What exactly do you want? They got a warrant. Isn't that kind of oversight what we want?
Just saying that reducing things to formalities is not enough. Warrants, judges, etc., are all only worth something if the state they represent remains constitutional. In a bureaucratic tyranny like, e.g., Nazism, all those formalities are worth nothing. And yes, they had warrants (though surely not always.)
Then any deviation from that pattern is flagged and investigated.
Sounds like this can only work in a company made up of drones. How do you implement this in a company that it is worth working for, that keeps an open information policy and treats the employees like sensible adults?
Why is Knuckles searching the HR server? Well, it interests me and they seem to have allowed me access. Why is Knuckles logged into Bob's machine in HR? Bob's colleague called me up with a computer question and I walked over to help. Why is Knuckles logging in at 1 am? I had a brilliant idea and couldn't sleep.
Hm, you might have noticed that Digg corrected the story. Slashdot is just into flamebait for page hits. Unfortunately it has still the best discussions. OSNews is so not a FLOSS site. And how you ended up mixing Groklaw into it, I don't know.
Um, he said "step forward", not "great step forward". And why would it refer to China? China's post-revolutionary phase has nothing whatsoever to do with Nazi Germany.
Yeah, but I don't think he'd have said "a fine choice" if he actually thought GPLv3 is evil, which was, to me at least, insinuated by saying he "does not accept" it? And the simple fact alone that he is fine with GPLv2 also does not automatically pass judgment on GPLv3. Plus we have his direct quotes that he is pretty ok with how it turned out (even though it is not for him).
Anyway, this is the guy who accepted an insane proprietary license for the kernel source versioning system. And I read a Linus quote or posting somewhere* from the time when he considered switching from LINUX Copyright to another license, where he said that he would not be too happy if others profiteered from his work monetarily -- to promptly choose GPLv2. He is not a license expert in my book.
*comp.os.minix? an O'Reilly book? Linus's "autobiography", Just for Fun? Sorry, I searched for quite a while but, for the life of me cannot find it
Yeah, you are right with the dates, I was busy at work and therefore sloppy with checking my links. Nevertheless, Linus did say in this email that "the GPLv3 is a fine choice", which is not what InformationWeek made out of it.
When you have one of the most influential people in Open Source refuse to accept the license
In case you mean this recent/. story: it was utterly wrong and a FUD attempt by InformationWeek. They basically repeated a months-old quote by Linus about an earlier draft as if it was new and still relevant.
You don't think Stalin's gulags and deportation camps were just that?
Show me a Soviet gas chamber. Plus, regarding the singularity of the Holocaust, you are arguing against probably >> 90% of (as least European) historians, and your arguments are not new.
You are arguing what I pointed out as absurd, earlier
No I don't. I am arguing that Nazi Germany was the point where enlightenment horribly turned on itself. Prior to 1933, Germany was what was regarded as a modern nation, albeit with its problems. In the 20ies, prior to the world economic crisis, it was _very modern and liberal. _This is what is worse about it. The fact that atrocities occurred in some nation that had been stuck in that 17th century for too long (czarist Russia) and that was full of illiterate peasants, lead by a brutal peasant (Stalin), is not all that surprising. Plus (see my gas chamber remark) they had no industrial extermination.
1. Hitler started WWII 2. It i not about the number of victims, or the existence of camps. The reason why any respectable historian (at least in Europe, dunno about the US) considers the Holocaust as a singular event is that the Nazis were the only terror regime that built factories solely for the extinguishing of certain people. It represents the point in history where the promises of enlightenment were shattered.
In 1996, I started a new job, and part of the training phase was a meeting + discussion between all new recruits (many, because the corporation started to expand into new business territory) and some MS representative. Unfortunately, I had read a few days prior in the April issue of a computer magazine, and happened upon an article detailing how Win 98 would deliver targeted ads by means of a rotating taskbar. I made myself the idiot of the event by confronting the MS guy about this, and he smugly (which was ok, in hindsight) explained that this had been an April's fool joke.
I guess it's not always that he who laughs last, laughs best.
Excuse me if I don't reread everything, it was enough to read it all the first time;) But the article I linked to refers to a demo by Tridgell of how to interoperate with BK using telnet.
At the time there was also a lively discussion about whether Tridgell was bound by the license agreement at all, and no real conclusion was arrived at, IIRC. I think Tridgell himself denied that he ever accepted the license or that he was bound in any way by the fact that he was employed by the same organization that had accepted it.
Which would that be? I'm not talking about a tiny script, but applications that someone like IBM would now allow because they develop competitor products. I'm not saying they don't exist, I honestly can't think of any and would be interested in an answer.
Well, the person obviously actively went to an event that featured RMS to discuss with him and write an article. I believe he had a clue about who RMS was.
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You haven't understand Godwin's law. Read up on it. Plus, /. has no killfile.
What exactly do you want? They got a warrant. Isn't that kind of oversight what we want?
Just saying that reducing things to formalities is not enough. Warrants, judges, etc., are all only worth something if the state they represent remains constitutional. In a bureaucratic tyranny like, e.g., Nazism, all those formalities are worth nothing. And yes, they had warrants (though surely not always.)
The Gestapo had warrants too ...
Then any deviation from that pattern is flagged and investigated.
