When just anybody can pick up a guitar and make something reasonably listenable, it means there is a whole lot of really shit, musically uninteresting crap produced
I beg to disagree. It means that you get a lively culture where people can express themselves quickly, and by this virtue the music has often more to do with life today. Yes, there is much crap, but there is also much crap if you listen to the lay classical orchestra staffed by the local music school.
But there is also stuff like, dunno, let's take Nirvana as an example. Certainly not very difficult music, but with an immediate power, it spoke from and to the hearts of ordinary youths and captured a moment.
While in classical (and nowadays unfortunately even jazz, I'm looking at you, Wynton), you often end up with lifeless robots reproducing music from hundreds of years ago. The music is beautiful and important, and the guys are incredible, but the music and the guys are so far removed from me, that it doesn't really tell me all that much.
And worse, if there is no body of really great music to apply the robotics to, you get even worse things
Agreed insofar as the burning of the library was also a great loss, but mainly of what is now considered "classical" stuff, e.g., greek.
Disagreed insofar as that does not mean I'm "off". I was merely talking about something else, namely the extermination of the knowledge of the celtic, germanic, etc. cultures. This did still happen even though it was not the only event in which knowledge was lost, as you rightly pointed out.
E.g., most of the knowledge about the healing and other properties of local European plants was lost during the Middle Ages.
I'm also intrigued by the idea, and am not even sure why it's supposed to be so unlikely. Homo Sapiens existed for probably at least 200,000 years with the same physiological capacities as today. I don't really see why a development at least to the level of ancient Egypt should have occurred only once during the last 10,000 of the available years. There is some evidence (not so good link for Sudanese pyramid-building cultures predating Egypt, whose architectural remains were discovered not long ago, and are in pretty bad shape. A culture a few thousand years older could easily have vanished completely.
After the Middle Ages, LOTS of stuff had to be rediscovered (often badly, often not at all) that was well-known before the christian churches destroyed or locked up "pagan" knowledge and killed the people in the know.
I imagine that many people were willing to risk their lives
Exactly my thought. In fact whenever I see dental equipment from hundreds of years ago in a museum (or the odd dentist who likes to showcase it in his waiting room), I believe to be able to infer the amount of dental pain the patients suffered from the instruments they allowed to be used to help them.
Drilling a hole into a tooth with a foot pedal-powered drill, then pouring molten lead into the cavity must have been better than the toothache. Aaargh!
You know, I actually like that somewhat. Not because of "sticking it to MS", but because part of the settlement was that MS gave them the right to distribute windows codecs. And I just have to think that this was Linspire's plan all along.
You call me a liar, but then confirm what I said - the need to make the stuff work yourself. Make up your mind. Which one did you download and install and it "just worked"
You said in the GP: 'It takes days just to track down compatible versions of RPMs to make it work. Then you have to deal with the "no two linuxes are alike as far as where the files are" problems'
You don't express yourself very clearly here, but you can only mean that it is hard to find an installer package of OpenNMS itself, or that it's hard to find its dependencies. Finding the package itself obviously is not hard, since they are all on the site. Finding the dependencies should be either a no brainer or simple for the supported distributions if the OpenNMS packages work.
I have no idea if the packages work, but there is no reason why they shouldn't. That's why I said that if they don't, you should inform the OpenNMS guys. "There is no one that ensures that stuff works" is simply not true, as others have pointed out in this thread: the distros do that. OpenNMS should work with them.
As for trolling, I don't. It's just that you wrote so many false things in this one post that I kinda flew off the handle. If I look at the thread, I'm not the only one. Oh, well, you're my freak no anyway:)
The reason for the installation is OpenNMS. It is an XML/Java based app. It takes days just to track down compatible versions of RPMs to make it work. Then you have to deal with the "no two linuxes are alike as far as where the files are" problems.
I find that actually pretty impressive. If the packages they create for the distros don't work, contact OpenNMS. Their software is GPL, so there should be no problem creating working packages distributable by the distros themselves if they choose. (Ubuntu Dapper at least has none)
I don't want to start a flame war, but that isn't something I worry about with MS. Not that there isn't an occasional problem, but significantly less of a chance for problems than in OSS. And that is because a huge amount of time and money is spent insuring every product runs out of the box.
I can only imagine 3 possibilities: * You live in a fairy land I have no access to * You have no experience with MS software * You are a paid MS astroturfer
I just tried it serveral times in Firefox 1.5.0.1 on Ubuntu Dapper, and it works there. Not only do I have tab completion, the text field even pops up a chooser list to help resolve ambiguities.
