and speculation? Just let me know when the damn thing is released
Well it's already been established that they are operating under legal boundaries at this point and time, I've conceded that point. As far as the law here goes, to say the *AA doesn't make the law is technically correct but it seems to deny the fact that they have a great influence on the making of new laws related to their own interests, such as copyright enforcement.
On a related and scary note, it seems that in Iraq the RIAA (or their chief executive) actually is writing the laws. Link from 2003 here
I definitely agree with your point on artist compensation, and the best way I know of to do that short of wiring them money is to go to their concerts, buy a souvenier t-shirt, etc. Of course, buying a CD does support the artist in a way, but indy labels are probably more likely to favor the artist instead of some conglomerated company.
Oh I totally agree with your point, and I feel that although we're having this little speed bump as we are entering the information age, eventually the *AA will cave. The concept of copyright and software patents and all that stuff will be eradicated and we'll enter a new and wonderful Star Trek-like existence. The effect of linking the entire world together to share information is just very exciting. I'm glad I'm here to watch that change happen.
I defintitely wasn't supporting any of the *AA's actions against us, in fact I think they are getting their just desserts for their business practices. In a capitalist nation, we're going to find the cheapest way to get what we want, and if that involves breaking a law that many feel is unnecessary, well that's just up to the individual person. The importation of mp3s from Russia seems to be perfectly legal based on the current laws, but my fear of the RIAA and its strong lobbying power and vast resources that we as consumers have given them by buying albums from them still makes me cautious because I know they don't like this. By downloading the music from Russia or even from peers, I think we're taking some of their influence. Supporting their profit machine with our hard earned money by buying CDs of inflated prices has to end sometime, that time seems to be now.
I've been downloading a long time and use 2 Russian mp3 sites, in fact I've never even used Yahoo or iTunes or the new Napster so I hope I didn't give the impression that I preferred them. The only reason I even suggested them was for those who have moral beefs with pirating and I thought that given the seemingly dubious nature of the Russian sites that those were somehow operating under the radar. Personally I have no such beef and I even suggested allofmp3.com to my own mother to use. Then again, I think most of us who got their first taste of downloading from Napster 1.0 probably get music any way we can anyways and probably share the same feelings on copyrights and software patents and everything else that has changed when we entered the digital age.
Well I don't profess to know the process of investigation or how strictly they enforce their laws in Russia, so your guess is as good as mine if they are operating legally within Russia or if they were able to skirt by the laws.
Making digital copies available for download just doesn't strike me as the most legit thing in the world, especially when the prices are mere fractions of the cost for the same service in the US where the RIAA has the most influence. I'd say probably half of the music I download is from these Russian sites, so it's not like I'm trying to hold a higher moral ground, I'm saying that for those who do, this might not be the best place to download their music. They would probably be better off with Yahoo or iTunes if they are stuck with it;)
So number 2 is the applicable exception? I don't think most of us are associated with the US Government or for "scholarly educational or religious purposes" so it must be number 2. In that case, it says that importation for private use is legal. This law was obviously written in the analog days since it talks about phonorecords, but does a digital file count as importation? When I download a file from someone overseas, it is considered importation? Surely US Customs was not told what I am importing.
I never said that they would place wiretap-like monitoring on everybody's internet. If anything they would pressure the ISPs to monitor things like this. There's always a risk, and when you're downloading these mp3 files from some sketchy Russian website, becoming complacent is not the best idea.
I'm not too sure on the definition of entrapment in your country, but in the US it is considered entrapment if a police officer entices you to "do something you wouldn't under normal circumstances" that happens to be illegal, ie revving his engine next to you at a stoplight enticing you to race or soliciting drugs or prostitution to someone who wasn't searching for it in the first place. It wouldn't be considered entrapment if an officer gets an old looking 20 year old to beg you to serve him alcohol since it isn't the officer enticing you to break the law, it's the kid, and the officer can swoop down on you when you do finally serve the kid. That's how 95% of underage alcohol serving busts are made.
