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Japan Wants to Build 10 Petaflop Supercomputer
deepexplorer writes "Japan wants to gain the fastest supercomputer spot back. Japan wants to develop a supercomputer that can operate at 10 petaflops, or 10 quadrillion calculations per second, which is 73 times faster than the
Blue Gene. Current fastest supercomputer is the partially finished Blue Gene is capable of 136.8 teraflops and the target when finished is 360 teraflops."
Well I want a Stargate, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna get one. I bet OpenOffice.org will still take 5 minutes to start on it.
The supercomputer will be pocket-sized and ran on two AA batteries.
I see they are upgrading to get ready for Longhorn.
These 136.8 teaflops could have been avoided if the proper specifications were used before hardware development and programming began. Essential tea technical info.
I actually had to think for a minute "what is a teaflop?" then I realized it was a misspelling.
Seriously, folks! I thought we decided we were going to start trying!
BlueGene/L is the fastest super computer at the moment; however, BlueGene/C (which, for the record, I'm working on as part of my PhD) will be finished very soon (it was supposed to be out of the foundry by the end of August, but the project is running slightly behind schedule). I'm told there are, as yet, no plans to publish any performance benchmarks.
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If funding runs out for this one, they'll end up with a 1 Belly-flop supercomputer
*ba-dum-dum ching!*
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...and I want a pony.
Guess which two things aren't happening anytime soon?
Is there such a thing as a "Metaflop?"
Inquiring idiots want to know!
What the hell is "Wot"?
I mean seriously... Doom 4 isn't even out yet.
**insert favorite profound quotation here**
No sure, Jo... But I think a petaflop is a pedicure gone bad. :)
"The supercomputer has a performing capacity equivalent to 500,000 high-functioning computers, the business daily said." Forbes, June 22, 2005 Haha ha.
Big deal, the white mice have had this beat for years...
Well *somebody* has to say it:
... does it run linux?
.... so sorry. it had to be done.
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In Soviet Russia super computer teaflop YOU!
i'm sorry
Japan wants to develop
Japan wants a lot of things now doesn't it. Well, Japan will just have to be a good little country and maybe Santa will come.
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Microsoft chairman, Bill Gates, has announced yet a new version of the Windows Operating system. Trying to take advantage of the obvious new market of supercomputers, the computer giant is ready to release Windows SC. The new operating system, designed to beat the Japanese domination in computing power, as well as the Russians in spam-distribution, will link all computers running the operating system into one giant spam^H^H^H^Hcommercial marketing distribution center.
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Did we export the US political parties to Japan?
Do the Bushes or Clintons have relatives in Japan?
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Seven, but the last one doesn't count.
japan is thinking "but we just bought this computer, it's obsolete already? shit a brick!" anyone in the market for a slightly used supercomputer?
Someone should have told them that using Duke Nukem Forever to test with was a bad idea.. perhaps they can use Quake 4?
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I can't believe there will be a computer that will actually play Diakatana at 1200x1600 in my lifetime
And will be the only computer with the sticker Designed for Windows Vista.
The Japanese are really sensitive about the whole "small penis" thing.
--They say only a fool looks at the finger pointing to the sky...
What the hell is "Wot"?
:)
Read your comment above out loud and I'm sure you'll figure it out
"Who says nothing is impossible? Some people do it every day!" - Alfred E. Neuman
yeah... um... so I'm guessing OpenOffice would at least startup semi-fast on that machine
Well that whole AI program they had several years back didn't work out.
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given current (no pun intended) tech, this is going to require huge amounts of electricity. will the results be worth it?
I can just picture the case mod.
Operator, give me the number for 911!
If only there was a supercomputer that could revise news posts before they go live? It could be in the form of *gasp* an editor!?
Wide Open Throttle LOL
That much heat in one place has got to wake up something doesn't it?
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...a Beowulf cluster of....oh, never mind.
Big deal!!!
I only have to overclock my Pentium 4 83000 times to beat that little pocket calculator.
(Pentium 4 3.06 GHz has a theoretical max of 12 Gigaflops)
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That's when members of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals are impotent, right?
Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach him to fish and he'll wipe out the species.
No animals will be harmed in the production of this computer.
Superconducting supercomputer. Too expensive but maybe need to build one to see how they work.m .htm
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/hpcc/insights/vol6/superco
Using 'general' processors is cheap but the wrong direction according to the best supercomputer expert from Stanford. He designed some cray computers.
http://content.techweb.com/wire/26802955
I understand the need for speed when doing simulations but you have to wonder how much of this is a Freudian need for a bigger computer to top the competition? There's generally more talk of the computer's size than it's capibilities.
But I want to build a 20 PetaFlop computer. Take that Japan!
That's all well and good but, does it have a decent graphics card. Carmack needs to know.
I'm cool with it, just as long as you can find it within you means to not outfit the computer with ten thousand flashing lights, fins, spikes, a jetpack, and a prepubescent boy pilot.
Soooo...why? What **special** purpose would the supercomputer serve rather than bragging rights?
So why are they building the computer? Is there a specific project in mind or do they just want the fastest?
resistance to spilt liquids?
I guess you could say they're Peta-philes.
How many BogoMips is that?
I won't mind a Japanese supercomputer, but it had better have a frickin' short-throw Hurst in it.
And a 4:11 rear end. And an Edelbrock High Rise.
It had better be the Anti-Rice or I'm comin' over the table for them.
First, it seems almost powerful enough that it might start and run Adobe Premiere within four or five hours instead of six or seven.
Second, Kingdom of Loathing would finally have zero lag on the server side.
Third, it might be slightly more resistant to Slashdoting and building a router out of one of these might complete the defense.
Fourth, by the time this ends up on my desktop, Duke Nukem Forever will be in beta.
Other than that, should make wonderful blurb filler regarding chess matches with Russians for kids' science news periodicals.
If my grammar and spelling are off, I am [distracted/tired/careless] (take your pick)
Yeah, but as it goes onto say in that article there's currently not enough $'s in making HPC chips for anyone to find the job commercially worthwhile.
:)
It'll be an interesting decision for the Japanese. The Earth supercomputer used custom NEC processors IIRC. It was a top performer for quite a while. The other current top performers are PowerPC, Itanium and Opterons. Maybe not vanilla processors but not custom either.
If you remove commerical pressures then maybe custom makes sense... we'll see I s'pose
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Forget the truth. Science is fact.
Bugger when your tea flops. Especially a high tea.
Will the US be able to step it up and match Japan? Dunno...
The wording of the article is terrible. "Japan Wants to Build 10 Petaflop Supercomputer", I want to build a 10 petaflop computer, too, does that mean I am capable of that? No. The difference is Japan set forth the process of creating a 10 petaflop computer. The article should read something like "Japan Building 10 Petaflop Supercomputer".
You fail to see the point. That means it's very fast. Still, Japan's computer will take over with its ten 500 GB Hitach Desktstars. Speaking of typos...
That makes the Zero Wing intro look like a proper MLA paper. ;)
You can hold down the "B" button for continuous firing.
and besides we were talking about tea. Where do you get ideas about coffee from a talk about tea?
That's a whole lot of peta right there. I guess the japanese could be considered some real peta-philes then.
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 is the magic number.
My question was wouldn't the result be the same, not whether or not it would be scalded if pouring it into boiling water. That is, if it would get scalded by pouring it into boiling water, wouldn't it get scalded by pouring hot water into it?
Will this machine breathe for me?
I don't really know why we love gigantic computers, though. I live in a prefecture which is Japan's answer to rural Iowa and we built a 1,300 node distributed supercomputer without any idea of a feasible application to run on it -- we ended up computing a few zillion solutions to N-Queens before mothballing the project (I was hoping for enough CPU time to take the world record back from the real supercomputer at the Japanese university that currently holds it, but unfortunately it was not to be).
Help poke pirates in the eyepatch, arr.
Why don't they ever mention the real world stats or operational supercomputers? /C which is falling behind, but at least they're not reporting any numbers until it actually works.