I don't see it that way. To me it's more like IBM's research labs. Enable people to run with their ideas, and eventually usable stuff will come out of it.
Nobody in the FSF ever said that it is simple to make money off free software, and they are very aware of the fact that the environment is in many parts still hostile. In the conservancy's case, I guess it's about helping free software grow despite this hostility. You only see it as a charity because it's free software and you are predisposed to see it that way, otherwise, why would you have said "the FSF has been yelling" in the OP.
Nobody calls Smart a charity financed by DaimlerChrysler, although Smart never made money. It's about long-term strategy.
I'm not sure they ever made that claim. That you are allowed to, yes, That you can serives on top, yes. That it will be easy licensing the free software itself for a fee, no. Anyway, I'll say "RedHat".
and that you can make a living writing Free Software
Countless people
So why now the turnabout? Why are key members of the FSF now impliying that Free Software needs to be a charity case
Ther is no turnabout. For a variety of reasons, not all free software projects can get the necessary funding, especially in the beginning- in fact, most can not. This as such does not make them any less viable or at least desireable from a user's point of view, and if you want to see a flourishing free software ecosystem.
Just like the fact (in and of itself) that many proprietary software companies/projects do not make money for a long time and depend on corporate funding does not make these projects any more viable.
In fact, nowadays sewing patterns are created with specialist CAD software, with the resulting files directly fed to the manufacturing machines. I don't know about Hilfinger, but, e.g., a suit can get pretty complex by itself, and if you factor different sizes, etc., you can imagine that much complexity can be reduced this way. Examples: this, this, and this
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I've never liked that "security measure" in mac os x or ubuntu
As far as Ubuntu is concerned (dunno about OSX) it never was about security, or at least not in an abstract way, "what's more secure: root or sudo?". This is one of those myths that get perpetuated on mailing lists,/. and whatnot and drive me crazy. Someone misunderstood, and since then the myths refuses to die. Everyone writing about this topic should be forced to read the article on Ubuntu Wiki
Sudo in Ubuntu was done for one thing: convenience. The user (assumed to be dumb, and rightly so) should only have password. The system would ask (via gksudo) for this one password whenever it needs admin access. Now, in the case of a dumb user who who doesn't graps the root concept, I do believe that sudo is more secure, but that is a side effect.
Strangely enough, in a lot of countries most people have never tried any illegal drugs
Is that because they are not illegal? I don't doubt that contries with idiotic draconian laws qualify (Singapore,...), but do you have any references that support what you say for any other countries?
Maybe not Amazon, but who knows? It's not unheard of that companies would engage in such things.
Auschwitz III and satellite camps
The surrounding satellite work camps were closely connected to German industry and were associated with arms factories, foundries and mines. The largest work camp was Auschwitz III Monowitz, named after the Polish village of Monowice. Starting operations in May 1942, it was associated with the synthetic rubber and liquid fuel plant Buna-Werke owned by IG Farben. In regular intervals, doctors from Auschwitz II would visit the work camps and select the weak and sick for the gas chambers of Birkenau. The largest subcamps were built at Trzebinia, Bleechammer and Althammer. Female subcamps were constructed at Budy , Plawy, Zabrze, Gleiwitz I, II, III, Rajsko and at Lichtenwerden.
a very unhealthy look on what sex is and on what constitutes a healthy sexual relationship.
It might freak you out, but let me tell you a secret: there are lots of girls who love to have "a fist down each hole" (your words), whether it offends you or not. You are free to not take part/miss out, as you undoubtedly already discovered.
The only question here is whether the particular girl in the movie has those fists in there volutarily. If she does and likes it, it is good porn. If she does and doesn't care/hate it, it's bad porn. If she's not voluteering, it's a crime and other laws are already in place to cover that.
And then there is the question of whether her social status forces her to do it volutarily, but hey, it's the US, most people obviously don't care about their fellow countrymen's educational or economic situation.
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When just anybody can pick up a guitar and make something reasonably listenable, it means there is a whole lot of really shit, musically uninteresting crap produced
I beg to disagree. It means that you get a lively culture where people can express themselves quickly, and by this virtue the music has often more to do with life today. Yes, there is much crap, but there is also much crap if you listen to the lay classical orchestra staffed by the local music school.