Well there still seems to be some confusion as to the legality or exactly what is happening when you download this music from Russia, but my original point still stands that you are not supporting the artists and you shouldn't kid yourself into thinking that doing this is just like buying the CD from Specs. At best it's a dubious method of importing music, at worst it's pirating. It doesn't seem like the people who have a problem with pirating mind whether or not the RIAA gets any money or even if it's illegal, but those who are searching for a legit music downloading service because pirating is against their morals or they want to support the artists should probably look elsewhere. I'm sure that's why allofmp3.com wasn't included in the article.
Things are only legal as long as the RIAA hasn't yet succeeded in making them illegal. You can be sure services like allofmp3.com and mp3search.ru are under the RIAA's watchful eye. The one time credit card is a good idea though, good for online purchases of any type I'm sure.
If that's how it really is then it seems like you should be able to get away with it for now, but I'd watch for the next RIAA supported legislation to further extend its umbrella of influence on our digital lives.
I'm sure the kids whose parents had to pay out thousands to appease the RIAA because their kid didn't know that downloading from Napster was illegal would have something to say about that.
You don't think it's illegal? It's still copyright infringement if they aren't a legit distributor and I'm sure they aren't. I'm sure they don't give any of that money to the record company or the artists.
What would be the difference if a russian man was the one I was downloading from via bit torrent for instance? None, it's still unauthorized distribution. Just because you can get away with it right now doesn't mean that the RIAA doesn't know about it and that they aren't working to stop it.
Like I said in my original reply, don't kid yourself into thinking that this is legit or right or legal in the US, the RIAA just can't stop it right now because it is operating legally in Russia. That won't stop them from pursuing it on this side of the Atlantic, however.
Oh I never said that it was illegal in Russia. In fact that's exactly why it's still operating right now. But if you look at a quote in the article (and you're good at decyphering Engrish), it gives you the clue to the RIAA's possible next plan:
I can confirm the legality of allofmp3.com You can legally buy/download mp3-songs from this site if it does not breaks the law the national legislation of the country in which you will be during that moment Sorry for my english.
All it will take is the RIAA to make downloading mp3s of songs which the hold the copyrights for illegal, and then they make your ISP monitor this and then they nail you for downloading anyway. Of course, that's probably a little far fetched, but it still serves to support my original point which is that you are downloading music from an unauthorized distributor and the RIAA would be more than pleased to stop that in one way or the other.
To be fair, you're really just pirating music and paying for the bandwidth costs. I download from www.allofmp3.com and from www.mp3search.ru for individual songs and for full albums, but I don't kid myself and try to believe that I'm supporting the artists or the, *ahem*, poor recording companies by doing so. The RIAA probably can't shut them down right now since in Soviet Russia mp3 site shuts down you. If they ever do, however, and seize their records, all of us are in big trouble since they have our credit card numbers. Might as well stick to the free methods if you can help it.
I feel bad for you if you think an Apple phone which holds 100 songs is better than a smartphone. You can get up to a 1gb mini sd card which will hold songs, ebooks, pictures, anything basically. I don't know how I lived without it =D
I guess if running several meters of interior power cables seems like a good alternative. Sounds like a good mod for someone with some cable splicing time on their hands.
I won't go through the trouble of quoting long stretches of this link, so I'll provide a couple points and the link and let you read it for yourself.
In contrast to the claims of Dawkins et al., no evidence exists to support the claim that even the most advanced verted eye is superior to the inverted eye.
How the eye evolved from the primitive verted type common to invertebrates into the inverted eye of vertebrates is... an unexplained mystery. No evidence exists of any transitional forms, and all known animals have either verted or inverted eyes.
What exactly are the "requests"? Are they e-mails? Packets?
Also wouldn't one company sending the requests simply be a DOS attack not a DDOS since the extra D is "Distributed" and be easily blocked by the spammer?
Slashdot Mirror
I would think with Google's track record of recording and storing anything and everything they come across that people would be less than willing to provide them with your bank account information as well as all of the stock investments you have made. They're great, don't get me wrong I use them every day, but I don't trust them to index my entire hard drive and I certainly don't trust them with all my investment information.
always post about something that isn't out yet so that the entire discussion is not reviews but reduced to mindless arguments and speculation? Just let me know when the damn thing is released
Well it's already been established that they are operating under legal boundaries at this point and time, I've conceded that point. As far as the law here goes, to say the *AA doesn't make the law is technically correct but it seems to deny the fact that they have a great influence on the making of new laws related to their own interests, such as copyright enforcement.
