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Netscape 7.2 Released
scottfi writes "America Online has just released Netscape 7.2. Based on Mozilla 1.7, this latest version features better popup blocking, vCard support, an improved junk mail algorithm, better standards support, performance enhancements and several hundred other bug fixes. It also includes patches for recent security vulnerabilities. It is a little over a year since AOL shut down the Netscape browser division, laid off or reassigned the remaining engineers and withdrew from the day to day running of mozilla.org. At the time, they said that new versions of Netscape were unlikely. Earlier this year, they changed their minds and announced Netscape 7.2. More details about Netscape 7.2 are available at Netscape Browser Central, together with download links."
is awesome
This is probably the last, dying gasp from the browser & brand that really did change the world.
"I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey
With the success of the Mozilla project, I fail to see why anyone would bother running Netscape anymore....
Don't Tread on Me
If AOL laid off all the Netscape engineers, then who made this release?
Releasing new versions from beyond the grave!
this latest version features better popup blocking, vCard support, an improved junk mail algorithm, better standards support, performance enhancements and several hundred other bug fixes.
But alas, all of the other AOL "bonuses" counteracted the new features.
Does it include a feature to allow right-mouse button clicking even if a web page's code disables it?
I jumped the gun when I saw the article display. It installed quickly, renders pages quickly, but - just like Mozilla or Firefox - runs into all the same problems for sites designed with IE in mind (missing menu bars, etc)
However, it's VERY lightweight (11.5MB installer for Windows), and the memory footprint is about 35% smaller than IE for the same page.
Nice.
Aside from being a propreitary product, what does netscape bring to the table that Mozilla does not?
I say, jones, this article sounds kind of familiar...
This is good. There is still a lot of brand recognition left with Netscape (suprisingly). Sometimes people feel happier using a newer version of a product they know (Netscape), as opposed to a product they _think_ they don't know (Mozilla / Firefox).
The release of Netscape helps in moving these people to a decent, secure browser. I think that Netscape no longer justifies the Nutscrape moniker it aquired in the later 4.x days.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
While I suppose it is kinda nice that they let the Netscape name live on, as a brower atleast, there really isn't a whole lot of reason for them to do so. I'm pretty sure that Mozilla/Firefox usage far exceeds the usage of Netscape 6/7. On ther other hand I suppose it's nice for anyone who actually needs that AOL garbage or who can't convince that PHB to go with a brower that destroyed Tokyo...
but whats the point? And what about the Netscape dialup service? Did they launch that?
The text you refer to is still in the original place. If nothing is removed or taken, it is not stolen. I think the RIAA has really brainwashed you so that "stealing" means everything other than actual stealing.
I think that like many multi-nationals, AOL thought that OSS / Linux / Microsoft alternatives would never take off, that Microsoft would vanquish the evil free-software-movement. I think that they have decided that might not be the way things go, and they want to be still in the game.
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
While Netscape is in my heart (well prior to AOL corrupting my teenage fav program) unfortunately netscape 4.7 was the last decent netscape. IE was so integrated that it flew past netscape :(
But in all honesty -why would I use netscape over firefox? Is there an advantage?
I mod down so you can mod up. Your welcome.
If a tree falls in the forest, and there's nobody around to hear it...
I wonder if this is WinXP SP2 compatible? I suspect that it is since Mozilla 1.x has been working for me with SP2 installed, but I wouldn't put it past MS to stick it to Netscape one more time.
"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a fat white guy who is threatened by change."
Anybody know how to get the "Search" sidebar tab to use Google?
Apperently 7.2 only knows about Netscape's engine.
DG
Want to learn about race cars? Read my Book
If a browser is available for download, and nobody downloads it, it is really released?
Netscape family is like the Griffeys of baseball, the offspring is infinitely better then the parent.
Probably some of the smartest and most capable engineers and designers in the industry, who produced probably the most famous and symbolic product of the early Internet, and all that's left is a web page of farewell messages.
It isn't hard to notice the first priority was that everyone should be fired. THEN and ONLY then was the next version of the browser considered, after all the logos were taken off the buildings and the desks moved out, of course.
I find it very interesting how the early Internet is always referred to as "dot com", as if business and the media are straining to make it a pejorative. All that creativity and CAPITALISM generated great wealth for dozens of economies. Ebay, Amazon, etc. are all publically traded, profitable companies that wouldn't exist without the Internet.
But it seems that now since the checks have all been cashed, there's no room left for the people who built it, and that's a shame.
Business isn't willing to pay for products, innovation and careers, so we get brands, mortgage commercials and layoffs.
