Besides, business rules differ from culture to culture, and what is fine in one does not have to be in the other. Doesn't mean anyone has the "right" approach
Don't know. MS gave a ca. 50% rebate when GNU/Linux came into play. As a customer, I would feel ripped off, and I can well understand that one decides not to want to have to do anything with this vedor in the future.
However, money was not so much involved in the decision. The study and decision papers are online. After the rebate offered, MS was the cheaper solution in the short term, but Munich weighed independence of public data and long-term saves more heavily
First, as another poster already pointed out, you are a racist.
Second, the point made by the parent of my post was that these things don't happen. That it was Apple's FUD that installing christmas gifts could destroy christmas. My example showed that it does happen. And i can assure you that my nephew did not say, "oh these were not MS's programmers, so it doesn't matter". The PC was hosed, no matter what. Plus, the joystick had a "Designed for WinXP" Logo, and the driver was certified by MS. As a consumer, I would take this as proof that MS has tested it, and that it is as good as a MS-developed driver. After all, they stand with their name and brand for it. I am fairly confident that these things happen much less often in Apple-world, if at all. And in 8 years of using Linux, I have never ever had something like this happen, and I surely have played around with kernel stuff more in Linux than I have in Windows, not always with a clue. And Linux's modules are not all written by Linus himself either.
You have a point with restore points and rescue disk - but then,/I/ didn't install the driver, it was done by my nephew and his dad -- exactly the target audience of Win XP Home, which MS says the Windows is ready for. Well, it is not
I see your point, but there ar e so many big IFs there that it scares me. And even if a departmental mail server makes sense in a given environment, I would be tempted to use the "can setup a Unix-style config" as a yardstick for which persons are allowed to do it. Mind you, I am not talking about sendmail config files here. But choosing one of the 4 options given by eximconfig in Debian and answering a few questions should be within the skill reach of the person allowed to do the setup:)
Don't know, my nephew installed a driver for a force-feedback joystick I had bought him for birthday (XP Home). It then would not reboot. I said that I don't do Win support, mainly because I have no clue about Win whatsoever. A friend of my sis's who is a CS guy working for a very big Windows shop tried for 2 hours, then delivering the verdict: reinstall
My client networks don't have virus problems. They don't have spyware problems
Which must be just another way of saying "my client networks don't have users with internet access". I work at a big and rich company with intelligent staff and an ok IT department. One day we decided to run adaware onthe department PCs. Ha! No spyware, who are you kidding?
Not aimed at you, I was just in search for a gconf-editor post to attach to:)
What I find amazing in all the gnome discussions lately is that there is a class of (non-)users who assert:
1.) Nautilus in spatial mode sucks. I love to browse my filesystem. I am an expert, and I really get deep hierarchies. I have everything ordered by categories branching out to more categories, so that I find my stuff easily
2.) gconf-editor is a piece of shit. It is a mess of incomprehensible hierarchies and I can't find anything in it.
Frankly, I don't get how the 2 opinions go together
When I'm installing testing, I always use pins and default-release as explained here. This way, if a security problem is fixed in sid, or you really really want the newest version of a particular thing now, you can always "apt-get install package/unstable" to pull the one package from unstable, and if this fails due to dependencies, "apt-get -t unstable install package" to pull the package and its dependencies from unstable for this one time.