On a related and scary note, it seems that in Iraq the RIAA (or their chief executive) actually is writing the laws. Link from 2003 here
I definitely agree with your point on artist compensation, and the best way I know of to do that short of wiring them money is to go to their concerts, buy a souvenier t-shirt, etc. Of course, buying a CD does support the artist in a way, but indy labels are probably more likely to favor the artist instead of some conglomerated company.
Oh I totally agree with your point, and I feel that although we're having this little speed bump as we are entering the information age, eventually the *AA will cave. The concept of copyright and software patents and all that stuff will be eradicated and we'll enter a new and wonderful Star Trek-like existence. The effect of linking the entire world together to share information is just very exciting. I'm glad I'm here to watch that change happen.
I defintitely wasn't supporting any of the *AA's actions against us, in fact I think they are getting their just desserts for their business practices. In a capitalist nation, we're going to find the cheapest way to get what we want, and if that involves breaking a law that many feel is unnecessary, well that's just up to the individual person. The importation of mp3s from Russia seems to be perfectly legal based on the current laws, but my fear of the RIAA and its strong lobbying power and vast resources that we as consumers have given them by buying albums from them still makes me cautious because I know they don't like this. By downloading the music from Russia or even from peers, I think we're taking some of their influence. Supporting their profit machine with our hard earned money by buying CDs of inflated prices has to end sometime, that time seems to be now.
I've been downloading a long time and use 2 Russian mp3 sites, in fact I've never even used Yahoo or iTunes or the new Napster so I hope I didn't give the impression that I preferred them. The only reason I even suggested them was for those who have moral beefs with pirating and I thought that given the seemingly dubious nature of the Russian sites that those were somehow operating under the radar. Personally I have no such beef and I even suggested allofmp3.com to my own mother to use. Then again, I think most of us who got their first taste of downloading from Napster 1.0 probably get music any way we can anyways and probably share the same feelings on copyrights and software patents and everything else that has changed when we entered the digital age.
Well I don't profess to know the process of investigation or how strictly they enforce their laws in Russia, so your guess is as good as mine if they are operating legally within Russia or if they were able to skirt by the laws.
;)
Making digital copies available for download just doesn't strike me as the most legit thing in the world, especially when the prices are mere fractions of the cost for the same service in the US where the RIAA has the most influence. I'd say probably half of the music I download is from these Russian sites, so it's not like I'm trying to hold a higher moral ground, I'm saying that for those who do, this might not be the best place to download their music. They would probably be better off with Yahoo or iTunes if they are stuck with it
So number 2 is the applicable exception? I don't think most of us are associated with the US Government or for "scholarly educational or religious purposes" so it must be number 2. In that case, it says that importation for private use is legal. This law was obviously written in the analog days since it talks about phonorecords, but does a digital file count as importation? When I download a file from someone overseas, it is considered importation? Surely US Customs was not told what I am importing.
I never said that they would place wiretap-like monitoring on everybody's internet. If anything they would pressure the ISPs to monitor things like this. There's always a risk, and when you're downloading these mp3 files from some sketchy Russian website, becoming complacent is not the best idea.
I'm not too sure on the definition of entrapment in your country, but in the US it is considered entrapment if a police officer entices you to "do something you wouldn't under normal circumstances" that happens to be illegal, ie revving his engine next to you at a stoplight enticing you to race or soliciting drugs or prostitution to someone who wasn't searching for it in the first place. It wouldn't be considered entrapment if an officer gets an old looking 20 year old to beg you to serve him alcohol since it isn't the officer enticing you to break the law, it's the kid, and the officer can swoop down on you when you do finally serve the kid. That's how 95% of underage alcohol serving busts are made.