Remeber us, were AOL and have a hell of a lot of subscribers, oh and BTW we own Netscape which is a little more secure than the browser we currently ship with our software.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
I like to use Frank's Spacehorse as my browser.
/Firefox with Firesomething
Its all in the name. However crappy the software might be its name could have a push. If a non-techie was given a choice between mozilla and Netscape(which basically are the same) which one do you think they would choose? Sure mozilla has been heard in the news and articles, still Netscape was there for a loooooooooooong time.
having said that netscape is a bloatware. It used to be gold so to speak.
"Never fear, Atl-PrintScreen will still save all the pr0n you're viewing"
Thanks for the tip. I can't find the Atl key, however. I think it is something that Packard-Bell removed from the keyboard of my machine to save money, just like that "any key" that instructions always tell me about, but I don't have either.
Seriously, I mainly use the right-click to open links in a new page, to make up for the fact that no browser seems to handle the "back" button very well.
global search and replace: mozilla -> netscape
I'm still using Firebird, because I've been too preoccupied to keep up. Wasn't there some issue with one of the names conflicting with the database system? Is it Phoenix, or has that been confused a BIOS of the same name and they're moving on to another?
Here's a thought! They just found a a previously undiscovered bird species in the Philippines, they could name it after that and beat every other software product!
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Finally, a browser that can defeat reigning champs NCSA Mosaic, Arena, and Cello! *Anything* that breaks their monopoly-like dominance of the Web browser market will be welcomed!
I think the words your are looking for are
/. post came from the same person.
'coppied by a potentially unauthorized source'
Could be that the mozzine post and the
You should also note that if you remove the words 'better' and 'improved' is becomes a statement of fact, and so can't be copyrighted.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
What about Biggie? Life After Death? And it was a 2CD set!!!
It screws up the formatting here at /. The posts are left justified over the left navigation. 7.1 worked fine, which I am going to switch back to right now. To bad.
...features better popup blocking
How'd they do that? My Mozilla 1.7 blocks 100% of pop-ups. You can't get much better than that.
Good heavens Miss Sakamoto - you're beautiful!
Actually does anyone still the fucking care for Netscape ? At the end it's just Mozilla.
Opera's still the best browser out there, and well worth the money for the ad-free version.
Even the free, ad-supported verstion is preferable to anything else out there, including Mozilla.
Virtually all those cool features that you take for granted in Mozilla came from Opera, and Opera has a ton more yet still has a much smaller footprint. It's faster, richer, smaller and just plain better than the competition.
Frankly, if you haven't tried it recently then you're doing yourself a great disservice.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
However, it's VERY lightweight (11.5MB installer for Windows)
I just grabbed the full version (what NS calls the 'offline installer'):
The Win32 installation .exe weighs in at ~24MB
The Linux/686 installation tar.gz is ~16MB.
I want to drag this out as long as possible. Bring me my protractor.
And it doesn't help that the Mozilla project has changed the name of it's products several times now
Does this make sense:
And it doesn't help that the Mozilla project has changed the name of it is products several times now.
I thought not.
is why my university insists on still using NS 4.0 in all of its computers ... even the new ones!
"Opera has a ton more [cool features]" - which are those? Please elaborate.
http://stephan.sugarmotor.org
You can't be talking about Opera. It stinks compared to Mozilla. Opera has a needlessly vast header area that takes up too much screen real estate, and it has a poor record if being able to display web pages. I quickly deleted the thing after I found that it jumbled pages that MSIE and Mozilla could display just fine.
Also I've noticed English is the only language 7.2 is available for, will others be added?
better standards support, performance enhancements and several hundred other bug fixes. is AOL Microsoft?
is the right-wing propaganda and idiotic articles on their homepage (netscape.com)
http://stephan.sugarmotor.org
You're probably a web developer, which means Opera probably is best for you. But it wasn't even worth the Google ads for me. I'll hang onto Firefox for my customizable tabs and memory.
-Rob
Marriage doesn't have to suck!
all i have to say is "STFU Operaman. We're talking about mozilla. Your opinions mean nothing here."
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More propaganda spewed by FOX News fans with no basis in fact or study.
I have slowly prepairing a new computer for a co-worker here since she is running a 366mhz computer and has Windows ME... She wants Netscape installed because she can't stand IE... I grabbed the 7.2 setup file and installed it not even thinking that the last version I saw was 7.1... that is until I saw the artical here... Now I'm just sad I didn't catch that earlier.
/BAD GEEK!!! BAD!!!!