They keep saying BlueGene/L when it's not even completed (maybe it finally is). There's also
The fastest operational (like anything else matters) supercomputer is Columbia at NASA. And guess what? It's doing a ton of usefull work, like helping make sure the Space Shuttle launches without a hitch by computing all the Thermal Protection System problems and various other analyses.
Look at the number of processors it uses and it's performance compared to the others. It's one of the more efficient of the bunch.
Just wait until they upgrade it..
Top500 should include different rankings, like efficiency or measurable areas other than projected TFlops. In the end it's not how many you got, but how well you can use them.
-- Robi
That's almost as powerful as the PS3 will be! Amazing.
so should it still rhyme with beta, zeta, eta, and theta? Or should it be pronounced like pita bread?
Liberals call everyone Nazis yet they are the closest thing to it.
From what I recall about Peloton(that's what the presenter called it), they wish to have a 14.8 TF/s scalable unit with 4x Infiniband interconnect. This scalable unit itself is more than half the power of Thunder(ranked 7 in Top 500) http://top500.org/lists/plists.php?Y=2005&M=06 They plan to have 16 such scalable units.
For those who are interested in the specs: Peloton is 16 SU with 236.5 TeraFLOP/s, 215 TiB memory, 5.0 PB global disk system with 6,720 SMPs and 48+24 = 72 IBA 4x DDR sw. Power is 4.05 MW.
It's probably short out Duluth.
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A computer that fast could nearly think!
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The best fighter that Tokyo has built so far is the F-2. It is based on decades-old technology called the American F-16. The F-2, ironically, is even more expensive than the F-15, another decades-old technology.
Beijing poses a grave threat to Australia, Japan, and other Western nations. In any conflict with Beijing, Tokyo must achieve air superiority. Frankly, the F-2 is unlikely to be adequate for the job even though the F-2 is the pride of the Japanese Self-Defense Force.
Tokyo should apply its incredible arsenal of home-grown computing power to designing the very best all-Japanese fighter. The key is air superiority against any Chinese or Korean threat. Further, the new Japanese jet fighter must be fast enough to intercept any Chinese strike against Australia. A new Japanese aircraft carrier (armed with these new Japanese fighters) patrolling near Australia should do the trick.
Just because I WANT to be a millionaire, doesn't mean it's going to happen. It's like the guy who spends everything he has on his girlfriend, only to lose both her and his job.
I thought the fastest supercomputer was the flux capacitor. You know, at the calculated moment, you start off from down the street driving toward the cable accelerating to 88 miles per hour. According to the flyer, at 10.04pm lightning will strike the clocktower sending 1.21 gigawatts into the flux-capacitor, sending you back to 1985.
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A computer that fast could nearly think!
Considering that 1 petaflop roughly= 1 brainsec (the amount of information processing that a typical human brain performs in one second), not only would this computer be fast enough to think, but it should be capable of simulating the brains of 9 human beings, or almost 73 slashdotters with a little bit of idle time on the side.
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A computer with a 500 teaflop capacity is able to produce a perfect cup of tea with just a hint of honey and milk in it in under 2 minutes, while still evading a Vogon fleet.
Unfortunately, it cannot run Linux.
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According to Sony's published specs, the PlayStation 3 will top that number easily!
More like Paedoflops. Sorry, that's the best I've got.
If you were to find yourself standing on the golden gate bridge, would you think "Well, somebody is going to jump, so I might as well do it."?
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HeHee, I wish I could break in this machine once it exists, and somehow get it do some some F@H for me :D
But in the US they have real goals with most of the super computers. Nuclear weapons research/testing is a popular one. Apparantly supercomputers are good enough these days to actually test current stockpiles via simulation. This is useful, given that the US is a signatory on a nuclear test-ban, which applies to actual detonations only (you can screw aroudn on camputers all you want, just no actual blowing up of weapons).
Weather modeling is another favourite.
As I understand it, all the Blue Gene series are targeted at organic modeling of one kind or another, protein folding, DNA research, etc.
Now maybe they don't NEED to be built, in the strict sense, but it seems they are just built for no reason. They have specific goals of what they want to try and do with them when they start work on them.