Sounds like this can only work in a company made up of drones. How do you implement this in a company that it is worth working for, that keeps an open information policy and treats the employees like sensible adults?
Why is Knuckles searching the HR server? Well, it interests me and they seem to have allowed me access.
Why is Knuckles logged into Bob's machine in HR? Bob's colleague called me up with a computer question and I walked over to help.
Why is Knuckles logging in at 1 am? I had a brilliant idea and couldn't sleep.
Hm, you might have noticed that Digg corrected the story. Slashdot is just into flamebait for page hits. Unfortunately it has still the best discussions. OSNews is so not a FLOSS site. And how you ended up mixing Groklaw into it, I don't know.
Um, he said "step forward", not "great step forward". And why would it refer to China? China's post-revolutionary phase has nothing whatsoever to do with Nazi Germany.
Yeah, but I don't think he'd have said "a fine choice" if he actually thought GPLv3 is evil, which was, to me at least, insinuated by saying he "does not accept" it? And the simple fact alone that he is fine with GPLv2 also does not automatically pass judgment on GPLv3. Plus we have his direct quotes that he is pretty ok with how it turned out (even though it is not for him).
Anyway, this is the guy who accepted an insane proprietary license for the kernel source versioning system. And I read a Linus quote or posting somewhere* from the time when he considered switching from LINUX Copyright to another license, where he said that he would not be too happy if others profiteered from his work monetarily -- to promptly choose GPLv2. He is not a license expert in my book.
*comp.os.minix? an O'Reilly book? Linus's "autobiography", Just for Fun? Sorry, I searched for quite a while but, for the life of me cannot find it
Yeah, you are right with the dates, I was busy at work and therefore sloppy with checking my links. Nevertheless, Linus did say in this email that "the GPLv3 is a fine choice", which is not what InformationWeek made out of it.
When you have one of the most influential people in Open Source refuse to accept the license
/. story: it was utterly wrong and a FUD attempt by InformationWeek. They basically repeated a months-old quote by Linus about an earlier draft as if it was new and still relevant.
In case you mean this recent
Linus is in fact pretty ok with how GPLv3 turned out.
you are still at 50:1 even on a bad day.
And then the internal combustion engines we use still have an efficiency of 20%. Pathetic, if you think about it.
You don't think Stalin's gulags and deportation camps were just that?
Show me a Soviet gas chamber. Plus, regarding the singularity of the Holocaust, you are arguing against probably >> 90% of (as least European) historians, and your arguments are not new.
You are arguing what I pointed out as absurd, earlier
No I don't. I am arguing that Nazi Germany was the point where enlightenment horribly turned on itself. Prior to 1933, Germany was what was regarded as a modern nation, albeit with its problems. In the 20ies, prior to the world economic crisis, it was _very modern and liberal. _This is what is worse about it. The fact that atrocities occurred in some nation that had been stuck in that 17th century for too long (czarist Russia) and that was full of illiterate peasants, lead by a brutal peasant (Stalin), is not all that surprising. Plus (see my gas chamber remark) they had no industrial extermination.
1. Hitler started WWII
2. It i not about the number of victims, or the existence of camps. The reason why any respectable historian (at least in Europe, dunno about the US) considers the Holocaust as a singular event is that the Nazis were the only terror regime that built factories solely for the extinguishing of certain people. It represents the point in history where the promises of enlightenment were shattered.
Oh I see! I am not used to so much subtlety and historical knowledge on /. :) Thanks for pointing it out.
No, see, the school system wants you to think Nazi Germany is worse.
Yeah, the well-known insurmountable power of communism over Western school systems. I'm pissing my pants.
Thinking that Nazi Germany is better than the Soviet Union? Yay for the school system on your country.
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In 1996, I started a new job, and part of the training phase was a meeting + discussion between all new recruits (many, because the corporation started to expand into new business territory) and some MS representative. Unfortunately, I had read a few days prior in the April issue of a computer magazine, and happened upon an article detailing how Win 98 would deliver targeted ads by means of a rotating taskbar. I made myself the idiot of the event by confronting the MS guy about this, and he smugly (which was ok, in hindsight) explained that this had been an April's fool joke.
I guess it's not always that he who laughs last, laughs best.
Music makes a lot more money
Some mainstream music does. This or this does not.
And there is no way in Windows to prevent such a specific application from running?
where if you use the software or interact with it you are supposed to comply with the terms of the licence
I don't think this is the case, unless I agreed to the license. How am I supposed to comply with a license whose terms I have never read nor accepted?
Excuse me if I don't reread everything, it was enough to read it all the first time ;) But the article I linked to refers to a demo by Tridgell of how to interoperate with BK using telnet.
At the time there was also a lively discussion about whether Tridgell was bound by the license agreement at all, and no real conclusion was arrived at, IIRC. I think Tridgell himself denied that he ever accepted the license or that he was bound in any way by the fact that he was employed by the same organization that had accepted it.
Which would that be? I'm not talking about a tiny script, but applications that someone like IBM would now allow because they develop competitor products. I'm not saying they don't exist, I honestly can't think of any and would be interested in an answer.
Well, the person obviously actively went to an event that featured RMS to discuss with him and write an article. I believe he had a clue about who RMS was.
Thoggen and Acidrip are much easier than DVDrip.