Most of the people who built Netscape, who were there from the old Mosaic days, left a long time ago, and many of them are fabulously wealthy. Neither Marc Andreessen nor Jim Clarke particularly need to work in the future to support themselves, and jwz took his money and is doing a semi-business/semi-hobby sort of thing by running the DNA Lounge nightclub in San Francisco (just to pick three examples).
And even to the people there at the end, AOL was quite helpful. First of all, they vastly overpaid for Netscape, since they were sold it on the basis partly that they could use it as an embedded browser for he AOL client, while technically Mozilla was always too bloated and un-modular to do that well (maybe just now it's starting to get to the point where that'd be possible, but it wasn't when they bought it, or even a year or two after they bought it). Once they realized it wasn't much use to them, they didn't even just say "well, fuck you guys": they transitioned it to a new Mozilla.org foundation, and became the single largest donor (by far) to that non-profit foundation, giving them all the equipment they had previously been using (webservers, test build machines, file servers, etc.) and $2m cash.
All in all I don't think AOL are really the evil ones here. You don't see any other major companies donating $2m cash to mozilla.org.
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a leader. sitting in front of my face, right now, is a stack of floppy discs that are the original netscape 2 install discs. that was a revolutionary app back then.
Is it 5:30 yet?
whats the point?
seriously? it's mozilla with other logos and a "backdoor" in the popup system to allow some AOL popups...
whats the point? why they don't embrace mozilla once and for all?
Why is there a political slant in the moderation here? Isn't that against the rules?
Despite the fact that there is study after study proving the bias at FOX News, there is no provable bias in the news that CNN presents.
"...a statement of fact, and so can't be copyrighted."
What rubbish! Are you saying that newscasts, newspaper and magazine articles, and any other publication with factual information can't be copyrighted? You need to go back to pretend law school, mate.
"Ask not what your country can do for you." --John F. Kennedy
Non, je ne veux pas coucher avec toi ce soir.
.sig discussions... but curiosity killed the cat...)
Very cool! How about this riff of the original verse:
Voulez-vous manger du cochon, ce soir?
The kids get a kick out of how romantically you can invite your date to a pork dinner.
(I considered posting as AC because there's nothing lamer than
Stressed? Me? Of course not. Stress is what a rubber band feels before it breaks, silly.
Is 7.2 xft-enabled? Netscape 7.1 was not, and its fonts look ugly compared to the xft-enabled Moz.
Ctrl-click in Mozilla. Shift-click saves link as, and opens in a new window in IE.
Mosaic 9.0 has been released. The browser that really changed the world. Thank you Mr. Andreason.
"Opera has a ton more [cool features]" - which are those? Please elaborate.
He must mean the $40 price tag Opera now has. (!)
I'd rather buy Doom 3, myself!
I must have multiple engines listed because I'm using my old Mozilla profile and plug-in information from home with Netscape 7.2 at work and thus I've all the configuration options brought over from home. The next poster suggested a good intermediate solution - short of prying open the Netscape config files and adding your own prefs.
Notes. Sessions. Mouse Gestures. Wand password manager. Complete control over pop-ups, Java, javascript, plug-ins, referrer logging, etc. Instantaneous back button. Etc, etc.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
So. What.
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vk.
i mean mozilla is made with free labor. netscape already has good name recognition, might as well use the free labor, change a few strings and release it as netscape. I see no reason why not to do this. It costs AOL almost nothing to do it, but if people still go to the netscape homepage at startup, it is free revenue. Its totally a win win situation.
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
... With netscape. This browser is either a lot faster then IE or it just gives you that feeling. I'm very pleased so far.
You mean this isn't the Netscape Toolbar for IE?
Phillip
Opera has customisable tabs. I very much doubt that Firefox approaches the level of customisation that you can get in Opera courtesy of Sessions, etc.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
Basicly You can only copyright 'Creative works'
From afan chillingeffects....
"Question: What about a fictional world and the events described in the world? Are they copyrightable? Can I use those in my story?
Answer: It seems unlikely that a FanFic work would include no previous characters but it is not impossible to imagine. Take Tolkien's "Middle-earth" world for example: this world has been taken without the main characters and has been used in role playing games (RPGs) and video games (see the TSR example below). For these cases, it is important to remember that copyright does not extend to ideas. Therefore, incidents, settings or other elements which are indispensable, or at least standard, in the treatment of a given topic are ideas and cannot be copyrighted. For example, the Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit has held that "elements such as drunks, prostitutes, vermin and derelict cars would appear in any realistic work about the work of policemen in the South Bronx." These "scenes a faire" are therefore unprotected. Likewise, the Seventh Circuit has held that mazes, tunnels and scoring tables are unprotected under the scenes a faire doctrine in video games like Duke Nukem. "
Maybe you should post some links tomake you point next time.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
Nothing earth shattering, but all of these make Opera better, IMO:
Mouse gestures that don't require use of the keyboard (WTF?).
