But scientists *do* say these things for a number of reasons, economical (grants, tenure), personal, or whatever. Further up in this thread someone gave the great example of the wildly changing child-rearing advice that has been given, by scientists, over the last 100 years, each time presented as "the truth".
Fair enough, though I fail how this is a question of opinion. It's a simple fact that different cultures have different views of things. It's like saying you don't accept relativism if the Chinese like to eat other things than you do.
I didn't mean to lump you into the "nut" group, sorry. I'm reading the whole discussion and overall it's just been annoyingly full of people who basically claim that missing evidence of danger equals proof of no danger, and that they don't need to care about food production because they are not farmers.
No, sorry, the "good rep" was not so much directed at your post, it's just all over this thread. And it's really very easy to find evidence that the vitamin A rice is a scam.
While in practice it may end up just as "they have zero respect for software licenses", I do think it is more fair to accept that their culture has a completely different concept of ownership and thus copyright. It's not as if "our" views of these matters are god-given and the only possible and correct ones.
First point: You really believe that? You don't eat at all? You don't live in the same world as farmers? "I am not a programmer, so the laws on software patents don't affect me at all. Zero." What utter crap. You must be fourteen and on a Matrix trip or something.
Second point. Maybe my choice of words was bad, I didn't want to write a novel. Anyway, you just used it to evade the discussion. Poor form.
For the record, I for one am scared even by what Mosanto apparently believes to be reassuring spin.
I don't trust supposed scientists who cannot differentiate between genetically-modified and nano food. Also, I don't think I can count the number of catastrophes (even in the ca. 30 years I can overlook) that have followed declarations of scientists that all is safe.
Science is great as long as it follows its own method, but far too often scientists (and worse, their teenage fans on slashdot) are not very distinguishable from religious nuts.
Yeah, right. You may actually want to google about the so-called "Golden Rice". And yet again in this story, it's just great if on a forum that, if I may simplify, largely opposes software patents and EULAs, Monsanto has a good rep. I mean, gosh, Monsanto patents nature and their "EULAs" force their customers to stay Monsanto customers forever. Citations are fucking everywhere, so I won't provide any.
Dude, get off your high horse. We don't know squat shit about our bodies, in the great scheme of things. We don't *really* know why we are alive, or what life is for that matter. So maybe, just maybe, we should be a bit cautious there.
Maybe stop limiting yourself to looking at the poisonous or allergenic properties of food. It's a bit more complicated than that. And beyond the food as such there is a huge issue of patents and all other kinds of property issues. I really dislike it if people oppose software patents and EULAs that try to enslave you (I don't know if you do, but this is slashdot) and close their eyes before what Monsanto et al. are doing, which is much, much worse.
P.S. How do you do a strike on Slashdot? s,slash-s didn't work, neither did strike...
You are doing it wrong: You need to convince others to join you in not posting for a given time (usually until your demands are met) and it helps if you can put some pressure on any traitors in your company and/or threaten violence to traitorous outsiders.
Wow, do I really have to take you by the hand? So in the most recent version (http://www.eff.org/files/20100127_iphone_dev_agr.pdf, linked after "UPDATE") it's 7.3, not 7.2, and it reads:
7.3 No Other Distribution Authorized Under this Agreement Except for the distribution of freely available Licensed Applications and the distribution of Applications for use on Registered Devices as set forth in Sections 7.1 and 7.2 above, no other distribution of programs or applications developed using the Apple Software is authorized or permitted hereunder. In the absence of a separate agreement with Apple, You agree not to distribute Your Application to third parties via other distribution methods or to enable or permit others to do so.
Where in this article does it mention anything about stopping oil leaks? Following the link to Nuclear Explosions for the National Economy. from the paragraph you linked, we find that this program conducted 115 explosions, among then "5 explosions for extinguishing large natural gas fountains", but none about oil wells, and none about underwater wells.
However, the program caused a number of problems, of course. So don't act as if the suggestion to close the gulf hole with a nuke had any relevant precedents or was in any way a well understood approach. It may come to it that this is the only option left, who knows, but keep in mind that if it opens the bubble and releases the oil instead, it will result in a global extinction event, which would be kind of serious.
It would be nice if we would look after one another out of love and mutual respect for each other, rather than trying force compassion with unfeeling systems and laws. I know I'm dreaming.
Well, we don't. That's why rational states nowadays have public healthcare.
Playing with it in Debian, I find gnome-shell to have extremely poor performance. The dependencies (mesa) suggest to me that it may require compositing. What about the computers that aren't capable of compositing?
As usual, don't believe the/. blurb, it looks very much like Gnome 3 won't be the default in 10.10
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But scientists *do* say these things for a number of reasons, economical (grants, tenure), personal, or whatever. Further up in this thread someone gave the great example of the wildly changing child-rearing advice that has been given, by scientists, over the last 100 years, each time presented as "the truth".