But there is also stuff like, dunno, let's take Nirvana as an example. Certainly not very difficult music, but with an immediate power, it spoke from and to the hearts of ordinary youths and captured a moment.
While in classical (and nowadays unfortunately even jazz, I'm looking at you, Wynton), you often end up with lifeless robots reproducing music from hundreds of years ago. The music is beautiful and important, and the guys are incredible, but the music and the guys are so far removed from me, that it doesn't really tell me all that much.
And worse, if there is no body of really great music to apply the robotics to, you get even worse things
Agreed insofar as the burning of the library was also a great loss, but mainly of what is now considered "classical" stuff, e.g., greek.
Disagreed insofar as that does not mean I'm "off". I was merely talking about something else, namely the extermination of the knowledge of the celtic, germanic, etc. cultures. This did still happen even though it was not the only event in which knowledge was lost, as you rightly pointed out.
E.g., most of the knowledge about the healing and other properties of local European plants was lost during the Middle Ages.
In most cases, the dosage makes the poison. See drugs (legal and illegal). Re hemlock, look here, for example.
Yeah, in reality it's very unlikely
I'm also intrigued by the idea, and am not even sure why it's supposed to be so unlikely. Homo Sapiens existed for probably at least 200,000 years with the same physiological capacities as today. I don't really see why a development at least to the level of ancient Egypt should have occurred only once during the last 10,000 of the available years.
There is some evidence (not so good link for Sudanese pyramid-building cultures predating Egypt, whose architectural remains were discovered not long ago, and are in pretty bad shape. A culture a few thousand years older could easily have vanished completely.
As late as the 18th century or so
After the Middle Ages, LOTS of stuff had to be rediscovered (often badly, often not at all) that was well-known before the christian churches destroyed or locked up "pagan" knowledge and killed the people in the know.
I imagine that many people were willing to risk their lives
Exactly my thought. In fact whenever I see dental equipment from hundreds of years ago in a museum (or the odd dentist who likes to showcase it in his waiting room), I believe to be able to infer the amount of dental pain the patients suffered from the instruments they allowed to be used to help them.
Drilling a hole into a tooth with a foot pedal-powered drill, then pouring molten lead into the cavity must have been better than the toothache. Aaargh!
stepping on Microsoft's trademark
You know, I actually like that somewhat. Not because of "sticking it to MS", but because part of the settlement was that MS gave them the right to distribute windows codecs. And I just have to think that this was Linspire's plan all along.
it's got all of those features
Important difference: There is no US-legal solution for CSS'ed DVDs in Xandros
You call me a liar, but then confirm what I said - the need to make the stuff work yourself. Make up your mind. Which one did you download and install and it "just worked"
:)
You said in the GP: 'It takes days just to track down compatible versions of RPMs to make it work. Then you have to deal with the "no two linuxes are alike as far as where the files are" problems'
You don't express yourself very clearly here, but you can only mean that it is hard to find an installer package of OpenNMS itself, or that it's hard to find its dependencies. Finding the package itself obviously is not hard, since they are all on the site. Finding the dependencies should be either a no brainer or simple for the supported distributions if the OpenNMS packages work.
I have no idea if the packages work, but there is no reason why they shouldn't. That's why I said that if they don't, you should inform the OpenNMS guys. "There is no one that ensures that stuff works" is simply not true, as others have pointed out in this thread: the distros do that. OpenNMS should work with them.
As for trolling, I don't. It's just that you wrote so many false things in this one post that I kinda flew off the handle. If I look at the thread, I'm not the only one. Oh, well, you're my freak no anyway
The reason for the installation is OpenNMS. It is an XML/Java based app. It takes days just to track down compatible versions of RPMs to make it work. Then you have to deal with the "no two linuxes are alike as far as where the files are" problems.
On their website, OpenNMS offers downloads for the following OSes:
CentOS 3, 4: rpm
Debian Woody, Sarge, Sid: deb
Fedora Core 1-10: rpm
Mandrake 8, 9.2, 10: rpm
RedHat 7-9, RHEL 3, 4: rpm
Solaris 8, 9, 10: gz
SuSE 8, 9, 10: rpm
Plus source in tar.gz
I find that actually pretty impressive. If the packages they create for the distros don't work, contact OpenNMS. Their software is GPL, so there should be no problem creating working packages distributable by the distros themselves if they choose. (Ubuntu Dapper at least has none)
I don't want to start a flame war, but that isn't something I worry about with MS. Not that there isn't an occasional problem, but significantly less of a chance for problems than in OSS. And that is because a huge amount of time and money is spent insuring every product runs out of the box.