Go to URL on the context menu.
The ability to size tabs and treat the browser as a MDI window.
The ability to reorder tabs.
The ability to create states (a set of tabs that open to particular pages).
The ability to start the browser with the last set of open tabs.
Multiple searchs engines from the context menu.
Is it possible to do all of this in Mozilla? I don't know. Maybe. But I didn't have to figure any of it out in Opera (except for the gestures).
I think he's probably refering to the rending and CSS support that nearly rival IE. /kidding ... Opera is a bit better, a bit.
The Anti-Blog
And it doesn't help that the Mozilla project has changed the name of it's products several times now.
No, they've changed the Project Name (ie: what it's called when they're making it), once realeased it'll simply be Mozilla Browser etc.
Reading material
Your hair look like poop, Bob! - Wanker.
Why there's the auto-troll option for one.
Weren't we JUST chastising MS for releasing software that required "Hundreds of bug fixes"?!?!?
Well, let the ridiculing begin! (I mean it!)
AOL supports IMAP now, so we can use whatever mail client we want to check it.
This move was in response to people dropping AOL because they had to use the lousy mail tools.
While I've never been thrilled with Opera's memory usage, I've found it to be close to Firfox (0.9.3). Are you using a special edition or something?
not that I use OS9... well, this one last machine at work, here is running 9.
Although IE is the best browser for 9, it is lacking some more modern features (tabbed browsing, etc).
oh well...
...spike
Ewwwwww, coconut...
It's not FOX. It's the facts. Fox News is centrist. Rush Limbaugh is right-wing. CBS, CNN, ABC, and NBC are left-wing.
I measure from the center. You appear to measure from the extreme left, from which everything is perceived as being right-wing.
You can't quote FAIR as any sort of authority on these matters. Their mission is nothing other than promotion of strongly left wing media and censorship of anything that isn't left wing. Yes, according to FAIR, Fox is right-wing, along with anything else that is not strongly left-wing.
A lot of big educational institutions still are using Netscape 4.7 (at least, in the UK). With big labs of computers it's a tough job to reconfigure everything to work with the latest browser and there is a risk of downtime (laziness wins I guess).
And let's face it, NS4.7 really isn't that bad a browser. Yes, I've cursed it more times than I'm comfortable remembering but that was primarily with getting aesthetics to look right. It's comparatively secure and just works on the majority of well designed pages.
How are sessions different from profiles?
Firefox has far more customizablility when it comes to layout, Try getting the bookmark bar under the address bar in Opera. In Firefox its a matter of drag and drop. Customizability in Opera is a bunch of confusing settings in two places in the menus.
But really that doesn't matter much to me. Most people (including myself) don't really mess with that much customization. I personally still use the default firefox setup (well I take that back I moved my Google search box). At any rate the three biggest problems with Opera I see:
1. It still doesn't render right. Lots of CSS bugs in Opera. As a web developer this is not acceptable.
2. The new interface has too much eye candy and takes up too much screen space. Its confusing, especially if you want people to switch from IE or another browser, they're going to get lost.
3. Incomplete ECMA script support, and very few work arounds. (BTW this is the same complaint I have about Konquerer). IE's Jscript sucks donkey balls but at least with some hacks I can still do some pretty advanced stuff. And Mozilla and Firefox have almost 100% compatibility with ECMA so I can look on the W3C's site as a reference.
The Anti-Blog
Right now Opera uses about 70MB of RAM with 6 tabs open. But the reason for such memory usage is that Opera uses memory as cache, which is why going back/forward is instant. You can change (or disable) this in preferences.
Ahh yes...nutscrape...that's so droll.
What a clever high school graduate you are.
Word extensions comes to mind.
Hey, it wasn't me who came up with that, it just happens to be what my technically inclined friends referred to it as.
SIGFAULT
One would hope the latter...
There is at least one nasty bug that got fixed between 1.7 and 1.7.2.
-- This
Mostly on-topic, fairly humorous and requires a bit of geek knowledge to understand it.
One of the best "first post"'s in a long time.
Cheers!
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I listen to Neal Boortz. Before you start booing, let me finish. He recently had a problem with his computer and spyware bringing it to it's knees.
He actually said that computer nerds can hold their calls with advice and "told-you-sos", he bought the computer into the shop where he purchased it (and hawks continuously on the air).