Well there still seems to be some confusion as to the legality or exactly what is happening when you download this music from Russia, but my original point still stands that you are not supporting the artists and you shouldn't kid yourself into thinking that doing this is just like buying the CD from Specs. At best it's a dubious method of importing music, at worst it's pirating. It doesn't seem like the people who have a problem with pirating mind whether or not the RIAA gets any money or even if it's illegal, but those who are searching for a legit music downloading service because pirating is against their morals or they want to support the artists should probably look elsewhere. I'm sure that's why allofmp3.com wasn't included in the article.
Things are only legal as long as the RIAA hasn't yet succeeded in making them illegal. You can be sure services like allofmp3.com and mp3search.ru are under the RIAA's watchful eye. The one time credit card is a good idea though, good for online purchases of any type I'm sure.
If that's how it really is then it seems like you should be able to get away with it for now, but I'd watch for the next RIAA supported legislation to further extend its umbrella of influence on our digital lives.
I'm sure the kids whose parents had to pay out thousands to appease the RIAA because their kid didn't know that downloading from Napster was illegal would have something to say about that.
You don't think it's illegal? It's still copyright infringement if they aren't a legit distributor and I'm sure they aren't. I'm sure they don't give any of that money to the record company or the artists.
What would be the difference if a russian man was the one I was downloading from via bit torrent for instance? None, it's still unauthorized distribution. Just because you can get away with it right now doesn't mean that the RIAA doesn't know about it and that they aren't working to stop it.
Like I said in my original reply, don't kid yourself into thinking that this is legit or right or legal in the US, the RIAA just can't stop it right now because it is operating legally in Russia. That won't stop them from pursuing it on this side of the Atlantic, however.
Oh I never said that it was illegal in Russia. In fact that's exactly why it's still operating right now. But if you look at a quote in the article (and you're good at decyphering Engrish), it gives you the clue to the RIAA's possible next plan:
I can confirm the legality of allofmp3.com You can legally buy/download mp3-songs from this site if it does not breaks the law the national legislation of the country in which you will be during that moment Sorry for my english.
All it will take is the RIAA to make downloading mp3s of songs which the hold the copyrights for illegal, and then they make your ISP monitor this and then they nail you for downloading anyway. Of course, that's probably a little far fetched, but it still serves to support my original point which is that you are downloading music from an unauthorized distributor and the RIAA would be more than pleased to stop that in one way or the other.
To be fair, you're really just pirating music and paying for the bandwidth costs. I download from www.allofmp3.com and from www.mp3search.ru for individual songs and for full albums, but I don't kid myself and try to believe that I'm supporting the artists or the, *ahem*, poor recording companies by doing so. The RIAA probably can't shut them down right now since in Soviet Russia mp3 site shuts down you. If they ever do, however, and seize their records, all of us are in big trouble since they have our credit card numbers. Might as well stick to the free methods if you can help it.
I feel bad for you if you think an Apple phone which holds 100 songs is better than a smartphone. You can get up to a 1gb mini sd card which will hold songs, ebooks, pictures, anything basically. I don't know how I lived without it =D
I for one welcome our new Google overlords
Really? Is that why they get mad when I call them broads?
I guess if running several meters of interior power cables seems like a good alternative. Sounds like a good mod for someone with some cable splicing time on their hands.
So am I the only case ricer who can't fall asleep with his computer on because of all the lights on it? :o
Funny you should mention Einstein, he was quite the deist.
I won't go through the trouble of quoting long stretches of this link, so I'll provide a couple points and the link and let you read it for yourself.
... an unexplained mystery. No evidence exists of any transitional forms, and all known animals have either verted or inverted eyes.
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In contrast to the claims of Dawkins et al., no evidence exists to support the claim that even the most advanced verted eye is superior to the inverted eye.
How the eye evolved from the primitive verted type common to invertebrates into the inverted eye of vertebrates is
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2000/PSCF3-00Bergman
What exactly are the "requests"? Are they e-mails? Packets? Also wouldn't one company sending the requests simply be a DOS attack not a DDOS since the extra D is "Distributed" and be easily blocked by the spammer?
This little known hacker tool is responsible for cracking Google's video player. See how it could affect your computer's security, tonight at 11!