+1, thanks.
As long as it follows its own method, an approach that is often neglected.
Fair enough, though I fail how this is a question of opinion. It's a simple fact that different cultures have different views of things. It's like saying you don't accept relativism if the Chinese like to eat other things than you do.
Well, good luck with that.
I didn't mean to lump you into the "nut" group, sorry. I'm reading the whole discussion and overall it's just been annoyingly full of people who basically claim that missing evidence of danger equals proof of no danger, and that they don't need to care about food production because they are not farmers.
No, sorry, the "good rep" was not so much directed at your post, it's just all over this thread. And it's really very easy to find evidence that the vitamin A rice is a scam.
While in practice it may end up just as "they have zero respect for software licenses", I do think it is more fair to accept that their culture has a completely different concept of ownership and thus copyright. It's not as if "our" views of these matters are god-given and the only possible and correct ones.
First point: You really believe that? You don't eat at all? You don't live in the same world as farmers? "I am not a programmer, so the laws on software patents don't affect me at all. Zero." What utter crap. You must be fourteen and on a Matrix trip or something.
Second point. Maybe my choice of words was bad, I didn't want to write a novel. Anyway, you just used it to evade the discussion. Poor form.
For the record, I for one am scared even by what Mosanto apparently believes to be reassuring spin.
I don't trust supposed scientists who cannot differentiate between genetically-modified and nano food.
Also, I don't think I can count the number of catastrophes (even in the ca. 30 years I can overlook) that have followed declarations of scientists that all is safe.
Science is great as long as it follows its own method, but far too often scientists (and worse, their teenage fans on slashdot) are not very distinguishable from religious nuts.
Yeah, right. You may actually want to google about the so-called "Golden Rice". And yet again in this story, it's just great if on a forum that, if I may simplify, largely opposes software patents and EULAs, Monsanto has a good rep. I mean, gosh, Monsanto patents nature and their "EULAs" force their customers to stay Monsanto customers forever. Citations are fucking everywhere, so I won't provide any.
Dude, get off your high horse. We don't know squat shit about our bodies, in the great scheme of things. We don't *really* know why we are alive, or what life is for that matter. So maybe, just maybe, we should be a bit cautious there.
Maybe stop limiting yourself to looking at the poisonous or allergenic properties of food. It's a bit more complicated than that. And beyond the food as such there is a huge issue of patents and all other kinds of property issues. I really dislike it if people oppose software patents and EULAs that try to enslave you (I don't know if you do, but this is slashdot) and close their eyes before what Monsanto et al. are doing, which is much, much worse.
P.S. How do you do a strike on Slashdot? s,slash-s didn't work, neither did strike...
You are doing it wrong: You need to convince others to join you in not posting for a given time (usually until your demands are met) and it helps if you can put some pressure on any traitors in your company and/or threaten violence to traitorous outsiders.
Wow, do I really have to take you by the hand? So in the most recent version (http://www.eff.org/files/20100127_iphone_dev_agr.pdf, linked after "UPDATE") it's 7.3, not 7.2, and it reads:
O RLY?
What's preventing the developers from posting source on their web site like the other GPL apps on the app store?
Apple's restrictive licensing terms. Link stolen from TF blurb.
Ok, and thanks :)
Where in this article does it mention anything about stopping oil leaks? Following the link to Nuclear Explosions for the National Economy. from the paragraph you linked, we find that this program conducted 115 explosions, among then "5 explosions for extinguishing large natural gas fountains", but none about oil wells, and none about underwater wells.
However, the program caused a number of problems, of course. So don't act as if the suggestion to close the gulf hole with a nuke had any relevant precedents or was in any way a well understood approach. It may come to it that this is the only option left, who knows, but keep in mind that if it opens the bubble and releases the oil instead, it will result in a global extinction event, which would be kind of serious.
USSR has done this, they exploded bombs to stop leaks like that,.
Do you have another source for that than the recent article in Pravda? Because Pravda simply does not count.
This was a Pravda article. Pravda makes the National Enquirer look like a quality paper.
It may be possible to check it, but you are posting in a thread that exists because it failed.
I did, and what I read annoyed me.
Well, we don't. That's why rational states nowadays have public healthcare.
Great post. I struggle to imagine how the other guy, causality (!), manages to ignore this. It's the reason for why the concept of insurance exists.
Playing with it in Debian, I find gnome-shell to have extremely poor performance. The dependencies (mesa) suggest to me that it may require compositing. What about the computers that aren't capable of compositing?
As usual, don't believe the /. blurb, it looks very much like Gnome 3 won't be the default in 10.10