A couple of days later he was back on the air talking about what a great job they did cleaning off all the junk - and installing Firefox to keep it from happening again. He went on to talk about how great Firefox was, and that it was free, and why would anyone want to keep using IE, etc., etc.
AFAIR, he even included a link on his web pages to the Mozilla site.
Pretty good publicity from a famous talk show host, even if you don't like him...
Stupid sexy Flanders.
I wanna know if it supports CSS properly yet. If so, count me in.
Back on the pile, men!
The House Between - Original Sci-Fi Series
I keep several browsers current for reference but I don't believe I'll be installing this one -- the Mac OS X version has (a) a default app icon instead of a custom one, and (b) a "ReadMeFirst.txt" file which is all-binary, not text. If it isn't something evil in disguise, it's too incompetent to trust.
Where is the build for Mac OS? (8.x-9.x)
...they want their OS back.
I like Netscape more than the others, I for one am very glad that we have this new release. Sure it might just be Mozilla 1.7 rebranded with some of netscapes proprietary extensions but a lot of people in the business world still use it a lot.
If all this should have a reason, we would be the last to know.
I believe someone was proposing a law that would guarantee that it would be legal for people to make backups of DVDs. The MPAA guy (Valenti?) said such a law would be inappropriate "because no one ever said people have a right to back up DVDs". That reasoning, I believe, is a good example of "begging the question".
I'm impressed. At least they released it right after the Doom 3 hype has receded.
It is possible to do all of that in Firefox and then some... I simply prefer Firefox to Opera. I've used both. I last tried Opera a few months back.
Scott
©20014 angrykeyboarder & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved
"How about when CNN spent hours and hour sucking up to the dead right-wing "God", Ronald Reagan?"
They would have done the same if a left-wing president had died. This one goes beyond ideology.
"were incessantly harping on the Monica Lewinsky scandal"
Hard to ignore and push under the rug when the President commits actual crimes. Even the Washington Post did not ignore this one.
Way back when I started using (and working on) the web in '97, NS 4.x WAS a good browser... perhaps it still might have a few merits; support for web standards (e.g., CSS) isn't one of them.
.org in washington dc just migrated our office staff from NS4 only a few months ago... and we're a relatively well-funded NGO. No argument that, almost a decade after its release, NS 4 is, as they say, rather long in the tooth.
And yes, what the other person said regarding understaffing/funding of educational computer labs is quite relevant too. It's not just schools -- my
Go Mozilla!
I just checked. The parent is the only post that complains about the vCard. Other mention it, but this is the first to complain about it. How is that "redundant"?
If all this should have a reason, we would be the last to know.
... a picture of the AOL guy beating a dead horse?
As an experienced web developer i get tired of this opera fans all over.
Ok, its a good browser. Its neat and all that.
BUT ITS NO ZILLA.
I mean. Is that thing XUL compatible? And what im really heading for here is: the web (as in html) is dead, long live the web (as in xaml/xul).
The only decent, multiplatform web browser/platform that will survive the advent of long horn will be mozilla.
So shut up about footprint, opera does not sport a hugely compatible XML suite, it doesnt sport decent, fully compliant, object oriented friendly ECMAScript, it will not sport (for the short term) and built-in svg engine (latest zilla's do).
So thats where the size comes from. Mozilla is a remote application delivery and execution platform. Its secure, ready, stable and very fast at what it does.
Granted, this is all obscurish for joe user, but this guy also needs email (zillas got it), with spam protection (zillas got it), with a good activedirectory compatible addressbook (zillas got it), with good support for HTML WYSIWYG editors out there (zillas got it). And throw in the geek bonus of AOL IM and/or IRC (pretty shabby, but zilla's got it) and somehow that footprint doesnt seem that big now does it?
If all you need is web browsing well ok, use the damned opera. But maybe then youll also wanna check out the lower memory gecko based thingies out there. Epiphany is the fastest little piece of software in unix (worth skwat, which takes out konqueror really).
So use your damned opera, just dont come crying to me when microsoft takes over the web with xaml and you have nowhere else to run but windows baby.
NO SIG
So, all the things I love about Opera, can be done in Firefox, if I spend the time finding a plugin to do it? That's not what I'm looking for, but I will admit I'm envious of the BugMeNot plugin.
Like you, I just have my preference, and Opera is it. Firefox is my backup, on the 2 sites I use that are not Opera friendly.
But still, I ask you: how can you defend mouse shortcuts that require the use of the keyboard?
I posted this comment about a year ago here on
What changed? Mozilla Firebird is now called Mozilla Firefox and MF releases on Win32 come now with an installer.