Hm, it was not a question. And personally I think that he is right. MS is not a "real" company. No "real" company makes, what, 40% profit on their products, and has 95% of the market cornered
At the Wizards of OS conference this year, Eben Moglen told several long stories aside from the official talks. One of them was about when he had a meeting with MS's strategy group that deals with Free Software. He said that after a long fruitless discussion, he simply asked (paraphrased), "why the heck don't you just GPL Windows? Make it clear that you are serious by getting somebody on the board we trust. Give him a big share package, so that it is clear you can't back out easily. And then play by the rules. Nobody would say anything against you, you would be just a normal citizen. With your money and manpower, you could decide in which direction Free Software moves, and nobody would have a problem with it. People would still buy Windows from you - and on top you could still offer proprietary stuff, while getting rid of all the negative press." To which the MS guys, with a serious voice and without a moment's hesitation, only replied, "this we will never do"
However, many people buy a computer with Windows installed, and 2 years later are fed up and put Linux on it. I know it was so for me, many moons ago. OR they buy a new one for the desktop, again with Windows, but put Linux on the old one and use it as a server. Both cases are listed as "Windows license sold", but not as "actually running Linux"
Yeah, go ahead with another straw man, I'm used to it by now. I am not so much opposed to Rand's utopia, it sounds fun. However, it assumes god-like characters of the industrialists, which is just bad writing. Over 1200 pages and, what, 20 years, her heros do not a single step wrong, well maybe Hank in his attitude to his desires. Not even a business misstep. Sorry, looking at industrialists, I fail to see anywhere a Francisco, Dagny, John, Hank. All I see is people like Gates or Trump or Murdoch. And those aren't even serene or solemn all the time, as they should according to Rand. Making so broad and demonstrably false assumptions about the characters, it ain't too hard to write similarly glowing socialist utopias, and has been done.
And can you tell me why all the industrialists are into dominance/submission sex? And why, while she trumpets her will to dominate all the time, whenever Dagny has sex, her only wish is to submit?
Please note that I referred to Ayn Rand's drivel as straw man arguments. I am not in any way endorsing it. Yes, I have just finished Atlas Shrugged, and I want to puke. Although, I don't rule out that blowing up mountains is sometimes a good thing.
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I can't believe that you call 4.7 the last decent Netscape. 4.7 was the piece of shit that finally buried the company, and everyone I know hated it
Yeah, same for those unfounded Contergan scares.
Why is it hilarious, when in fact RMS costs 200 to 350 USD/hour when you hire him for consulting work?
Besides, business rules differ from culture to culture, and what is fine in one does not have to be in the other. Doesn't mean anyone has the "right" approach
Don't know. MS gave a ca. 50% rebate when GNU/Linux came into play. As a customer, I would feel ripped off, and I can well understand that one decides not to want to have to do anything with this vedor in the future.
However, money was not so much involved in the decision. The study and decision papers are online. After the rebate offered, MS was the cheaper solution in the short term, but Munich weighed independence of public data and long-term saves more heavily
First, as another poster already pointed out, you are a racist.
/I/ didn't install the driver, it was done by my nephew and his dad -- exactly the target audience of Win XP Home, which MS says the Windows is ready for. Well, it is not
Second, the point made by the parent of my post was that these things don't happen. That it was Apple's FUD that installing christmas gifts could destroy christmas. My example showed that it does happen. And i can assure you that my nephew did not say, "oh these were not MS's programmers, so it doesn't matter". The PC was hosed, no matter what. Plus, the joystick had a "Designed for WinXP" Logo, and the driver was certified by MS. As a consumer, I would take this as proof that MS has tested it, and that it is as good as a MS-developed driver. After all, they stand with their name and brand for it.
I am fairly confident that these things happen much less often in Apple-world, if at all. And in 8 years of using Linux, I have never ever had something like this happen, and I surely have played around with kernel stuff more in Linux than I have in Windows, not always with a clue. And Linux's modules are not all written by Linus himself either.
You have a point with restore points and rescue disk - but then,
I see your point, but there ar e so many big IFs there that it scares me. And even if a departmental mail server makes sense in a given environment, I would be tempted to use the "can setup a Unix-style config" as a yardstick for which persons are allowed to do it. Mind you, I am not talking about sendmail config files here. But choosing one of the 4 options given by eximconfig in Debian and answering a few questions should be within the skill reach of the person allowed to do the setup :)
Don't know, my nephew installed a driver for a force-feedback joystick I had bought him for birthday (XP Home). It then would not reboot. I said that I don't do Win support, mainly because I have no clue about Win whatsoever. A friend of my sis's who is a CS guy working for a very big Windows shop tried for 2 hours, then delivering the verdict: reinstall
My client networks don't have virus problems. They don't have spyware problems
Which must be just another way of saying "my client networks don't have users with internet access". I work at a big and rich company with intelligent staff and an ok IT department. One day we decided to run adaware onthe department PCs. Ha! No spyware, who are you kidding?