Not that the government doesn't do things purely to keep skills alive, that's more or less the reason for the US's new attack subs (Virgina class), and it's even been stated as such. They aren't building them very fast, since there's not a real need, but it's useful to slowly modernize the fleet, and you want to keep the industry around and skilled up, so you don't go through a crisis if you suddenly need to get more built.
However supercomputers do seem to have specific tasks in mind when they are built, they don't just seem to be being built to have big computers around.
"Blue Gene is capable of 136.8 teaflops" What the heck is a teaflop ? :)
Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes.
I propose that the submissions will be done in leet speak, this would make the spelling mistakes less noticeable .
Although F-2 cost a lot more then the F-16 will ever be, it did saved a lot of money on the initial R&D by adapting a good design, and F-2 is not a simply enlarged version of F-16, it did has a lot of innovation and locally designed components goes too.
Japanese's military traditionally try to build everything themselves either indigenous design or licensed design, and doing so they achieve technology independence, at the cost of hugely inflated cost.
It's the same for super computers too.
Do you honestly think the USA will let them? Remember pearl harbor? If anyone threatens Japan directly the USA will defiantly defend them. The US economy would be devastated if Japan were attacked.
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blue gene can spill 138 cups of tea a second wow!
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Nowadays the supercomputer contest is just a matter of who can buy the most Opteron PC's and Cisco routers from Newegg and connect them. You might as well buy a few million DVD's from Best Buy and say you have the world's largest hard drive.
Eventually small countries will connect all the computers of their entire population with distributed clients and call that the world's largest supercomputer.
This business of entering a command, waiting a minute for zillions of nodes across a slow network to start, and waiting another minute for all the nodes to finish is hardly what supercomputing used to be.
It would be more interesting to see who does the most work with the least latency or who does the most work with the simplest programming model. Anyone can write a massively parallel program to utilize every Opteron in the world but a computer which can do the same work sequentially seems like a much bigger step forward.
They'll probably turn it into some super hentai-server.
How the hell is this a troll?? It's useful, transforming the original statement from a semi-literate burble into an understandable form!
Seriously, you people need to learn to spell; communicating information is why language exists, and if you're unable to convey an idea in a sufficiently clear manner, then that renders you incompetent to convey information.
FIPS like MIPS is meaningless as alot of it is dependent on how many intructions it takes to calculate a result. If the CPUs are RISC based complex operations will take considerably longer than the same setup with CISC (and as for patern searching both would be slower than a similar speced ZISC set up!)
In the not too distant future, next Sunday A.D.
Are you insane?!! Japanese poses a threat to ALL of its Asian neighbors -- The Japanese Government, not the people. If you understand ANYTHING about the Japanese people & their governemnt, the HISTORY of the region, and OTHER Asian people and their history --- You wouldn't make such a blanketed and IDIOTIC statement you just did.
Can't some people GO OUTSIDE once in a while. Have a look. The rest of the world is "not out to get you" so you can put your MISSILES, NUKES, BIOLOGICAN & CHEMICAL weapons back in storage.
The rest of the world is trying to move towards peace --- Why must some people be constant war-mongers?!
I think the comparison between Petaflops and brainseconds is arbitrarily made and fundamentally flawed.
In pure calculating power computers have surpassed the human brain ages ago. I know nobody who can do a floating point operation in less then a second, much less 10 gazillion Flops. this is not the limiting factor for AI, though.
AI algorithms have to overcome the fact that they are based on digital technology. The brain is analogue. We think not black and white, zero or one, but in shades of grey.
It's a bit early for PlayStation 4 hype isn't it?
A pizza of radius z and thickness a has a volume of pi z z a
Actually it's only able to produce a liquid which is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea. That's why it's a teaflop: A failure to make tea.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
That is classic! I was going to reply with a similar comment about the runner beans giving the Lima beans a chance...
I want a girlfriend..
Imagine a Beowulf clu....
Sorry.