Things have improved, but the Mozilla.org apps are still not userfrienly as they could.
When the Mozilla Foundation was created, they shifted focus towards endusers. That's great. Mozilla does no longer just create a plattform and others (--> Netscape) should do the rest. Now they create both: A plattform and enduser apps.
The thing that I don't understand is:
Why didn't AOL make an Netscape release based on Firefox and Thunderbird?
The 1.0 releases of MF and MT are expected in September. Both Sunbird (calendar) and NVU (''unofficial'' composer) make good progress, too.
AOL could bring these separated apps together in a package that is better than ever.
i'm using netscape 7.2 as my default browser from now on because:
1) the text rendering is far superior to anything on safari at the present time
2) it allows me to easily use css ad blocking (unlike opera)
3) it has a built-in single page mode, unlike mozilla, which (as of the latest nightlies) don't play nice with tabbrowser or single-page extensions on os x.
the only feature i'm even remotely missing now is full screen browsing a la ie or safari + saft.
" So use your damned opera, just dont come crying to me when microsoft takes over the web with xaml and you have nowhere else to run but windows baby. "
.......... ?
How do you dare to post such stupidity ?
Who said I defend mouse shortcuts? I could care less about all the fancy stuff you can do with a mouse in Opera (or Firefox with the right extensions). I prefer to use the mouse as little as possible, actually.
Scott
©20014 angrykeyboarder & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved
Your comment seems excessively ignorant and paranoid to me. Microsoft had their chance to go beserk and turn the web into a proprietary .NET XML-fest when Netscape fell over and died, and all they've done in the five years or so past is just continued to promote lazy HTML design.. not created any new formats. If anything, we should be worried about the damn W3C providing the stupid, bloated idea of XHTML for Mozilla fanboys to masturbate over.
.. Did you just imply that XUL has a point, by the way? Christ, stop worshipping the buzzwords.
Opera's been around a lot longer than Mozilla, and it won't just suddenly disappear because Mozilla had the foresight to make up pointless XML technologies that most users do their best to circumvent with Firefox, etc.
P.S. Opera has IRC, Mail, Contacts, Newsgroups and previously ditched ICQ support for its uselessness. Sure, Mozilla has a mediocre HTML editor that Opera doesn't, but Opera is doing their best to try and think of innovative ideas for Mail, IRC, etc and while I prefer to use Outlook for PIM functions, I would argue Opera is more usable in many of the additional functions despite lacking support for something rarely used by an end-user anyway.
Even bigger than you think... see my sig...
it is only after a long journey that you know the strength of the horse.
Funny, I just wanted to complain that Firefox tabs are not customizeable enough, even with plugins. Say, in Opera, I can drag'n'drop them around, changing the sequence; say, I always keep all Slashdot articles opened on the left side of the tabbar, if I open anything else, I drag it to the right. Can Firefox do that?
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=118268&cid=999 2557
Netscape was the next step, and was great (until they passed the 4.7 version, then shot to hell).
Opera was good, better than Netscape,... but still not quite up to par.
Mozilla Firefox just plain RULES!
Internet Explorer should be nuked and destroyed.
...and wants its web browser back.
These posts express my own personal views, not those of my employer
Try the latest Mozilla Firefox
Go to URL on the context menu.
What does that mean? In the linux version just highlight a bit of text and middle-click on the page somewhere and it will open it as a url.
The ability to create states (a set of tabs that open to particular pages).
You can bookmark groups of tabs in Mozilla and Mozilla Firefox. This is the same thing.
Multiple searchs engines from the context menu.
This is no closer than the searchbar in the upper-right with Mozilla Firefox.
"[We'll be] really getting inside your head and making it an unpleasant place to be" -- Trent Reznor
... My parents.. they recognise Netscape, dont give a damn that in its past it was seen as slow... they trust it and know about it.
:)
on their computer, they listen to audio streams, and Netscape requires none of the fiddling you need to do to Firefox.
Which comes to another point.. i have also installed firefox on their computer, though they dont use it., but at leat you CAN install both
to paraphrase, "to them, the internet IS Netscape."
Ok, i need to download 7.2 and install it for them.
Have a nice day!
> How are sessions different from profiles?
By "session", OP means that when you quit then restart the browser, the same pages/tabs/windows that were open on close open again. Firefox only does this if you install extensions that aren't even yet available on "update.mozilla.org".
> Firefox has far more customizablility when it comes to layout, Try getting the bookmark bar under the
> address bar in Opera.