There IS a target market for "point, click, and shoot foot", as long as the damage to the foot is minimal
Mail servers are a baaaad example to make your point. Somebody who sets up a mail server should know what he's doing, period
Big deal, it will probably be a week until 0.9.x is on backports.org
Not aimed at you, I was just in search for a gconf-editor post to attach to :)
What I find amazing in all the gnome discussions lately is that there is a class of (non-)users who assert:
1.) Nautilus in spatial mode sucks. I love to browse my filesystem. I am an expert, and I really get deep hierarchies. I have everything ordered by categories branching out to more categories, so that I find my stuff easily
2.) gconf-editor is a piece of shit. It is a mess of incomprehensible hierarchies and I can't find anything in it.
Frankly, I don't get how the 2 opinions go together
I think the fam issue has been already fixed in Gnome 2.6. At least, I saw this often in 2.4, and it went away when upgradin to 2.6 (Debian sarge)
That's an issue of your locales I think
poorly documented my ass.
When I'm installing testing, I always use pins and default-release as explained here. This way, if a security problem is fixed in sid, or you really really want the newest version of a particular thing now, you can always "apt-get install package/unstable" to pull the one package from unstable, and if this fails due to dependencies, "apt-get -t unstable install package" to pull the package and its dependencies from unstable for this one time.
Hm, it was not a question. And personally I think that he is right. MS is not a "real" company. No "real" company makes, what, 40% profit on their products, and has 95% of the market cornered
Yeah, I realized that what I wrote has nothing to to with the story after I had posted. :)
At the Wizards of OS conference this year, Eben Moglen told several long stories aside from the official talks. One of them was about when he had a meeting with MS's strategy group that deals with Free Software. He said that after a long fruitless discussion, he simply asked (paraphrased), "why the heck don't you just GPL Windows? Make it clear that you are serious by getting somebody on the board we trust. Give him a big share package, so that it is clear you can't back out easily. And then play by the rules. Nobody would say anything against you, you would be just a normal citizen. With your money and manpower, you could decide in which direction Free Software moves, and nobody would have a problem with it. People would still buy Windows from you - and on top you could still offer proprietary stuff, while getting rid of all the negative press."
To which the MS guys, with a serious voice and without a moment's hesitation, only replied, "this we will never do"
However, many people buy a computer with Windows installed, and 2 years later are fed up and put Linux on it. I know it was so for me, many moons ago. OR they buy a new one for the desktop, again with Windows, but put Linux on the old one and use it as a server. Both cases are listed as "Windows license sold", but not as "actually running Linux"
I always wonder, doesn't the simple fact that at least one other person invented the same thing kind of prove that it was obvious?
Yeah, go ahead with another straw man, I'm used to it by now.
I am not so much opposed to Rand's utopia, it sounds fun. However, it assumes god-like characters of the industrialists, which is just bad writing. Over 1200 pages and, what, 20 years, her heros do not a single step wrong, well maybe Hank in his attitude to his desires. Not even a business misstep. Sorry, looking at industrialists, I fail to see anywhere a Francisco, Dagny, John, Hank. All I see is people like Gates or Trump or Murdoch. And those aren't even serene or solemn all the time, as they should according to Rand.
Making so broad and demonstrably false assumptions about the characters, it ain't too hard to write similarly glowing socialist utopias, and has been done.
And can you tell me why all the industrialists are into dominance/submission sex? And why, while she trumpets her will to dominate all the time, whenever Dagny has sex, her only wish is to submit?
Please note that I referred to Ayn Rand's drivel as straw man arguments. I am not in any way endorsing it. Yes, I have just finished Atlas Shrugged, and I want to puke.
Although, I don't rule out that blowing up mountains is sometimes a good thing.
Not first language yadayada. straw man
Fair point.