Do you actually doubt that the Japs could build better aircraft than the Americans if you let them? Maybe you should read up on some of the terms of surrender imposed on Japan after the war - there's no area of engineering that Japan couldn't beat the US in if it so desired.
It's time for kicking ass and chewing gum.
You have 0 gums in your inventory.
Exits are North, South, Down.
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measure supercomputers in logic inferences, not in floating point operations. We can hardly build an AI from nuclear simulations or weather maps.
There you are, staring at me again.
Am I the only one who read the headline and thought, "Why the hell are the japanese wanting 10 supercomputers?"
I just figured they wanted to hold the world's fastest LAN party.
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Wow, this list moves fast. Last time I checked (admittedly about a year ago), the earth simulator was flogging everyone.
You would really be on to something :)
If you put honey in milky tea it tastes like something died in the cup.
Fructose is the stuff - sweetness without the burn.
Only a matter of time before the Singularity is set to exponentially increase our scientific growth and knowledge. This recent news just conforms to predictions that (source wikepedia.org) by 2013 computing will outreach that of the Human brain.
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Japan should learn the valuable lesson between 'want' and 'need'.
Come on japan. yesterday you begged me for five bucks for taco-bell. today you're belly-aching how you want to buy that Futurama dvd.
I'm sick of you nickel and dimeing me to death. If you don't quit it we're not going to hang anymore.
Yes japanese has always been fascinated with speed !
Chris ,
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"Current fastest [publically ackknowledged] supercomputer is the partially finished Blue Gene is capable of 136.8 teaflops and the target when finished is 360 teraflops."
Cue the 'but does it run linux?' comments ...
Japan wants to develop a supercomputer that can operate at 10 petaflops
. . . they are tired of being slashdotted.
10 Petaflops? Why, that's barely half what Sony has claimed the PS3 will be capable of...
Petaflops is so early 21st century. Got to talk in exaflops now.
I havent seen this lame joke in while.
well it makes you think what the dept of energy and nnsa want with such a monster..... i don't know.. with that much parallel computing... leaves you to wonder? hmm....... i always like watching the ppl through my tv :)
No...
You MUST read the journals and reports in super computing field
at the time of ESC appears in Japan. US researchers were hysteric
about "We don't have bigger penis". Meanwhile Japanese researchers
was quite on their pace saying "This is for world peace, everyone?"
I'm sure You got the as small as US researchers but your ego is huge...
Do these fastest super computer claims take into account grid or other distributed computing? An example that comes to mind is the computers running SETI@home could be thought of as a SETI@home super computer. It would only be fair to include such "virtual" super computers for a true comparison.
How about microprocessors?
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
The reason that computer vision isn't a reality is that everyone has approached it the wrong damned way. I am also an AI researcher and I have the solution to computer vision. The answer is computer imagination.
Think of it as a guessing game (and please watch yourself do the same thing). Imagine that there is a feedback loop within the Computer Vision AI. First, it takes the images from it's sensors and does a first-pass using traditional techniques. Second, it uses that first pass to provide hints to form a 3D computer model of what it is seeing. It renders the model and compares against what it sees. From the point of first comparison, we must use a combination of hill-climbing and a noisy search (such as a constrained genetic algorithm) to attempt to identify models to be included and refine the 3D model that represents the current scene. The goal is to get the rendered scene to match the perceived scene by making informed guesses and refining the model. The result, after enough iterations, is a reasonably accurate semantic representation of what is being perceived. Like human vision, this type of computer vision will never be 100% accurate (unless the models in the database are complete and the system is provided with large numbers of brain-sec cycles to figure the complete scene out), but it doesn't need to be 100% accurate to correctly analyze the most important elements in it's vision.
Humans do something very similar to this, and our feedback mechanism includes very complex analysis (Is that Joe? I can't see his full profile, but that looks like his nose.. No... That's not Joe, his chin is pointier... Maybe that's his brother?)
For AI, always think IMAGINATION and COMPARISON, FEEDBACK, EMERGENT COMPLEXITY and FRACTAL PROCESSING (Meaning that processing networks are combined to form more powerful processing networks in combinatorial patterns that are self-similar at different zooms).
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