Er. My "Personal Bar" (as it is called in Opera) *is* under my address bar. I have both situated at the bottom of my browser window, with the status bar at the bottom, the personal bar above it, and the address bar above that. My page bar (that's the "tab bar" in mozspeak) is running down the right edge of the window.
Now for putting the address bar above the personal bar, but at the *top* of the window. Hmmm. You're sort of right. The address bar refuses to move above the personal bar. All is not lost, though. The "Main Bar" lives above the personal bar at the top of the window, and all you'd really need to do is drag the address field widget from the address bar to the main bar.
Opera is insanely customizable, to a level that makes Firefox blush. I can't even set my Firefox navigation buttons to be full size while having buttons on another bar being small size, and that's a major annoyance! I do like the ability to put random widgets onto the menu bar in Firefox, though.
> In Firefox its a matter of drag and drop. Customizability in Opera is a bunch of
> confusing settings in two places in the menus.
In Opera, it's right click on thing you want to move or modify.
Your other points are probably more valid. I know little about its rendering ability, save for that I almost never have problems (as a little jab, I should note that Opera doesn't have, for instance, Mozilla's slashdot bug).
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"More important than the fact that the VP was committing fraud on a massive scale when he ran a company that is making billions off of this war by not feeding our fucking soldiers properly?"
This is a perfect example of how you are making up stuff since there are no actual crimes to mention. Cheney QUIT Halliburton long before it went into Iraq.
"People like you are so far out of touch with reality it's insane"
Compared to the tiny lunatic fringe you are in, I guess everyone is insane. Hey Wonko, what is it like living "outside the asylum"?
"Explain to me again how a blowjob is more important than a war that has killed a lot of people which we now know for a fact was started on false pretenses?"
A double lie in your message. It was not "a blowjob". It was that Clinton sexually harassed one of his employees (he even admitted it eventually) and he committed numerous felonies trying to rig the court case.
As for your 2nd lie, the retaliation against Saddam Hussein was started for 100% true reasons, not "pretenses".
"Fox news themselves have admitted many times that they are totally slanted in favor of the Bush administration"
Grammar nazi time: Fox News HAS, not have. I doubt they have done what you claim (you have lied about other things before). It would not make sense, since they lack such a bias.
"If there were any centrist news organizations..."
There are a few centrist news organizations. Fox, C-SPAN, and AP are among them.
"then Bush would have been hounded out of office for [not being a left-wing extremist] long ago."
Since Bush's only crime is not being a left-wing extremist, I corrected your wording.
"The crimes Happened while he was running Halliburton as I said, dipshit."
Try an actual news source sometime, not a wing-nut opinion site. Next...
"Right, like the WMDs, the nukes, the 45 minutes to blow us up, the al Queda ties.
What a sorry deluded person you are."
No WMDs? Then what did he use against the Kurds? Oh. I get it. He didn't use WMDs. He sprayed Cheez-Whiz in their faces. Nukes? There were not supposed to be any. But Saddam was a major terrorist leader who was attempting to make them. Yet. Thankfully, his nuclear war program is now nipped in the bud. Al Quada ties? Well documented everywhere.
You also overlook, like many, that in the few years leading up to 2003, Saddam ordered more than 2,000 attacks against peacekeepers patrolling the no-fly zones in accorance with the cease fire. Stopping this aggression is quite just.
"Do you really not see that fucking our intelligence gathering capabilities is bad?"
Ask John Kerry about this one. He is the one who has voted repeatedly to gut intellegence-gathering, and to rarely ever bless his own intelligence committee with his presense.
"Right, you probably think that it's a centrist viewpoint that dirty pictures"
Who mentioned dirty pictures?
"If you actually believe this shit that has been proven absolutely to be false"
No. I only believe what is true. Unlike you, I don't give in to lies screamed by wing-nuts.
"self-evident that all people are created equal, that believing people should take responsibility for their actions, and that criminal organizations should be punished are way left fringe ideas."
Created equal? The mainstream Left is quite racist (look at affirmative action!), so this is not a left-wing idea. People should take responsibility for their actions? Not a hallmark of the Left, nor is punishment for criminal organizations. Yes, there are racists on the Right, but only in the fringes. Only the Left dares to push to the mainstream the idea that people should be punished for their race.
"What sort of hell would your ideal world be?"
One where people are punished for actual crimes (rather than being punished for working and earning too much: left-wing economics). One where the Boy Scouts is not a criminal organization to be persecuted (they are a big target of the Left), and one where no law punishes people for being of the wrong skin color or sex (bye-bye all Jim Crow and Affirmative Action).
"The crimes Happened while he was running Halliburton as I said, dipshit."