I can only imagine 3 possibilities:
* You live in a fairy land I have no access to
* You have no experience with MS software
* You are a paid MS astroturfer
Simple QA at best is all you can hope for, not a year of open beta.
No, you surely can't
I just tried it serveral times in Firefox 1.5.0.1 on Ubuntu Dapper, and it works there. Not only do I have tab completion, the text field even pops up a chooser list to help resolve ambiguities.
I don't see it that way. To me it's more like IBM's research labs. Enable people to run with their ideas, and eventually usable stuff will come out of it.
Nobody in the FSF ever said that it is simple to make money off free software, and they are very aware of the fact that the environment is in many parts still hostile. In the conservancy's case, I guess it's about helping free software grow despite this hostility. You only see it as a charity because it's free software and you are predisposed to see it that way, otherwise, why would you have said "the FSF has been yelling" in the OP.
Nobody calls Smart a charity financed by DaimlerChrysler, although Smart never made money. It's about long-term strategy.
Free Software is not hostile to commerce
Google
that you can sell Free Software
I'm not sure they ever made that claim. That you are allowed to, yes, That you can serives on top, yes. That it will be easy licensing the free software itself for a fee, no.
Anyway, I'll say "RedHat".
and that you can make a living writing Free Software
Countless people
So why now the turnabout? Why are key members of the FSF now impliying that Free Software needs to be a charity case
Ther is no turnabout. For a variety of reasons, not all free software projects can get the necessary funding, especially in the beginning- in fact, most can not. This as such does not make them any less viable or at least desireable from a user's point of view, and if you want to see a flourishing free software ecosystem.
Just like the fact (in and of itself) that many proprietary software companies/projects do not make money for a long time and depend on corporate funding does not make these projects any more viable.
Yeah, I knew someone would remark on that. It was left over after some editing :(
said a few words to God 'Just in case'
In most churches, trying to take advantage of God with such a cheap trick is a surefire way to purgatorium.
There are a ton of people on Slashdot who believe that companies like Microsoft hire PR people specifically to post in forums
/. who believe that.
I think there are more than 3 people on
In fact, nowadays sewing patterns are created with specialist CAD software, with the resulting files directly fed to the manufacturing machines. I don't know about Hilfinger, but, e.g., a suit can get pretty complex by itself, and if you factor different sizes, etc., you can imagine that much complexity can be reduced this way.
Examples: this, this, and this
I've never liked that "security measure" in mac os x or ubuntu
/. and whatnot and drive me crazy. Someone misunderstood, and since then the myths refuses to die. Everyone writing about this topic should be forced to read the article on Ubuntu Wiki
As far as Ubuntu is concerned (dunno about OSX) it never was about security, or at least not in an abstract way, "what's more secure: root or sudo?". This is one of those myths that get perpetuated on mailing lists,
Sudo in Ubuntu was done for one thing: convenience. The user (assumed to be dumb, and rightly so) should only have password. The system would ask (via gksudo) for this one password whenever it needs admin access. Now, in the case of a dumb user who who doesn't graps the root concept, I do believe that sudo is more secure, but that is a side effect.
Strangely enough, in a lot of countries most people have never tried any illegal drugs
...), but do you have any references that support what you say for any other countries?
Is that because they are not illegal?
I don't doubt that contries with idiotic draconian laws qualify (Singapore,
Both groups can be confused for all I care.
What can I say? Idiot.
a very unhealthy look on what sex is and on what constitutes a healthy sexual relationship.
It might freak you out, but let me tell you a secret: there are lots of girls who love to have "a fist down each hole" (your words), whether it offends you or not. You are free to not take part/miss out, as you undoubtedly already discovered.
The only question here is whether the particular girl in the movie has those fists in there volutarily. If she does and likes it, it is good porn. If she does and doesn't care/hate it, it's bad porn. If she's not voluteering, it's a crime and other laws are already in place to cover that.
And then there is the question of whether her social status forces her to do it volutarily, but hey, it's the US, most people obviously don't care about their fellow countrymen's educational or economic situation.
FarmSex.com, SluttyLolitas.com, AnalMasochist,com... will not and will keep popping up in your browser
I don't know where you browse, but neither site (and no similar one) has ever popped anything up for me in > 10 years on the net.
If someone popped up tits in my face, it was my local yellowpress newspaper. So don't confuse people with weird sexual desires and sleazy spammers.