Try an actual news source sometime, not a wing-nut opinion site. Next...
It's an ongoing criminal matter dipshit. The source is irrelevant when it's a matter of public record.
No WMDs? Then what did he use against the Kurds? Oh. I get it. He didn't use WMDs. He sprayed Cheez-Whiz in their faces.
He used US supplied gas for this. It was well over a decade ago. We're talking about the present. Where are they? That's right, nowhere.
Nukes? There were not supposed to be any. But Saddam was a major terrorist leader who was attempting to make them. Yet. Thankfully, his nuclear war program is now nipped in the bud.
Bullshit.
Had you been paying attention you would know that the evidence for this was falsified. This information coming to light is what caused Bush to treasonously out a CIA operative. Typical neocon technique, ignore ugly facts and attack a straw man like:
Ask John Kerry about this one. He is the one who has voted repeatedly to gut intellegence-gathering, and to rarely ever bless his own intelligence committee with his presense.
First off, it's a lie.
Second it's irrelevant to actual treason commited by the Bush administration.
"Right, you probably think that it's a centrist viewpoint that dirty pictures"
Who mentioned dirty pictures?
John ashcroft did when he made it his number one priority dropping terrorism to number 8 I believe.
Had they not gutted the terrorism investigations, in order to go after dirty pictures, we probably would have caught those bastards.
No. I only believe what is true. Unlike you, I don't give in to lies screamed by wing-nuts.
Oh good lord, the ever present Orwellisms of the neocons.
WMDs, nuke programs, al Queda ties only exist in the screamings of wing nuts. Not in the real world. So you've made absolutely clear that that is exactly what you believe.
The rest of your deluded rant has nothing to do with me or my beliefs, so I'll assume you're just repeating more screaming wingnut lies that you neither understand, nor know how to put into a proper context.
Seriously, that bullshit Orwellian doublethink crap only works on idiots, so save it.
"It's an ongoing criminal matter dipshit."
Show me the arrest records, or other documentation of prosecution or investigation.
"He used US supplied gas for this. It was well over a decade ago. We're talking about the present. Where are they? That's right, nowhere."
He had them. He refused to document that they were gone. In fact, he blocked inspections up until the very day the US stepped up retaliation. Wonder what he was hiding then....
"Had you been paying attention you would know that the evidence for this was falsified"
It wasn't. Saddam made no secrets of his nuclear war plans. Next....
"Typical neocon technique"
No, I face the facts. Unlike you, I don't make stuff up.
"First off, it's a lie.
Second it's irrelevant to actual treason commited by the Bush administration"
Check Kerry's voting record and get back with us. Also his attendance on the intelligence committee. Kerry missed most of the public hearings when he sat on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence between 1993 and 2000. He should have resigned the senate to do this campaign. Dole had the decency to. No wonder Kerry is running like an Olympic sprinter from his Senate record.
Actual treason? Really? Where are the court records? The prosecution? You don't have any. Instead, you have angry opinions from sore losers. If you want to talk actual treason, how about Kerry working for an actual Soviet organization, the "Vietnam Veterans Against the War"?
"WMDs, nuke programs, al Queda ties only exist in the screamings of wing nuts"
Direct Al Quada ties are documented in all of the big important investigation results that have come out so far this year. You even admitted earlier he had the WMDs.
I'm not the screaming wingnut here. Nothing but facts.
"Seriously, that bullshit Orwellian doublethink crap only works on idiots, so save it."
I guess the country is full of Orwellians and elusive "neocons" then. A vast majority, in fact, as only a small uninformed minority believes as you do.
"Had they not gutted the terrorism investigations, in order to go after dirty pictures, we probably would have caught those bastards."
How about when Clinton was actually offered bin Laden by the Sudanese government, but refused him? We know what his priorities were. He had to "get busy" in the Oval Office. No pictures were taken, however, but Linda Tripp revealed what Clinton thought the most important part of the presidency was.
Here's yet another fact. Which was one of only two major TV networks to give Michael Moore his own? TV show?
Not only that, they renewed it into a second season, despite terrible ratings? This in a time when new TV shows that show little promise are sometimes pulled after two episodes?
It was the Fox network (after NBC). If the wingnuts who rant "Fox is right wing!" were anywhere near the truth, you'd have Rush Limbaugh's show on instead.
Long live Fox and Fox News. Long live "The Simpsons" and balanced reporting.
Branding Firefox 1.0 will be called simply "Mozilla Firefox"... or "Firefox" for short. Version details will be displayed in the About box.
So the product name is Mozilla Firefox.